On 3/27/2016 4:53 PM, Pete wrote:

at the bottom I just have one blank line.
The equals equals equals and so on is realy
equals dash equals dash equals dash and so on.
If it's a solid line of equals with no spaces or other symbols I think nvda will say the character 3 to 5 times and then say how many are there.
What is the colon cap d after the five equals message?
Pete
On 3/27/2016 3:30 PM, Chris wrote:

go to bottom of this message and you see what i mean

just above the signature


On 27/03/2016 17:03, Andre Fisher wrote:

I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:

and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:

Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :

Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy

On 3/27/2016 3:30 PM, Chris wrote:

go to bottom of this message and you see what i mean

just above the signature


On 27/03/2016 17:03, Andre Fisher wrote:

I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:

and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:

Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :

Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy

On 27/03/2016 20:44, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
1. Yes, each branch knows which update branch to use.
2. No, I'm in favor of keeping it (and this is useful as a good reminder as to how nVDA funding works and to state the fact that NV Access relies on grants and donations).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:19 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Hi Joseph
Are you saying each branch updates itself from it's own branch?
A second question is can the donate menu item be removed from nvda's menu?
Pete
On 3/27/2016 2:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,
Let me give you a "backstage tour" regarding this issue and why the suggestion will not be implemented:
As you may know by now, NV Access produces at least three branches: rc (release candidate), master, and next. The rc branch is where the stable (and official) releases happen, master is perpetual beta, and next is alpha-level code (bleeding-edge). For those using Chrome (or are reading the Chrome thread) may have noticed a similar pattern: Canary is equivalent to NVDA next (alpha-level code and is built nightly), dev and beta are equivalent to NVDA master, and the release that gets used by many users is equivalent to NVDA stable build.
Sometimes, NV Access or others may produce other snapshots. In the past, NV Access was known for producing snapshots from branches that required public testing (such as feedback when entering Asian characters). At one point, I have produced third-party snapshots, ranging from Windows 10 support, support for newer processor instructions, initial support for Outlook Calendar, and most recently, UEB tests (my snapshots, unlike those of NV Access, does not support updates).
When we produce snapshots, we assume the following:
* Many people are using stable builds.
* Using a snapshot means more bugs.
* When users are installing snapshots, they do so either because they are adventurous or would like to test upcoming features.
Regarding the last point, in order to move from stable build to development branches and vice versa, you need to download and install the desired build in question. This is because of the following:
* NVDA keeps a record of the branch it should query when connecting to NV Access server to retrieve updates. You can "fool" NVDA to download a different snapshot via code, but it won't work (this record is constant and will revert back to its original string once NVDA restarts).
* When NVDA checks for updates, it'll check the branch in question, and will present the update prompt if the version you've got is different than that of the one hosted on the server.
* Unless silenced, NVDA will check for updates every 24 hours.
Thus, when "changing" branches, you need to do this willingly. Because snapshots are reserved for a specific audience (although stable build users could try them out), the user interface for specifying branches will not be implemented.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.

Pete


On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:

You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.

On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check
for snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using
the normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete



On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic"
<list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least
some kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:

no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd
not think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1, to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools,
that automatically like downloading updates would let the user
download and install the latest snapshot build rather than them
having to go out to the web site and manually get it. Either
that, or maybe under the General tab of preferences, where you
have the box to check or uncheck for checking for updates, maybe
have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com]
Sent: March-26-16 10:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal

Well skype was junk a bit back.
Its still a bit clunky but its better than it was to some extent ie I
can use it if I fiddle.
I don't use all its features, skype chat, skype video and audio calls I
don't use anything else.
Skype is mostly a modified html page using the ie engine or whatever it
uses.
Its probably why they wish to upgrade it, ie is due to get retired, its
also heavily flash based as I had to shut down skype to load flash updates.



On 27/03/2016 12:39 p.m., Arlene wrote:

Oh! Okay if yu are using it for work. then by all means use Skype for it! Okay! okay! That makes sense! Then, I'll just retire the idea that it's junk!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com]
Sent: March-26-16 3:48 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal

Well I didn't used to care about skype but I have to use it for work and
since most of it is online.
Most work is via text some by audio.
Skype is good for me for the fact that when required family can use
video with eachother, I also have a good quality speaker system for
groups locally in my room.

For me its good to use video if I need to show my face to someone that
has sight.
However I didn't think I'd use it that much its a big part of my life
though.



On 26/03/2016 11:58 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com]
Sent: March-27-16 11:21 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] danger, danger nvda

Hmmm.
Well I havn't touched linux for a while.
When I went to school it was fedora 4 or was it 3 I forget.
I had an old synth then, the sound stuff started after school.
I fiddled with grml for a bit, then ran vinux 3 then ubuntu shell.
I fiddled with arch while I was sick but never got it working again and
due to my system I used it for not being active for a while its stopped
working I guess my time is out of date.
My plan is to use sonar but to be honest linux is a hobby for me.
I am a primarily windows user, and so is just about everyone on the
network both remote and local so right now I don't use linux.
Its been a fiddle here and there nothing serious.



On 28/03/2016 7:08 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi Shaun

Multiple versions of dot net behave better. Some games wanted dot
net 2.0 to run and a t i and intel install managers use dot net 2.0. My
old x p computer had dot net 1.1 2.0 3.0 3.5 and 4.0 installed. I need
to figure out a way to capture the info for the visual c + + errors to
present them here. Not sure how to do this. Some of the v c messages
are in a dialog box but the latest things I am talking about I think are
in a balloon or some thing that disappears. The message was about
conflicting instances of some v c dot d l l being loaded.
What dist & ver of Linux are you using?
Pete


On 3/26/2016 12:36 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well, I have a multipul installs of dotnet from 3.5 to 4.6 here on 7
win10 has 5 and does not run other versions.
v3.5 works on v2, and v4 on v3 the latest dotnets should work as far
back as 2.
As for visual c, they shouldn't conflict as such because certain
programs need certain libraries.
Now, my only wish would be that windows does what linux does.
The libs don't take up that much space but even so.
I'd prefur say you install something or try to do something.\
Say I want to run x program but its missing y z dll.
Windows is unable to start this program because *.dll is not loaded
please reinstall.
To avoid this I load just about every library I can to stop that error.
It happens with codecs.
If I am using linux, I type in something to install, it says this
needs such and such component, do you want to install it or it tells
you what to do.
I have often installed programs for ssh and a few things on linux, and
got messages like this program is not installed, or this program is
part of another install for servers, or in deed, unable to start
because this thing is missing.
However in linux you can then install it because it basically tells
you what to install.
If ms would do the same at least with its libs then we wouldn't have
this issue better still with linux it tells you what is needed, what
could be nice, what is not but if you need it it would be nice or
simply whatever.
In windows, I have slim dx, java latest, klite codec, visual c 2005sp1
2008sp1 2010 2012 2013 2015 2016 and their 64 bit equivilants.
On the subject of python, both 3x and 2x are still supported 2.7x is
the version a lot of stuff uses however its a good point a lot of
stuff has moved on from the older releases.



On 26/03/2016 2:29 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi
The proliferation of the famous Microsoft Visual C + + redistributable
packages is dangerous to nvva.
Windows loads multiple instances of the d l l s and not all instances
are the same version or even the correct version for a given program
causing untraceable bugs in nvda along with other programs like explorer
or the w10 file manager.
There doesn't seem to be backward compatibility say from visual c + +
2015 to earlier versions.
A second dangerous trend is the proliferation of multiple versions of
dot net frame work.
Again here no apparent backward compatibility seems to exists.
So one has his or her windows computer cluttered up with multiple
versions in most cases taking up hard drive real estate and causing
conflicts.
A lot of the nvda bugs possibly can be linked to miss matched
versions of d l l s being loaded by windows.
A third concern is the old version of python being used. If it's
time to upgrade from say visual c + + 2008 it should be time to update
to a newer version of python.
Shouldn't it?
Pete




.

On 3/27/16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmm I have used a stable config, I do have app profiles for some stuff
but to be honest I have not had a problem.



On 28/03/2016 7:34 a.m., Gene wrote:

As I recall, save configuration settings on exit used to be unchecked by
default. I haven't looked for quite awhile. Are people saying that
settings are now saved on exit by default? If so, that’s a really bad
idea because it may lead to lots of inadvertently saved changes. People
may change something intending the change to be temporary and find it
unintentionally being saved.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:25 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings


Calling them application settings may lead to confusion as NVDA refers to
them as configuration settings. Whether configuration settings are saved
on exit or not is governed by the 'Save configuration on exit' check box
in the General settings dialog (NVDA+Control+g). If you elect to uncheck
this setting, NVDA+Control+c will save the current configuration.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 March 2016 18:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Well unless you change it, it automatically saves on exit.



On 28/03/2016 1:49 a.m., sarabrennan@live.ca wrote:

Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the
manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs
to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific
application but when do I choose the settings & save?

Thanks

Le 27/03/2016 21:30, Chris a écrit :

go to bottom of this message and you see what i mean

just above the signature

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:19 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Hi Joseph
Are you saying each branch updates itself from it's own branch?
A second question is can the donate menu item be removed from nvda's menu?
Pete
On 3/27/2016 2:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,
Let me give you a "backstage tour" regarding this issue and why the suggestion will not be implemented:
As you may know by now, NV Access produces at least three branches: rc (release candidate), master, and next. The rc branch is where the stable (and official) releases happen, master is perpetual beta, and next is alpha-level code (bleeding-edge). For those using Chrome (or are reading the Chrome thread) may have noticed a similar pattern: Canary is equivalent to NVDA next (alpha-level code and is built nightly), dev and beta are equivalent to NVDA master, and the release that gets used by many users is equivalent to NVDA stable build.
Sometimes, NV Access or others may produce other snapshots. In the past, NV Access was known for producing snapshots from branches that required public testing (such as feedback when entering Asian characters). At one point, I have produced third-party snapshots, ranging from Windows 10 support, support for newer processor instructions, initial support for Outlook Calendar, and most recently, UEB tests (my snapshots, unlike those of NV Access, does not support updates).
When we produce snapshots, we assume the following:
* Many people are using stable builds.
* Using a snapshot means more bugs.
* When users are installing snapshots, they do so either because they are adventurous or would like to test upcoming features.
Regarding the last point, in order to move from stable build to development branches and vice versa, you need to download and install the desired build in question. This is because of the following:
* NVDA keeps a record of the branch it should query when connecting to NV Access server to retrieve updates. You can "fool" NVDA to download a different snapshot via code, but it won't work (this record is constant and will revert back to its original string once NVDA restarts).
* When NVDA checks for updates, it'll check the branch in question, and will present the update prompt if the version you've got is different than that of the one hosted on the server.
* Unless silenced, NVDA will check for updates every 24 hours.
Thus, when "changing" branches, you need to do this willingly. Because snapshots are reserved for a specific audience (although stable build users could try them out), the user interface for specifying branches will not be implemented.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.

Pete


On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:

You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.

On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check
for snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using
the normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete



On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic"
<list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least
some kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:

no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd
not think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1, to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools,
that automatically like downloading updates would let the user
download and install the latest snapshot build rather than them
having to go out to the web site and manually get it. Either
that, or maybe under the General tab of preferences, where you
have the box to check or uncheck for checking for updates, maybe
have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

On 27/03/2016 19:20, Pete wrote:

Hi Cris
May be there are five equal signs a space then five more and so on repeating the equal sign space combination.
like below:
===== ===== ===== =====
not sure how to tell nvda / espeak dictionary how it should say this.
Pete


On 3/27/2016 12:03 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:

I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:

and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:

Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :

Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy

On 27/03/2016 17:03, Andre Fisher wrote:

I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:

and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:

Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :

Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy

On 3/27/2016 2:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,
Let me give you a "backstage tour" regarding this issue and why the suggestion will not be implemented:
As you may know by now, NV Access produces at least three branches: rc (release candidate), master, and next. The rc branch is where the stable (and official) releases happen, master is perpetual beta, and next is alpha-level code (bleeding-edge). For those using Chrome (or are reading the Chrome thread) may have noticed a similar pattern: Canary is equivalent to NVDA next (alpha-level code and is built nightly), dev and beta are equivalent to NVDA master, and the release that gets used by many users is equivalent to NVDA stable build.
Sometimes, NV Access or others may produce other snapshots. In the past, NV Access was known for producing snapshots from branches that required public testing (such as feedback when entering Asian characters). At one point, I have produced third-party snapshots, ranging from Windows 10 support, support for newer processor instructions, initial support for Outlook Calendar, and most recently, UEB tests (my snapshots, unlike those of NV Access, does not support updates).
When we produce snapshots, we assume the following:
* Many people are using stable builds.
* Using a snapshot means more bugs.
* When users are installing snapshots, they do so either because they are adventurous or would like to test upcoming features.
Regarding the last point, in order to move from stable build to development branches and vice versa, you need to download and install the desired build in question. This is because of the following:
* NVDA keeps a record of the branch it should query when connecting to NV Access server to retrieve updates. You can "fool" NVDA to download a different snapshot via code, but it won't work (this record is constant and will revert back to its original string once NVDA restarts).
* When NVDA checks for updates, it'll check the branch in question, and will present the update prompt if the version you've got is different than that of the one hosted on the server.
* Unless silenced, NVDA will check for updates every 24 hours.
Thus, when "changing" branches, you need to do this willingly. Because snapshots are reserved for a specific audience (although stable build users could try them out), the user interface for specifying branches will not be implemented.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.

Pete


On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:

You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.

On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check for
snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using the
normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete



On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic" <list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some
kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:

no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that
automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web
site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for
checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds
when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Add On Still Not Working


Hi, Travis,

I just tried the mobile site and couldn't get it to work. I tried typing
my zip code in the edit field like you normally do but it doesn't work.
Either it's not accessible or maybe I'm missing something here.

Rosemarie
On 3/27/2016 10:19 AM, Kwork wrote:

I uninstalled it this morning. With the silence on inquiries into this
being
so loud, I kind of figured it might be a lost cause at this point.
The site I use for my forecast now is Weather Underground Mobile:
http://m.wund.com/
Very accessible, and it's the same one, last I knew, that Jaws uses for
its
research it for their weather.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Add On Still Not Working


Hi Group,

The new and exciting Weather Add On is still not working--now for about
48 hours. Does anyone have any further information about this? Who can
I contact to advise. Yahoo must have changed something.

I haven't checked to see how the label is written.  So how it is spoken may be determined by what punctuation setting is being used.  I simply think it should be written in such a way that it always reads the same such as punctuation followed by the word and and then the word symbol.  or if this is considered too nonstandard in this age where signs such as slash and the and sign must be used, then internal coding  should be used to cause it to read clearly, whatever someone with vision sees.  I use no punctuation and to be correct, I should hear something like punctuation and symbol or punctuation slash symbol.  From a speech standpoint, I consider punctuation slash symbol to be significantly inferior and unnatural sounding.  .

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:39 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  I am not sure I know what you mean.  Are you talking about grammatically correct labeling for controls in nvda or my dropping the slash from the name of the control?  reminds me of calling google chrome chrome. 
  Two controls makes more sense to me. 
  One control for controlling punctuation 
  and 
  a second control for controlling symbols 
  instead of one combined punctuation and symbol control. 
  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 1:17 PM, Gene wrote:

Then it should say punctuation and symbol if that is the intended meaning. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:55 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  Punctuation symbol level is o k for now, for example: 
  the pound sign is not punctuation and same for the slash and back-slash. 
  may be two separate control settings like: 
  Punctuation level
  and 
  symbol level 
  might be easier to understand for some. 

  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:

Ppunctuation should be set to all in the following manner:

Issue the command NVDA key control v if using the desktop layout.

Tab arount the voice settings dialog that opens and set punctuation symbol level to all.  I think this setting should be called simply punctuation level in the program.  Of course punctuation is symbols.  It's redundant to use the word symbol and it may be annoying or confusing to some users.  There is no need to change any other settings.

Then tab to and activate the ok button.

When you want to return to the punctuation level you were using before, issue the command NVDA key control r to restore the previous configuration.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:29 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

   No problem, glad I could help!
   Are you using nvda number pad cursor to read with
   or
   are you using the normal arrow keys to read?

   Try setting in nvda
   Preferences
   Voice settings...
   Punctuation/symbol level: all
   When Punctuation symbol level is set to all the arrow keys should
announce all arrow key presses.
   If not there might be a problem in the nvda installation.
I have mine set to some.
   The nvda reading cursor reading character by character reads all.
   I am not sure if I miss being able to set Punctuation symbol level
for different cursors like in jaws.
   Pete
On 3/27/2016 4:17 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> Thanks a lot Pete, you saved the day!
>
> Any ideas on how do I make nvda read all the punctuation during say
> all  or while reading line by line? I need it as while coding, it
> doesn't reads all  the punctuation marks when I read line by line, so
> I have to move character by character, and that takes a lot of time.
>
> Any help on this would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 3/26/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
>>     Hi
>>     the insert + plus keys on number pad moves the nvda review cursor to
>> the bottom line of cmd window.  You can use nvda's review 7 8 9 line by
>> line 4 5 6 word by word and 1 2 3 char by char.
>>     Pete
>> On 3/26/2016 2:18 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Plz suggest a way out to,
>>> 1. Read text in command line, CMD.
>>> 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or
>>> during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't
>>> worked out.
>>> 3.
>>>    Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working.
>>>
>>> I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  I am not sure I know what you mean.  Are you talking about grammatically correct labeling for controls in nvda or my dropping the slash from the name of the control?  reminds me of calling google chrome chrome. 
  Two controls makes more sense to me. 
  One control for controlling punctuation 
  and 
  a second control for controlling symbols 
  instead of one combined punctuation and symbol control. 
  Pete 

Then it should say punctuation and symbol if that is the intended meaning. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:55 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  Punctuation symbol level is o k for now, for example: 
  the pound sign is not punctuation and same for the slash and back-slash. 
  may be two separate control settings like: 
  Punctuation level
  and 
  symbol level 
  might be easier to understand for some. 

  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:

Ppunctuation should be set to all in the following manner:

Issue the command NVDA key control v if using the desktop layout.

Tab arount the voice settings dialog that opens and set punctuation symbol level to all.  I think this setting should be called simply punctuation level in the program.  Of course punctuation is symbols.  It's redundant to use the word symbol and it may be annoying or confusing to some users.  There is no need to change any other settings.

Then tab to and activate the ok button.

When you want to return to the punctuation level you were using before, issue the command NVDA key control r to restore the previous configuration.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:29 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

   No problem, glad I could help!
   Are you using nvda number pad cursor to read with
   or
   are you using the normal arrow keys to read?

   Try setting in nvda
   Preferences
   Voice settings...
   Punctuation/symbol level: all
   When Punctuation symbol level is set to all the arrow keys should
announce all arrow key presses.
   If not there might be a problem in the nvda installation.
I have mine set to some.
   The nvda reading cursor reading character by character reads all.
   I am not sure if I miss being able to set Punctuation symbol level
for different cursors like in jaws.
   Pete
On 3/27/2016 4:17 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> Thanks a lot Pete, you saved the day!
>
> Any ideas on how do I make nvda read all the punctuation during say
> all  or while reading line by line? I need it as while coding, it
> doesn't reads all  the punctuation marks when I read line by line, so
> I have to move character by character, and that takes a lot of time.
>
> Any help on this would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 3/26/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
>>     Hi
>>     the insert + plus keys on number pad moves the nvda review cursor to
>> the bottom line of cmd window.  You can use nvda's review 7 8 9 line by
>> line 4 5 6 word by word and 1 2 3 char by char.
>>     Pete
>> On 3/26/2016 2:18 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Plz suggest a way out to,
>>> 1. Read text in command line, CMD.
>>> 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or
>>> during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't
>>> worked out.
>>> 3.
>>>    Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working.
>>>
>>> I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

On 28/03/2016 7:34 a.m., Gene wrote:

As I recall, save configuration settings on exit used to be unchecked by default. I haven't looked for quite awhile. Are people saying that settings are now saved on exit by default? If so, that’s a really bad idea because it may lead to lots of inadvertently saved changes. People may change something intending the change to be temporary and find it unintentionally being saved.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:25 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings


Calling them application settings may lead to confusion as NVDA refers to them as configuration settings. Whether configuration settings are saved on exit or not is governed by the 'Save configuration on exit' check box in the General settings dialog (NVDA+Control+g). If you elect to uncheck this setting, NVDA+Control+c will save the current configuration.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 March 2016 18:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Well unless you change it, it automatically saves on exit.



On 28/03/2016 1:49 a.m., sarabrennan@live.ca wrote:

Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?

Thanks

Thunderbird may have updated again.  As I've said before, if someone is just using Thunderbird as an e-mail program and isn't using other features, finding a version that works as desired and then telling it not to update will save considerable trouble over time.  There is no reason to update a program you use only for e-mail.

 

Gene

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:24 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] and thunderbird spell check

   Hi

   Just today insert + b says unknown when I try to use it to read the
dialog in the spell check in Thunderbird.
   Any ideas?
   It worked before today no new apps or applications were installed
since yesterday.
   Pete

Then it should say punctuation and symbol if that is the intended meaning. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:55 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  Punctuation symbol level is o k for now, for example: 
  the pound sign is not punctuation and same for the slash and back-slash. 
  may be two separate control settings like: 
  Punctuation level
  and 
  symbol level 
  might be easier to understand for some. 

  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:

Ppunctuation should be set to all in the following manner:

Issue the command NVDA key control v if using the desktop layout.

Tab arount the voice settings dialog that opens and set punctuation symbol level to all.  I think this setting should be called simply punctuation level in the program.  Of course punctuation is symbols.  It's redundant to use the word symbol and it may be annoying or confusing to some users.  There is no need to change any other settings.

Then tab to and activate the ok button.

When you want to return to the punctuation level you were using before, issue the command NVDA key control r to restore the previous configuration.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:29 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

   No problem, glad I could help!
   Are you using nvda number pad cursor to read with
   or
   are you using the normal arrow keys to read?

   Try setting in nvda
   Preferences
   Voice settings...
   Punctuation/symbol level: all
   When Punctuation symbol level is set to all the arrow keys should
announce all arrow key presses.
   If not there might be a problem in the nvda installation.
I have mine set to some.
   The nvda reading cursor reading character by character reads all.
   I am not sure if I miss being able to set Punctuation symbol level
for different cursors like in jaws.
   Pete
On 3/27/2016 4:17 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> Thanks a lot Pete, you saved the day!
>
> Any ideas on how do I make nvda read all the punctuation during say
> all  or while reading line by line? I need it as while coding, it
> doesn't reads all  the punctuation marks when I read line by line, so
> I have to move character by character, and that takes a lot of time.
>
> Any help on this would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 3/26/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
>>     Hi
>>     the insert + plus keys on number pad moves the nvda review cursor to
>> the bottom line of cmd window.  You can use nvda's review 7 8 9 line by
>> line 4 5 6 word by word and 1 2 3 char by char.
>>     Pete
>> On 3/26/2016 2:18 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Plz suggest a way out to,
>>> 1. Read text in command line, CMD.
>>> 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or
>>> during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't
>>> worked out.
>>> 3.
>>>    Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working.
>>>
>>> I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>