Re: My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement
Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...>
I just posted this to my FaceBook page.
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On Mar 24, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:29 pm, Gene wrote:
Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator? I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator. Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner. It's just common sense. What follows Gene is not personal, nor limited to this situation, but is a general observation from years of having been on forums. My answer to your first question is, "No." If moderators don't know that they are not "the special elect" and they're behaving as though they're supposed to receive special respect outside the role they need to be disabused of that notion immediately, if not sooner. As soon as a moderator puts himself or herself into a special class above the membership when they are not acting as a moderator, but as another group member, troubles are going to ensue - generally because the "enforcer tendency" comes to the fore. I should not have to have any more respect for the moderator than I do for any other member when they are not exercising their role as a moderator. The generic, and very old, rhetorical question, "What makes you think you're so special?," comes to the fore. One should not fear a moderator, nor treat them any differently than one does any other group member. A good moderator makes assiduous efforts to avoid creating a situation where other group members have to feel any hesitation to say what they would have said to them as another group member because they fear them. If you have a case where members fear owners or moderators I can assure you that a group is in its death spiral, be that a slow one or very rapid one, unless that situation can be reversed. (Substitute group owner for moderator at will in the above and it still applies). What follows is directed at you, and I've said it in public to you before, so it's not specific to this thread: You sometimes come across as curt and brusque to others even when you do not believe you are doing so. When called out about it you actively resist integrating the feedback you've been given. I've also had the similar exchanges with Chris, so I'm equal opportunity. By the way, I'm in agreement with the folks who have said that the use of Excel for the purpose Chris originally outlines is, to put it mildly, ill-suited. At the same time I've been in the same shoes as Chris, where I don't get to make that decision, and what I was asking about wasn't an opinion on suitability, but just about how something works that I'm being forced to use, even if there are far better tools for a given job. Being lit into when that's the case tends to get one's dander up. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Gene
And in case there is any confusion because I mistakenly
mixed my comments, I am not singling out rudeness towards me. I was
writing as a list member before I sent the mixed comments. I mean rudeness
as displayed to me and the others in the thread with no extra attention to what
you wrote to me. Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions I'm willing to admit that I was wrong. I
should have said that as a moderator, I'm stating that such rudeness in future
won't be tolerated. I shouldn't have mixed the comments. But you
know that I'm a moderator, something which I remembered after I sent the
message. We discussed something a few months ago with me speaking as
moderator. Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a
moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator? I don't
hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a
moderator. Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's
not writing as a list owner. It's just common sense.
Gene
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so. I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene. Chris.
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Gene
I'm willing to admit that I was wrong. I
should have said that as a moderator, I'm stating that such rudeness in future
won't be tolerated. I shouldn't have mixed the comments. But you
know that I'm a moderator, something which I remembered after I sent the
message. We discussed something a few months ago with me speaking as
moderator. Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a
moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator? I don't
hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a
moderator. Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's
not writing as a list owner. It's just common sense.
Gene
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so. I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene. Chris.
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Brian Vogel wrote:
the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so. I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene. Chris.
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Gene
That may be. I have only moderated this one
list and only for about six months and I have never seen any guidelines on
moderation.
Gene
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions Perhaps you didn't know that I am a moderator. All the more reason to be civil on lists since you don't know who you are bumping heads with. Being a moderator means nothing, absolutely nothing, when you are not "in the role" at the moment. When you're participating in a thread you are a member, period. I'm not defending Chris at all. Using the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so. You, and any other moderator, are just a group member except when you are
carrying out the duties of the role. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:23 pm, Gene wrote:
Perhaps you didn't know that I am a moderator. All the more reason to be civil on lists since you don't know who you are bumping heads with. Being a moderator means nothing, absolutely nothing, when you are not "in the role" at the moment. When you're participating in a thread you are a member, period. I'm not defending Chris at all. Using the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so. You, and any other moderator, are just a group member except when you are carrying out the duties of the role. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Arlene
It is. it’s used for spread sheets. For example. If you are working in an office. You use it for payroll and other flo charts such as budget. I tried it in my boss’s office. He installed NVDA on the computer. He has it not start when the computer starts up. I don’t know how to use excel. He took me to it or I’ll say another co-worker took me to payroll and where excel will be used.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: March-23-17 10:12 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Thank you for that information, Arlene.
Once I had the chance to get by a PC which had NVDA on it, I gave it a try. You're defiitely correct regarding it being usable. I'm actually quite impressed. Anyway, again, thanks for the help. Stay warm. Hopefully you're not getting the cold front we just got here near Charlotte NC. LOL!
God bless. ---
http://www.gshministry.org
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Re: Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016
So, in the new word, NVDA doesn't read me name of symbols, like for example in Word 2010.
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Re: My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement
Fernando Apan
This is wonderful! Thanks for sharing.
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El 24/03/2017 a las 01:12 p.m., Bhavya shah escribió:
Dear all,
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My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement
Bhavya shah
Dear all,
Here's sharing about a blog post I recently published on my new blog named 'Hiking Across Horizons' located at bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/. Apart from the one about NVDA, there are others pertaining to various topics which you may feel free to check out. I would sincerely appreciate any and all feedback, and do spread the word about HAH and follow the blog via e-mail. For now though... ‘Is it right for visually impaired people across the globe to suffer and remain seemingly incapable due to inevitable financial constraints? This was the question that Michael Curran and James Teh, two blind Australian programmers, asked themselves.’ The open source and community-driven NVDA screen reader #NVDASR engineered by the Australian non-profit NV Access is the candid answer to many of those questions I am frequently asked – ‘How do you study in school and give your exams?’ and ‘But then how do you use a computer?’ I consider nothing better to shed light on these enquiries than writing a series of posts on my new blog ‘Hiking Across Horizons’ detailing the assistive technologies I use on a day-to-day basis. Presenting to you thus is my 2016 contribution to the Insight Braille magazine about ‘The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement’! https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/the-non-visual-desktop-access-movement-assistive-technology-life-transforming-nvda-you-me/ Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Re: Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016
Marco, Could you be just a bit more specific about what it is you're trying to accomplish? There are keyboard shortcuts and even "correct as you type" shortcuts to allow the insertion of the more common symbols in MS-Word. I've generally used the Character Map utility of Windows to find what I want then select it, copy it, and paste it but given the layout of Character Map that would be awfully tedious even if it is 100% accessible. You might also want to have a look at one or more of the first seven webpages returned by this DuckDuckGo search on "Word 2016 insert symbol". The youtube video might be particularly helpful. It all depends on how accessible the Insert Symbol dialog is. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Publishing an eBook with NVDA
David Griffith
Sorry I sent this to the wrong list. Should have come to this list. No – Codex is an alternative to Calibre developed specifically for Visually Impaired People by a VI Programmer called James Scholes. It is intended for converting between virtually any document format to ePub Mobi Kindle etc.
It is also advertised as being able to remove Kindle DRM for Accessibility Purposes – but there are lost of Caveats to that conversion ability. Basically in relation to Kindle conversion it only works with Kindle PC 1.17. Not 1.14 Accessibility Plugin version or latest Kindle 1.19 accessible with NVDA. I am not clear if this is a limitation or design as it is made clear the DRM stripping ability is for personal accessibility access only.
As I say I find it very useful just for context menu instant conversion between Word, RTF, txt , epub mobi and so on.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: 23 March 2017 22:50 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing an eBook with NVDA
Were you asking about how to obtain Calibre? Sorry, I meant to include the link in my earlier e-mail. Download it from https://calibre-ebook.com/
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:04 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016
Hi!
I have a pleasure, but I don't know, how to post and where to post It. Please, can You get accessible for NVDA simbol dialogue in MS Word 2016? Thank You! Marco Oros
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released
Roger Stewart
Just to let you know I just turned on
my PC this morning and the update notice came on right away and
the update was installed successfully here. Rog3er
On 3/24/2017 1:54 AM, Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Last two next snaps will not install on xp
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Just installed the new new next and it installs on xp OK.
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Brrian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp It failed on 3, and it was run from auto update in all cases, hear the music, then hear old version tones for close, then it is saying problem in app module Explorer, and it gives two bleeps and stops looking for help. rebooting the old version still installed is ok so it just stops obviously. I see a snap is up this morning claiming to fix the problems in explorer and issues with errors outside of the edge browser which was the original mod that started all of this. I'll give the snap a try and let folk know. could be I was just unlucky in getting the broken snap yesterday.
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Re: Last two next snaps will not install on xp
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
It failed on 3, and it was run from auto update in all cases, hear the music, then hear old version tones for close, then it is saying problem in app module Explorer, and it gives two bleeps and stops looking for help. rebooting the old version still installed is ok so it just stops obviously. I see a snap is up this morning claiming to fix the problems in explorer and issues with errors outside of the edge browser which was the original mod that started all of this. I'll give the snap a try and let folk know. could be I was just unlucky in getting the broken snap yesterday.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp I just tried the current snapshot and the previous one. They both ran properly. I used the continue running option but according to Brian's message, the installer didn't run at all in the previous version so how I ran or installed the program shouldn't matter. I'm using XP service pack 3. Aside from not knowing if this is a very limited or a wider problem, it might be useful to know if Brian has this problem on more than one XP machine, if he has more than one. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp Brian, There's a Next build from today: 13946,38d8ee77 Fri Mar 24 00:38:04 2017, not sure if you've tried that one and had any success. The two before that: 13944,8cd12221 Wed Mar 22 22:17:52 2017 13942,3c28c06f Tue Mar 21 22:45:54 2017 are I'm guessing the ones you were having trouble with? If you go back to the one before that (or earlier): 13934,d4725475 Mon Mar 20 00:22:43 2017 - does it install? On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Explorer error and error then quits. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. -- Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Ph +61 7 3149 3306 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Braille Tables?
I haven't played with it since 2017.1 came out, but the Koine (pronounced Koinay) Greek table was a bit busted. There's a great web site to tell if the Koine table is working. it's http://www.greekbible.com.
Ben
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Gilland wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released
Hi, At this point, the log might have been lost. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
Hi. Is the log still available? If yes where can I find it? Thanks
On 24 March 2017 at 09:07, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released
Hi. Is the log still available?I updated using the settings window so nvda restarted already. Nikos
On 24 March 2017 at 09:07, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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