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Re: My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement

Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...>
 

I just posted this to my FaceBook page.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,
Here's sharing about a blog post I recently published on my new blog
named 'Hiking Across Horizons' located at
bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/. Apart from the one about NVDA, there are
others pertaining to various topics which you may feel free to check
out. I would sincerely appreciate any and all feedback, and do spread
the word about HAH and follow the blog via e-mail. For now though...

‘Is it right for visually impaired people across the globe to suffer
and remain seemingly incapable due to inevitable financial
constraints? This was the question that Michael Curran and James Teh,
two blind Australian programmers, asked themselves.’
The open source and community-driven NVDA screen reader #NVDASR
engineered by the Australian non-profit NV Access is the candid answer
to many of those questions I am frequently asked – ‘How do you study
in school and give your exams?’ and ‘But then how do you use a
computer?’ I consider nothing better to shed light on these enquiries
than writing a series of posts on my new blog ‘Hiking Across Horizons’
detailing the assistive technologies I use on a day-to-day basis.
Presenting to you thus is my 2016 contribution to the Insight Braille
magazine about ‘The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement’!
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/the-non-visual-desktop-access-movement-assistive-technology-life-transforming-nvda-you-me/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Brian Vogel
 

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:29 pm, Gene wrote:
Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.

What follows Gene is not personal, nor limited to this situation, but is a general observation from years of having been on forums.

My answer to your first question is, "No."  If moderators don't know that they are not "the special elect" and they're behaving as though they're supposed to receive special respect outside the role they need to be disabused of that notion immediately, if not sooner.   As soon as a moderator puts himself or herself into a special class above the membership when they are not acting as a moderator, but as another group member, troubles are going to ensue - generally because the "enforcer tendency" comes to the fore.  I should not have to have any more respect for the moderator than I do for any other member when they are not exercising their role as a moderator.  The generic, and very old, rhetorical question, "What makes you think you're so special?," comes to the fore.  One should not fear a moderator, nor treat them any differently than one does any other group member.  A good moderator makes assiduous efforts to avoid creating a situation where other group members have to feel any hesitation to say what they would have said to them as another group member because they fear them.  If you have a case where members fear owners or moderators I can assure you that a group is in its death spiral, be that a slow one or very rapid one, unless that situation can be reversed.  (Substitute group owner for moderator at will in the above and it still applies).

What follows is directed at you, and I've said it in public to you before, so it's not specific to this thread:  You sometimes come across as curt and brusque to others even when you do not believe you are doing so.  When called out about it you actively resist integrating the feedback you've been given.

I've also had the similar exchanges with Chris, so I'm equal opportunity.

By the way, I'm in agreement with the folks who have said that the use of Excel for the purpose Chris originally outlines is, to put it mildly, ill-suited.  At the same time I've been in the same shoes as Chris, where I don't get to make that decision, and what I was asking about wasn't an opinion on suitability, but just about how something works that I'm being forced to use, even if there are far better tools for a given job.  Being lit into when that's the case tends to get one's dander up.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

And in case there is any confusion because I mistakenly mixed my comments, I am not singling out rudeness towards me.  I was writing as a list member before I sent the mixed comments.  I mean rudeness as displayed to me and the others in the thread with no extra attention to what you wrote to me. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

I'm willing to admit that I was wrong.  I should have said that as a moderator, I'm stating that such rudeness in future won't be tolerated.  I shouldn't have mixed the comments.  But you know that I'm a moderator, something which I remembered after I sent the message.  We discussed something a few months ago with me speaking as moderator.  Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Brian Vogel wrote:

the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene.

Chris.
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

I'm willing to admit that I was wrong.  I should have said that as a moderator, I'm stating that such rudeness in future won't be tolerated.  I shouldn't have mixed the comments.  But you know that I'm a moderator, something which I remembered after I sent the message.  We discussed something a few months ago with me speaking as moderator.  Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Brian Vogel wrote:

the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene.

Chris.
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene.

Chris.
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

That may be.  I have only moderated this one list and only for about six months and I have never seen any guidelines on moderation. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:23 pm, Gene wrote:
Perhaps you didn't know that I am a moderator.  All the more reason to be civil on lists since you don't know who you are bumping heads with. 

Being a moderator means nothing, absolutely nothing, when you are not "in the role" at the moment.  When you're participating in a thread you are a member, period.

I'm not defending Chris at all.  Using the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

You, and any other moderator, are just a group member except when you are carrying out the duties of the role.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:23 pm, Gene wrote:
Perhaps you didn't know that I am a moderator.  All the more reason to be civil on lists since you don't know who you are bumping heads with. 

Being a moderator means nothing, absolutely nothing, when you are not "in the role" at the moment.  When you're participating in a thread you are a member, period.

I'm not defending Chris at all.  Using the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

You, and any other moderator, are just a group member except when you are carrying out the duties of the role.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill
locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Arlene
 

It is. it’s used for spread sheets. For example. If you are working in an office. You use it for payroll and other flo charts such as budget. I tried it in my boss’s office.  He installed NVDA on the computer. He has it not start when the computer starts up.  I don’t know how to use excel. He took me to it or I’ll say another co-worker took me to payroll and where excel will be used.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: March-23-17 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Thank you for that information, Arlene.

 

Once I had the chance to get by a PC which had NVDA on it, I gave it a try. You're defiitely correct regarding it being usable. I'm actually quite impressed. Anyway, again, thanks for the help. Stay warm. Hopefully you're not getting the cold front we just got here near Charlotte NC. LOL!

 

God bless.

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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:48 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet  not for documents.  Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March-22-17 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.

 

On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.

 

The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.

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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.

 


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Re: Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016

Marco Oros
 

So, in the new word, NVDA doesn't read me name of symbols, like for example in Word 2010.
Re: My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement

Fernando Apan
 

This is wonderful! Thanks for sharing.


Fernando Apan.

El 24/03/2017 a las 01:12 p.m., Bhavya shah escribió:
Dear all,
Here's sharing about a blog post I recently published on my new blog
named 'Hiking Across Horizons' located at
bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/. Apart from the one about NVDA, there are
others pertaining to various topics which you may feel free to check
out. I would sincerely appreciate any and all feedback, and do spread
the word about HAH and follow the blog via e-mail. For now though...

‘Is it right for visually impaired people across the globe to suffer
and remain seemingly incapable due to inevitable financial
constraints? This was the question that Michael Curran and James Teh,
two blind Australian programmers, asked themselves.’
The open source and community-driven NVDA screen reader #NVDASR
engineered by the Australian non-profit NV Access is the candid answer
to many of those questions I am frequently asked – ‘How do you study
in school and give your exams?’ and ‘But then how do you use a
computer?’ I consider nothing better to shed light on these enquiries
than writing a series of posts on my new blog ‘Hiking Across Horizons’
detailing the assistive technologies I use on a day-to-day basis.
Presenting to you thus is my 2016 contribution to the Insight Braille
magazine about ‘The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement’!
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/the-non-visual-desktop-access-movement-assistive-technology-life-transforming-nvda-you-me/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
Here's sharing about a blog post I recently published on my new blog
named 'Hiking Across Horizons' located at
bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/. Apart from the one about NVDA, there are
others pertaining to various topics which you may feel free to check
out. I would sincerely appreciate any and all feedback, and do spread
the word about HAH and follow the blog via e-mail. For now though...

‘Is it right for visually impaired people across the globe to suffer
and remain seemingly incapable due to inevitable financial
constraints? This was the question that Michael Curran and James Teh,
two blind Australian programmers, asked themselves.’
The open source and community-driven NVDA screen reader #NVDASR
engineered by the Australian non-profit NV Access is the candid answer
to many of those questions I am frequently asked – ‘How do you study
in school and give your exams?’ and ‘But then how do you use a
computer?’ I consider nothing better to shed light on these enquiries
than writing a series of posts on my new blog ‘Hiking Across Horizons’
detailing the assistive technologies I use on a day-to-day basis.
Presenting to you thus is my 2016 contribution to the Insight Braille
magazine about ‘The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement’!
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/the-non-visual-desktop-access-movement-assistive-technology-life-transforming-nvda-you-me/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
Re: Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016

Brian Vogel
 

Marco,

         Could you be just a bit more specific about what it is you're trying to accomplish?

         There are keyboard shortcuts and even "correct as you type" shortcuts to allow the insertion of the more common symbols in MS-Word.  I've generally used the Character Map utility of Windows to find what I want then select it, copy it, and paste it but given the layout of Character Map that would be awfully tedious even if it is 100% accessible.

          You might also want to have a look at one or more of the first seven webpages returned by this DuckDuckGo search on "Word 2016 insert symbol".  The youtube video might be particularly helpful.  It all depends on how accessible the Insert Symbol dialog is.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill
Re: Publishing an eBook with NVDA

David Griffith
 

Sorry I sent this to the wrong list.

Should have come to this list.

No – Codex is an alternative to Calibre developed specifically for Visually Impaired People  by a VI Programmer  called James Scholes. It is intended for converting between virtually any document format  to ePub Mobi Kindle etc.

 

It is also advertised as being able to remove Kindle DRM for Accessibility Purposes – but there are lost of Caveats to that conversion ability.  Basically in relation to Kindle conversion it only works with Kindle PC 1.17. Not 1.14 Accessibility Plugin version or latest Kindle 1.19 accessible with NVDA. I am not clear if this is a limitation or design as it is made clear the DRM stripping ability is for personal accessibility access only.

 

As I say I find it very useful just for context menu instant conversion between Word, RTF, txt , epub mobi  and so on.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: 23 March 2017 22:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing an eBook with NVDA

 

Were you asking about how to obtain Calibre?  Sorry, I meant to include the link in my earlier e-mail.  Download it from https://calibre-ebook.com/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:04 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I used Google to look for Codex and James Scholes it was the first or second result.

 

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: slery
Sent: 21 March 2017 05:01


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing an eBook with NVDA

 

How does one obtain this program?

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing an eBook with NVDA

 

I thought it was just worth mentioning that the Codex program produced for VI Users by James Scholes includes an Explorer context menu shortcut which converts from many document formats to ePub Mobi and  other formats and back.

 

So with this program just focus on your Word Document  in Explorer, bring up the context menu, select Codex and then convert to ePub from your available options.

Seems to work fine in the limited use I have made of it.

This program is most often cited for Kindle DRM Removal but these other ottions are also very useful.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: 20 March 2017 10:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing an eBook with NVDA

 

I haven't used Smashwords, although I have published on other platforms.  One tool I have used is Calibre which converts documents to and from a number of formats, including ePub (and mobi).

 

Once you have an ePub, it's worth running through: http://validator.idpf.org/ which will test whether there are any major ePub validation errors which will often throw up red flags on various publishing sites (Apple iBooks will reject books which don't pass that validator for instance - or at least, if they reject you, they recommend fixing any errors that site shows).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Hi David,

I have published a book on smashwords some years ago.  The process is accessible but you need your book formatted correctly which is where you  may want to get sighted assistance to verify the formatting like uniform fonts being used etc. Yes, it may be possible to format correctly with NVDA but the process is tedious not because of NVDA but the way a screen reader works and presents information via speech. If we could get a tool like the Jaws text analyser,  verifying formatting etc., would become easier. Yes, there is already a ticket about this.

Pranav



 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 
Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016

Marco Oros
 

Hi!

I have a pleasure, but I don't know, how to post and where to post It.

Please, can You get accessible for NVDA simbol dialogue in MS Word 2016?

Thank You!

Marco Oros
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

Roger Stewart
 

Just to let you know I just turned on  my PC this morning and the update notice came on right away and the update was installed successfully here.

Rog3er











On 3/24/2017 1:54 AM, Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Joseph.
Thanks for the update.
If I choose to install the update from the automatic notification when nvda starts, the update doesn't work and it says that there was a problem retrieving the file if I remember right.
If I check for updates again from the settings the update process works as it should.
Nikos

On 24 March 2017 at 06:02, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on 17.03.2. This is a minor bug fix release. You can check for new version via NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials/Update (or let NVDA check for the updated add-on version for you).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03.2

 

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Last two next snaps will not install on xp

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Just installed the new new next and it installs on xp OK.
Brrian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp


It failed on 3, and it was run from auto update in all cases, hear the music, then hear old version tones for close, then it is saying problem in app module Explorer, and it gives two bleeps and stops looking for help. rebooting the old version still installed is ok so it just stops obviously. I see a snap is up this morning claiming to fix the problems in explorer and issues with errors outside of the edge browser which was the original mod that started all of this. I'll give the snap a try and let folk know. could be I was just unlucky in getting the broken snap yesterday.
Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp


I just tried the current snapshot and the previous one. They both ran properly. I used the continue running option but according to Brian's message, the installer didn't run at all in the previous version so how I ran or installed the program shouldn't matter. I'm using XP service pack 3. Aside from not knowing if this is a very limited or a wider problem, it might be useful to know if Brian has this problem on more than one XP machine, if he has more than one.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp


Brian,

There's a Next build from today: 13946,38d8ee77 Fri Mar 24 00:38:04 2017, not sure if you've tried that one and had any success. The two before that:


13944,8cd12221 Wed Mar 22 22:17:52 2017
13942,3c28c06f Tue Mar 21 22:45:54 2017




are I'm guessing the ones you were having trouble with? If you go back to the one before that (or earlier): 13934,d4725475 Mon Mar 20 00:22:43 2017 - does it install?


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Explorer error and error then quits.
Brian

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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.









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Re: Last two next snaps will not install on xp

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It failed on 3, and it was run from auto update in all cases, hear the music, then hear old version tones for close, then it is saying problem in app module Explorer, and it gives two bleeps and stops looking for help. rebooting the old version still installed is ok so it just stops obviously. I see a snap is up this morning claiming to fix the problems in explorer and issues with errors outside of the edge browser which was the original mod that started all of this. I'll give the snap a try and let folk know. could be I was just unlucky in getting the broken snap yesterday.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp


I just tried the current snapshot and the previous one. They both ran properly. I used the continue running option but according to Brian's message, the installer didn't run at all in the previous version so how I ran or installed the program shouldn't matter. I'm using XP service pack 3. Aside from not knowing if this is a very limited or a wider problem, it might be useful to know if Brian has this problem on more than one XP machine, if he has more than one.

Gene
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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Last two next snaps will not install on xp


Brian,

There's a Next build from today: 13946,38d8ee77 Fri Mar 24 00:38:04 2017, not sure if you've tried that one and had any success. The two before that:


13944,8cd12221 Wed Mar 22 22:17:52 2017
13942,3c28c06f Tue Mar 21 22:45:54 2017




are I'm guessing the ones you were having trouble with? If you go back to the one before that (or earlier): 13934,d4725475 Mon Mar 20 00:22:43 2017 - does it install?


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Explorer error and error then quits.
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Re: Braille Tables?

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

I haven't played with it since 2017.1 came out, but the Koine (pronounced Koinay) Greek table was a bit busted. There's a great web site to tell if the Koine table is working. it's http://www.greekbible.com.


Ben


On 3/23/2017 22:39, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Is there a way to change the braille table within NVDA? I'm looking at some christian resources online for part of my ministry work which are requiring that I be able to get to the Greek alphabet. I'm sure I remember seeing a way to switch things over, but just don't remember where. Further, is there a table which would support the polytonic greek, or does it only work with more modern.
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

At this point, the log might have been lost.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

 

Hi.

Is the log still available?

If yes where can I find it?
I updated using the settings window so nvda restarted already.

Thanks
Nikos

 

On 24 March 2017 at 09:07, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you reply with the relevant part of the log? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:01 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

 

Hi Joseph.

It happened to me for the last 2 stable updates.

Thanks

Nikos

 

On 24 March 2017 at 08:58, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Which version did you try to update from? If this happens, please use the workaround you’ve described for now.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

 

Hi Joseph.

Thanks for the update.

If I choose to install the update from the automatic notification when nvda starts, the update doesn't work and it says that there was a problem retrieving the file if I remember right.

If I check for updates again from the settings the update process works as it should.

Nikos

 

On 24 March 2017 at 06:02, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on 17.03.2. This is a minor bug fix release. You can check for new version via NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials/Update (or let NVDA check for the updated add-on version for you).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03.2

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

Nikos Demetriou
 

Hi.
Is the log still available?
If yes where can I find it?
I updated using the settings window so nvda restarted already.
Thanks
Nikos

On 24 March 2017 at 09:07, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you reply with the relevant part of the log? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:01 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

 

Hi Joseph.

It happened to me for the last 2 stable updates.

Thanks

Nikos

 

On 24 March 2017 at 08:58, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Which version did you try to update from? If this happens, please use the workaround you’ve described for now.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03.2 released

 

Hi Joseph.

Thanks for the update.

If I choose to install the update from the automatic notification when nvda starts, the update doesn't work and it says that there was a problem retrieving the file if I remember right.

If I check for updates again from the settings the update process works as it should.

Nikos

 

On 24 March 2017 at 06:02, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on 17.03.2. This is a minor bug fix release. You can check for new version via NVDA Menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials/Update (or let NVDA check for the updated add-on version for you).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03.2

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 
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