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Re: running filters on messages in thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Rosemary,


If you followed the steps to create the filter properly, they should automatically go to the folders as received. If there were messages in the inbox that you want filtered before you created the filter, then go to your inbox, press alt + T for tools and R for run filter on folder. This should move the misplaced messages from the inbox to the proper folder/s.

On 3/25/2017 12:33 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Ron,


What I'm asking is how do you run a filter on amessage you want to go to the proper folder? Even though I created the message rule for this list, I'm still having messages go to the inbox.


Rosemarie



On 3/24/2017 9:28 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Rosemary,


With thunderbird, this process is quite simple.


1. Create your folder by highlighting the tree view of folders, making sure you are at the level desired for the filter creation and use the right click menu to choose new folder and type in a name and press return.

2. Then from the main window, press alt + T for tools, F for filters, tab once to new and press space bar and a standard dialogue opens where you fill in your pertinent information.


This is much easier than some older programs like Outlook Express where when in the filter creation process, the interface was such that you had to do a lot of routing of PC to review or JAWS and so on to choose the contains or does not contain and the folder choices.



On 3/24/2017 11:16 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

How do you run a filter when you get a message in thunderbird? I created my rule for this list but can't get the messages to go in the proper folder.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie







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Announcing release of StationPlaylist Studio add-on for NvDA version 17.04

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of StationPlaylist Studio add-on for NVDA version 17.04. This major release packs exciting new features and changes, such as streamlined add-on update experience, playlist snapshots, vertical column navigation and more.

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/tag/17.04

 

Also, I hereby announce that version 17.04 is the second to last major release of the SPL add-on. Several broadcasters and I had a chat about the future of the add-on, and people agreed that the add-on includes all the major features. Thus whichever version that’ll come out in summer will be the last major version of the add-on, with subsequent updates being bite-sized chunks and moving toward continuous delivery mode (no more major releases once or twice a year). Also, I’m opening up Test Drive Program (try builds of the add-on) to everyone willing to provide feedback and test feature ideas.

More info about this and other details can be found at:

https://nvda-spl.groups.io/g/nvda-spl/topic/welcome_to_spl_studio_add_on/4654196?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,4654196

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Topic Locked was Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,


because of the tone of this exchange, I am locking this thread. I would advise anyone wishing to discuss this further to reach out to the owner e-mail address... This will not continue on this list.


Thanks.  


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Can we take this off-list? Maybe sit down for a cuppa?

If both of you wish to, feel free to include the owner e-mail address.

Thanks.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't think I'm making your case.  .  I'm saying that on even well run active lists I've been on for years, if someone is rude to the list owner, some people may express surprise or make a joke such as, I bet you didn't know that X is the owner.  All I'm saying is that it isn't smart, no matter what list you are on, to be rude to the owner or moderator as a matter of policy.  I'm not talking about my attitude toward rudeness and I don't hold grudges.  I understand that at times, tempers flare and I don't believe in disciplining every instance of rudeness.  There are some instances that need to be dealt with but a bit of temper now and then isn't something to make a case about every time.  Still, I do believe that such incidents should be addressed with warnings or admonitions.  It's too easy for rudeness to become more common if it is left unanswered. 
 
Gene
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 08:39 pm, Gene wrote:
I'm saying as a general matter, that if someone is going to be rude, it's not a good idea to be rude to a moderator whether the moderator is writing as a moderator or not simply because if you antagonize the wrong one, you may have problems.

 And I'm saying if that's what actually occurs in practice your group will be deader than a doornail in no time flat.

You are essentially making my very point for me.  If the feeling is, "you may have problems," if you treat a moderator just like you would any other member, at least presuming that the first person you is not a complete jerk, then the moderator is misbehaving.  I don't know of anyone who hasn't been rude at some point in their lives, whether in person or online.  Sometimes it's justified and sometimes it's noe.

I also think that the emphasis that's put on "not being rude" in some of these groups is so detached from reality as we each live it daily as to be laughable.  I think I do a pretty good job of not being rude while at the same time being very direct when I think that's necessary.  If some ticks me off online and I think it necessary I will  respond to it in kind and other times I just ignore it.  Responding in kind is not a disaster when it occurs nor an indication of the beginning of the end, a reflection on the group as a whole, nor anything else of the sort.  It's two people (or sometimes more) having a brief disagreement and life moves on.

Long ago, in a group far, far away, someone put it much better than I did above:

I flat-out refuse to treat each and every post as some kind of deep and meaningful statement from the nether regions of my psyche about the real meaning of Truth, and I will not meditate, fast and pray about the deepest implications of each before I hit 'Send'.     ~ Scott Carpenter, 18 Jun 2001

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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

I don't think I'm making your case.  .  I'm saying that on even well run active lists I've been on for years, if someone is rude to the list owner, some people may express surprise or make a joke such as, I bet you didn't know that X is the owner.  All I'm saying is that it isn't smart, no matter what list you are on, to be rude to the owner or moderator as a matter of policy.  I'm not talking about my attitude toward rudeness and I don't hold grudges.  I understand that at times, tempers flare and I don't believe in disciplining every instance of rudeness.  There are some instances that need to be dealt with but a bit of temper now and then isn't something to make a case about every time.  Still, I do believe that such incidents should be addressed with warnings or admonitions.  It's too easy for rudeness to become more common if it is left unanswered. 
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 08:39 pm, Gene wrote:
I'm saying as a general matter, that if someone is going to be rude, it's not a good idea to be rude to a moderator whether the moderator is writing as a moderator or not simply because if you antagonize the wrong one, you may have problems.

 And I'm saying if that's what actually occurs in practice your group will be deader than a doornail in no time flat.

You are essentially making my very point for me.  If the feeling is, "you may have problems," if you treat a moderator just like you would any other member, at least presuming that the first person you is not a complete jerk, then the moderator is misbehaving.  I don't know of anyone who hasn't been rude at some point in their lives, whether in person or online.  Sometimes it's justified and sometimes it's noe.

I also think that the emphasis that's put on "not being rude" in some of these groups is so detached from reality as we each live it daily as to be laughable.  I think I do a pretty good job of not being rude while at the same time being very direct when I think that's necessary.  If some ticks me off online and I think it necessary I will  respond to it in kind and other times I just ignore it.  Responding in kind is not a disaster when it occurs nor an indication of the beginning of the end, a reflection on the group as a whole, nor anything else of the sort.  It's two people (or sometimes more) having a brief disagreement and life moves on.

Long ago, in a group far, far away, someone put it much better than I did above:

I flat-out refuse to treat each and every post as some kind of deep and meaningful statement from the nether regions of my psyche about the real meaning of Truth, and I will not meditate, fast and pray about the deepest implications of each before I hit 'Send'.     ~ Scott Carpenter, 18 Jun 2001

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: running filters on messages in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Ron,


What I'm asking is how do you run a filter on amessage you want to go to the proper folder? Even though I created the message rule for this list, I'm still having messages go to the inbox.


Rosemarie

On 3/24/2017 9:28 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Rosemary,


With thunderbird, this process is quite simple.


1. Create your folder by highlighting the tree view of folders, making sure you are at the level desired for the filter creation and use the right click menu to choose new folder and type in a name and press return.

2. Then from the main window, press alt + T for tools, F for filters, tab once to new and press space bar and a standard dialogue opens where you fill in your pertinent information.


This is much easier than some older programs like Outlook Express where when in the filter creation process, the interface was such that you had to do a lot of routing of PC to review or JAWS and so on to choose the contains or does not contain and the folder choices.



On 3/24/2017 11:16 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

How do you run a filter when you get a message in thunderbird? I created my rule for this list but can't get the messages to go in the proper folder.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie






Re: running filters on messages in thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Rosemary,


With thunderbird, this process is quite simple.


1. Create your folder by highlighting the tree view of folders, making sure you are at the level desired for the filter creation and use the right click menu to choose new folder and type in a name and press return.

2. Then from the main window, press alt + T for tools, F for filters, tab once to new and press space bar and a standard dialogue opens where you fill in your pertinent information.


This is much easier than some older programs like Outlook Express where when in the filter creation process, the interface was such that you had to do a lot of routing of PC to review or JAWS and so on to choose the contains or does not contain and the folder choices.

On 3/24/2017 11:16 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

How do you run a filter when you get a message in thunderbird? I created my rule for this list but can't get the messages to go in the proper folder.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie




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Re: My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Fernando and Ryan,
Thanks for the kind words, and also, Ryan, do you mind sharing the
link to your Facebook page in that case, preferably offlist?
Thanks.

On 3/25/17, Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...> wrote:
I just posted this to my FaceBook page.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
wrote:

Dear all,
Here's sharing about a blog post I recently published on my new blog
named 'Hiking Across Horizons' located at
bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/. Apart from the one about NVDA, there are
others pertaining to various topics which you may feel free to check
out. I would sincerely appreciate any and all feedback, and do spread
the word about HAH and follow the blog via e-mail. For now though...

‘Is it right for visually impaired people across the globe to suffer
and remain seemingly incapable due to inevitable financial
constraints? This was the question that Michael Curran and James Teh,
two blind Australian programmers, asked themselves.’
The open source and community-driven NVDA screen reader #NVDASR
engineered by the Australian non-profit NV Access is the candid answer
to many of those questions I am frequently asked – ‘How do you study
in school and give your exams?’ and ‘But then how do you use a
computer?’ I consider nothing better to shed light on these enquiries
than writing a series of posts on my new blog ‘Hiking Across Horizons’
detailing the assistive technologies I use on a day-to-day basis.
Presenting to you thus is my 2016 contribution to the Insight Braille
magazine about ‘The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement’!
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/the-non-visual-desktop-access-movement-assistive-technology-life-transforming-nvda-you-me/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

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Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




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Avid Enthusiast and User of the Free NVDA Screen Reader (www.nvaccess.org)

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 08:39 pm, Gene wrote:
I'm saying as a general matter, that if someone is going to be rude, it's not a good idea to be rude to a moderator whether the moderator is writing as a moderator or not simply because if you antagonize the wrong one, you may have problems.

 And I'm saying if that's what actually occurs in practice your group will be deader than a doornail in no time flat.

You are essentially making my very point for me.  If the feeling is, "you may have problems," if you treat a moderator just like you would any other member, at least presuming that the first person you is not a complete jerk, then the moderator is misbehaving.  I don't know of anyone who hasn't been rude at some point in their lives, whether in person or online.  Sometimes it's justified and sometimes it's noe.

I also think that the emphasis that's put on "not being rude" in some of these groups is so detached from reality as we each live it daily as to be laughable.  I think I do a pretty good job of not being rude while at the same time being very direct when I think that's necessary.  If some ticks me off online and I think it necessary I will  respond to it in kind and other times I just ignore it.  Responding in kind is not a disaster when it occurs nor an indication of the beginning of the end, a reflection on the group as a whole, nor anything else of the sort.  It's two people (or sometimes more) having a brief disagreement and life moves on.

Long ago, in a group far, far away, someone put it much better than I did above:

I flat-out refuse to treat each and every post as some kind of deep and meaningful statement from the nether regions of my psyche about the real meaning of Truth, and I will not meditate, fast and pray about the deepest implications of each before I hit 'Send'.     ~ Scott Carpenter, 18 Jun 2001

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

That's not what I'm saying.  I am not asking for special treatment when I write as a list member.  I'm saying as a general matter, that if someone is going to be rude, it's not a good idea to be rude to a moderator whether the moderator is writing as a moderator or not simply because if you antagonize the wrong one, you may have problems.  That's all I'm saying.  I said that
I don't expect special treatment.  If someone is rude, the same level of rudeness will get them in trouble no matter whom they are rude to.  And if I deal with someone who is rude to me I'll deal with them exactly the same way as if they were rude to anyone else. 
 
I don't know what you are referring to as being curt and refusing to integrate criticism.  I'm always opened to constructive criticism.  If it seems reasonable and as though I should change whatever is being criticized, I'll do it.  If you find examples of me not being civil, let me know and I'll consider them.  . 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:29 pm, Gene wrote:
Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.

What follows Gene is not personal, nor limited to this situation, but is a general observation from years of having been on forums.

My answer to your first question is, "No."  If moderators don't know that they are not "the special elect" and they're behaving as though they're supposed to receive special respect outside the role they need to be disabused of that notion immediately, if not sooner.   As soon as a moderator puts himself or herself into a special class above the membership when they are not acting as a moderator, but as another group member, troubles are going to ensue - generally because the "enforcer tendency" comes to the fore.  I should not have to have any more respect for the moderator than I do for any other member when they are not exercising their role as a moderator.  The generic, and very old, rhetorical question, "What makes you think you're so special?," comes to the fore.  One should not fear a moderator, nor treat them any differently than one does any other group member.  A good moderator makes assiduous efforts to avoid creating a situation where other group members have to feel any hesitation to say what they would have said to them as another group member because they fear them.  If you have a case where members fear owners or moderators I can assure you that a group is in its death spiral, be that a slow one or very rapid one, unless that situation can be reversed.  (Substitute group owner for moderator at will in the above and it still applies).

What follows is directed at you, and I've said it in public to you before, so it's not specific to this thread:  You sometimes come across as curt and brusque to others even when you do not believe you are doing so.  When called out about it you actively resist integrating the feedback you've been given.

I've also had the similar exchanges with Chris, so I'm equal opportunity.

By the way, I'm in agreement with the folks who have said that the use of Excel for the purpose Chris originally outlines is, to put it mildly, ill-suited.  At the same time I've been in the same shoes as Chris, where I don't get to make that decision, and what I was asking about wasn't an opinion on suitability, but just about how something works that I'm being forced to use, even if there are far better tools for a given job.  Being lit into when that's the case tends to get one's dander up.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



running filters on messages in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

How do you run a filter when you get a message in thunderbird? I created my rule for this list but can't get the messages to go in the proper folder.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Re: My Blog Post: The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement

Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...>
 

I just posted this to my FaceBook page.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,
Here's sharing about a blog post I recently published on my new blog
named 'Hiking Across Horizons' located at
bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/. Apart from the one about NVDA, there are
others pertaining to various topics which you may feel free to check
out. I would sincerely appreciate any and all feedback, and do spread
the word about HAH and follow the blog via e-mail. For now though...

‘Is it right for visually impaired people across the globe to suffer
and remain seemingly incapable due to inevitable financial
constraints? This was the question that Michael Curran and James Teh,
two blind Australian programmers, asked themselves.’
The open source and community-driven NVDA screen reader #NVDASR
engineered by the Australian non-profit NV Access is the candid answer
to many of those questions I am frequently asked – ‘How do you study
in school and give your exams?’ and ‘But then how do you use a
computer?’ I consider nothing better to shed light on these enquiries
than writing a series of posts on my new blog ‘Hiking Across Horizons’
detailing the assistive technologies I use on a day-to-day basis.
Presenting to you thus is my 2016 contribution to the Insight Braille
magazine about ‘The Non Visual Desktop Access Movement’!
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/the-non-visual-desktop-access-movement-assistive-technology-life-transforming-nvda-you-me/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:29 pm, Gene wrote:
Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.

What follows Gene is not personal, nor limited to this situation, but is a general observation from years of having been on forums.

My answer to your first question is, "No."  If moderators don't know that they are not "the special elect" and they're behaving as though they're supposed to receive special respect outside the role they need to be disabused of that notion immediately, if not sooner.   As soon as a moderator puts himself or herself into a special class above the membership when they are not acting as a moderator, but as another group member, troubles are going to ensue - generally because the "enforcer tendency" comes to the fore.  I should not have to have any more respect for the moderator than I do for any other member when they are not exercising their role as a moderator.  The generic, and very old, rhetorical question, "What makes you think you're so special?," comes to the fore.  One should not fear a moderator, nor treat them any differently than one does any other group member.  A good moderator makes assiduous efforts to avoid creating a situation where other group members have to feel any hesitation to say what they would have said to them as another group member because they fear them.  If you have a case where members fear owners or moderators I can assure you that a group is in its death spiral, be that a slow one or very rapid one, unless that situation can be reversed.  (Substitute group owner for moderator at will in the above and it still applies).

What follows is directed at you, and I've said it in public to you before, so it's not specific to this thread:  You sometimes come across as curt and brusque to others even when you do not believe you are doing so.  When called out about it you actively resist integrating the feedback you've been given.

I've also had the similar exchanges with Chris, so I'm equal opportunity.

By the way, I'm in agreement with the folks who have said that the use of Excel for the purpose Chris originally outlines is, to put it mildly, ill-suited.  At the same time I've been in the same shoes as Chris, where I don't get to make that decision, and what I was asking about wasn't an opinion on suitability, but just about how something works that I'm being forced to use, even if there are far better tools for a given job.  Being lit into when that's the case tends to get one's dander up.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

And in case there is any confusion because I mistakenly mixed my comments, I am not singling out rudeness towards me.  I was writing as a list member before I sent the mixed comments.  I mean rudeness as displayed to me and the others in the thread with no extra attention to what you wrote to me. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

I'm willing to admit that I was wrong.  I should have said that as a moderator, I'm stating that such rudeness in future won't be tolerated.  I shouldn't have mixed the comments.  But you know that I'm a moderator, something which I remembered after I sent the message.  We discussed something a few months ago with me speaking as moderator.  Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Brian Vogel wrote:

the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene.

Chris.



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

I'm willing to admit that I was wrong.  I should have said that as a moderator, I'm stating that such rudeness in future won't be tolerated.  I shouldn't have mixed the comments.  But you know that I'm a moderator, something which I remembered after I sent the message.  We discussed something a few months ago with me speaking as moderator.  Don't you think it's a bad idea to display such rudeness to a moderator even if he's not writing in the capacity of a moderator?  I don't hold ggrudges but it's bad policy to take a chance on antagonizing a moderator.  Just as it's bad policy to be rude to a list owner even if he's not writing as a list owner.  It's just common sense.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Brian Vogel wrote:

the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene.

Chris.



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

I have to agree 100%. That was indeed utterly offensive, Gene.

Chris.


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

That may be.  I have only moderated this one list and only for about six months and I have never seen any guidelines on moderation. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:23 pm, Gene wrote:
Perhaps you didn't know that I am a moderator.  All the more reason to be civil on lists since you don't know who you are bumping heads with. 

Being a moderator means nothing, absolutely nothing, when you are not "in the role" at the moment.  When you're participating in a thread you are a member, period.

I'm not defending Chris at all.  Using the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

You, and any other moderator, are just a group member except when you are carrying out the duties of the role.
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Brian

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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:23 pm, Gene wrote:
Perhaps you didn't know that I am a moderator.  All the more reason to be civil on lists since you don't know who you are bumping heads with. 

Being a moderator means nothing, absolutely nothing, when you are not "in the role" at the moment.  When you're participating in a thread you are a member, period.

I'm not defending Chris at all.  Using the "I'm a moderator" card when what you are doing in a given thread is not moderating is utterly offensive and most group owners will promptly call their moderators into line if they do so.

You, and any other moderator, are just a group member except when you are carrying out the duties of the role.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Arlene
 

It is. it’s used for spread sheets. For example. If you are working in an office. You use it for payroll and other flo charts such as budget. I tried it in my boss’s office.  He installed NVDA on the computer. He has it not start when the computer starts up.  I don’t know how to use excel. He took me to it or I’ll say another co-worker took me to payroll and where excel will be used.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: March-23-17 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Thank you for that information, Arlene.

 

Once I had the chance to get by a PC which had NVDA on it, I gave it a try. You're defiitely correct regarding it being usable. I'm actually quite impressed. Anyway, again, thanks for the help. Stay warm. Hopefully you're not getting the cold front we just got here near Charlotte NC. LOL!

 

God bless.

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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:48 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet  not for documents.  Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March-22-17 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.

 

On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.

 

The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.

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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.

 



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Re: Symbol dialogue in MS Word 2016

Marco Oros
 

So, in the new word, NVDA doesn't read me name of symbols, like for example in Word 2010.