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Can someone help me get on the announce list? I couldn’t find it in the few emails that I have saved. Thanks. Cindy
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Weather Plus not available?
HI guys Any ideas or if you guys have the problem of either with NVDAShift+w or NVDA+w, Weather Plus keeps on saying this function is not available? I'm using Weather Plus version Weather Plus; 3.4 18.01.2016; Autor: Storm Dragon - Patrik ZAJDA and Adriano Barbieri <adrianobarb@yahoo.it>. 23 de 23 -- Enviado desde mi lap Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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Re: Google Chrome Settings
For what it's worth, the inaccessible about page in
the current production release version of Chrome is accessible with
Window-eyes. Also, you can use quick navigation keys in settings with
Window-eyes. If you already have Window-eyes installed, you may want to
use it for these purposes. If you don't, by the time you install it
and set it up as you wish you will probably have done far more work than
just going through the inconvenience of tabbing through the settings
page.
Gene
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Re: prevent pages from refreshing
That may be a region of the page and I don't know
enough about the subject to know if that should cause the same behavior in NVDA
as a full screen refresh. In other words, I don't know whether that should
make the screen-reader return to the top of the page and start reading from the
top. If this behavior is different for different people, why? Does
it depend on the browser, on the version of NVDA, on both? We may need
more information to assist the developers in reproducing or analyzing the
problem. Of course, the developers might want to explore the matter
themselves with various pages but more information might be very
useful.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
I think I figured out what is refreshing. He do has some Twitter
stuff. I went back a while later on yesterday and did sit on the site and I did
see the feed refresh every so often.
On 3/26/2016 4:02 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
I was able to navigate below issue and didn't observe any
auto-refreshing issues. I did see some links/images that had no/bad labels,
but no other accessibility issue.
Kevin here is one. If any of you are
fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot. www.rick.com
On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of
sites?
Hi,
Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb
Gene <gsasner@...>:
>
Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
Internet
> Explorer?
That's the option. But it is pretty
cumbersome to activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came
across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the
site, and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of
course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you
can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list
etc.
So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful
when you came
across such a site.
Yours
sincerely
Arno
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using NVDA with the facebook website?
Hi,
I have been trying to use the facebook website. I am totally confused about how to do things like posting things and making comments to friends' posts. How do you do this with a screen reader and especially NVDA?
Are there shortcuts or something that I should be using?
Thanks.
Dan Beaver
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Re: prevent pages from refreshing
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
That's exactly what I mean Pete. I'm not geek so I can't explain what this is to the DEV's.
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On 3/27/2016 8:26 AM, Pete wrote:
I know this happens, I haven't come across it for some time now.
What you are talking about is
you will be reading a block of text and you will only get a few seconds to read it before the page refreshes and every thing goes wonky.
rite?
I think if we could all work on a consistent description of what exactly the problem is it would be easier for the dev people to nail it down.
Pete
On 3/26/2016 4:43 PM, Mallard wrote:
Now then,
The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs. They call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else that I can't remember now.
I provided an example of a site
www.esselungaacasa.it
But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see that particular area of the sit.
Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the Accessible section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...
Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom Scientific's pm 40 3.70 braille display.
Ollie
Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com
On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> wrote:
Hi,
Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>:
> Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
Internet
> Explorer?
That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and simply
press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't log
in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.
So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
you came
across such a site.
Yours sincerely
Arno
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Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox
On 27-Mar-16 16:59, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hello,
While I have been able to get hangouts.google.com
to work for making a video call, I haven't been able to
get any of the shortcut keys to work
Are you in focus mode?
Certainly.
Please see the prior message, however commands to enable and disable
the camera, mute and others that also perform browser-specific
functions conflict.
If they are supposed
to work in the Hangouts Chrome app, that app doesn't seem
to be accessible with NVDA.
I will do some more testing with this tomorrow assuming as I can
find somebody to hang out with, but the commands didn't seem to work
here in general, and for sure the browser-specific ones did not.
This was when using hangouts.google.com with both Chrome and
Firefox.
On 3/27/2016 4:29 PM, Governor staten wrote:
Thanks for that note, as it is something I should
have mentioned.
On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Note:
This seems to be specific to Firefox, as Governor was
able to make a Hangouts video call to me using
Internet Explorer. The plugin also installs fine
with Chrome and Safari.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:37 PM
Governor staten < govsta@...>
wrote:
I"ve
tried to do this multiple times. It doesn't seem
to work. How do I
know this, you ask? I try to make a video call,
and it keeps tkaing me
to the plugin install page. I install it, and it
sits there saying it
needs to be verified.
While I"m at it, it appears Webvisum is now
disabled. I can't remember
why they say it is. I"m running the latest version
of Firefox. Any help,
ideas, or whatever would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox
Hello,
Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these issues
are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins
wrote:
Hi
Nimer
Just
a few questions:
Can
I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can enable
while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
What
is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.
What
is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked
What
is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked
I
have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the
browser
The
quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages
with eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the
settings page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the
Canary settings page.
The
chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
Cheers
Chris
From: Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
Sent: 27 March 2016 22:37
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a
try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
Unfortunately,
Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I wish it
didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others
are read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two
screen reading packages running. When navigating the web and
going to a new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a
new page loads, otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content
on the page. When doing a search on the Google page and when
navigating around Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by
heading only works sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I
again press tab to force it to get back to the content. The
sign-in process in Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to
use Window-eyes to get it to read the content. JAWS was also
unable to read it. And I will post another thread about this,
but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts app seems to
be totally inaccessible to next branches of NVDA and Canary.
And the keyboard shortcuts that Google outlines in their
manual at https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1
don't work when navigating to hangouts.google.com, and the
article doesn't specify where exactly these shortcuts are
supposed to work. Actually many hotkeys that Google outlines
interfere with browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy
to transition to using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful,
but that would mean a huge loss of productivity for me. So if
you have been able to get Chrome to work more reliably, I am
interested in which version of Chrome and which version of
NVDA, as well as any settings changes that you have made for
your specific set-up. If this is localized to just me, I am
willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers
Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only
improvement I have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA reads
out a few additional menu items that it wasn't reading before.
I might try resetting Chrome back to default settings and
removing all plugins to see if that has any effect, but this
installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm not sure if that
will help or not.
Thanks.
On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle
wrote:
Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth
Scott
On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley
wrote:
My
problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able
to use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen
to something, I get a message telling me that the
Adobe flash plugin has crashed. This particular
plugin is up to date and I have been having this
problem since early December. I know this is not
anNVDA issue but would be greatful if anyone has
any ideas on how I can sort this out. I have been
using Firefox as my primary browser now for nearly
9 and a half years.
Sent:
Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
Subject:
Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in
current Firefox
I've in
firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
El
27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:
I see no
problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can
help improve firefox performace and that pretty
helps.
Kevin
Chao 於
27/3/2016
10:13 寫道:
One
of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.
On
Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...>
wrote:
I
noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.
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Re: prevent pages from refreshing
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
I think I figured out what is refreshing. He do has some Twitter
stuff. I went back a while later on yesterday and did sit on the
site and I did see the feed refresh every so often.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 3/26/2016 4:02 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
I was able to navigate below issue and didn't
observe any auto-refreshing issues. I did see some links/images
that had no/bad labels, but no other accessibility issue.
Kevin here is one. If
any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 his
site refreshes a lot.
www.rick.com
On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Can someone please provide examples of thes
type of sites?
Hi,
Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:
> Are you referring to the setting concerning
metarefresh in Internet
> Explorer?
That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to
activate and deactivate
this option anytime you came across such a site.
In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site,
and simply press
letter s again to set it free again.
And of course it is no solution to keep the
metarefresh option deactivated,
because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e.
you can't log in some
site, can't select list items in a list etc.
So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty
helpful when you came
across such a site.
Yours sincerely
Arno
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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox
On 27-Mar-16 16:56, Kevin Chao wrote:
Unfortunately, Chrome
accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I wish it didn't.
I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the strangeness
that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu items
are not read out by NVDA,
Which menu items specifically? Could you provide a couple
of examples?
When going to any website, pressing the alt key ought to open up the
Chrome application menu or whatever it is called. When this menu
opens, the following options are announced: New Tab, New Window, New
Incognito Window, History, Downloads, Bookmarks, and a menu item
simply called "zoom". I believe these options are for making text
larger and smaller, however the next three options are not
announced. Then we have print, cast, find, more tools, and then we
arrive at something called "edit". With Chromevox, I am able to
discern that these are the options for cut, copy and paste, however
these options are not announced with NVDA. The final options are
announced starting with settings, going to help and then exit.
but are by Chromevox.
Others are read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't
want two screen reading packages running. When navigating
the web and going to a new web page, I seem to have to
push tab after a new page loads, otherwise NVDA doesn't
seem to see the content on the page.
Is this with *any* page or *specific ones?
This happens with any page. To reproduce, open Canary. Navigate to
the address bar. Type in a URL and press enter. Expected result is
that a user can immediately begin navigating the loaded page after
that page is loaded on screen. Actual result is that a user must
press the "TAB" key to put focus on the content before a user can
navigate through the page. By navigation, I am speaking of using the
arrow keys to read content, or using quick navigational commands to
jump to various elements on the page such as a heading or a check
box.
When doing a search on
the Google page and when navigating around Chrome in
general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up
Is there a pattern to when this occurs?
This generally happens after the first or second press of H command,
and it happens after a page has been first loaded. To reproduce,
navigate to the Google website and search for any query. Once
pressing enter, press H for headings. If you keep on moving down the
page by headings, the page invariably locks up after the second or
third press of the H command. There isn't any way to reliably
reproduce, but it seems to be a similar issue with the web content
hanging after a new page loads.
until I again press
tab to force it to get back to the content. The sign-in
process in Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use
Window-eyes to get it to read the content. JAWS was also
unable to read it. And I will post another thread about
this, but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts
app seems to be totally inaccessible to next branches of
NVDA and Canary.
Was the Hangouts app accessible in NVDA release and
Chrome stable? I use the Hangouts integrated in Gmail.
Unfortunately I don't remember if it was, but it appears that the
Hangouts app uses web content that is somehow not visible to NVDA.
This is the same issue with attempting to install an application
from the Chrome web store that sometimes pops up, and appears to be
the same exact issue I ran into when attempting to sign in with
Canary for the first time with my Google creds. I believe this is an
issue with how NVDA perceives Chrome dialogs.
There are different sets of keyboard shortcuts on that
page: ones for while in a video call and others for when
chatting.
I apologize, I meant whether those shortcuts are supposed to work
while using the Hangouts Chrome application, the Hangouts website
via hangouts.google.com or Hangouts via Gmail.
Actually many hotkeys
that Google outlines interfere with browser-specific
hotkeys.
Which ones conflict? Q to search for chat, H > C to go
to conversation list, Esc to focus chat window, etc. work
for Hangout/screen readers.
These don't seem to work for me on hangouts.google.com and the
hotkeys that conflict would be commands such as control+E which
navigates to the search box or the navigation bar in some browsers,
and control+D which activates Bookmark creation in some browsers.
So I would be happy to
transition to using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful,
but that would mean a huge loss of productivity for me.
I'm hoping to have a better understanding of these pain
points, so bugs could be filed, and feedback could be
provided to Chrome/Hangouts accessibility...
So if you have been
able to get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested
in which version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as
well as any settings changes that you have made for your
specific set-up. If this is localized to just me, I am
willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers
Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only
improvement I have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA
reads out a few additional menu items that it wasn't
reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that
has any effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty
new, so I'm not sure if that will help or not.
This is an excellent message that covers lots of areas in
detail, so thanks for it! Hope to continue the conversation!
:)
Thanks.
On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth
Scott
On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My problem with Firefox is that I am no
longer able to use the BBC iplayer. Every time I
try to listen to something, I get a message
telling me that the Adobe flash plugin has
crashed. This particular plugin is up to date
and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but
would be greatful if anyone has any ideas on how
I can sort this out. I have been using Firefox
as my primary browser now for nearly 9 and a
half years.
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016
1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox
I've
in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai,
William escribió:
I see no problem with
NVDA. I recommend you go onto google and
search for about:config
that can help improve firefox performace and
that pretty helps.
Kevin Chao 於 27/3/2016 10:13 寫道:
One of Chrome's
strengths is performance...I experience 0%
lag with MVDA when interacting with modern
web apps.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at
5:11 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon < supanut2000@...>
wrote:
I noticed
performance issues with Firefox as well,
but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not
having any addons installed.
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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox
Hi Nimer Just a few questions: Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary? What is ChromeVox? What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog? What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog? What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog? I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page. The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries. Cheers Chris
From: Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
Sent: 27 March 2016 22:37
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads, otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts that Google outlines in their manual at https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't work when navigating to hangouts.google.com, and the article doesn't specify where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm not sure if that will help or not.
Thanks. On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote: Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth
Scott On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote: My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up to date and I have been having this problem since early December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now for nearly 9 and a half years. Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine. El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William escribió: I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto google and search for about:config that can help improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
Kevin Chao 於 27/3/2016 10:13 寫道: One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with modern web apps. On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote: I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.
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Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
It would be a cool check box to have:
check-box --- update to snapshot versions?
May be at the 20 year mark of nvda.
Pete
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 3/27/2016 5:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Oh yeah, I didn't mean remove the update option to a normal build. I was just simply meaning to add the option to update to a snapshot from within the app if desired. In no way was I suggesting to remove the ability to update to the next official non snapshop build. I agree. That would be a very stupid thing to do.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete" <emac00@cogeco.ca>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.
Pete
On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:
You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.
On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check for
snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using the
normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete
On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic" <list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some
kind of notification would be apresiated.
Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.
On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that
automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web
site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for
checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds
when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox
Hi
I first installed the hangouts software with the fire fox browser
closed. it's called google voice and video setup.
I downloaded it and installed it.
Next open fire fox and go to
google hangouts
the address is:
https://hangouts.google.com/
this is a page wear one can log in start a voice or video call.
I was trying to download the hangouts for desktop application, it
apparently does not exist. got sent to google voice and video setup
program when I clicked on it.
I need to sign up with google before I can use hangouts.
I have the google voice and video program zipped to gvavs.zip and
uploaded to send space if any one wants it for fire fox. The
password is google and the link is below:
gvavs.zip
Pete
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Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox
Hello,
While I have been able to get hangouts.google.com to work for making
a video call, I haven't been able to get any of the shortcut keys to
work Are you in focus mode? Which ones conflict? If they are supposed to
work in the Hangouts Chrome app, that app doesn't seem to be
accessible with NVDA.
On 3/27/2016 4:29 PM, Governor staten
wrote:
Thanks for that note, as it is something I should have
mentioned.
On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, Kevin Chao
wrote:
Note:
This seems to be specific to Firefox, as Governor
was able to make a Hangouts video call to me using
Internet Explorer. The plugin also installs fine with
Chrome and Safari.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:37 PM Governor staten
< govsta@...>
wrote:
I"ve tried
to do this multiple times. It doesn't seem to work. How do I
know this, you ask? I try to make a video call, and it keeps
tkaing me
to the plugin install page. I install it, and it sits there
saying it
needs to be verified.
While I"m at it, it appears Webvisum is now disabled. I
can't remember
why they say it is. I"m running the latest version of
Firefox. Any help,
ideas, or whatever would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox
Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu items
are not read out by NVDA, Which menu items specifically? Could you provide a couple of examples? but are by Chromevox. Others are read out
by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen reading
packages running. When navigating the web and going to a new web
page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads, otherwise
NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page.
Is this with *any* page or *specific ones? When doing a
search on the Google page and when navigating around Chrome in
general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works sometimes, but
sometimes locks up
Is there a pattern to when this occurs? until I again press tab to force it to get back
to the content. The sign-in process in Chrome does not work with
NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to get it to read the content.
JAWS was also unable to read it. And I will post another thread
about this, but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts app
seems to be totally inaccessible to next branches of NVDA and
Canary.
Was the Hangouts app accessible in NVDA release and Chrome stable? I use the Hangouts integrated in Gmail. There are different sets of keyboard shortcuts on that page: ones for while in a video call and others for when chatting. Actually many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys.
Which ones conflict? Q to search for chat, H > C to go to conversation list, Esc to focus chat window, etc. work for Hangout/screen readers. So I would be happy to transition to using
Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean a huge
loss of productivity for me.
I'm hoping to have a better understanding of these pain points, so bugs could be filed, and feedback could be provided to Chrome/Hangouts accessibility... So if you have been able to get Chrome
to work more reliably, I am interested in which version of Chrome
and which version of NVDA, as well as any settings changes that you
have made for your specific set-up. If this is localized to just me,
I am willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers
Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only improvement I
have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional
menu items that it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting
Chrome back to default settings and removing all plugins to see if
that has any effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new,
so I'm not sure if that will help or not.
This is an excellent message that covers lots of areas in detail, so thanks for it! Hope to continue the conversation! :)
Thanks.
On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle
wrote:
Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth
Scott
On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley
wrote:
My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe flash
plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up to date
and I have been having this problem since early December.
I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be greatful if
anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this out. I have
been using Firefox as my primary browser now for nearly 9
and a half years.
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox
I've
in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr.
Wong Chi Wai, William escribió:
I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you
go onto google and search for about:config
that can help improve firefox performace and that pretty
helps.
Kevin Chao 於 27/3/2016
10:13 寫道:
One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with
modern web apps.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM
Supanut Leepaisomboon < supanut2000@...>
wrote:
I noticed
performance issues with Firefox as well, but not
just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on
Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to
perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.
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Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox
Hello,
While I have been able to get hangouts.google.com to work for making
a video call, I haven't been able to get any of the shortcut keys to
work as are described in
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 and I'm not
really sure where these shortcuts are supposed to work. They
interfere with browser-specific hotkeys. If they are supposed to
work in the Hangouts Chrome app, that app doesn't seem to be
accessible with NVDA.
On 3/27/2016 4:29 PM, Governor staten
wrote:
Thanks for that note, as it is something I should have
mentioned.
On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, Kevin Chao
wrote:
Note:
This seems to be specific to Firefox, as Governor
was able to make a Hangouts video call to me using
Internet Explorer. The plugin also installs fine with
Chrome and Safari.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:37 PM Governor staten
< govsta@...>
wrote:
I"ve tried
to do this multiple times. It doesn't seem to work. How do I
know this, you ask? I try to make a video call, and it keeps
tkaing me
to the plugin install page. I install it, and it sits there
saying it
needs to be verified.
While I"m at it, it appears Webvisum is now disabled. I
can't remember
why they say it is. I"m running the latest version of
Firefox. Any help,
ideas, or whatever would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox
Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu items
are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are read out
by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen reading
packages running. When navigating the web and going to a new web
page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads, otherwise
NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When doing a
search on the Google page and when navigating around Chrome in
general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works sometimes, but
sometimes locks up until I again press tab to force it to get back
to the content. The sign-in process in Chrome does not work with
NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to get it to read the content.
JAWS was also unable to read it. And I will post another thread
about this, but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts app
seems to be totally inaccessible to next branches of NVDA and
Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts that Google outlines in their
manual at https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1
don't work when navigating to hangouts.google.com, and the article
doesn't specify where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work.
Actually many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to using
Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean a huge
loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to get Chrome
to work more reliably, I am interested in which version of Chrome
and which version of NVDA, as well as any settings changes that you
have made for your specific set-up. If this is localized to just me,
I am willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers
Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only improvement I
have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional
menu items that it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting
Chrome back to default settings and removing all plugins to see if
that has any effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new,
so I'm not sure if that will help or not.
Thanks.
On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle
wrote:
Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth
Scott
On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley
wrote:
My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe flash
plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up to date
and I have been having this problem since early December.
I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be greatful if
anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this out. I have
been using Firefox as my primary browser now for nearly 9
and a half years.
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox
I've
in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr.
Wong Chi Wai, William escribió:
I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you
go onto google and search for about:config
that can help improve firefox performace and that pretty
helps.
Kevin Chao 於 27/3/2016
10:13 寫道:
One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with
modern web apps.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM
Supanut Leepaisomboon < supanut2000@...>
wrote:
I noticed
performance issues with Firefox as well, but not
just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on
Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to
perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.
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Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
I don't think the snapshot will update itself, no. It'll still ask if you wish to carry the update through. It's not gonna do anything without your intervention.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete" <emac00@cogeco.ca> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Hi Joseph
1. Correct me if I am wrong.
If I have nvda snapshot latest installed now, then say 4 or five days go by and a new snapshot is released the nvda snapshot I am currently using will update to the newer snapshot.
2. I was thinking about moving the donate item into the help about page from help menu.
Pete
On 3/27/2016 3:44 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
1. Yes, each branch knows which update branch to use.
2. No, I'm in favor of keeping it (and this is useful as a good reminder as to how nVDA funding works and to state the fact that NV Access relies on grants and donations).
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:19 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Hi Joseph
Are you saying each branch updates itself from it's own branch?
A second question is can the donate menu item be removed from nvda's menu?
Pete
On 3/27/2016 2:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,
Let me give you a "backstage tour" regarding this issue and why the suggestion will not be implemented:
As you may know by now, NV Access produces at least three branches: rc (release candidate), master, and next. The rc branch is where the stable (and official) releases happen, master is perpetual beta, and next is alpha-level code (bleeding-edge). For those using Chrome (or are reading the Chrome thread) may have noticed a similar pattern: Canary is equivalent to NVDA next (alpha-level code and is built nightly), dev and beta are equivalent to NVDA master, and the release that gets used by many users is equivalent to NVDA stable build.
Sometimes, NV Access or others may produce other snapshots. In the past, NV Access was known for producing snapshots from branches that required public testing (such as feedback when entering Asian characters). At one point, I have produced third-party snapshots, ranging from Windows 10 support, support for newer processor instructions, initial support for Outlook Calendar, and most recently, UEB tests (my snapshots, unlike those of NV Access, does not support updates).
When we produce snapshots, we assume the following:
* Many people are using stable builds.
* Using a snapshot means more bugs.
* When users are installing snapshots, they do so either because they are adventurous or would like to test upcoming features.
Regarding the last point, in order to move from stable build to development branches and vice versa, you need to download and install the desired build in question. This is because of the following:
* NVDA keeps a record of the branch it should query when connecting to NV Access server to retrieve updates. You can "fool" NVDA to download a different snapshot via code, but it won't work (this record is constant and will revert back to its original string once NVDA restarts).
* When NVDA checks for updates, it'll check the branch in question, and will present the update prompt if the version you've got is different than that of the one hosted on the server.
* Unless silenced, NVDA will check for updates every 24 hours.
Thus, when "changing" branches, you need to do this willingly. Because snapshots are reserved for a specific audience (although stable build users could try them out), the user interface for specifying branches will not be implemented.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.
Pete
On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:
You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.
On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check
for snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using
the normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete
On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic"
<list@masic.se>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least
some kind of notification would be apresiated.
Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.
On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd
not think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1, to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools,
that automatically like downloading updates would let the user
download and install the latest snapshot build rather than them
having to go out to the web site and manually get it. Either
that, or maybe under the General tab of preferences, where you
have the box to check or uncheck for checking for updates, maybe
have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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