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Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I wonder if sometimes the webmail queue is full when pop3 is empty. I noticed this the other day on a google account where the web stuff seemed not to bedeleted when the pop3 clearly is.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Such" <michel.such@free.fr>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


I often get this message too.



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Le 2017-04-02 à 11:18, Gene a écrit :
I don't know why you are getting the bouncing message and I see no
connection to spam. If many or most list members got such messages,
there would be a torrent of inquiries. On another e-groups list I am
on, a memgber got such a message recently but when he asked about it
no one, or maybe one other person asked about such a message perhaps a
day later. I don't know if you are bouncing mail for some reason or
not but because no one or perhaps one other person has asked about
this on the list, it isn't a general problem.
Gene
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*Sent:* Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:14 AM
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*Subject:* [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly
around
the time of some unspotted spam from wherever. Could it be that the
server
I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt is
always
refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd expect
others
to get this message and lose emails from this list.


Brian

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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


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Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Michel Such
 

I often get this message too.



                    Michel SUCH

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Le 2017-04-02 à 11:18, Gene a écrit :

I don't know why you are getting the bouncing message and I see no connection to spam.  If many or most list members got such messages, there would be a torrent of inquiries.  On another e-groups list I am on, a memgber got such a message recently but when he asked about it no one, or maybe one other person asked about such a message perhaps a day later.  I don't know if you are bouncing mail for some reason or not but because no one or perhaps one other person has asked about this on the list, it isn't a general problem.
 
Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly around
the time of some unspotted  spam from  wherever. Could it be that the server
I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt is always
refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd expect others
to get this message and lose  emails from this list.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


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Re: Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and Kindle for PC

James AUSTIN
 

Hello

Thanks for the tip Travis. Interestingly all of the books I purchase have Enhanced Typesetting enabled.

Take care

James

On 02/04/2017 09:33, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I am finding the same situation. The books I'm trying to read (at least some of them) are compatible with screen readers, but they aren't read. Here you have a free book to test this. If anyone could help, I would appreciate it (change the .es part if you aren't from Spain).

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B01FLMWTAA/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title

Thanks,

Sukil




El 02/04/2017 a las 5:04, Kwork escribió:
Yes. You have to look on the page of the book for something called Enhanced
Typesetting. If it is enabled, you should be able to read the book. Not all
books have this feature. If Enhanced Typesetting is not enabled, you won't
be able to read the book with NVDA and Kindle for PC.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and
Kindle for PC


Hi folks,

As the subject line says, I am unable to read certain Kindle content
with the latest NVDA and Kindle for PC. Text-to-Speech is enabled for
the books in question, so I am wondering if has something to do with the
automatic reading of content by Kindle's in-built text-to-speech.

Has anyone else encountered this please and if so, have they any
suggestions. When reading other content, NVDA reads as expected.

I am using latest stable NVDA and Kindle for PC v. 1.20.1

Thank you

Take care

James








Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Gene
 

I don't know why you are getting the bouncing message and I see no connection to spam.  If many or most list members got such messages, there would be a torrent of inquiries.  On another e-groups list I am on, a memgber got such a message recently but when he asked about it no one, or maybe one other person asked about such a message perhaps a day later.  I don't know if you are bouncing mail for some reason or not but because no one or perhaps one other person has asked about this on the list, it isn't a general problem.
 
Gene
----- Orgiginal Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly around
the time of some unspotted  spam from  wherever. Could it be that the server
I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt is always
refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd expect others
to get this message and lose  emails from this list.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Groups.io" <noreply@groups.io>
To: <bglists@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


Hello,

Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many
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- We have an incorrect email address for you.
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We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer
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Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly around the time of some unspotted spam from wherever. Could it be that the server I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt is always refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd expect others to get this message and lose emails from this list.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Groups.io" <noreply@groups.io>
To: <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


Hello,

Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many reasons, including:

- We have an incorrect email address for you.
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Re: Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and Kindle for PC

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Hi,

I am finding the same situation. The books I'm trying to read (at least some of them) are compatible with screen readers, but they aren't read. Here you have a free book to test this. If anyone could help, I would appreciate it (change the .es part if you aren't from Spain).

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B01FLMWTAA/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title

Thanks,

Sukil

El 02/04/2017 a las 5:04, Kwork escribió:
Yes. You have to look on the page of the book for something called Enhanced
Typesetting. If it is enabled, you should be able to read the book. Not all
books have this feature. If Enhanced Typesetting is not enabled, you won't
be able to read the book with NVDA and Kindle for PC.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and
Kindle for PC


Hi folks,

As the subject line says, I am unable to read certain Kindle content
with the latest NVDA and Kindle for PC. Text-to-Speech is enabled for
the books in question, so I am wondering if has something to do with the
automatic reading of content by Kindle's in-built text-to-speech.

Has anyone else encountered this please and if so, have they any
suggestions. When reading other content, NVDA reads as expected.

I am using latest stable NVDA and Kindle for PC v. 1.20.1

Thank you

Take care

James






Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

Domingos de Oliveira <domingos20000@...>
 

Hi Pranav ,

perhaps you should describe, what the text analyzer does, or what you wanna do, not everybody uses Jaws.


Bye



Am 02.04.2017 um 03:42 schrieb Pranav Lal:

Hi all,

Is there a way to get feedback similar to what the jaws text analyzer gives you
with NVDA? There has been a ticket raised about this in the distant past.
However, this is not strictly a screen reader function. Is there an alternative
program that does this kind of analysis? I am looking at Microsoft Word 2016
for now. Yes, a word add-in could be written to give some of this feedback but I
am not sure.

Pranav


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Re: Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and Kindle for PC

Kwork
 

Yes. You have to look on the page of the book for something called Enhanced
Typesetting. If it is enabled, you should be able to read the book. Not all
books have this feature. If Enhanced Typesetting is not enabled, you won't
be able to read the book with NVDA and Kindle for PC.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and
Kindle for PC


Hi folks,

As the subject line says, I am unable to read certain Kindle content
with the latest NVDA and Kindle for PC. Text-to-Speech is enabled for
the books in question, so I am wondering if has something to do with the
automatic reading of content by Kindle's in-built text-to-speech.

Has anyone else encountered this please and if so, have they any
suggestions. When reading other content, NVDA reads as expected.

I am using latest stable NVDA and Kindle for PC v. 1.20.1

Thank you

Take care

James


Re: NVDA and PowerPoint?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Joanne,

PowerPoint works with NVDA. You cannot add your own place holders so far. In
terms of positioning things, you will have to move objects around using the
arrow keys or use the properties dialogue for each object and play with screen
coordinates. The alt+delete keystroke may help with determining where an object
is. NVDA will tell you if objects overlap.

You can add images and other objects. When adding images, once you have inserted
an image using the ribbon, you should right click it by hitting the applications
key, go into properties and add alt text to it. That way, when you are
navigating to that object in future, you will know what it is. The alt tag with
also show up in slide show mode so you know what you are talking about.

Please ask specific questions and I'll do my best to help.

Pranav


Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Is there a way to get feedback similar to what the jaws text analyzer gives you
with NVDA? There has been a ticket raised about this in the distant past.
However, this is not strictly a screen reader function. Is there an alternative
program that does this kind of analysis? I am looking at Microsoft Word 2016
for now. Yes, a word add-in could be written to give some of this feedback but I
am not sure.

Pranav


Re: Issue with Windows Live Mail

Pete H <pete.h@...>
 

I am pleased to report that my friend has managed to fix the issue with her mail client by, as she put it, fiddling around with it, we will never know what caused the issue or how it was resolved as she doesn’t know herself, but my guess is that the window was not fully maximized and as a result NVDA was unable to read the folders and their contents properly, in a Skype session I talked her through setting the client to run maximized at start, which is how mine is set, and since doing this several years ago I have had no serious issues with the client.
 
My thanks go to all those on the list who tried to assist me.
 
Pete H.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Windows Live Mail
 
I don't know what you mean by a bit strange with POP3.  I've been using Windows Live Mail for years with a POP3 account and I haven't had any problems.  I'm not saying this to be argumentative.  I'm saying it because those following the thread who are trying to decide which e-mail program to use should know that my experience contradicts yours and I have seen no other such comments from other users nor in reviews. 
 
Outlook Express may be preferable for some people because of identities, but I've seen people for whom the Windows7 and higher compatible version works well and some who can't get it to work no matter how much they experiment and try different solutions to the problems they have. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Windows Live Mail
 
No live mail was always a bit strange on pop3, compared to outlook express.
Imap was tolerable but I want off line email so am quite happy with the
modified OE at present.
I think in the main what I don't like about other email clients for me
personally is the tree view nature of all accounts being in one lump. I
prefer segregation completely, and as far as I am aware, no client has yet
gone down the identities route like OE does. Its a real shame as when you
have several accounts its far too easy to send personal email from a charity
account or do daft things like send to a list from an account you did not
subscribe with!

Message rules in OE are OK but it would be nice to have something that can
look at the whole header for matches on the server before it downloads the
body. It also has to have usenet.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Windows Live Mail


I have never had difficulties with screen readers getting through anything
except major upgrades, e.g., Win7 or 8 to Win10, or any of the major updates
to the OS like the Anniversary Update and upcoming Creators Update. That's
not saying that a smaller update couldn't cause problems, but I haven't seen
many of them.

If someone has been using IMAP access to their e-mail and has been using
server-side filtering and folders then uninstalling and reinstalling an
e-mail client should not result in any loss of messages. POP is a completely
different kettle of fish and much messier.

Microsoft has actually now pulled the download of Windows Essentials 2012,
which includes WLM 2012, from their website. However, I archived a copy of
the full installer, not the web stub installer, and if anyone wants it it's
available from my Google Drive in 7Zip compressed format: wlsetup-all.7z (
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B98uELZbPFnOOUtTT3Eyc041T1E )
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* * *The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing* * in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the* * tempting
moment.*

* ~ Dorothy Nevill*

**




NVDA and powerpoint?

Joanne Michelle Stark
 

Greetings,
Has anyone had experience with using NVDA and Microsoft powerpoint 2016 ? I need to know how to create placeholders, how to put slides together into a cohesive, understandable presentation, and where to find suitable pictures for this presentation (although that last point is not directly related to powerpoint itself, copying and pasting images in just the right spot will be useful to learn). I have not yet written the report on which the presentation will be based; still trying to gather sources. Gah, source-hunting. grrr. Anyway, any help offered in this area of technology that has always scared me just a bit is welcome. Better late than never to tackle Powerpoint from a screen-reader user's perspective. Must get back to researching my project after dinner. Thanks again for your assistance.


Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and Kindle for PC

James AUSTIN
 

Hi folks,

As the subject line says, I am unable to read certain Kindle content with the latest NVDA and Kindle for PC. Text-to-Speech is enabled for the books in question, so I am wondering if has something to do with the automatic reading of content by Kindle's in-built text-to-speech.

Has anyone else encountered this please and if so, have they any suggestions. When reading other content, NVDA reads as expected.

I am using latest stable NVDA and Kindle for PC v. 1.20.1

Thank you

Take care

James


Re: is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

 

in that last message on the triple labeled message that move should have been noted as from label3 to label2, not label2 to itself.  Typo.
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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

 

Chris,

           Just tried that and it does behave as you say on the Gmail web interface afterward.  Ignoring "Inbox" which is a special label of its own, if I move a two-labeled message out of the label2 folder in Thunderbird and into the label1 folder the message is not deleted but simply loses its label2.

I also tried this by triple-labeling one message and when I moved it from label2 to label 2, in the Gmail interface it then showed only label1 and label2.  However, if I then deleted it from the label2 folder it vanished from the label1 folder and inbox as well.  

So you can safely move a message from folder to folder and not lose it entirely, but if you delete it anywhere it is gone everywhere.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

Chris Mullins
 

Have you tried moving a message from one folder to another folder it also appears in within Thunderbird?  Would this have the same effect as removing one of the labels in the Gmail web app whilst retaining the message under it’s other label?  

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 1 April 2017 18:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

 

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 09:20 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

If things work a I expect they will it will likely survive in the other folders until the final instance under a single remaining label is removed.  With the web interface multiple labels are, indeed, applied to a single message on display and there exists no mechanism that I know of to delete a message, actually delete a message, without it disappearing.  If one wanted to do the equivalent of eliminating it from one folder while retaining it in another in the Gmail web interface one would simply take off the label that one no longer wanted associated with it.  I'll also have to play with doing that on the web side and see what shows up on the e-mail client side.

Well, the test results are interesting, to say the least.  If I apply multiple labels to a given message, using Thunderbird as my e-mail client, each label causes a new IMAP folder to appear after things have had time to synchronize.

You can delete a message from one of these IMAP folders, but it behaves just like it would on the Gmail web interface in that the same message gets removed from the second label's IMAP folder and the inbox, too.

So, two things are clear:

          1. Symbolic links are being used, all of which point to a single instance of the actual message.

          2. The handling of deleting of any single symbolic link is absolutely different than it is on any operating system I know of that uses them because deleting any one symbolic link removes the actual instance of the message and all other symbolic links to it.   Under conventional handling deleting any instance of a file that has multiple symbolic links to it allows the file to remain, and all symbolic links except the one you just nuked remain and still point to the content.  Gmail's handling is an "all or nothing" affair and this is highly irregular.

Not that I ever made a practice of applying multiple labels to a single message, but I will definitely avoid doing so ever knowing what I know now.  I also really want my messages that need to be handled as a class of their own to appear in a single folder that indicates to me that class of message.  Having a Venn diagram arrangement of overlapping message classes would prove maddening to me.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

 

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 09:20 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
If things work a I expect they will it will likely survive in the other folders until the final instance under a single remaining label is removed.  With the web interface multiple labels are, indeed, applied to a single message on display and there exists no mechanism that I know of to delete a message, actually delete a message, without it disappearing.  If one wanted to do the equivalent of eliminating it from one folder while retaining it in another in the Gmail web interface one would simply take off the label that one no longer wanted associated with it.  I'll also have to play with doing that on the web side and see what shows up on the e-mail client side.

Well, the test results are interesting, to say the least.  If I apply multiple labels to a given message, using Thunderbird as my e-mail client, each label causes a new IMAP folder to appear after things have had time to synchronize.

You can delete a message from one of these IMAP folders, but it behaves just like it would on the Gmail web interface in that the same message gets removed from the second label's IMAP folder and the inbox, too.

So, two things are clear:

          1. Symbolic links are being used, all of which point to a single instance of the actual message.

          2. The handling of deleting of any single symbolic link is absolutely different than it is on any operating system I know of that uses them because deleting any one symbolic link removes the actual instance of the message and all other symbolic links to it.   Under conventional handling deleting any instance of a file that has multiple symbolic links to it allows the file to remain, and all symbolic links except the one you just nuked remain and still point to the content.  Gmail's handling is an "all or nothing" affair and this is highly irregular.

Not that I ever made a practice of applying multiple labels to a single message, but I will definitely avoid doing so ever knowing what I know now.  I also really want my messages that need to be handled as a class of their own to appear in a single folder that indicates to me that class of message.  Having a Venn diagram arrangement of overlapping message classes would prove maddening to me.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



WordPress Accessibility

Mark Sanders
 

Hi All
I'm researching WordPress Accessibility for a Masters dissertation at the University of Salford in the UK.

I've created a survey aimed at Screen Reader users.
I'd be very grateful if you have a few minutes for you to complete this survey (and pass it on, perhaps)!


Many thanks
mark


Re: is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

 

Chris,

         I have no doubt that there is only one physical copy of any given message and that symbolic links are used to place that message under multiple labels/folders in practice.

         I am going to have to attach a couple of labels to a given message using the web interface then see what happens if I delete it out of only one of the folders associated with it under Windows Live Mail 2012 or Thunderbird.

         If things work a I expect they will it will likely survive in the other folders until the final instance under a single remaining label is removed.  With the web interface multiple labels are, indeed, applied to a single message on display and there exists no mechanism that I know of to delete a message, actually delete a message, without it disappearing.  If one wanted to do the equivalent of eliminating it from one folder while retaining it in another in the Gmail web interface one would simply take off the label that one no longer wanted associated with it.  I'll also have to play with doing that on the web side and see what shows up on the e-mail client side.


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Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

Chris Mullins
 

They may appear as folders in client applications but within the Gmail app, messages can be assigned one or more labels and will appear in each ‘folder’ they are tagged with.  If you delete a message with multiple labels, it disappears from each ‘folder’.  This indicates to me that when messages are archived, there is a single instance of a message stored in an archive and an indexing system  used to categorise them into virtual folders for want of a better description.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 1 April 2017 01:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is it possible to filter messages in the mail app?

 

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 05:20 pm, Chris Mullins wrote:

Gmail doesn’t use folders, it uses labels to tag messages.

Chris, just FYI, "labels" is a very clever, or stupid, depending on your opinion, way Gmail implements folders.  When you add a Gmail account via IMAP in every e-mail client I've tried so far each and every one of the labels you've specified shows up as a folder by the same name.

Even though it's a bit more of a pain, the filtering and classification for messages should be taking place on the server side, which means it gets set up via the Gmail web interface, if you want to have access to exactly the same messages in exactly the same folders across multiple devices.  I've seen people filter messages into various local folders inside an e-mail client and then be mystified why the arrangement of both folders and messages is not the same when they access them on another device.

You are right that the Gmail web interface leaves all messages in the Gmail inbox but with labels attached to those that have those assigned by filtering.  You can, of course, choose to show only messages with a certain label if you want to limit what you're looking at to only "messages of the same type."  I have always loved Gmail but hated the label convention to mask the actual IMAP folders that form their basis.  They've been the only e-mail provider to do this that I know of.
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Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill