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Re: Replying to the list using the web site

Gene
 

I would suggest trying a different e-mail program.  I don't know what is causing the problem and I'm not assuming it is Thunderbird but you might save yourself a lot of time and trouble if a different program doesn't have this problem.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Replying to the list using the web site



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from mack<p><br></p>i just recently realized you cood log in to groups.io and have a reply option. now, i don'[t have to use thunderbird to do this. i get so tired of thunderbird sayin  gmail, failed to send your message. no reason is given. this may help some of you, log into groups.io and click on your name, choose account,and then prefferances. i have log in with google checked. also, i have plain text checked instead of h t m l. if you don't change to plain text, when you hit reply, you are presented with a bunch of junk options, that in most cases won't be helpful to you. so, after doing this, when i hit reply, i am placed in the edit box to reply, i can reply, left and rite arrow to read what i am writing, delete letters, etc. good stuff. i am doing this with NVDA and i have my browse settings to always stay in browse mode, unless i tap the spacebar to write in a box. i found that the automatic setting, often caused me to have a hard time leaving the edit box. i  am doing all this using i e 11, i have not used any other browsers to test behavior, thanks




Laptop Layout issue

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

HP EliteBook 8440P running windows 7 Professional with all updates. NVDA is set to laptop layout. I can't set the voice parameters with NVDA+Shift+Control and the arrow keys. Has anyone else encountered this behavior? Is there a work-around?

Thanks,
George


Re: Replying to the list using the web site

mcLeod stinnett
 

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from mack<p><br></p>i just recently realized you cood log in to groups.io and have a reply option. now, i don'[t have to use thunderbird to do this. i get so tired of thunderbird sayin gmail, failed to send your message. no reason is given. this may help some of you, log into groups.io and click on your name, choose account,and then prefferances. i have log in with google checked. also, i have plain text checked instead of h t m l. if you don't change to plain text, when you hit reply, you are presented with a bunch of junk options, that in most cases won't be helpful to you. so, after doing this, when i hit reply, i am placed in the edit box to reply, i can reply, left and rite arrow to read what i am writing, delete letters, etc. good stuff. i am doing this with NVDA and i have my browse settings to always stay in browse mode, unless i tap the spacebar to write in a box. i found that the automatic setting, often caused me to have a hard time leaving the edit box. i am doing all this using i e 11, i have not used any other browsers to test behavior, thanks


Re: Replying to the list using the web site

Gene
 

I finally got it to work.  I switched to forms mode and pressed the space bar on the reply to group button.  I won't experiment more on list because I don't want to have people receive messages of me experimenting with the interface.  It's nice to have the option on the rare occasions when I might want it.  But I'll note that the reason the message has so many mistakes is because you can't read it and edit it when browse mode is off.  You can read it in browse mode but not edit it.  Just one more reason people wouldn't use the web interface.  In case this is useful to anyone, I also wasn't able to see the field for replying when using Chrome.  I was able to see it in firefox while browse mode is off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Replying to the list using the web site

We were talking earlier today about the difficulties of using the Groups.io web interfact to reply     to messages.  m trying once again and this time, I'm using a slightly differe    nt procedure.      Let's see if it works.

        

Gene


Re: Thunderbird Settings

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, there is an app called moz backup sorry don't have the download link but googling it will find it hope this helps.

On 07/04/2017 12:14, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Working with a friend on latest Thunderbird for deafblind users.
What we would know is if there is a way of exporting settings in a way that they could be transported to another computer.
Andrea


Re: Replying to the list using the web site

Gene
 

We were talking earlier today about the difficulties of using the Groups.io web interfact to reply     to messages.  m trying once again and this time, I'm using a slightly differe    nt procedure.      Let's see if it works.

        

Gene


Re: about pdf files

Webmaster Deweer <webmaster_deweer@...>
 

Hello. I don’t know if that works, but maybe you can try robobraille.org to transcribe them? It supports several formats, languages etc.

 

 

Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens Abdurrahman Tas
Verzonden: vrijdag 7 april 2017 22:10
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: [nvda] about pdf files

 

Hi all, I’ve some pdf files that require ocr. İs there any free or cheap solution  to open this files? And I should say that it contains arabic characters.  

Best regards.

 


about pdf files

Abdurrahman Taş
 

Hi all, I’ve some pdf files that require ocr. İs there any free or cheap solution  to open this files? And I should say that it contains arabic characters.  

Best regards.

 


Re: QCast and NVDA

David Griffith
 

Not sure why this should be off list but QCast is working fine here on Windows 10. I am not sure why this should be an issue.

I can only suggest

  1. Compete uninstall and re-install.
  2. If that does not work download the portable version of the program from the website and try just running that as a standalone exe file rather than using an installed version.

 

David Griffith    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: 07 April 2017 17:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] QCast and NVDA

 

Hi All,

 

If you use the QCast podcast program, please contact me offlist at milamj@... as I have a question about it, as I cannot get it to launch in WIN10.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 


QCast and NVDA

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

If you use the QCast podcast program, please contact me offlist at milamj@... as I have a question about it, as I cannot get it to launch in WIN10.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: Replying to the list using the web site

Gene
 

I wrote a reply in the correct area.  I can tab to the correct edit field if I turn browse mode off.  And if I hadn't been able to, I still should have been able to send a blank message with the reply below it by using the reply to group button.  I don't know what the problem is but the button may not work properly when activated from the keyboard.
 
It usually doesn't matter if I can send a reply from the web interface, but now and then, I've deleted a message I later want to reply to.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Replying to the list using the web site

Gene,

         I am suspecting that what you believe you did, and what you actually did, might be ever so slightly different.  If you have logged in to the Groups.io website, gone to the messages for a group, and hit the reply button, this should open up the reply area and hitting the Reply to Group button should send what you compose.

         That being said, I'm in NVDA right now while composing this message and the reply composition area is not announced as an edit box. When I finally land in it it announces, "Section editable clickable, clickable."  I still haven't found the way to "quick jump" past all of the control buttons straight into this box.  I find it interesting that the Subject field does announce, "Subject, editable."  I'd think that this box would announce either, "Message text, editable," or "Reply, editable," but it doesn't.

         Once I hit NVDA Key + Spacebar to switch back to browse mode I then cannot escape this edit box by tabbing, and that wasn't true earlier.  Now that I've been playing with this again I'm still stuck in the compose box and can't get out as I'd think I should.

          Even though I'm not the most skilled screen reader user there are clearly accessibility issues with the Groups.io website and certain behaviors are particularly vexing.

          I'm just curious as to what you actually did mostly because it didn't work and I can't even get myself out of this editing area "by conventional means."

          As an aside, I updated to the Creators Update yesterday and when I just fired up NVDA 2017.1 to compose this message I got a massively long announcement regarding Narrator and the languages it's available in.  I found that more than a bit odd and, though it could be helpful, hope it's a one time shot.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Replying to the list using the web site

 

I will also second Brian Gaff's observations about hating web forums systems, or at least this one, for screen reader users.  It is absolutely not screen reader friendly and even the way objects are being announced seems to change depending on where I've jumped and when.  I get a lot of "table" announcements when what appears on the screen would not be recognized as a table by anyone.

If this particular setup is at all characteristic of most of them I can absolutely see why the e-mail list interface is considered vastly preferable, at a minimum, and probably more like absolutely essential by a screen reader user.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Replying to the list using the web site

 

Gene,

         I am suspecting that what you believe you did, and what you actually did, might be ever so slightly different.  If you have logged in to the Groups.io website, gone to the messages for a group, and hit the reply button, this should open up the reply area and hitting the Reply to Group button should send what you compose.

         That being said, I'm in NVDA right now while composing this message and the reply composition area is not announced as an edit box. When I finally land in it it announces, "Section editable clickable, clickable."  I still haven't found the way to "quick jump" past all of the control buttons straight into this box.  I find it interesting that the Subject field does announce, "Subject, editable."  I'd think that this box would announce either, "Message text, editable," or "Reply, editable," but it doesn't.

         Once I hit NVDA Key + Spacebar to switch back to browse mode I then cannot escape this edit box by tabbing, and that wasn't true earlier.  Now that I've been playing with this again I'm still stuck in the compose box and can't get out as I'd think I should.

          Even though I'm not the most skilled screen reader user there are clearly accessibility issues with the Groups.io website and certain behaviors are particularly vexing.

          I'm just curious as to what you actually did mostly because it didn't work and I can't even get myself out of this editing area "by conventional means."

          As an aside, I updated to the Creators Update yesterday and when I just fired up NVDA 2017.1 to compose this message I got a massively long announcement regarding Narrator and the languages it's available in.  I found that more than a bit odd and, though it could be helpful, hope it's a one time shot.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: about nvda and triggers

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Is not say all a special class of profile now?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


I'd have to look at the create profile dialog again to see just how it is set up. Be sure it is set to manual and then, probably if you tab once more, you will be in something, I thing a combo box, where you set a trigger. You want it to only be triggered when you use read to end. Find that item, whatever it is exactly called. Then do the rest of the setup for the profile.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


hi gene.
thanks so much for your help..
i did it, but now, even i dont hear links headings etc when i use the
arrow keys.
i wish that hear the elements but only when i use shortcut keys like k
and h and also when i navigate by arrow keys.
i only want to dont hear it in say all.
what should i do?

On 4/7/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


I think the easiest way is to set up a profile with the reporting of
those things turned off. Where they need to be turned off is under the
document formatting section. But do not go there first it will need to
be done in the profile.


To set up a profile where you can do this and automatically have it done
you need to do the following.


Go into your browser whether it be mozilla fire fox etc. make sure it is
in focus.


Next Press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter P


When the profile manager opens next tab to new it is a button press the
space bar on it. give it a name like mozilla fire fox with out
formatting then tab it will say some thing manual activation i could
have to check. Do not touch this one but arrow down to current
application it will say mozilla fire fox. Then tab down to the ok button
then press the enter key.


Next bring up document formatting with the ctrl key + nvda key + the
letter D.


Tab down to where it says reporting of headings list etc and uncheck
those boxes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key.


You might have to go back into your pro file or hopefully it is still in
focus locate the profile you set up then tab to the close button then
press the enter key.


If set correctly you should not hear link, heading list etc.


When you do it make sure you are in mozilla fire fox then bring up the
profile do your changes in document formatting then after done when back
in the pro file tab to close just as mentioned.

I am pretty sure you will get the idea and other profiles can be set up
for other applications.


I find doing for a current application is far easier for a lot of people.


Gene nz


I am pretty sure i gave the right directions.







On 7/04/2017 7:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i remember that two years ago if i am correct, i asked this question
and recieved a great answer step by step.
but i dont remember the answer and the date which i asked it here.
i wish that when i use say all in firefox or any browser, nvda does
not announce link, heading table list and anything else.
i wish that only hear the document rather than link heading and all
elements.
you told me i should use trigger for this purpose.
how should i activate and use triggers for my goal?
i waite for your help, God bless you and i pray for you sincerely.





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al-islam.org


Re: about nvda and triggers

Gene
 

I'd have to look at the create profile dialog again to see just how it is set up.  Be sure it is set to manual and then, probably if you tab once more, you will be in something, I thing a combo box, where you set a trigger.  You want it to only be triggered when you use read to end.  Find that item, whatever it is exactly called.  Then do the rest of the setup for the profile.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers

hi gene.
thanks so much for your help..
i did it, but now, even i dont hear links headings etc when i use the
arrow keys.
i wish that hear the elements but only when i use shortcut keys like k
and h and also when i navigate by arrow keys.
i only want to dont hear it in say all.
what should i do?

On 4/7/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I think the easiest way is to set up a profile with the reporting of
> those things turned off. Where they need to be turned off is under the
> document formatting section. But do not go there first it will need to
> be done in the profile.
>
>
> To set up a profile where you can do this and automatically have it done
> you need to do the following.
>
>
> Go into your browser whether it be mozilla fire fox etc. make sure it is
> in focus.
>
>
> Next Press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter P
>
>
> When the profile manager opens next tab to new it is a button press the
> space bar on it. give it a name like mozilla fire fox with out
> formatting then tab it will say some thing manual activation i could
> have to check. Do not touch this one but arrow down to current
> application it will say mozilla fire fox. Then tab down to the ok button
> then press the enter key.
>
>
> Next bring up document formatting with the ctrl key + nvda key + the
> letter D.
>
>
> Tab down to where it says reporting of headings list etc and uncheck
> those boxes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key.
>
>
> You might have to go back into your pro file or hopefully it is still in
> focus locate the profile you set up then tab to the close button then
> press the enter key.
>
>
> If set correctly you should not hear link, heading list etc.
>
>
> When you do it make sure you are in mozilla fire fox then bring up the
> profile do your changes in document formatting then after done when back
> in the pro file tab to close just as mentioned.
>
> I am pretty sure you will get the idea and other profiles can be set up
> for other applications.
>
>
> I find doing for a current application is far easier for a lot of people.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> I am pretty sure i gave the right directions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/04/2017 7:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hello every one.
>> i remember that two years ago if i am correct, i asked this question
>> and recieved a great answer step by step.
>> but i dont remember the answer and the date which i asked it here.
>> i wish that when i use say all in firefox or any browser, nvda does
>> not announce link, heading table list and anything else.
>> i wish that only hear the document rather than link heading and all
>> elements.
>> you told me i should use trigger for this purpose.
>> how should i activate and use triggers for my goal?
>> i waite for your help, God bless you and i pray for you sincerely.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Replying to the list using the web site

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It looked to me like the button did not do anything so maybe the browser was not seeing it or something did not get filled in and an erroroccured somewhere on screen we are not aware of. Seen this sort of thing before, which is why I hate web forum systems.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Replying to the list using the web site


Gene,

The message I last sent landed in my inbox before I could even switch to that tab.

If I can be of any assistance in helping you determine what's going on at your end with regard to your reply not showing up feel free to contact me.
--
*Brian*

* * *The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing* * in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the* * tempting moment.*

* ~ Dorothy Nevill*

**


Re: Replying to the list using the web site

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No I got nowhere with this interface either.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Replying to the list using the web site


What are the steps to reply to the list to a message using the web site? I deleted a message because I didn't think I had a reply but, on reflection, I did. I opened the message on the web site, pressed the reply button, wrote a message in the edit field, then I activated the reply to group button. I did this more than once and no message was sent to the list, at least I didn't see any when I downloaded mail from the list again.

Gene


Re: Replying to the list using the web site

Gene
 

Thanks for looking at the problem.  I don't see what you can do.  If I followed the correct procedure and nothing was sent, then I have no suggestions or questions, not having anything to base questions on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Replying to the list using the web site

Gene,

         The message I last sent landed in my inbox before I could even switch to that tab.

         If I can be of any assistance in helping you determine what's going on at your end with regard to your reply not showing up feel free to contact me.
--
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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Test

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Freelists have always had this issue. Some years back I found out that it did not cope well with blacklisted email servers sending to it and greylisting servers receiving from it. In the former case your outgoing smtp can be on a list due to spambot activity. I do not know what lists freelists uses. On the current list I'd imagine since we got that message a few months back about all new people on lists we might run have to be verified due to spammers, I wonder if they too, now subscribe to some lists and get affected, or don't cope well with greylisting which from what I'm told is the tendency for an incoming server to reject the first attempt to send to it to ward off spambot outgoing email which is done fast with not test to see if its got anywhere to hopefully get as much out before it gets blocked by that isp.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Sykes-Lindley" <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test


Hi,
Very unusual for groups.io. It’s the NVDA addons list I’m having trouble with over at Freelists – it keeps randomly unsubscribing me. I resubscribed and sent a message last night which seems to have gone through but then not only did I get no replies, but no traffic from that list whatsoever. When I look at the archives this morning I find that my message isn’t even there. That group has unsubscribed me now about four times with absolutely no warning. Does anyone know what’s going on with that list?
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 9:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test

Hello,


This is a test as the list seems to have lower amounts of traffic the past few days, and a list member seems to have been unsubscribed.


Thanks.

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Re: Replying to the list using the web site

 

Gene,

         The message I last sent landed in my inbox before I could even switch to that tab.

         If I can be of any assistance in helping you determine what's going on at your end with regard to your reply not showing up feel free to contact me.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill