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Re: mathematics + NVDA

Luke Scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Hi
I would be interested in discussing this with you. I am a student using math type with nvda if that will help you at all?
Thanks
Luke Scholey

On 8 Apr 2017, at 17:12, Annemiek van Leendert <annemiekleendert@visio.org> wrote:

Hi,

I would like to get in contact with students who use NVDA when reading and comprehending

mathematical text . I want to discuss with you about your experiences and about ideas for improvements.

Annemiek






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Re: Laptop Layout issue

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

In keyboard help, control shift nvda speak when held down together but the arrow keys do not speak.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptop Layout issue

First thing to do is turn on keyboard help - think it's also just NVDA +
number row 1 - to make sure that when you enter the other keystroke that
the correct one is being passed/recognised, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-04-08 05:14, George McCoy wrote:
ESpeak


-----Original Message----- From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptop Layout issue

What synth?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original----- De: George McCoy
Data: 8 de abril de 2017 00:56
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Laptop Layout issue

HP EliteBook 8440P running windows 7 Professional with all updates. NVDA is
set to laptop layout. I can't set the voice parameters with
NVDA+Shift+Control and the arrow keys. Has anyone else encountered this
behavior? Is there a work-around?

Thanks,
George












mathematics + NVDA

Annemiek van Leendert
 

Hi,

I would like to get in contact with students who use NVDA when reading and comprehending

mathematical text . I want to discuss with you about your experiences and about ideas for improvements.

Annemiek






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Re: Free Music Production software

Marco Oros
 

Reaper is also very great, but with this Casio, I would like to prefer something another, maybe some arranger workstations from Yamaha.
You can contact me and We'll find solution.


Re: Free Music Production software

Ame
 

Oh, I’ve got another couple questions.  I don’t see a midi port anywhere on my Windows 8 machine.  I see USB’s and   others that look like USB’s but I forgot what those are called.  HDMI maybe?  Plus, does this software you recommended have effects?  Can you do reverb and a few basic things like that?
 
Thanks Mahammadreza.


Re: Free Music Production software

Ame
 

I don’t know.  As soon as I can  get someone to take a look for me I’ll be happy to tell you.  I love it.  It was a delightful surprise from a family member.  II’m a piano player and my actual piano is in disrepair.  It needs tuning and I’m not sure I could ever keep it in decent tune because our house is a little humid.  Anyway, she knew I  wanted to keep playing so she bought me my Casio.  Thanks so much for your reply


Re: Aria-live and interactive fiction

Felix G.
 

That's great news. Thank you!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher
Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io> schrieb am Sa. 8. Apr. 2017 um 17:34:

Hi,

In the latest versions of both Windows Frotz and Windows Glulxe, speech can be stopped by pressing ctrl + Break.



El 08/04/2017 a las 11:01, Felix G. escribió:
Hi!
Since I'm a huge fan of IF myself, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a good interpreter for ZCode and Glulx games which works well with NVDA in terms of automatically announcing new text and interrupting when I press a key. Windows Frotz and Windows Glulxe do have built-in speech but that cannot be interrupted, and when using them without speech NVDA does not announce new content as it is printed even though I have installed an add-on for this. Any suggestions? Maybe just the add-on that needs updating?
Kind regards,
Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 2017 um 02:47 Uhr:
Not sure but parchment seems to be quite old now, it works well enough
especially for complex games for me if you don't use a glulx zcode or
tads interpreter offline which I do sometimes do this works really well.




On 7/04/2017 7:50 p.m., Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lately I've been testing online interactive fiction interpreters. All
> these implement aria (precisely,aria-live="polite",
> aria-atomic="false", aria-relevant="additions"). The problem is that
> with some specific games (like Ad Verbum) NVDA fails to output
> anything automatically. Link to test this (with Parchment):
>
> adverbum - Parchment
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/zcode/adverbum.z5>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone can clarify why this happens? Note that this is not specific to
> this game, but this only happens in Parchment (see
> <http://www.eblong.com/zarf/glulx/quixe/quixe/play-remote.html?story=stories/Advent.ulx.js>).
> That works properly...
>
> Even more weirdness: Andrew Plotkin uses an older version of Parchment
> with no ARIA, and it works surprisingly well (compare
> <http://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/> and
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://eblong.com/zarf/ftp/Tangle.z5>.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks very much,
>
>
> Sukil
>
>
>






Re: Laptop Layout issue

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptop Layout issue

First thing to do is turn on keyboard help - think it's also just NVDA +
number row 1 - to make sure that when you enter the other keystroke that
the correct one is being passed/recognised, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-04-08 05:14, George McCoy wrote:
ESpeak


-----Original Message----- From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptop Layout issue

What synth?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original----- De: George McCoy
Data: 8 de abril de 2017 00:56
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Laptop Layout issue

HP EliteBook 8440P running windows 7 Professional with all updates. NVDA is
set to laptop layout. I can't set the voice parameters with
NVDA+Shift+Control and the arrow keys. Has anyone else encountered this
behavior? Is there a work-around?

Thanks,
George












Re: Aria-live and interactive fiction

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Hi,

In the latest versions of both Windows Frotz and Windows Glulxe, speech can be stopped by pressing ctrl + Break.



El 08/04/2017 a las 11:01, Felix G. escribió:
Hi!
Since I'm a huge fan of IF myself, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a good interpreter for ZCode and Glulx games which works well with NVDA in terms of automatically announcing new text and interrupting when I press a key. Windows Frotz and Windows Glulxe do have built-in speech but that cannot be interrupted, and when using them without speech NVDA does not announce new content as it is printed even though I have installed an add-on for this. Any suggestions? Maybe just the add-on that needs updating?
Kind regards,
Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 2017 um 02:47 Uhr:
Not sure but parchment seems to be quite old now, it works well enough
especially for complex games for me if you don't use a glulx zcode or
tads interpreter offline which I do sometimes do this works really well.




On 7/04/2017 7:50 p.m., Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lately I've been testing online interactive fiction interpreters. All
> these implement aria (precisely,aria-live="polite",
> aria-atomic="false", aria-relevant="additions"). The problem is that
> with some specific games (like Ad Verbum) NVDA fails to output
> anything automatically. Link to test this (with Parchment):
>
> adverbum - Parchment
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/zcode/adverbum.z5>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone can clarify why this happens? Note that this is not specific to
> this game, but this only happens in Parchment (see
> <http://www.eblong.com/zarf/glulx/quixe/quixe/play-remote.html?story=stories/Advent.ulx.js>).
> That works properly...
>
> Even more weirdness: Andrew Plotkin uses an older version of Parchment
> with no ARIA, and it works surprisingly well (compare
> <http://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/> and
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://eblong.com/zarf/ftp/Tangle.z5>.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks very much,
>
>
> Sukil
>
>
>






Re: about nvda and triggers

 

thanks gene.
i should test it again.
saving changes in general settings is checked for me and i did not
deactivate it.

On 4/8/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I've been experimenting and I found one more thing you may have to do.
After you set parameters as you want, if save on exit isn't enabled, you
have to save the configuration as you do in general when changing settings
if save on exit isn't enabled. Save on exit is the default so if you
haven't changed it, it is enabled.

Gene
----- original Message -----


From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


I don't know the exact procedure you are following. It doesn't matter what
application you are in and you don't have to be in any to do this. Open the
profile dialog.
Create a new profile. After giving it a name, tab to the next field and
down arrow to say all. The profile will only be triggered when you use say
all and it will be triggered when you use say all in any program.

I'd have to create a profile to tell you the exact next steps. You will be
prompted to manually activate the profile to edit it. Do so, I believe
there is an ok or a yes button, I don't recall just what. Then set whatever
parameters you want. Once finished, open the profile dialog again and find
the profile in the list. Tab to the deactivate button and press it with the
space bar. Tab around and see if there is an ok button and activate it if
there is.

I'm not sure if you have to do anything more. I don't think so.
Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


hi quentin.
thanks so much for your reply.
but unfortunately this way does not work for me in the way that i expected!
now, nvda even does not say headings links etc by navigating with arrow
keys.
when i cant hear link when i use arrow keys how can i realize that its
a link and i should press enter to open the link!?
i only want nvda does not announce elements in web browsers in say
all! not always and using arrow keys!
i remember that i recieved the helpful reply previously in the list
but i dont remember that.
thanks extremely again and God bless you.

On 4/8/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Say all does have its own profile now, so yes, you could edit just it, to
not announce any of the elements. To do that, open the configuration
dialog and manually load the "Say all" profile, edit it as desired and
save
it before returning to your normal profile.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Is not say all a special class of profile now?

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:05 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


I'd have to look at the create profile dialog again to see just how it
is
set up. Be sure it is set to manual and then, probably if you tab once
more, you will be in something, I thing a combo box, where you set a
trigger. You want it to only be triggered when you use read to end.
Find
that item, whatever it is exactly called. Then do the rest of the setup
for the profile.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


hi gene.
thanks so much for your help..
i did it, but now, even i dont hear links headings etc when i use the
arrow keys.
i wish that hear the elements but only when i use shortcut keys like k
and h and also when i navigate by arrow keys.
i only want to dont hear it in say all.
what should i do?

On 4/7/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi


I think the easiest way is to set up a profile with the reporting of
those things turned off. Where they need to be turned off is under the
document formatting section. But do not go there first it will need to
be done in the profile.


To set up a profile where you can do this and automatically have it
done
you need to do the following.


Go into your browser whether it be mozilla fire fox etc. make sure it
is
in focus.


Next Press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter P


When the profile manager opens next tab to new it is a button press the
space bar on it. give it a name like mozilla fire fox with out
formatting then tab it will say some thing manual activation i could
have to check. Do not touch this one but arrow down to current
application it will say mozilla fire fox. Then tab down to the ok
button
then press the enter key.


Next bring up document formatting with the ctrl key + nvda key + the
letter D.


Tab down to where it says reporting of headings list etc and uncheck
those boxes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key.


You might have to go back into your pro file or hopefully it is still
in
focus locate the profile you set up then tab to the close button then
press the enter key.


If set correctly you should not hear link, heading list etc.


When you do it make sure you are in mozilla fire fox then bring up the
profile do your changes in document formatting then after done when
back
in the pro file tab to close just as mentioned.

I am pretty sure you will get the idea and other profiles can be set up
for other applications.


I find doing for a current application is far easier for a lot of
people.


Gene nz


I am pretty sure i gave the right directions.







On 7/04/2017 7:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hello every one.
i remember that two years ago if i am correct, i asked this question
and recieved a great answer step by step.
but i dont remember the answer and the date which i asked it here.
i wish that when i use say all in firefox or any browser, nvda does
not announce link, heading table list and anything else.
i wish that only hear the document rather than link heading and all
elements.
you told me i should use trigger for this purpose.
how should i activate and use triggers for my goal?
i waite for your help, God bless you and i pray for you sincerely.





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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about nvda and triggers

Gene
 

I've been experimenting and I found one more thing you may have to do.  After you set parameters as you want, if save on exit isn't enabled, you have to save the configuration as you do in general when changing settings if save on exit isn't enabled.  Save on exit is the default so if you haven't changed it, it is enabled. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers

I don't know the exact procedure you are following.  It doesn't matter what application you are in and you don't have to be in any to do this.  Open the profile dialog.
Create a new profile.  After giving it a name, tab to the next field and down arrow to say all.  The profile will only be triggered when you use say all and it will be triggered when you use say all in any program.
 
I'd have to create a profile to tell you the exact next steps.  You will be prompted to manually activate the profile to edit it.  Do so, I believe there is an ok or a yes button, I don't recall just what.  Then set whatever parameters you want.  Once finished, open the profile dialog again and find the profile in the list.  Tab to the deactivate button and press it with the space bar.  Tab around and see if there is an ok button and activate it if there is. 
 
I'm not sure if you have to do anything more.  I don't think so. 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers

hi quentin.
thanks so much for your reply.
but unfortunately this way does not work for me in the way that i expected!
now, nvda even does not say headings links etc by navigating with arrow keys.
when i cant hear link when i use arrow keys how can i realize that its
a link and i should press enter to open the link!?
i only want nvda does not announce elements in web browsers in say
all! not always and using arrow keys!
i remember that i recieved the helpful reply previously in the list
but i dont remember that.
thanks extremely again and God bless you.

On 4/8/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Say all does have its own profile now, so yes, you could edit just it, to
> not announce any of the elements.  To do that, open the configuration
> dialog and manually load the "Say all" profile, edit it as desired and save
> it before returning to your normal profile.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account <
> bglists@...> wrote:
>
>> Is not say all a special class of profile now?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:05 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers
>>
>>
>> I'd have to look at the create profile dialog again to see just how it is
>> set up.  Be sure it is set to manual and then, probably if you tab once
>> more, you will be in something, I thing a combo box, where you set a
>> trigger.  You want it to only be triggered when you use read to end.
>> Find
>> that item, whatever it is exactly called.  Then do the rest of the setup
>> for the profile.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nasrin khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:06 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers
>>
>>
>> hi gene.
>> thanks so much for your help..
>> i did it, but now, even i dont hear links headings etc when i use the
>> arrow keys.
>> i wish that hear the elements but only when i use shortcut keys like k
>> and h and also when i navigate by arrow keys.
>> i only want to dont hear it in say all.
>> what should i do?
>>
>> On 4/7/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the easiest way is to set up a profile with the reporting of
>>> those things turned off. Where they need to be turned off is under the
>>> document formatting section. But do not go there first it will need to
>>> be done in the profile.
>>>
>>>
>>> To set up a profile where you can do this and automatically have it done
>>> you need to do the following.
>>>
>>>
>>> Go into your browser whether it be mozilla fire fox etc. make sure it is
>>> in focus.
>>>
>>>
>>> Next Press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter P
>>>
>>>
>>> When the profile manager opens next tab to new it is a button press the
>>> space bar on it. give it a name like mozilla fire fox with out
>>> formatting then tab it will say some thing manual activation i could
>>> have to check. Do not touch this one but arrow down to current
>>> application it will say mozilla fire fox. Then tab down to the ok button
>>> then press the enter key.
>>>
>>>
>>> Next bring up document formatting with the ctrl key + nvda key + the
>>> letter D.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tab down to where it says reporting of headings list etc and uncheck
>>> those boxes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key.
>>>
>>>
>>> You might have to go back into your pro file or hopefully it is still in
>>> focus locate the profile you set up then tab to the close button then
>>> press the enter key.
>>>
>>>
>>> If set correctly you should not hear link, heading list etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> When you do it make sure you are in mozilla fire fox then bring up the
>>> profile do your changes in document formatting then after done when back
>>> in the pro file tab to close just as mentioned.
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure you will get the idea and other profiles can be set up
>>> for other applications.
>>>
>>>
>>> I find doing for a current application is far easier for a lot of
>>> people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure i gave the right directions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/04/2017 7:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>
>>>> hello every one.
>>>> i remember that two years ago if i am correct, i asked this question
>>>> and recieved a great answer step by step.
>>>> but i dont remember the answer and the date which i asked it here.
>>>> i wish that when i use say all in firefox or any browser, nvda does
>>>> not announce link, heading table list and anything else.
>>>> i wish that only hear the document rather than link heading and all
>>>> elements.
>>>> you told me i should use trigger for this purpose.
>>>> how should i activate and use triggers for my goal?
>>>> i waite for your help, God bless you and i pray for you sincerely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: about nvda and triggers

Gene
 

I don't know the exact procedure you are following.  It doesn't matter what application you are in and you don't have to be in any to do this.  Open the profile dialog.
Create a new profile.  After giving it a name, tab to the next field and down arrow to say all.  The profile will only be triggered when you use say all and it will be triggered when you use say all in any program.
 
I'd have to create a profile to tell you the exact next steps.  You will be prompted to manually activate the profile to edit it.  Do so, I believe there is an ok or a yes button, I don't recall just what.  Then set whatever parameters you want.  Once finished, open the profile dialog again and find the profile in the list.  Tab to the deactivate button and press it with the space bar.  Tab around and see if there is an ok button and activate it if there is. 
 
I'm not sure if you have to do anything more.  I don't think so. 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers

hi quentin.
thanks so much for your reply.
but unfortunately this way does not work for me in the way that i expected!
now, nvda even does not say headings links etc by navigating with arrow keys.
when i cant hear link when i use arrow keys how can i realize that its
a link and i should press enter to open the link!?
i only want nvda does not announce elements in web browsers in say
all! not always and using arrow keys!
i remember that i recieved the helpful reply previously in the list
but i dont remember that.
thanks extremely again and God bless you.

On 4/8/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Say all does have its own profile now, so yes, you could edit just it, to
> not announce any of the elements.  To do that, open the configuration
> dialog and manually load the "Say all" profile, edit it as desired and save
> it before returning to your normal profile.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account <
> bglists@...> wrote:
>
>> Is not say all a special class of profile now?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:05 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers
>>
>>
>> I'd have to look at the create profile dialog again to see just how it is
>> set up.  Be sure it is set to manual and then, probably if you tab once
>> more, you will be in something, I thing a combo box, where you set a
>> trigger.  You want it to only be triggered when you use read to end.
>> Find
>> that item, whatever it is exactly called.  Then do the rest of the setup
>> for the profile.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nasrin khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:06 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers
>>
>>
>> hi gene.
>> thanks so much for your help..
>> i did it, but now, even i dont hear links headings etc when i use the
>> arrow keys.
>> i wish that hear the elements but only when i use shortcut keys like k
>> and h and also when i navigate by arrow keys.
>> i only want to dont hear it in say all.
>> what should i do?
>>
>> On 4/7/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the easiest way is to set up a profile with the reporting of
>>> those things turned off. Where they need to be turned off is under the
>>> document formatting section. But do not go there first it will need to
>>> be done in the profile.
>>>
>>>
>>> To set up a profile where you can do this and automatically have it done
>>> you need to do the following.
>>>
>>>
>>> Go into your browser whether it be mozilla fire fox etc. make sure it is
>>> in focus.
>>>
>>>
>>> Next Press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter P
>>>
>>>
>>> When the profile manager opens next tab to new it is a button press the
>>> space bar on it. give it a name like mozilla fire fox with out
>>> formatting then tab it will say some thing manual activation i could
>>> have to check. Do not touch this one but arrow down to current
>>> application it will say mozilla fire fox. Then tab down to the ok button
>>> then press the enter key.
>>>
>>>
>>> Next bring up document formatting with the ctrl key + nvda key + the
>>> letter D.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tab down to where it says reporting of headings list etc and uncheck
>>> those boxes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key.
>>>
>>>
>>> You might have to go back into your pro file or hopefully it is still in
>>> focus locate the profile you set up then tab to the close button then
>>> press the enter key.
>>>
>>>
>>> If set correctly you should not hear link, heading list etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> When you do it make sure you are in mozilla fire fox then bring up the
>>> profile do your changes in document formatting then after done when back
>>> in the pro file tab to close just as mentioned.
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure you will get the idea and other profiles can be set up
>>> for other applications.
>>>
>>>
>>> I find doing for a current application is far easier for a lot of
>>> people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure i gave the right directions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/04/2017 7:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>
>>>> hello every one.
>>>> i remember that two years ago if i am correct, i asked this question
>>>> and recieved a great answer step by step.
>>>> but i dont remember the answer and the date which i asked it here.
>>>> i wish that when i use say all in firefox or any browser, nvda does
>>>> not announce link, heading table list and anything else.
>>>> i wish that only hear the document rather than link heading and all
>>>> elements.
>>>> you told me i should use trigger for this purpose.
>>>> how should i activate and use triggers for my goal?
>>>> i waite for your help, God bless you and i pray for you sincerely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: about pdf files

 

Yes, there is a free (for home users) solution that does an excellent job with OCR on image PDFs that are images of text.  That being said, I have yet to find one, including the one I'm about to discuss, that handles mixed languages in a single PDF well.  I also haven't found one that deals with Arabic, either.

Tracker Software out of Canada has two free solutions.  I have generally used PDF-XChange Viewer (now deprecated, but still downloadable) which has a free and excellent OCR built-in for English, Spanish, German, and French and which can be extended to a number of other languages at no cost.  The additional language packs can be reviewed on this webpage.

It has been replaced by PDF-XChange Editor, which has more of a Universal Apps look and feel though I don't think it really is one.  It can have the same additional language packs installed as I referenced above.

Neither of these programs is 100% accessible, but the OCR function is.  Once you save the file with its OCR-ed text layer you can open it in the PDF reader of your choice and it is searchable.

Here are the step-by-step instructions I wrote for one of my former students who was using JAWS with PDF-XChange Viewer to OCR process image scanned PDF files:

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1.     Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2.     Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3.     Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4.     Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5.     Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6.     Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7.     Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8.     Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9.     Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10.                        Hit Enter to open the file or folder.  If you’re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11.  Otherwise, do the following

a.     If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b.     If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11.                        Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12.                        Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box.  Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing.  The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed.  JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes.  That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13.                        Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14.                        Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: about nvda and triggers

 

hi quentin.
thanks so much for your reply.
but unfortunately this way does not work for me in the way that i expected!
now, nvda even does not say headings links etc by navigating with arrow keys.
when i cant hear link when i use arrow keys how can i realize that its
a link and i should press enter to open the link!?
i only want nvda does not announce elements in web browsers in say
all! not always and using arrow keys!
i remember that i recieved the helpful reply previously in the list
but i dont remember that.
thanks extremely again and God bless you.

On 4/8/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Say all does have its own profile now, so yes, you could edit just it, to
not announce any of the elements. To do that, open the configuration
dialog and manually load the "Say all" profile, edit it as desired and save
it before returning to your normal profile.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Is not say all a special class of profile now?

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:05 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


I'd have to look at the create profile dialog again to see just how it is
set up. Be sure it is set to manual and then, probably if you tab once
more, you will be in something, I thing a combo box, where you set a
trigger. You want it to only be triggered when you use read to end.
Find
that item, whatever it is exactly called. Then do the rest of the setup
for the profile.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and triggers


hi gene.
thanks so much for your help..
i did it, but now, even i dont hear links headings etc when i use the
arrow keys.
i wish that hear the elements but only when i use shortcut keys like k
and h and also when i navigate by arrow keys.
i only want to dont hear it in say all.
what should i do?

On 4/7/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi


I think the easiest way is to set up a profile with the reporting of
those things turned off. Where they need to be turned off is under the
document formatting section. But do not go there first it will need to
be done in the profile.


To set up a profile where you can do this and automatically have it done
you need to do the following.


Go into your browser whether it be mozilla fire fox etc. make sure it is
in focus.


Next Press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter P


When the profile manager opens next tab to new it is a button press the
space bar on it. give it a name like mozilla fire fox with out
formatting then tab it will say some thing manual activation i could
have to check. Do not touch this one but arrow down to current
application it will say mozilla fire fox. Then tab down to the ok button
then press the enter key.


Next bring up document formatting with the ctrl key + nvda key + the
letter D.


Tab down to where it says reporting of headings list etc and uncheck
those boxes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key.


You might have to go back into your pro file or hopefully it is still in
focus locate the profile you set up then tab to the close button then
press the enter key.


If set correctly you should not hear link, heading list etc.


When you do it make sure you are in mozilla fire fox then bring up the
profile do your changes in document formatting then after done when back
in the pro file tab to close just as mentioned.

I am pretty sure you will get the idea and other profiles can be set up
for other applications.


I find doing for a current application is far easier for a lot of
people.


Gene nz


I am pretty sure i gave the right directions.







On 7/04/2017 7:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hello every one.
i remember that two years ago if i am correct, i asked this question
and recieved a great answer step by step.
but i dont remember the answer and the date which i asked it here.
i wish that when i use say all in firefox or any browser, nvda does
not announce link, heading table list and anything else.
i wish that only hear the document rather than link heading and all
elements.
you told me i should use trigger for this purpose.
how should i activate and use triggers for my goal?
i waite for your help, God bless you and i pray for you sincerely.





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about pdf files

Abdurrahman Taş
 

İ want to be able to read the files that needs ocr They contain some arabic characters. İ wonder if NVDA or jaws add'ons can open that files  it is not,  is fine reader enough for this? 
thanks for your help.
Best regards.Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> şunları yazdı (8 Nis 2017 12:46):

Oops, sorry I completely missed that in the original question!

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Not sure it does Arabic though, that is the issue, and may indeed by why these pdfs are pictures in the first place of course.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about pdf files


There is an OCR addon for NVDA you could try.  See
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html for details and
instructions.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Abdurrahman Taş <
abdurrahman_hoca@...> wrote:

Hi all, I’ve some pdf files that require ocr. İs there any free or cheap
solution  to open this files? And I should say that it contains arabic
characters.

Best regards.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Aria-live and interactive fiction

Felix G.
 

Thank you, will give it a try.
Kind regards,
Felix

Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 2017 um 11:56 Uhr:

Felix, while this is not the official NVDA add-ons page, and, would thus not recommend relying on all of them, I have both the interactive fiction interpreter, and, the winfrotz add-on listed on this page installed, and, along with winfrotz 1.16, it means NVDA reads out the output to me, and, lets me use object navigation to review it as well:

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm


(sorry if should not have posted that page on this list)


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-04-08 11:01, Felix G. wrote:
Hi!
Since I'm a huge fan of IF myself, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a good interpreter for ZCode and Glulx games which works well with NVDA in terms of automatically announcing new text and interrupting when I press a key. Windows Frotz and Windows Glulxe do have built-in speech but that cannot be interrupted, and when using them without speech NVDA does not announce new content as it is printed even though I have installed an add-on for this. Any suggestions? Maybe just the add-on that needs updating?
Kind regards,
Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 2017 um 02:47 Uhr:
Not sure but parchment seems to be quite old now, it works well enough
especially for complex games for me if you don't use a glulx zcode or
tads interpreter offline which I do sometimes do this works really well.




On 7/04/2017 7:50 p.m., Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lately I've been testing online interactive fiction interpreters. All
> these implement aria (precisely,aria-live="polite",
> aria-atomic="false", aria-relevant="additions"). The problem is that
> with some specific games (like Ad Verbum) NVDA fails to output
> anything automatically. Link to test this (with Parchment):
>
> adverbum - Parchment
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/zcode/adverbum.z5>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone can clarify why this happens? Note that this is not specific to
> this game, but this only happens in Parchment (see
> <http://www.eblong.com/zarf/glulx/quixe/quixe/play-remote.html?story=stories/Advent.ulx.js>).
> That works properly...
>
> Even more weirdness: Andrew Plotkin uses an older version of Parchment
> with no ARIA, and it works surprisingly well (compare
> <http://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/> and
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://eblong.com/zarf/ftp/Tangle.z5>.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks very much,
>
>
> Sukil
>
>
>






Re: Aria-live and interactive fiction

Jacob Kruger
 

Felix, while this is not the official NVDA add-ons page, and, would thus not recommend relying on all of them, I have both the interactive fiction interpreter, and, the winfrotz add-on listed on this page installed, and, along with winfrotz 1.16, it means NVDA reads out the output to me, and, lets me use object navigation to review it as well:

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm


(sorry if should not have posted that page on this list)


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-04-08 11:01, Felix G. wrote:

Hi!
Since I'm a huge fan of IF myself, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a good interpreter for ZCode and Glulx games which works well with NVDA in terms of automatically announcing new text and interrupting when I press a key. Windows Frotz and Windows Glulxe do have built-in speech but that cannot be interrupted, and when using them without speech NVDA does not announce new content as it is printed even though I have installed an add-on for this. Any suggestions? Maybe just the add-on that needs updating?
Kind regards,
Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 2017 um 02:47 Uhr:
Not sure but parchment seems to be quite old now, it works well enough
especially for complex games for me if you don't use a glulx zcode or
tads interpreter offline which I do sometimes do this works really well.




On 7/04/2017 7:50 p.m., Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lately I've been testing online interactive fiction interpreters. All
> these implement aria (precisely,aria-live="polite",
> aria-atomic="false", aria-relevant="additions"). The problem is that
> with some specific games (like Ad Verbum) NVDA fails to output
> anything automatically. Link to test this (with Parchment):
>
> adverbum - Parchment
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/zcode/adverbum.z5>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone can clarify why this happens? Note that this is not specific to
> this game, but this only happens in Parchment (see
> <http://www.eblong.com/zarf/glulx/quixe/quixe/play-remote.html?story=stories/Advent.ulx.js>).
> That works properly...
>
> Even more weirdness: Andrew Plotkin uses an older version of Parchment
> with no ARIA, and it works surprisingly well (compare
> <http://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/> and
> <http://iplayif.com/?story=http://eblong.com/zarf/ftp/Tangle.z5>.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks very much,
>
>
> Sukil
>
>
>






Re: about pdf files

Quentin Christensen
 

Oops, sorry I completely missed that in the original question!

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Not sure it does Arabic though, that is the issue, and may indeed by why these pdfs are pictures in the first place of course.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about pdf files


There is an OCR addon for NVDA you could try.  See
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html for details and
instructions.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Abdurrahman Taş <
abdurrahman_hoca@...> wrote:

Hi all, I’ve some pdf files that require ocr. İs there any free or cheap
solution  to open this files? And I should say that it contains arabic
characters.

Best regards.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: about pdf files

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not sure it does Arabic though, that is the issue, and may indeed by why these pdfs are pictures in the first place of course.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about pdf files


There is an OCR addon for NVDA you could try. See
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html for details and
instructions.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Abdurrahman Taş <
abdurrahman_hoca@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi all, I’ve some pdf files that require ocr. İs there any free or cheap
solution to open this files? And I should say that it contains arabic
characters.

Best regards.





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA and Kindle for PC

Felix G.
 

Hi!
For me, completely re-installing the Kindle app solved the problem of NVDA not seeing any content in the document page view.
Kind regards,
Felix

Kwork <istherelife@...> schrieb am Mo., 3. Apr. 2017 um 21:24 Uhr:

Ok, weird, then there is something else going on. Being a fairly new
implementation, it's possibly a bug.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to read certain kindle content with latest NVDA
and Kindle for PC


Hello

Thanks for the tip Travis.  Interestingly all of the books I purchase
have Enhanced Typesetting enabled.

Take care

James


On 02/04/2017 09:33, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am finding the same situation. The books I'm trying to read (at
> least some of them) are compatible with screen readers, but they
> aren't read. Here you have a free book to test this. If anyone could
> help, I would appreciate it (change the .es part  if you aren't from
> Spain).
>
> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B01FLMWTAA/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sukil
>
>
>
>
> El 02/04/2017 a las 5:04, Kwork escribió:
>> Yes. You have to look on the page of the book for something called
>> Enhanced
>> Typesetting. If it is enabled, you should be able to read the book.
>> Not all
>> books have this feature. If Enhanced Typesetting is not enabled, you
>> won't
>> be able to read the book with NVDA and Kindle for PC.
>> Travis
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James AUSTIN" <james.londonsw15@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 2:38 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] Unable to read certain kindle content with latest
>> NVDA and
>> Kindle for PC
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> As the subject line says, I am unable to read certain Kindle content
>> with the latest NVDA and Kindle for PC. Text-to-Speech is enabled for
>> the books in question, so I am wondering if has something to do with the
>> automatic reading of content by Kindle's in-built text-to-speech.
>>
>> Has anyone else encountered this please and if so, have they any
>> suggestions. When reading other content, NVDA reads as expected.
>>
>> I am using latest stable NVDA and Kindle for PC v. 1.20.1
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>