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Re: 2 items need help with

Chris
 

You are welcome Mark

 

Sorry cant help with your outlook problem

 

 

 


Re: 2 items need help with

Mark <mark@...>
 

Many thanks you are a life saver

Works a treet was driving me made

Mark.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: 13 April 2017 08:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2 items need help with

 

If you go to control panel

Then open file explorer options

Then go to the view tab

Then uncheck the option to use check boxes to select items

 

Then apply and ok

 

Tht should fix it

 

 


Re: reminder

Jacob Kruger
 

I use audacity for recording, and, audio tweaking, and, it works fine with NVDA.


Stay well


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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017-04-13 07:54, Ame wrote:

Hi guys!  Someone suggested some free recording software for music production and I don’t remember what they said.  I know someone recommended Reaper and I’ve read good things about it.  But, I don’t remember the name of the other DAW.  Would someone care to refresh my memory?  I think it starts with Q?  I’d like to read some reviews on it if I can.  Thanks so much.


Re: 2 items need help with

Chris
 

If you go to control panel

Then open file explorer options

Then go to the view tab

Then uncheck the option to use check boxes to select items

 

Then apply and ok

 

Tht should fix it

 

 


2 items need help with

Mark <mark@...>
 

Good morning,

I have 2 problems

1 how do you stop NVDA keep saying checked when you arrow over items

For example on the desktop if I arrow to this pc it announces this pc check box checked

Using a touch screen pc

2 in outlook 365 2016

When  I go in my inbox I have to tab then shift tab before it will read my messages

Mark.


Re: How do I access invisible icons in Firefox?

 

Hello
This sounds like a problem with the apps you are installing
and not one for firefox or nvda.

I have several apps installed and all are labelled so that i can find them.
Try installing another app that does the same thing but might be better labelled or if no alternative is available write to the dev and
tell them to label their apps.


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On 12/04/2017 21:47, Richard Tomaszewski wrote:
Hi.

I have tried to install VPN apps in Firefox, and they do install, but
they need to be activated. That is done by clicking their icon at the
top right of the Firefox screen. However, I haven't been able to find
the icon with Firefox. Is there a way to do this? Perhaps label the
icon with the help of a sighted person?

Richard


Re: reminder

Ame
 

Thanks Simon.  I’ll check that out tomorrow.


Re: reminder

Simon Jaeger
 

Hi,

The name of the other program was QWS. Unless you trash your emails and then empty your trash, you should be able to find the other emails recommending some gear you can get. If you can't for some reason, I'll be watching this thread and can go retrieve it from archives.


Hope this helps,


Simon



On 2017-04-12 22:54, Ame wrote:
Hi guys!  Someone suggested some free recording software for music production and I don’t remember what they said.  I know someone recommended Reaper and I’ve read good things about it.  But, I don’t remember the name of the other DAW.  Would someone care to refresh my memory?  I think it starts with Q?  I’d like to read some reviews on it if I can.  Thanks so much.


reminder

Ame
 

Hi guys!  Someone suggested some free recording software for music production and I don’t remember what they said.  I know someone recommended Reaper and I’ve read good things about it.  But, I don’t remember the name of the other DAW.  Would someone care to refresh my memory?  I think it starts with Q?  I’d like to read some reviews on it if I can.  Thanks so much.


Re: Email client issue

Ian McDonald
 

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On 4/12/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Thunderbird seems to be very popular. I'm using windows 7 here and still
find that Outlook express is useful, you get three licences for 2-0 Euros
for tthe conversion program to run it.
It has one drawback on 10 though, Microsofts major updates trash it, and
you need to reinstall. I'd assume that this is not the case with
Thunderbird.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jenny Uy" <lejendaree@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] Email client issue


Hi everyone,

When I log into my Windows Live email account, I can scroll through the
emails, but I can't get NVDa to read the content of the email. Can anyone
help or recommend another email client that I might use, other than
gmail?

Thank you!




i am looking for accessible Video Splitter

tsengel
 

hello Lister
thank you for scan solution with NVDA
so i need to accessible Video Splitter
and i have some video podcast
but i can not cut and Split files
please help to find great solution
any suggestions
i will be appreciate for all!
M. tsengel


Re: Email Client

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Peter,


Keep in mind that if you do not have a Microsoft Office product installed then the spell checker will not work in Windows Live Mail.  You can get a number of free spell checkers that will work with Windows Live Mail.  I haven't needed one for a while, but someone on the list will probably recommend one or you can Google Spell Checker for Windows Live Mail and find one.



On 4/13/2017 12:03 AM, Gene wrote:
If you mean to run the spellchecker, the short cut command is f7.  That is a very common command to run the spell checker in programs that have them.
 
Gene
------- Original Message -----
From: Peter Chin
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well. However, I have not found a way to  enable the spellcheck facility. Suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses.

Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers.  One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed.  That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit.  That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird.

I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail.   It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client.  If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here.  I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support.

I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint.  The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical.   If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back.
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Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 08:19 pm, Pauline Smith wrote:
I use NVDA with no additional add-ons.  I have never installed any add-ons and am not sure where or how to do so.  Most of the people I know or teach who use this screen reader do not use add-ons.

Pauline,

         As an aside I would really encourage you to take a look at the add-ons available for NVDA here.  You might be very, very pleasantly surprised at some of what you find and, if you start using certain add-ons, wonder how you ever managed (or would ever want to manage) without them.

         For me, some of the add-ons are an integral part of "The NVDA Experience."

         They're worth checking out even if you don't use them they're worth knowing about in case someone using NVDA or learning NVDA expressed the desire to be able to do one or more of the many things the add-ons make possible, or at least much, much easier.
--
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            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Email Client

Gene
 

If you mean to run the spellchecker, the short cut command is f7.  That is a very common command to run the spell checker in programs that have them.
 
Gene

------- Original Message -----
From: Peter Chin
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well. However, I have not found a way to  enable the spellcheck facility. Suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses.

Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers.  One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed.  That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit.  That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird.

I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail.   It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client.  If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here.  I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support.

I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint.  The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical.   If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Email Client

Peter Chin
 

I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well. However, I have not found a way to  enable the spellcheck facility. Suggestions would be appreciated.
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses.

Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers.  One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed.  That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit.  That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird.

I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail.   It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client.  If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here.  I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support.

I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint.  The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical.   If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker using Word 2010

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

When using the laptop layout, follow these steps.
1. Open your spellchecker.
2. Tab to suggestions.
3. Use the up and down arrow keys to navigate through the suggestions.
4. When you find the word you want, press the NVDA key plus L twice rapidly.
Hope this helps.
Chris


Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 04:52 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
To Brian V: what Brian S is looking for is a way for NVDA to announce names of updates as they are being downloaded.

Joseph,

          I understood exactly what was being asked for.  I was trying to explain two things:

  1. When you're in the Update & Security settings, Windows Update pane, it works very differently than "the old Windows Update did" in that not all of the updates are listed for you to go through and select when you first fire up Windows Update.  There's something akin to the "spinner circle" but it's a straight line of traveling dots, that generally runs for several minutes until the first update (if there are any) of a possible list of updates shows up and the list doesn't just complete moments after that.  I find the way the Windows 10 Windows Update downloads the updates list more than a bit frustrating myself, but it is what it is.  I don't get to see all the updates that are to be applied all at once nor do I get to pick and choose what will be installed.
  2. In the end we're all in the same boat whether we learn about the content of the updates just before the installation begins or just after the installation begins.  Unless you've got a single update that occurs at lightning speed, and I have yet to have one of those even if it's just a Windows Defender definition update, you can navigate up to the completed list when you hear that the first lengthy download is started or the installation has begun.

I have no problem with the concept of having the updates announced as the list is populated with the updates found, but it is a big question as to how easy this would be and as to whether resources are not better spent elsewhere since updates cannot be rejected.

Windows as a service has drastically changed the whole Windows Update paradigm and we're all going to have to get used to that.  The most significant change is that update selection will no longer be possible (at least for most users of Windows - I don't wish to get into Enterprise or Educational - both of which are very focused sub-markets within the Windows 10 market as a whole).

If someone thinks it's a cinch to present these updates as they pop into the list as it's built then have at it.  I have no objection to that, but I believe the other Brian is not considering what is likely involved in achieving that goal nor whether that goal, great as it may be, should be a priority.  I will gladly say I do not think it should be a priority as there will be many more critical things to address (there are some already, actually).

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker using Word 2010

Gene
 

Numpad 8 should spell anything on the current line.  If it didn't, I don't know why. 
I'm not sure what other command you have in mind.  NVDA key numpad 5 reads the current object.  If pressed twice, it spells it.  If pressed three times, it copies the current object text to the clipboard.  Perhaps you are confusing NVDA numpad 5 with NVDA numpad 8.  NVDA numpad 8 moves out of the current object to the containing object.  As I said, NVDA numpad 5 reads the current object and often reads the same material as numpad 8 by itself.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker using Word 2010

Yes, I was referring to the up arrow in the group of arrows (on a full size keyboard, a laptop keyboard may or may not compromise on what keys are there), not numpad 8.  In the original context of the spell check, the list of suggested words is able to receive keyboard focus, so using the regular read current line command does read the current suggestion.  The problem was that pressing this twice to spell the line (which in this case only contained one word) wasn't spelling it.  I perhaps confused things by then suggesting that the review command to read the current word could also be used.  Does that make sense?

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
He is obviously referring to the Up Arrow key, not the Numpad Up Arrow key.

On 4/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> NVDA key and up arrow doesn't read the current line.  The command to read
> current line is Numpad 8 by itself.  I don't know the laptop command.  The
> key describer says this for NVDA key up arrow or numpad 8,, however you want
> to call it.  Moves the navigator object to the object containing it.  In
> other words, it moves up in the hierarchy of objects.  That is a movement
> command, not read current line.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker using
> Word 2010
>
>
> NVDA+up arrow (in desktop layout) should read the current line, pressing it
> twice spells the current line.  In Laptop layout the equivalent command is
> NVDA+L.  Normally I would have included both keys and I probably should have
> - I just used the desktop keys to avoid confusion since the original
> question stated NVDA+up arrow so the assumption is that Dan is using desktop
> layout.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>
>   Are you saying numpad up arrow?  Saying NVDA up arrow means the NVDA key
> and up arrow which doesn't do what you are describing.  it is a movement
> command.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- original Message -----
>
>   From: Quentin Christensen
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:22 PM
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker
> using Word 2010
>
>
>   Hi Dan,
>
>
>   When you press NVDA+up arrow once it reads the item, if you hold down NVDA
> and tap up arrow twice quickly, it should spell it.  As a workaround, try
> NVDA+numpad5 twice quickly.
>
>
>   I just tried on a couple of machines - I don't have Office 2010 handy, but
> I have one Windows 7 machine with Office 2007, a Windows 10 (stable) machine
> with Office 2016 and a Windows 10 fast insider build with Office 2016.  On
> the machine running the fast insider build of Windows 10 / Office 2016, I
> found initially it wouldn't spell the suggested word, but after I restarted
> Word, it behaved.  Alternatively, press NVDA+numpad5 twice to spell the
> word.  I'll keep investigating though to see whether there is an issue.
>
>
>   Regards
>
>
>   Quentin.
>
>
>   On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...>
> wrote:
>
>     Greeting to all
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>     When using Word 2010 spell checker, NVDA will spell an error, but when
> tabing into the list of suggested words will not spell them.  I know speech
> is to automatically spell the error. However, when in the list of suggested
> replacements, holding NVDA Key and tapping up arrow will not spell the
> replacement suggested.
>
>     What feature do I not have checked on?
>
>     Thanks for any advice in advance.
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Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

Pauline Smith
 

Good Evening,


I use NVDA with no additional add-ons.  I have never installed any add-ons and am not sure where or how to do so.  Most of the people I know or teach who use this screen reader do not use add-ons.


Pauline

  


On 4/12/2017 9:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Brian and all,

Hmmm, if I heard you right, you believe that community add-ons is the only reason why people embrace NVDA. I’d like to respectfully disagree. But first, a few facts:

  • NVDA is a decade-old product. It began as a response to high cost of assistive technology, with developers championing equal access to technology.
  • NVDA is not the only screen reader with add-ons or extensions: JAWS had it for years, and so did Window-Eyes and others. What other screen reader users call “scripts”, that’s what NVDA community calls “add-ons”. We may as well call NVDA add-ons “scripts”, but add-ons are much more powerful than app-specific scripts.

Thus, my answer to the question posed: no. NVDA is more than code or add-ons. Although people may say that community add-ons is the only reason why people embrace NVDA (perhaps due to numerous powerful add-ons out there), the ultimate goal of NonVisual Desktop Access is opening opportunities for many. At the end of NVDACon 2016, I (the former chair of NVDA Users and Developers Conference and the person who started this event in 2014) have labeled NVDA as a global movement, seeing that NVDA is opening doors to employment, education and what not. Community add-ons are just a part of the overall picture; the big picture is seeing people unlock their full potential through this open-source, free, and community-driven screen reader.

Regarding add-ons: you may have noticed me using the phrase “powerful add-ons”. Yes, there are add-ons out there that brings features from other screen readers and makes improvements upon them, such as Golden Cursor, Place Markers and what not. Some of you may say that my add-ons such as Windows 10 App Essentials, StationPlaylist Studio, ObjPad and what not are themselves powerful add-ons (I consider StationPlaylist Studio to be the most powerful add-on I’m working on at the moment, closely followed by windows 10 App Essentials), but there are more powerful add-ons out there than these, some of which that are yet to be written. I call some of these powerful not only because of technical effort involved (see Windows 10 app Essentials, for instance), but also because they have huge impact on lives of many, not only for those using them, but others who’ll come to meet users of add-ons, and in extension, NVDA. This is the reason why one of the questions I asked dealt with experiences of others – I personally will not proceed with feature suggestions unless people in addition to the person who suggested it benefits from them.

Regarding feature suggestions: personally, when I come across a feature suggestion for NVDA itself, I have a tendency to ask people for justifications, and NV Access staff and other developers do ask folks to try to reproduce with other screen readers (I am josephsl on GitHub). If a suggestion does have merit and has potential to benefit many, then one or more developers will research further (such is the case with my work on add-on updates). Every year, the community sees at least one feature suggestion that (literally or metaphorically) says, “I want to see something from another screen reader come to NVDA”. The most recent example is virtual ribbons, which NV Access has turned down as there are ways people can use ribbons to its potential without resorting to emulating menu systems (ask Quentin for details). There are times when a feature suggestion cannot be implemented due to reasons beyond developers’ control, such as a recent request to make NVDA a universal app (this cannot be done due to technical reasons). There were calls by some in the community to NV Access asking them to integrate features from Windows 10 App Essentials add-on into NVDA itself, which is happening bit by bit (I’ll need to reserve a thread on how third-party code makes their way to NVDA, and one route is features from add-ons coming onboard). There are other interesting things to talk about (which will take at least an hour to talk about) regarding feature suggestions the community receives, but for the most part, you can expect to see someone responding to your requests, either asking you to tell us (developers) how to reproduce the issue, attach a log output, try with other screen readers in hopes of reproducing it and what not. I’ll write a more detailed message about NVDA and add-on feature suggestions, including what and what not to do, what to do when disagreements arise, categorizing issues and so on.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

    Yes I do believe so as far as I know nvda is the only screen reader that does have add ons so it's a very big factor and it's free.  I know that there are people all arround the world who use nvda so there input hould be concitered as well. 

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 8:37 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Brian,

May I ask you this: is community add-ons the only reason why people embrace NVDA? I’d like to hear your answer first before giving mine, because I think this is a great opportunity for us to talk about this.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

        Thats not very long for the whole nvda community to respond to thats only 2 days which means that you are not giving it a chance this is what happened with my ie request add on you just keep on proving that you don't really care both add ons should be done even if users don't say that want them because if they had them they might see how much better their experience is with nvda theese 2 add ons would greatly benifit new users of nvda if you build it they will come meaning that users will use theese add ons and greatly appreciate them and the great work that you are doing.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 8:17 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Brian,

If I don’t hear from anyone that seconds this request by this Friday, then I’ll consider this request closed for the time being.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

    I don't have a windows 7 pc I don't use narator as for the time take what time that you need and as for how many users would want this add on thats ask all users and find out.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 8:10 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Please answer the following questions, as it’ll help me with a potential research:

  1. Do you have a Windows 7 or 8.1 computer you can test to see if NVDA announces update titles as they are being downloaded?
  2. If you use Narrator in Windows 10, do you hear Narrator announce update titles as they are being downloaded?
  3. On the scale from 1 to 10, how likely do you think others will use this suggestion?
  4. How long do you think I can spend to implement this feature, complete with testing it on Windows 10 versions 1511, 1607, 1703 and Insider builds?

Not that I’ll turn this request down today – I want you to ask deep questions as you help me with my research. Nor I’m going to avoid this request today - I want you to give me justifications so I can allocate time for it. Not that NVDA developers will ignore this request – they will work on it if justifications are there (to digress a bit, there was a feature suggestion to implement virtual ribbons but was turned down as there was no compelling justifications and it is a matter of people learning how to use it effectively).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

    The thing that you need to research is how do you get nvda to read the updates as they come in your are avoiding the issue.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 7:52 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Brian, Brian and others,

To Brian V: what Brian S is looking for is a way for NVDA to announce names of updates as they are being downloaded.

To Brian S: so you are saying that, in Windows 7, NVDA somehow announces names of updates as it is being downloaded? My experience does not confirm this, as in when I run my Windows 7 VM for testing, I don’t hear NVDA announce names of updates as they are being downloaded. Nor does Narrator announce names of updates when they are being downloaded in Windows 10. If you do have justifications, let me know so I can consider them, and I will also weigh in user experience consistency when deciding if it is something I need to research this summer.

Cheers,

Joseph (WinTenApps add-on author)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

    Yes I do want updates to be announced as they come in asI get updates when Icheck for them and I wait until I know that they have been successfully installed or not and there is no reason that this can't be done but you just don't care.  This is the second request that I have made and I got the same response.  The first request was for an add on for ie to read the percentages when downloading and now this request for an add on to announce every update as it comes in.  The clear reality here is if the developers of nvda don't want somthing in nvda it's just not going to happen.   It's not about it's about the en users of your product nvda.  If you truly did care about the users of nvda then you would make theese 2 add ons that I have requested.  There is no such as it can't be done that only says that you just don't want to do it.  The developers and the add on community does not really care at all about the requests of the users of nvda because the profe is in the poodding.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 6:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian,

          I can see.  I cannot see what updates I will get until the list has populated, usually one by one.  Yes, I can see what's coming in before the install begins, but what does that matter because you can't stop it.

          If you want to know what's being installed then you need to constantly go and trigger a Check for Updates and wait for the first to begin either downloading or installing (depending on the sizes involved) and review the list.

          It's essentially no different than what the sighted get except that you need to wait for the auditory cue that the updates have begun downloading or installing.

          Things have changed in Windows 10 and the vast majority of users, including myself, have no idea of what's being installed until after the fact because Windows Update has changed significantly and by design keeps the process as "set it and forget it" as possible.

           I don't know what you think that the add-on should do unless you want it to lock up your processing by watching and waiting for each update name to be populated in the list, which is not always quick.

           If you want to know what's coming in you can wait and listen using NVDA, rather than look, as the sighted world has to do but with sight.  No screen reader is telepathic about how a dynamic list might populate until it's done populating.
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Re: nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker using Word 2010

Quentin Christensen
 

Yes, I was referring to the up arrow in the group of arrows (on a full size keyboard, a laptop keyboard may or may not compromise on what keys are there), not numpad 8.  In the original context of the spell check, the list of suggested words is able to receive keyboard focus, so using the regular read current line command does read the current suggestion.  The problem was that pressing this twice to spell the line (which in this case only contained one word) wasn't spelling it.  I perhaps confused things by then suggesting that the review command to read the current word could also be used.  Does that make sense?

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
He is obviously referring to the Up Arrow key, not the Numpad Up Arrow key.

On 4/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> NVDA key and up arrow doesn't read the current line.  The command to read
> current line is Numpad 8 by itself.  I don't know the laptop command.  The
> key describer says this for NVDA key up arrow or numpad 8,, however you want
> to call it.  Moves the navigator object to the object containing it.  In
> other words, it moves up in the hierarchy of objects.  That is a movement
> command, not read current line.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:30 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker using
> Word 2010
>
>
> NVDA+up arrow (in desktop layout) should read the current line, pressing it
> twice spells the current line.  In Laptop layout the equivalent command is
> NVDA+L.  Normally I would have included both keys and I probably should have
> - I just used the desktop keys to avoid confusion since the original
> question stated NVDA+up arrow so the assumption is that Dan is using desktop
> layout.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>
>   Are you saying numpad up arrow?  Saying NVDA up arrow means the NVDA key
> and up arrow which doesn't do what you are describing.  it is a movement
> command.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- original Message -----
>
>   From: Quentin Christensen
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:22 PM
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not spelling suggested words in Spell Checker
> using Word 2010
>
>
>   Hi Dan,
>
>
>   When you press NVDA+up arrow once it reads the item, if you hold down NVDA
> and tap up arrow twice quickly, it should spell it.  As a workaround, try
> NVDA+numpad5 twice quickly.
>
>
>   I just tried on a couple of machines - I don't have Office 2010 handy, but
> I have one Windows 7 machine with Office 2007, a Windows 10 (stable) machine
> with Office 2016 and a Windows 10 fast insider build with Office 2016.  On
> the machine running the fast insider build of Windows 10 / Office 2016, I
> found initially it wouldn't spell the suggested word, but after I restarted
> Word, it behaved.  Alternatively, press NVDA+numpad5 twice to spell the
> word.  I'll keep investigating though to see whether there is an issue.
>
>
>   Regards
>
>
>   Quentin.
>
>
>   On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...>
> wrote:
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>     Greeting to all
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>     When using Word 2010 spell checker, NVDA will spell an error, but when
> tabing into the list of suggested words will not spell them.  I know speech
> is to automatically spell the error. However, when in the list of suggested
> replacements, holding NVDA Key and tapping up arrow will not spell the
> replacement suggested.
>
>     What feature do I not have checked on?
>
>     Thanks for any advice in advance.
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