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Re: What's new in Stascom Utility Suite version 2017.1.7:

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both
download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz

On 14/01/2017 5:57 PM, Jacques wrote:
Hi All

Apologies to those who receive this as a cross posting.

Please allow me to thank everyone who has contacted me with comments
and suggestions on my program. I am surprised about how many people
around the globe are using the package. I really appreciate all the
feedback.

What's new in Stascom Utility Suite version 2017.1.7:
•Minimum allowed volume can now be specified by the user between 5 and
50 percent,
catering for use of audio induction systems, earphones or amplification;
•when minimum or maximum volume is reached with the volume adjustment
keys, a SAPI5 message will now report the level
percentage, replacing the previously used message boxes;
•When sound recovery is made, a SAPI5 message will report the event,
name of sound card and the time recovery was performed;
•specifying window title exceptions hot key for auto maximising was
removed, it's now a button
in the configuration window under auto maximising options;
•day / night volume adjustment will default to disabled with a new
installation. If enabled in a previous installation,
the old setting will be honoured;
•added hot keys for typing accented and other special characters;
•when Stascom is active, the desktop shortcut will open the program
menu, similar to pressing control+Windows+M;
•added an option to announce time on the quarter hour;
•added an option to change the chime sounds used for time announcements;
•simplified configuration window interface;
•Enhanced summary report;
•fixed a problem where status messages occasionally were spoken twice
on slower processors;
•fixed a bug where "on the half hour time announcements were spoken
after the last active hour of the day;
•fixed a bug where volume, if manually changed after pre-defined
night-time, did not adjust to night-volume at midnight;
•fixed a bug where the installer on some configurations did not
recognise a previous installation;
•fixed a bug where some previously defined settings were not retained
after an update;
•fixed appdata and Windows temp folder entries in the Windows
applications and settings hot key;
•users of versions prior to 2017.1.7, please read the heading on
changes in the latest version in the user guide;
•first time users, please read the installation instructions in the
user guide on my web site prior to installing.

http://www.stascom.co.za


Accessible Speed Test

 

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver


Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Chris
 

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not individually?

 

 

 

 


Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Control down-arrow reads an entire paragraph. Control up-arrow reads the previous paragraph.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

 

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

 

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to

do exactly what I need.


I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

 

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.


You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that

in the menu options anywhere.


Thank you for your help.

Paul

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function


Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 

 

I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.

 

there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.

 

Here is an article discussing some of these programs.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

 

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube

before I ask more questions.

 

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with

this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

 

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

 

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken

link.

 

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,

is there a way to only buy one voice for less?


Thank you for the help.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.

 

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I agree with you here. There really is no excuse for carelessness or sloppiness. I too know what NVDA stands for so I don't need it to say the actual words.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

 

We will have to disagree.  I want to know when someone is being careless or sloppy, just as a sighted person does when looking at the screen.  I know what NVDA is, in capitals or lower case   It is read as if it’s a word but its meaning is plain.

And I don't think a screen-reader should encourage carelessness  by hiding it. 

 

Gene

 

Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:28 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

 

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 07:55 am, Gene wrote:

Carelesness and sloppy writing are endemic today but that isn't the screen-reader's responsibility to redress. 

Gene,

          That is indeed true in theory, but it sure would be helpful if it did it in practice.   I cannot tell you how many times people on this very list write NVDA in its lowercase format.  I'll tweak the dictionary myself, as its a trivial exercise, but making things the most functional at handling what is, rather than what should be, is a far better design philosophy, period.
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Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Jacob Kruger
 

Have you tried it with just narrator running, to double-check if it's the OS itself that might be blocking it?


Stay well


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On 2017-04-15 18:05, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,
I just got a computer and the windows key commands do not work. When I press windows+m or windows+d all I hear is the letter being said and not the command being executed. I can press the Windows key and the start menu opens and when I go into input help and press windows+d I hear "windows+d", but the command does not pass through to the computer.
Does anyone know what may be happening? There are some access restrictions on the computer, but I am not aware of any access restriction that would restrict the windows key commands not working.
I am guessing that the commands are being stopped somewhere in the event tree because otherwise NVDA would not say windows+d. Does anyone know of what may be causing this?
Thank you,


Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Gene
 

We will have to disagree.  I want to know when someone is being careless or sloppy, just as a sighted person does when looking at the screen.  I know what NVDA is, in capitals or lower case   It is read as if it’s a word but its meaning is plain.
And I don't think a screen-reader should encourage carelessness  by hiding it. 
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 07:55 am, Gene wrote:
Carelesness and sloppy writing are endemic today but that isn't the screen-reader's responsibility to redress. 

Gene,

          That is indeed true in theory, but it sure would be helpful if it did it in practice.   I cannot tell you how many times people on this very list write NVDA in its lowercase format.  I'll tweak the dictionary myself, as its a trivial exercise, but making things the most functional at handling what is, rather than what should be, is a far better design philosophy, period.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Windows Key commands not working?

 

Hello,
I just got a computer and the windows key commands do not work. When I press windows+m or windows+d all I hear is the letter being said and not the command being executed. I can press the Windows key and the start menu opens and when I go into input help and press windows+d I hear "windows+d", but the command does not pass through to the computer.
Does anyone know what may be happening? There are some access restrictions on the computer, but I am not aware of any access restriction that would restrict the windows key commands not working.
I am guessing that the commands are being stopped somewhere in the event tree because otherwise NVDA would not say windows+d. Does anyone know of what may be causing this?
Thank you,


Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

 

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 07:55 am, Gene wrote:
Carelesness and sloppy writing are endemic today but that isn't the screen-reader's responsibility to redress. 

Gene,

          That is indeed true in theory, but it sure would be helpful if it did it in practice.   I cannot tell you how many times people on this very list write NVDA in its lowercase format.  I'll tweak the dictionary myself, as its a trivial exercise, but making things the most functional at handling what is, rather than what should be, is a far better design philosophy, period.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Gene
 

the name should be written in capitals.  I don't think the screen-reader should compensate for people's carelessness. Carelesness and sloppy writing are endemic today but that isn't the screen-reader's responsibility to redress. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Just a brief update:  NVDA is saying N V D A when written all in caps.  It so happened I was looking at a message where the writer had written it in lowercase.

I am aware that I can add a dictionary entry for lowercase NVDA, and may, but this is a case where the likelihood of the lowercase version being anything other than the same as the uppercase version is very close to, or actually, zero.  I just found it odd that NVDA doesn't recognize this particular quirk without requiring customization by the end user.

It's certainly not an earth-shattering issue, that's for sure.
--
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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

 

Just a brief update:  NVDA is saying N V D A when written all in caps.  It so happened I was looking at a message where the writer had written it in lowercase.

I am aware that I can add a dictionary entry for lowercase NVDA, and may, but this is a case where the likelihood of the lowercase version being anything other than the same as the uppercase version is very close to, or actually, zero.  I just found it odd that NVDA doesn't recognize this particular quirk without requiring customization by the end user.

It's certainly not an earth-shattering issue, that's for sure.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: vocalizer tiflotechnia

Quentin Christensen
 

Oh I wasn't arguing against the merits of them producing an update, just thinking it was unusual to see someone simply ask when an update was coming for a particular product without specifying something like "It keeps crashing when XYZ, I'd love to see an update to fix this" or "on other platforms, lots of new voices have been released, will we see them here soon please?".

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
There are crashes with certain text strings. There are pronunciation issues. There are a lack of new voices that have been released on other platforms. I could go on, but why bother? Fact is, this community heard about an update that was purportedly coming over a year ago, and we still have yet to see anything about this update... the representative from this company keeps telling us that it is coming, but I think that those of us who use it have reached our patience limit with this speech engine. There are alternatives which users can use and still get access to Vocalizer, and I highly recommend them.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:17 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update will resolve?  Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new update?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:
Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?




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Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Brian's Mail list account
 

This is up to you. You could just make a dictionary entry if you liked, but I do often have to make sure it says N V D A otherwise spelling checkers can decide its a mis spelled Navada.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?


Not all! NASA, by example, is read as a word...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?



On my machine, if NVDA is written as capital letters, it is pronounced properly. This is a general behavior. Any time a number of letters is written together and capitalized, Radio station WBBM, for example, the letters are read individually.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 08:06 am, Brian Vogel wrote:


In playing with a couple of things this morning it hit me that when NVDA sees either NVDA in all caps or nvda in lower case, using the synthesizer I'm using (SAPI-5) it always pronounces it as "en vda" (I don't even know how to write out something I think would be pronounced correctly) rather than N V D A.

The probability of NVDA ever occuring, whether upper case, lower case, or mixed case as a stand alone word that is something other than the N V D A acronym is so vanishingly close to zero that I'd think building in recognition of itself, and saying N V D A like it does when starting up and shutting down, would be a nice touch.
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Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Brian's Mail list account
 

Looking at this from outside, there seems to be some kind of internal issue now that code factory are also handling the same voices. I think a bit of reality might be wise from the vendors even if its bad news.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotecnia


What exactly is delaying the release of the update? There are
additional voices and higher qualiy speech to be gained from this
update. I don't use the product, but am curious as to the reason for
the delay

On 4/14/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia


Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the

meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update

will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new
update?

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?










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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


Are you using a desk top computer or a lap top? Depending how it is set
is what command you will need to use in it to do say all. this will read
from what is in the position where the carrot is down the page.


5.3. Navigating with the System Caret
When an object that allows navigation and/or editing of text is focused,
you can move through the text using the system caret, also known as the
edit cursor.
When the focus is on an object that has the system caret, you can use
the arrow keys, page up, page down, home, end, etc. to move through the
text. You can also change the text if the control supports editing. NVDA
will announce as you move by character, word and line, and will also
announce as you select and unselect text.
NVDA provides the following key commands in relation to the system caret:
Name
Desktop key
Laptop key
Description
Say all
NVDA+downArrow
NVDA+a
Starts reading from the current position of the system caret, moving it
along as it goes


To slow down or speed up your voice in NVDA you can go to the voice
settings in NVDA.

us e the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter V


when the voice settings dialogue comes up use the tab key until you hear
nvda say rate. You can use the left arrow key to make the voice go
slower or the right arrow key to make it go faster. Then after set go to
the ok button down the bottom


The idea with the say all command is that it will read what is on the page.


but if you are more of a mouse user and move the mouse nvda say all
command will stop.


You can configure what is read under the mouse you will need to go into
the mouse settings in nvda.


use the NVDA key + CTRL key + the letter M


When this dialogue comes up you can check under the following areas.


Under the Text unit resolution: paragraph section there is a combo box.

There you can get it to do it by character, word sentence or paragraph
if i remember right. change it to what you want.


Web pages are alot more tricker so maybe learning the single letter
navigation keys might help there or dropping down what it reas on the web.


But say in word it will be alot better depending how you have it set.


As soon as you touch the keyboard it will change the focus from the
mouse to what is been spoken. for example press the alt key then the
focus say in word will then go to the file menu.


By the way where i refer to the nvda key this is a modifier key which
can either be the insert key the extended insert key or the caps lock
key. You would use one of these say to turn off nvda. for example the
insert key + letter Q


There is a focus high lighter add on you can get which will show what is
been read on the page but will have to be install from the add on web site.


I will have to read the other messages and see if i covered them.


gene nz

On 15/04/2017 9:20 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Hello group, I've returned.

I ended up trying out NVDA and came back here for some advice and help.

I have a few questions about it:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it?

2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

4. I am choosing the "continue running" option, instead of installing.
Will this effect my ability to tweek the program?

Thank you, I know its a lot of questions :)



Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

This must depend on the synth you're using.  I use the ivan voice, and mine always says n v d a.


On 4/14/2017 11:06 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

In playing with a couple of things this morning it hit me that when NVDA sees either NVDA in all caps or nvda in lower case, using the synthesizer I'm using (SAPI-5) it always pronounces it as "en vda"  (I don't even know how to write out something I think would be pronounced correctly) rather than N V D A.

The probability of NVDA ever occuring, whether upper case, lower case, or mixed case as a stand alone word that is something other than the N V D A acronym is so vanishingly close to zero that I'd think building in recognition of itself, and saying N V D A like it does when starting up and shutting down, would be a nice touch.
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Re: vocalizer tiflotechnia

Devin Prater
 

Hmm. How much does the Vocalizer from Code Factory cost?
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"Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@...> writes:

There are crashes with certain text strings. There are pronunciation issues. There are a lack of new voices that have been released
on other platforms. I could go on, but why bother? Fact is, this community heard about an update that was purportedly coming over a
year ago, and we still have yet to see anything about this update... the representative from this company keeps telling us that it is
coming, but I think that those of us who use it have reached our patience limit with this speech engine. There are alternatives which
users can use and still get access to Vocalizer, and I highly recommend them.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:17 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the meantime, are you experiencing a particular
problem that you hope an update will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new update?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?

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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene
 

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene
 

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Email Client

Peter Chin
 

Thanks. Will try it as soon as I have some free time to explore.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
Here is a possible solution that doesn't involve trying an uninstallation and reinstallation.  Here is a suggestion from an Internet discussion form.
To enable spell checking in Windows Live Mail:
 
•Go to the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Spelling tab
•Within the Language section click your language to select it
•Click Apply
•Click OK

This was written before the ribbon version came out but you will probably find this item but I'm not sure where.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
I don't know why.  All I can suggest is uninstalling and reinstalling the program.  That might help but I don't know how likely that is.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Chin
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
Hello Gene,
 
Thanks for your suggestion. My last message was written in haste and I neglected to point out that I had already tried F7 without effect. When I go to the spellcheck via the ribbon, it tells me that it is disabled and I can find no way of enabling it.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
If you mean to run the spellchecker, the short cut command is f7.  That is a very common command to run the spell checker in programs that have them.
 
Gene
------- Original Message -----
From: Peter Chin
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well. However, I have not found a way to  enable the spellcheck facility. Suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses.

Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers.  One can teach basic use and ignore all the bells and whistles not needed.  That being said, the less sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit.  That is the trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird.

I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows Live Mail.   It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client.  If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in 7-Zip format here.  I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support.

I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client, that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an accessibility standpoint.  The interface seems to be simpler than Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical.   If you do evaluate this client for accessibility please report back.
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Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill