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Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

 

It's not a screen reader command. It's a command for a shortcut in google hangouts. I think it is to mute or un-mute the microphone.




On 3/28/2016 6:14 PM, Gene wrote:
Control d is not a screen-reader command.  it opens a save book mark dialog and it works in Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome.  It would make no sense to have a screen-reader have such a command, that has nothing to do with its purpose.  I don't know who is responsible for google hangouts development but I would suggest getting in touch with whomever it is and telling them that they need to look at and reassign one or more of their shortcut keys. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda

There seems to be an issue when attempting to use some of these shortcuts. I turn on focus mode, and try to use ctrl + d, for example. I get the favorites dialog. This is when using IE 11. If I remember correctly, it even happens when I'm not using the pass through to applicaiton command, NVDA + f2. Any help is appreciated, and welcome.





On 3/28/2016 10:31 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Step 3: ctrl with period for next conversation or ctrl with comma for prev convo.
Note: question mark will bring up list of keyboard shortcuts.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:27 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
That was a valuable suggestion, thank you!
I'm trying to find an optimized workflow. Currently I have the following sequences figured out:
1. Upon starting Hangouts, enter focus mode then hc to go to conversations. Select one with arrow keys then hit enter to activate it.
2. To read history, tab or shift+tab several times then use arrows to read. Afterwards, tab or shift+tab several times again to go back to text entry.
3. To go to another conversation, esc to close chat, shift+tab to set focus to a meaningful element, hc to go to conversations, then procede as in step 1.
Still seems clunky to me but at least workable. I wouldn't call it productive though. If anyone has an idea how to streamline these user stories, please let me know.
Kind regards, and thanks again,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 20:53 Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
If using focus mode:
1. Shift+Tab to chat history
2. Up/Down Arrow to navigate messages
3. Conversation traversal is very user-friendly this way...

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:05 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list!
Regarding Hangouts, has anyone found a way to get rid of the random announcement of lots and lots of timestamps?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 11:32 Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
It is focus mode.
 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.

 

 

 


On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:
 
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.








Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

David Moore
 

Hi,
I always want to learn. What can I do on HangOuts that is different than FaceBook? How does Google HangOuts compare to Skype. I am very active on Skype, FaceBook, and Twitter. I was just wondering what I would gain by learning HangOuts. Thanks a lot, and have a great one.
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 
Control d is not a screen-reader command.  it opens a save book mark dialog and it works in Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome.  It would make no sense to have a screen-reader have such a command, that has nothing to do with its purpose.  I don't know who is responsible for google hangouts development but I would suggest getting in touch with whomever it is and telling them that they need to look at and reassign one or more of their shortcut keys. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 

There seems to be an issue when attempting to use some of these shortcuts. I turn on focus mode, and try to use ctrl + d, for example. I get the favorites dialog. This is when using IE 11. If I remember correctly, it even happens when I'm not using the pass through to applicaiton command, NVDA + f2. Any help is appreciated, and welcome.

 

 

 


On 3/28/2016 10:31 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Step 3: ctrl with period for next conversation or ctrl with comma for prev convo.
Note: question mark will bring up list of keyboard shortcuts.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:27 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
That was a valuable suggestion, thank you!
I'm trying to find an optimized workflow. Currently I have the following sequences figured out:
1. Upon starting Hangouts, enter focus mode then hc to go to conversations. Select one with arrow keys then hit enter to activate it.
2. To read history, tab or shift+tab several times then use arrows to read. Afterwards, tab or shift+tab several times again to go back to text entry.
3. To go to another conversation, esc to close chat, shift+tab to set focus to a meaningful element, hc to go to conversations, then procede as in step 1.
Still seems clunky to me but at least workable. I wouldn't call it productive though. If anyone has an idea how to streamline these user stories, please let me know.
Kind regards, and thanks again,
Felix Grützmacher
 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 20:53 Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
If using focus mode:
1. Shift+Tab to chat history
2. Up/Down Arrow to navigate messages
3. Conversation traversal is very user-friendly this way...
 
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:05 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list!
Regarding Hangouts, has anyone found a way to get rid of the random announcement of lots and lots of timestamps?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher
 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 11:32 Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
It is focus mode.
 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.

 

 

 


On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:
 
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.







Re: using NVDA with the facebook website?

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

By the way, you could use the information in my first post and complete your tutorial.
Hope it can help you.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2016, at 11:56 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi,
I want you all to know that I use NVDA with the URL:
You do not type the www. It is a much less cluttered site, and you can find your friends, post, send messages, chat, and much more. I am on Facebook every day, and it works great. I never use the regular site, because there is way too much on the page, and it is very slow. My sighted wife gets frustrated on the regular site. The URL I gave is called the mobile site. There are links to enter on for everything. It is just like navigating a regular web site with forms. I will try this other web site. I have never heard of that one. Take care, and let me know if you would like any help or suggestions on how to do a certain task on FB. Have a great one.
 
 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using NVDA with the facebook website?
 
Hi Afrim

Would I be able to have a copy of your tutorial on face book? It can be sent to my email off this list  if you would like to.
It can be found in the header of the email or you could send it to my other account  on my website.  The email address is hurrikennyandopo@...
I do have a partly written up tutorial on using the basics of face book, but has not been finished yet.

If you are happy for me to use some of your material I would like to combine the 2 of them then host it off my webstie at http://www.accessibilitycentral.netit would go under the nvda tutorials for other programs page in a written format.

I have been considering a audio tutorial on the basics of face book, but have not got there yet as I don't use it enough.

Gene nz
.

On 28-Mar-16 10:09 PM, Afrim wrote:

 

Hello Dan,

 

Accessing facebook through NVDA may sound a little difficult in the beginning. It is so because you will deal with a lot of information in the page which may really confuse you. However, it does not have to be so difficult if you are a little careful. I’ve been a user of Facebook for a very long time now. I mostly have used it through its main website, but if you are not patient, and if you want a less crowded page, you can use either www.touch.facebook.com/, or www.m.facebook.com/.

 

In my experience, I found touch facebook a little better because it resembles the main website of facebook. It is indeed very crowded area, but I believe you will get used to it through some hints.

 

Use the quick navigation keys you use to navigate on internet like headings, links, buttons and edit boxes.

 

When you log in to facebook for the first time, you come across things like messages, requests, notifications and so on. To put this into practice, you press ctrl+home to go to the beginning of the page, and start navigating by using the down arrow key to see what you have in the page. The first link is “Skip to news feed”, then you bump into home and your profile. Note that these also have shortcuts, but I mostly do not use them. Then you find an edit box to search for people, pages, groups or places. After that, you have three buttons which stand for requests, messages and notifications. Now we come to what I suggested you to do in the beginning. “Use those quick navigation keys”. To make this more concrete, let’s suppose you log in to facebook, and you want to check your messages or notifications. Use “B” to move through buttons and you will jump to these buttons I described right away. First you find requests, then messages, notifications, and if you continue, you run into privacy shortcuts and account settings. To access the account settings, which is very important, you have to press insert+space to read these settings. When you find one which you need, press enter. The same procedure goes for requests, notifications, or messages. The difference is that on messages or notifications, you need to press tab to access the items.

 

We are not yet done. We are finished just with a section of facebook. Now we come to another part, which is reading news feed and other sections which are related to them. So again, let’s come back to the beginning of the page by pressing ctrl+home. Press “H” to move through the headings, because the news feed and the sections which come before are arranged so. You will bump into friends, pages, groups, favourites, people you may know and then news feed. Continue to browse by H, and you will be presented with what people share. An example could be, John Smith shared a link. Now press down arrow to access the information next to that heading. After you read what the post is about, you will have the options to like, comment or share. The post which may either be found by down arrow, or by using B, to move through buttons. Note! There will be an edit box next to each heading where there is a post, and that is for writing a comment or uploading a photo along with the comment. Sometimes, there are a lot of posts that come in front of you, and NVDA and many other screen readers become really slow. Something I forgot to mention is that apart from a heading which shows a post, there is also the next heading that displays the comments related to it.

 

Remember, we are not yet done. Now we jump to the next section which is chatting or sending and receiving messages. The chat is found in the end of the page. This being said, Press ctrl+End and you will go to the end of the page, where there is the chat. Press up arrow and you will find a search button to look for people whom you want to message. Press again up arrow and you may find options if I’m not wrong. Once again, press up arrow and you will hear “Chat conversation end”. Now, if you still continue pressing up arrow, you will run into people who are currently online. They may be 15, 20 or more. To make things easier, read the names of these people by links, and if you like to send a message to someone, press enter on his/her name. NVDA should move the cursor automatically to the edit box to type the message, but if it doesn’t, press this important keyboard shortcut “ctrl+end” to move to the end of the page, and press shift+E to find the edit box where you should type the message. Additionally,  you have an edit box to upload and send a photo. These edit boxes come with a name, so when you hear “type a message…”, stop there. When you are finished writing the message, press enter to send it. To read the sender’s message, press up arrow from that edit box and you will be able to read everything in the chat history. The same procedure should be followed even when somebody sends you a message, or when you activate a conversation from within the messages section in the beginning of the page that I described above.

 

If you were attentive listening to what I said, you will be able to progress very quickly and learn how to use facebook through its main website.

 

I hope this helped you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Afrim

I have written a short document on how to use facebook through its main website, but I'm not sure why isn't it sent correctly




-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Gene
 

Control d is not a screen-reader command.  it opens a save book mark dialog and it works in Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome.  It would make no sense to have a screen-reader have such a command, that has nothing to do with its purpose.  I don't know who is responsible for google hangouts development but I would suggest getting in touch with whomever it is and telling them that they need to look at and reassign one or more of their shortcut keys. 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda

There seems to be an issue when attempting to use some of these shortcuts. I turn on focus mode, and try to use ctrl + d, for example. I get the favorites dialog. This is when using IE 11. If I remember correctly, it even happens when I'm not using the pass through to applicaiton command, NVDA + f2. Any help is appreciated, and welcome.





On 3/28/2016 10:31 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Step 3: ctrl with period for next conversation or ctrl with comma for prev convo.
Note: question mark will bring up list of keyboard shortcuts.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:27 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
That was a valuable suggestion, thank you!
I'm trying to find an optimized workflow. Currently I have the following sequences figured out:
1. Upon starting Hangouts, enter focus mode then hc to go to conversations. Select one with arrow keys then hit enter to activate it.
2. To read history, tab or shift+tab several times then use arrows to read. Afterwards, tab or shift+tab several times again to go back to text entry.
3. To go to another conversation, esc to close chat, shift+tab to set focus to a meaningful element, hc to go to conversations, then procede as in step 1.
Still seems clunky to me but at least workable. I wouldn't call it productive though. If anyone has an idea how to streamline these user stories, please let me know.
Kind regards, and thanks again,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 20:53 Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
If using focus mode:
1. Shift+Tab to chat history
2. Up/Down Arrow to navigate messages
3. Conversation traversal is very user-friendly this way...

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:05 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list!
Regarding Hangouts, has anyone found a way to get rid of the random announcement of lots and lots of timestamps?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 11:32 Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
It is focus mode.
 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.

 

 

 


On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:
 
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.







Re: using NVDA with the facebook website?

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

Hi Gene,
I wholeheartedly apologise, because this was mainly the tutorial I was going to send, but I don't know why I couldn't paste the text from microsoft word where I typed it. Now I can see that you can fully access it. It's a piece of good information. I am talking about my post related to Dan.
Cheers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Afrim

Would I be able to have a copy of your tutorial on face book? It can be sent to my email off this list  if you would like to.
It can be found in the header of the email or you could send it to my other account  on my website.  The email address is hurrikennyandopo@...
I do have a partly written up tutorial on using the basics of face book, but has not been finished yet.

If you are happy for me to use some of your material I would like to combine the 2 of them then host it off my webstie at http://www.accessibilitycentral.netit would go under the nvda tutorials for other programs page in a written format.

I have been considering a audio tutorial on the basics of face book, but have not got there yet as I don't use it enough.

Gene nz
.

On 28-Mar-16 10:09 PM, Afrim wrote:


Hello Dan,


Accessing facebook through NVDA may sound a little difficult in the beginning. It is so because you will deal with a lot of information in the page which may really confuse you. However, it does not have to be so difficult if you are a little careful. I’ve been a user of Facebook for a very long time now. I mostly have used it through its main website, but if you are not patient, and if you want a less crowded page, you can use either www.touch.facebook.com/, or www.m.facebook.com/.


In my experience, I found touch facebook a little better because it resembles the main website of facebook. It is indeed very crowded area, but I believe you will get used to it through some hints.


Use the quick navigation keys you use to navigate on internet like headings, links, buttons and edit boxes.


When you log in to facebook for the first time, you come across things like messages, requests, notifications and so on. To put this into practice, you press ctrl+home to go to the beginning of the page, and start navigating by using the down arrow key to see what you have in the page. The first link is “Skip to news feed”, then you bump into home and your profile. Note that these also have shortcuts, but I mostly do not use them. Then you find an edit box to search for people, pages, groups or places. After that, you have three buttons which stand for requests, messages and notifications. Now we come to what I suggested you to do in the beginning. “Use those quick navigation keys”. To make this more concrete, let’s suppose you log in to facebook, and you want to check your messages or notifications. Use “B” to move through buttons and you will jump to these buttons I described right away. First you find requests, then messages, notifications, and if you continue, you run into privacy shortcuts and account settings. To access the account settings, which is very important, you have to press insert+space to read these settings. When you find one which you need, press enter. The same procedure goes for requests, notifications, or messages. The difference is that on messages or notifications, you need to press tab to access the items.


We are not yet done. We are finished just with a section of facebook. Now we come to another part, which is reading news feed and other sections which are related to them. So again, let’s come back to the beginning of the page by pressing ctrl+home. Press “H” to move through the headings, because the news feed and the sections which come before are arranged so. You will bump into friends, pages, groups, favourites, people you may know and then news feed. Continue to browse by H, and you will be presented with what people share. An example could be, John Smith shared a link. Now press down arrow to access the information next to that heading. After you read what the post is about, you will have the options to like, comment or share. The post which may either be found by down arrow, or by using B, to move through buttons. Note! There will be an edit box next to each heading where there is a post, and that is for writing a comment or uploading a photo along with the comment. Sometimes, there are a lot of posts that come in front of you, and NVDA and many other screen readers become really slow. Something I forgot to mention is that apart from a heading which shows a post, there is also the next heading that displays the comments related to it.


Remember, we are not yet done. Now we jump to the next section which is chatting or sending and receiving messages. The chat is found in the end of the page. This being said, Press ctrl+End and you will go to the end of the page, where there is the chat. Press up arrow and you will find a search button to look for people whom you want to message. Press again up arrow and you may find options if I’m not wrong. Once again, press up arrow and you will hear “Chat conversation end”. Now, if you still continue pressing up arrow, you will run into people who are currently online. They may be 15, 20 or more. To make things easier, read the names of these people by links, and if you like to send a message to someone, press enter on his/her name. NVDA should move the cursor automatically to the edit box to type the message, but if it doesn’t, press this important keyboard shortcut “ctrl+end” to move to the end of the page, and press shift+E to find the edit box where you should type the message. Additionally,  you have an edit box to upload and send a photo. These edit boxes come with a name, so when you hear “type a message…”, stop there. When you are finished writing the message, press enter to send it. To read the sender’s message, press up arrow from that edit box and you will be able to read everything in the chat history. The same procedure should be followed even when somebody sends you a message, or when you activate a conversation from within the messages section in the beginning of the page that I described above.


If you were attentive listening to what I said, you will be able to progress very quickly and learn how to use facebook through its main website.


I hope this helped you.


Sincerely,


Afrim

I have written a short document on how to use facebook through its main website, but I'm not sure why isn't it sent correctly




-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Question

 

I get the same sort of message. I thought it was FireFox doing it, but
it could be iTunes instead. I usually only get that message, as best
as I remember, when I have both programs running so who knows!

On 3/28/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
NVDA isn't doing anything. Something else is checking for new software.
Such messages should never come from NVDA.
Perhaps you run some sort of program that looks at your computer and updates
programs and drivers. If the program doesn't identify itself and you have
no idea what it is, perhaps you should look through add/remove programs and
see if you see anything that might be that kind of program.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 3:12 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question


Hi,
Acasionally, I get a dialogue that pops up that says checking for new
software. Is NVDA just checking for software, or is it installing fixes?
Thanks
Chris



Re: Question

Gene
 

NVDA isn't doing anything.  Something else is checking for new software.  Such messages should never come from NVDA. 
Perhaps you run some sort of program that looks at your computer and updates programs and drivers.  If the program doesn't identify itself and you have no idea what it is, perhaps you should look through add/remove programs and see if you see anything that might be that kind of program. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 3:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question

Hi,
Acasionally, I get a dialogue that pops up that says checking for new
software. Is NVDA just checking for software, or is it installing fixes?
Thanks
Chris



Re: using NVDA with the facebook website?

David Moore
 

Hi,
I want you all to know that I use NVDA with the URL:
m.facebook.com
You do not type the www. It is a much less cluttered site, and you can find your friends, post, send messages, chat, and much more. I am on Facebook every day, and it works great. I never use the regular site, because there is way too much on the page, and it is very slow. My sighted wife gets frustrated on the regular site. The URL I gave is called the mobile site. There are links to enter on for everything. It is just like navigating a regular web site with forms. I will try this other web site. I have never heard of that one. Take care, and let me know if you would like any help or suggestions on how to do a certain task on FB. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using NVDA with the facebook website?
 
Hi Afrim

Would I be able to have a copy of your tutorial on face book? It can be sent to my email off this list  if you would like to.
It can be found in the header of the email or you could send it to my other account  on my website.  The email address is hurrikennyandopo@...
I do have a partly written up tutorial on using the basics of face book, but has not been finished yet.

If you are happy for me to use some of your material I would like to combine the 2 of them then host it off my webstie at http://www.accessibilitycentral.netit would go under the nvda tutorials for other programs page in a written format.

I have been considering a audio tutorial on the basics of face book, but have not got there yet as I don't use it enough.

Gene nz
.

On 28-Mar-16 10:09 PM, Afrim wrote:

 

Hello Dan,

 

Accessing facebook through NVDA may sound a little difficult in the beginning. It is so because you will deal with a lot of information in the page which may really confuse you. However, it does not have to be so difficult if you are a little careful. I’ve been a user of Facebook for a very long time now. I mostly have used it through its main website, but if you are not patient, and if you want a less crowded page, you can use either www.touch.facebook.com/, or www.m.facebook.com/.

 

In my experience, I found touch facebook a little better because it resembles the main website of facebook. It is indeed very crowded area, but I believe you will get used to it through some hints.

 

Use the quick navigation keys you use to navigate on internet like headings, links, buttons and edit boxes.

 

When you log in to facebook for the first time, you come across things like messages, requests, notifications and so on. To put this into practice, you press ctrl+home to go to the beginning of the page, and start navigating by using the down arrow key to see what you have in the page. The first link is “Skip to news feed”, then you bump into home and your profile. Note that these also have shortcuts, but I mostly do not use them. Then you find an edit box to search for people, pages, groups or places. After that, you have three buttons which stand for requests, messages and notifications. Now we come to what I suggested you to do in the beginning. “Use those quick navigation keys”. To make this more concrete, let’s suppose you log in to facebook, and you want to check your messages or notifications. Use “B” to move through buttons and you will jump to these buttons I described right away. First you find requests, then messages, notifications, and if you continue, you run into privacy shortcuts and account settings. To access the account settings, which is very important, you have to press insert+space to read these settings. When you find one which you need, press enter. The same procedure goes for requests, notifications, or messages. The difference is that on messages or notifications, you need to press tab to access the items.

 

We are not yet done. We are finished just with a section of facebook. Now we come to another part, which is reading news feed and other sections which are related to them. So again, let’s come back to the beginning of the page by pressing ctrl+home. Press “H” to move through the headings, because the news feed and the sections which come before are arranged so. You will bump into friends, pages, groups, favourites, people you may know and then news feed. Continue to browse by H, and you will be presented with what people share. An example could be, John Smith shared a link. Now press down arrow to access the information next to that heading. After you read what the post is about, you will have the options to like, comment or share. The post which may either be found by down arrow, or by using B, to move through buttons. Note! There will be an edit box next to each heading where there is a post, and that is for writing a comment or uploading a photo along with the comment. Sometimes, there are a lot of posts that come in front of you, and NVDA and many other screen readers become really slow. Something I forgot to mention is that apart from a heading which shows a post, there is also the next heading that displays the comments related to it.

 

Remember, we are not yet done. Now we jump to the next section which is chatting or sending and receiving messages. The chat is found in the end of the page. This being said, Press ctrl+End and you will go to the end of the page, where there is the chat. Press up arrow and you will find a search button to look for people whom you want to message. Press again up arrow and you may find options if I’m not wrong. Once again, press up arrow and you will hear “Chat conversation end”. Now, if you still continue pressing up arrow, you will run into people who are currently online. They may be 15, 20 or more. To make things easier, read the names of these people by links, and if you like to send a message to someone, press enter on his/her name. NVDA should move the cursor automatically to the edit box to type the message, but if it doesn’t, press this important keyboard shortcut “ctrl+end” to move to the end of the page, and press shift+E to find the edit box where you should type the message. Additionally,  you have an edit box to upload and send a photo. These edit boxes come with a name, so when you hear “type a message…”, stop there. When you are finished writing the message, press enter to send it. To read the sender’s message, press up arrow from that edit box and you will be able to read everything in the chat history. The same procedure should be followed even when somebody sends you a message, or when you activate a conversation from within the messages section in the beginning of the page that I described above.

 

If you were attentive listening to what I said, you will be able to progress very quickly and learn how to use facebook through its main website.

 

I hope this helped you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Afrim

I have written a short document on how to use facebook through its main website, but I'm not sure why isn't it sent correctly


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Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

 

There seems to be an issue when attempting to use some of these shortcuts. I turn on focus mode, and try to use ctrl + d, for example. I get the favorites dialog. This is when using IE 11. If I remember correctly, it even happens when I'm not using the pass through to applicaiton command, NVDA + f2. Any help is appreciated, and welcome.





On 3/28/2016 10:31 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Step 3: ctrl with period for next conversation or ctrl with comma for prev convo.
Note: question mark will bring up list of keyboard shortcuts.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:27 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
That was a valuable suggestion, thank you!
I'm trying to find an optimized workflow. Currently I have the following sequences figured out:
1. Upon starting Hangouts, enter focus mode then hc to go to conversations. Select one with arrow keys then hit enter to activate it.
2. To read history, tab or shift+tab several times then use arrows to read. Afterwards, tab or shift+tab several times again to go back to text entry.
3. To go to another conversation, esc to close chat, shift+tab to set focus to a meaningful element, hc to go to conversations, then procede as in step 1.
Still seems clunky to me but at least workable. I wouldn't call it productive though. If anyone has an idea how to streamline these user stories, please let me know.
Kind regards, and thanks again,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 20:53 Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
If using focus mode:
1. Shift+Tab to chat history
2. Up/Down Arrow to navigate messages
3. Conversation traversal is very user-friendly this way...

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:05 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list!
Regarding Hangouts, has anyone found a way to get rid of the random announcement of lots and lots of timestamps?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 11:32 Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
It is focus mode.
 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.

 

 

 


On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:
 
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.







Re: using NVDA with the facebook website?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Afrim

Would I be able to have a copy of your tutorial on face book? It can be sent to my email off this list  if you would like to.
It can be found in the header of the email or you could send it to my other account  on my website.  The email address is hurrikennyandopo@...
I do have a partly written up tutorial on using the basics of face book, but has not been finished yet.

If you are happy for me to use some of your material I would like to combine the 2 of them then host it off my webstie at http://www.accessibilitycentral.netit would go under the nvda tutorials for other programs page in a written format.

I have been considering a audio tutorial on the basics of face book, but have not got there yet as I don't use it enough.

Gene nz
.

On 28-Mar-16 10:09 PM, Afrim wrote:


Hello Dan,


Accessing facebook through NVDA may sound a little difficult in the beginning. It is so because you will deal with a lot of information in the page which may really confuse you. However, it does not have to be so difficult if you are a little careful. I’ve been a user of Facebook for a very long time now. I mostly have used it through its main website, but if you are not patient, and if you want a less crowded page, you can use either www.touch.facebook.com/, or www.m.facebook.com/.


In my experience, I found touch facebook a little better because it resembles the main website of facebook. It is indeed very crowded area, but I believe you will get used to it through some hints.


Use the quick navigation keys you use to navigate on internet like headings, links, buttons and edit boxes.


When you log in to facebook for the first time, you come across things like messages, requests, notifications and so on. To put this into practice, you press ctrl+home to go to the beginning of the page, and start navigating by using the down arrow key to see what you have in the page. The first link is “Skip to news feed”, then you bump into home and your profile. Note that these also have shortcuts, but I mostly do not use them. Then you find an edit box to search for people, pages, groups or places. After that, you have three buttons which stand for requests, messages and notifications. Now we come to what I suggested you to do in the beginning. “Use those quick navigation keys”. To make this more concrete, let’s suppose you log in to facebook, and you want to check your messages or notifications. Use “B” to move through buttons and you will jump to these buttons I described right away. First you find requests, then messages, notifications, and if you continue, you run into privacy shortcuts and account settings. To access the account settings, which is very important, you have to press insert+space to read these settings. When you find one which you need, press enter. The same procedure goes for requests, notifications, or messages. The difference is that on messages or notifications, you need to press tab to access the items.


We are not yet done. We are finished just with a section of facebook. Now we come to another part, which is reading news feed and other sections which are related to them. So again, let’s come back to the beginning of the page by pressing ctrl+home. Press “H” to move through the headings, because the news feed and the sections which come before are arranged so. You will bump into friends, pages, groups, favourites, people you may know and then news feed. Continue to browse by H, and you will be presented with what people share. An example could be, John Smith shared a link. Now press down arrow to access the information next to that heading. After you read what the post is about, you will have the options to like, comment or share. The post which may either be found by down arrow, or by using B, to move through buttons. Note! There will be an edit box next to each heading where there is a post, and that is for writing a comment or uploading a photo along with the comment. Sometimes, there are a lot of posts that come in front of you, and NVDA and many other screen readers become really slow. Something I forgot to mention is that apart from a heading which shows a post, there is also the next heading that displays the comments related to it.


Remember, we are not yet done. Now we jump to the next section which is chatting or sending and receiving messages. The chat is found in the end of the page. This being said, Press ctrl+End and you will go to the end of the page, where there is the chat. Press up arrow and you will find a search button to look for people whom you want to message. Press again up arrow and you may find options if I’m not wrong. Once again, press up arrow and you will hear “Chat conversation end”. Now, if you still continue pressing up arrow, you will run into people who are currently online. They may be 15, 20 or more. To make things easier, read the names of these people by links, and if you like to send a message to someone, press enter on his/her name. NVDA should move the cursor automatically to the edit box to type the message, but if it doesn’t, press this important keyboard shortcut “ctrl+end” to move to the end of the page, and press shift+E to find the edit box where you should type the message. Additionally,  you have an edit box to upload and send a photo. These edit boxes come with a name, so when you hear “type a message…”, stop there. When you are finished writing the message, press enter to send it. To read the sender’s message, press up arrow from that edit box and you will be able to read everything in the chat history. The same procedure should be followed even when somebody sends you a message, or when you activate a conversation from within the messages section in the beginning of the page that I described above.


If you were attentive listening to what I said, you will be able to progress very quickly and learn how to use facebook through its main website.


I hope this helped you.


Sincerely,


Afrim

I have written a short document on how to use facebook through its main website, but I'm not sure why isn't it sent correctly


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Re: Question

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Chris,

If it's truly NVDA that's doing it, then my guess is that it is actually looking for updates to install. If you have the snapshot version, then it will do this more often.

Ben

On Mar 28, 2016, at 13:12, Chris Shook <chris0309@samobile.net> wrote:

Hi,
Acasionally, I get a dialogue that pops up that says checking for new software. Is NVDA just checking for software, or is it installing fixes?
Thanks
Chris



Re: Question

Laughing Thunder
 

That sounds like the Apple Software Update tool to me. If you have iTunes installed on your computer, the Apple Software Update tool launches periodically to check for iTunes updates. It does not display a window on screen unless there are updates to install, but NVDA is still detecting it.

On 3/28/2016 3:12 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Acasionally, I get a dialogue that pops up that says checking for new
software. Is NVDA just checking for software, or is it installing fixes?
Thanks
Chris


Question

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Acasionally, I get a dialogue that pops up that says checking for new software. Is NVDA just checking for software, or is it installing fixes?
Thanks
Chris


Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Guys, it was just a suggestion, no need to make it look like I was stupid for asking. LOL! I get the point. Enough said.
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Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


I agree,common sense prevails.

On 28/03/2016 09:16, derek riemer wrote:
As a code contributer, I would never implement this feature because new
users would have trouble understanding why this exists, and might think
to them selves Oh. I want the latest and greatest, not understanding the
risks behind running snapshot code. Also, once you get the snapshot
build (which takes a few minutes max if you know about NVDA's community
website) you will have updates on master/next forever (until you
manually downgrade). This is an over complication of a minimalist
interface, and complexity is the root of all evil.

On 3/26/2016 6:54 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that you
want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw word of
mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some years ago
and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad idea I agree
with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case, 2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

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Derek Riemer

* Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
* Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
* Open source enthusiast.
* Member of Bridge Cu
* Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio <http://derekriemer.com>
Awesome little hand built weather app!
<http://django.derekriemer.com/weather/>

email me at derek.riemer@colorado.edu <mailto:derek.riemer@colorado.edu>
Phone: (303) 906-2194


Re: IRC stuff

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

It wouldn't honestly surprise me, Hank.  NO further comments.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

I thought klango died?

On 3/28/2016 11:27 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, What is Klango? What did you use it for?

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: March-28-16 10:26 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

Most programs that work in Windows 7 work in Windows 10.  I don't know how many people use Klango these days.  I haven't seen it discussed in perhaps three years.  I just looked at the home page.  You can either try it and see or see if there is a contact or support link on the page. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Does someone if Klango works with windows 10?
>
>
>




Re: IRC stuff

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

It was kind of like SA Mobile network, or maybe The Zone BBS, only with way way way way way way way way way w'w'w'w'wayyyyyyy! less drama.
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Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

Hi, What is Klango? What did you use it for?

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: March-28-16 10:26 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

 

Most programs that work in Windows 7 work in Windows 10.  I don't know how many people use Klango these days.  I haven't seen it discussed in perhaps three years.  I just looked at the home page.  You can either try it and see or see if there is a contact or support link on the page. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Does someone if Klango works with windows 10?
>
>
>



Re: IRC stuff

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I don't see why Klango wouldn't, and even if it didn't natively, you probably could run it in compatibility mode.
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Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@icloud.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff


Laura,

I haven't use that service in eons. I would not know. I would have to look.

Ben

On Mar 28, 2016, at 09:21, laura cornwell <lauracornwell1@gmail.com> wrote:

Does someone if Klango works with windows 10?



Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Kevin Cussick
 

I agree,common sense prevails.

On 28/03/2016 09:16, derek riemer wrote:
As a code contributer, I would never implement this feature because new
users would have trouble understanding why this exists, and might think
to them selves Oh. I want the latest and greatest, not understanding the
risks behind running snapshot code. Also, once you get the snapshot
build (which takes a few minutes max if you know about NVDA's community
website) you will have updates on master/next forever (until you
manually downgrade). This is an over complication of a minimalist
interface, and complexity is the root of all evil.

On 3/26/2016 6:54 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that you
want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw word of
mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some years ago
and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad idea I agree
with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case, 2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@gmail.com <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Derek Riemer

* Department of computer science, third year undergraduate student.
* Proud user of the NVDA screen reader.
* Open source enthusiast.
* Member of Bridge Cu
* Avid skiier.

Websites:
Honors portfolio <http://derekriemer.com>
Awesome little hand built weather app!
<http://django.derekriemer.com/weather/>

email me at derek.riemer@colorado.edu <mailto:derek.riemer@colorado.edu>
Phone: (303) 906-2194


Re: IRC stuff

Shaun Oliver
 

Why bother when mIRC works perfectly fine with NVDA?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben J. Bloomgren [mailto:bbloomgren@icloud.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 03:45
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

Laura,

I haven't use that service in eons. I would not know. I would have to look.

Ben

On Mar 28, 2016, at 09:21, laura cornwell <lauracornwell1@gmail.com>
wrote:

Does someone if Klango works with windows 10?



Re: IRC stuff

Gene
 

It was closed but at some point, it reopened.  I hadn't heard anything about it until today but hecking, it is at
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

I thought klango died?

On 3/28/2016 11:27 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, What is Klango? What did you use it for?

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: March-28-16 10:26 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] IRC stuff

 

Most programs that work in Windows 7 work in Windows 10.  I don't know how many people use Klango these days.  I haven't seen it discussed in perhaps three years.  I just looked at the home page.  You can either try it and see or see if there is a contact or support link on the page. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Does someone if Klango works with windows 10?
>
>
>