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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Does anyone know if there is a way to download just a demo of the
voice package before buying it?



Re: my 2 sugestions and the microsoft accessability line

Pauline Smith
 

I do the same thing--hit Alt N then tab to Save when downloading. I hit NVDA key plus U as suggested by this list to get the percentages spoken. I will try again to download a book and report what happens.


Pauline

On 4/18/2017 10:00 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
When I download something in IE 11, I need to hit Alt N then Tab to Save, press Enter. If I don't do anything else, I hear the percentage.


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On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

You could hit insert B to give you the information. That's what I do when I'm downloading files with IE 11.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my 2 sugestions and the microsoft accessability line

Thats not true I do have my nvda to speak percentages but in ie 11 it does not speak the percentages try it and you will see that you do need an add on. I even did try having the background progress bars checked but no go so try before you post.

Brian Sackrider


On 4/18/2017 5:14 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you here. If you want to hear the percentage when something is downloading, just press insert U. The choices you'll get are beep, speak percentages or no speech. You don't really need something special like an add-on or narrator to announce percentages when downloading a file.

Rosemarie

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my 2 sugestions and the microsoft accessability line

lastweek I called the accessability line and gave them my sugestions for narator and since then I have in email contact with Sean about this. He would pass on my sugestions and he also said that would make narator stand out. I told him that if narator could read the percentages when downloading in internet explorer and have narator announce every update as it is being downloaded. I told him that nvda does not do theese things and I don't that it ever will. Theese are both microsoft issues with windows so this should be able to be done. This would make naratordo what other screen readers can't do.

Brian Sackrider











Re: NVDA not showing up in Ease Of Access Center

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Roger!


You may find it by typing keyword in the search field first about the Ease of Access in Control panel. Then, it will pop-up another dialog box for it. Then, tabbed through till you find the "Use the computer without a display", and at the end or bottom of the dialog box you will see the nvda check box. then press space bar to check it. and press Apply to take effect and press Okay button.


Robert Mendoza

On 4/20/2017 1:01 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I just had my laptop to a computer store for repair. The install of Win 10 had become corrupted and there was no way to roll back so they did a clean install of Win 10 Anniversary version for me. This will no doubt get updated to Creators soon. The problem I'm having is that NVDA no longer shows up in the Ease Of Access Center as it used to. I tried unchecking the auto start nvda at win log on and saving this and then going right back and check it and save again. I even restarted nvda a couple times. It still won't show up for me in Ease Of Access. Can anyone help?


Thanks.


Roger




Re: NVDA and LibreOffice annoyannces: dates

 

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:15 am, Walmir Schultz wrote:
I have a spreadsheet with gold prices that are composed of a column with mont/year and other wit the value.

Which I won't argue, nor will I argue with the utility of said column.  That column should be text, not date, as it is not interpretable as a date as computers define date. 
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Re: Read current line 3 times to copy its content to clipboard?

Gene
 

If military spelling is to be preserved, the command would have to be four times to copy to clip board.  At present, one time says the current line.  Twice spells it.  Three times spells it with military spelling.  I don't know if people use the military spelling option but three times to copy to clipboard would remove it.

Gene            

    On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 04:46 am, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

I've always wondered with nvda Why not PUT IN A COMMAND OF 3-TIMES
nvda+L (Laptop keyboard layout) that reads current line, 3-times so that
what NVDA just read gets copied onto the Clipboard? Just like the logic
behind NVDA+t 3-times to copy the title's content to the clipboard, the
same logic could be applied to NVDA+l 3-times, right? it's just so
natural of nvda+T 3-times that I've thought why not implement this into
copy current line? I'm always looking for ways to better NVDA, thus the
suggestion.

 


Re: Read current line 3 times to copy its content to clipboard?

 

Hi all,
The command has been taken in 2017.2.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Read current line 3 times to copy its content to clipboard?

Hi Gerardo,
In fact, I had filed a ticket a very long while ago on the tracker, but admittedly, I had been unable to provide any substantial usage case for the same. Moreover, another user even reported that pressing
NVDA+T thrice accidentally was sufficient an annoyance because due to
that inadvertent extra NVDA+T press, the clipboard contents got modified which can be an understandable irritation, thus voting against NVDA+L thrice copying the current line. I would be happy to look and provide you the ticket link if necessary, in case you wish to substantiate the feature requests with usage cases and other justification.
Thanks.

On 4/19/17, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com> wrote:
I've always wondered with nvda Why not PUT IN A COMMAND OF 3-TIMES
nvda+L (Laptop keyboard layout) that reads current line, 3-times so
nvda+that
what NVDA just read gets copied onto the Clipboard? Just like the
logic behind NVDA+t 3-times to copy the title's content to the
clipboard, the same logic could be applied to NVDA+l 3-times, right?
it's just so natural of nvda+T 3-times that I've thought why not
implement this into copy current line? I'm always looking for ways to
better NVDA, thus the suggestion.





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Re: NVDA and LibreOffice annoyannces: dates

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

I have a spreadsheet with gold prices that are composed of a column with mont/year and other wit the value.

Using, for example, "Jan/99" is better than other formats. Why? Because on saturdays and mondays there is no information. So, the true day is not important, but this formatting "says" that it is the last working day of that month.
I was not responsible for this formatting, but was very happy because it facilitate the input.

Em 19/04/2017 14:43, Brian Vogel escreveu:

I'm sorry, but no.

If you are going to use a date cell then it needs to contain a complete date or nothing can be expected to guess that date correctly.  It has to choose something, and it does.

If you want the 31st of January then enter a valid representation of the 31st of January.
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Re: NVDA not showing up in Ease Of Access Center

Chris
 

I think the option is in nvda>general>use nvda on ogon and other screens button

 

and save the settings before exiting nvda

 

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: 19 April 2017 18:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not showing up in Ease Of Access Center

 

I just had my laptop to a computer store for repair.  The install of Win

10 had become corrupted and there was no way to roll back so they did a

clean install of Win 10 Anniversary version for me. This will no doubt

get updated to Creators soon.  The problem I'm having is that NVDA no

longer shows up in the Ease Of Access Center as it used to.  I tried

unchecking the auto start nvda at win log on and saving this and then

going right back and check it and save again.  I even restarted nvda a

couple times.  It still won't show up for me in Ease Of Access.  Can

anyone help?

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and LibreOffice annoyannces: dates

 

I'm sorry, but no.

If you are going to use a date cell then it needs to contain a complete date or nothing can be expected to guess that date correctly.  It has to choose something, and it does.

If you want the 31st of January then enter a valid representation of the 31st of January.
--
Brian

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            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

 

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 09:28 am, Walmir Schultz wrote:
The fact that a screen reader announces something different than that is shown in the screen is a very serious problem.

If we encounter this problem in a spreadsheet, the urgency of a solution is unquestionable.

It is only truly urgent, as opposed to a major annoyance, if what is being announced in reference to a number deprives you of the information you need.

If something is set to display two or three decimal places and NVDA reads five, as an example, you can still work with that.  Your description states that there is an excess of information, not a lack of it.

If you believe you've found a bug, and I believe you have, then reporting it via the NVDA Github bug reporting page is about all you can do.  Things get fixed in due time.
--
Brian

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Re: Vocalizer Tiflotecnia VS Vocalizer Codefactory

Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
 

Hi Rui!

I wish you many more voiceProjects! I've just tried eloquence from proposed of you link and I'm very glad of it! Yes, it's right that it sounds better!

Cheers!
Georgi
На 18.4.2017 г. в 15:13 ч., Rui Fontes написа:

Hello!

The only advantage you have in changing is if you urgently need some of the new languages...

Otherwise, you will pay again what you already have...

And, if you use the automatic language switching, you will change to worse...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Supanut Leepaisomboon
Data: 18 de abril de 2017 00:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Vocalizer Tiflotecnia VS Vocalizer Codefactory



Hi all,

Since Vocalizer from Tiflotecnia doesn't seem to be receiving updates, I wonder is there any advantages in switching to the Codefactory version, in terms of the prospect of getting future updates and functionality? I checked the price of the Codefactory version, and looks like it's cheaper than the Tiflotecnia version.






NVDA not showing up in Ease Of Access Center

Roger Stewart
 

I just had my laptop to a computer store for repair. The install of Win 10 had become corrupted and there was no way to roll back so they did a clean install of Win 10 Anniversary version for me. This will no doubt get updated to Creators soon. The problem I'm having is that NVDA no longer shows up in the Ease Of Access Center as it used to. I tried unchecking the auto start nvda at win log on and saving this and then going right back and check it and save again. I even restarted nvda a couple times. It still won't show up for me in Ease Of Access. Can anyone help?


Thanks.


Roger


NVDA and LibreOffice annoyannces: dates

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

This problem apparently is related to the way NVDA announces erroneously the decimals in number.

The formatting of dates is also announced incorrectly.

For example, "Jan/17" is announced as "01/01/2017".

I must note that these are very different things. For instance, in my spreadsheets, I use "Jan/17" to indicate a value referring to the last day of january and, obviously, "01/01/2017" refers to the first day of than month.

So, this can lead to various interpretation errors related to the values referring to this dates.

Note also that this behavior started in LibreOffice 5.2.x.


Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Excuse me for my insistence, but...

The fact that a screen reader announces something different than that is shown in the screen is a very serious problem.

If we encounter this problem in a spreadsheet, the urgency of a solution is unquestionable.




Em 03/01/2017 10:00, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:

In a Calc spreadsheet I have some cells with numbers formatted to show only two or three decimal places.

But NVDA reads all digits before and after the decimal point.

When I copy the cell contents to the clipboard and use INSERT+C to do NVDA read the contents, the number is announced correctly, with the two or three decimal places.

I don't remember seeing this issue in LibreOffice 4 and NVDA 2015, but cannot tell wich program is causing the problem.



NVDA and Libreofice, a new problem: CRASH!!

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

One of the reasons I decided to downgrade to LibreOffice 5.1.x was a new problem.

While using Calc 5.3.2.1, the program crashes randomly, showing a message saying that the files will be saved. Then a dialog invites to send a report and the file recovering is launched.

As far as I know, this only occurs in conjunction with NVDA.


Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

 

walmir,
i remember that only i tested calc 5.2 with nvda one time and i was
not comfortable with it.
you can subscribe in
www.bugs.libreoffice.org
and report it for developers to fix it.
also did you try libreoffice 5.3 calc with nvda to see the result?

On 4/19/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Excuse me, but LibreOffice is broken, at least when working with NVDA.

This is especially true with Calc.

At least in the case of decimal digits being announced in a different
form that they are shown on the screen, the fault apparently is of
LibreOffice 5.2.x


Em 18/04/2017 16:06, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Nasrin,

As a matter of policy I never use anything but the latest
versions of open source or free software such as LibreOffice, so I
really can't advise regarding what earlier versions are like. I
personally would not use an earlier version unless the latest has
somehow become broken from an accessibility standpoint, and that's not
particularly likely.
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Re: Wordpad ribbons

Kwork
 

For a WordPad replacement, there's always Jarte, still using clasic menus:
http://www.jarte.com/
Travis

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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons


Wooo, testing it, wordpad is totally unusable for me in Windows 7. I
can't open ribbons, I can't move between buttons in save dialog, I can't
locate the ribbon with object navigation (I can locate these using flat
navigation but is not activated) etc... horrible.


El 19/04/2017 a las 4:38, Brian's Mail list account escribió:
Hmm, for the record in 7 at least one can import the xp version of
Wordpad with its ordinary ribbons.
It also seems to get around the apparent random format choices in save
that the newer version seems to exhibit, at least for myself.
Thinks.. I wonder if this is in any way related to the some menues
dont work after running some software, issue I meantioned yesterday?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons


I'm not sure which list it was on but the subject of ribbons came up
in Wordpad yesterday. two people reported that they couldn't get the
ribbons to come up. there was speculation as to the cause but now we
know. On another list, the topic came up again tonight. A list
member reports that his ribbons working properly in Windows 7. He
then installed the four important updates Microsoft said should be
installed and now they no longer work. So much for the wonders of
forced updates in Windows 10. this was in Windows 7, as I said and we
don't know if Windows 10 is affected. But all those who cannot defer
updates may have this problem. They can't be deferred in Windows 10
home.

Gene




Re: Read current line 3 times to copy its content to clipboard?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Gerardo,
In fact, I had filed a ticket a very long while ago on the tracker,
but admittedly, I had been unable to provide any substantial usage
case for the same. Moreover, another user even reported that pressing
NVDA+T thrice accidentally was sufficient an annoyance because due to
that inadvertent extra NVDA+T press, the clipboard contents got
modified which can be an understandable irritation, thus voting
against NVDA+L thrice copying the current line. I would be happy to
look and provide you the ticket link if necessary, in case you wish to
substantiate the feature requests with usage cases and other
justification.
Thanks.

On 4/19/17, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com> wrote:
I've always wondered with nvda Why not PUT IN A COMMAND OF 3-TIMES
nvda+L (Laptop keyboard layout) that reads current line, 3-times so that
what NVDA just read gets copied onto the Clipboard? Just like the logic
behind NVDA+t 3-times to copy the title's content to the clipboard, the
same logic could be applied to NVDA+l 3-times, right? it's just so
natural of nvda+T 3-times that I've thought why not implement this into
copy current line? I'm always looking for ways to better NVDA, thus the
suggestion.




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Re: free alternative to Qcast

Tea Turković
 

Didn't hear for this program before. I just downloaded the program, it looks great.
Thanks, Robert.


19.4.2017. u 15:52, Robert Kingett je napisao/la:

There is a free alternative to Qcast, and Qread, even, but I think this is a better podcatcher in some aspects. Anyway, the link is below.

http://www.webbie.org.uk/accessiblepodcatcher/





Re: Wordpad ribbons

 

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:41 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Myself I'd prefer the old system of a nag message that says, windows has some updates. When can I install them?

I personally miss that aspect of old Windows Update as well.  I always had my systems set to download updates but to let me choose when to install them.  I don't care very much with regard to updates that don't require a restart, but for the ones the will it would be nice to have a really obvious warning that one is waiting, and you don't get that anymore.

My machine did a restart overnight to apply updates regarding which I had not noticed anything come up in the notification center.  There have been other times when, by chance, I have and could choose to either restart now or just let the Windows Update process do that for me during non-active hours.

What I find interesting is how readily some want to assign any malfunction on their computers to "a bad update."   It's not that these have never occurred, but when a true bad update goes out the effects are generally not isolated, but broad.   Updates can, and sometimes do, reveal a vulnerability that was idiosyncratic to one's own machine due to something that came (or didn't come) before rather than the update itself.   During the old Windows Update era I had a lot of calls over the years that were for problems that I solved by applying Windows Updates that the user had not applied, sometimes by intent and sometimes through malfunction of Windows Update that they hadn't noticed.  My own experience in doing technical support for a long time now strongly suggests to me that there were many more issues that were the direct result of refusing updates selectively and, over time, that creating a house of cards that finally came crashing down.
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