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Re: Instant Translate - addon

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi Gustavo,
If you have the version 4.1-dev that uses Yandex translator
1. you need to create an account by going to:
And click on "Get a free API key".
2. Explore the folder of the user settings of NVDA and go on addons\instantTranslate\globalPlugins\instantTranslate
Now open the file translator.py with notepad++ or notepad;
3. Find the word "key".
4. replace the key contained on the line between the character "=" and "&" with your key you just obtained after the registration of the Yandex account.
5. save and restart nvda.
 
Note: do not give anyone your kkey.
 
Cheers
Adriano
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Instant Translate - addon

Hello

I use Instant translate add-on as you tell me but dont to acess for results of the translations. This is my problem.

Regards

2017-04-27 20:25 GMT-03:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
Hi Gustavo,

The Instant Translate add-on can be found on the Add-ons page here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/instantTranslate.en.html

Once you have installed it, there is an extra item "Instant Translate" in the NVDA Preferences menu (Press NVDA+N then P to access), this lets you setup the desired languages to translate to and from.

Once you're setup, you can use it by selecting text or copying text to the clipboard, then:

"All following commands must be pressed after modifier key "NVDA+Shift+t":

  • T: Translate selected text,
  • Shift+t: translate text from the Clipboard,
  • S: swap source and target languages,
  • A: announce current configuration,
  • C: copy last result to clipboard,
  • I: identify the language of selected text,
  • H: announces all available commands to user."
Note, I copied that out of the information on the page I linked to, read through the whole page to get a full idea of all the features and how to use it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Luiz Gustavo dos Santos <gustavodote@...> wrote:
Hello.

Please can someone tell me how to access the translations made by the Instant Translate add-on?

Thank you



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Re: Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

Gene
 

I really doubt it.  I don't know what the problem is but it strains credulity that there are something like 150 messages whose title can't be read and the rest can.  And these 150 messages all arrived on the same day.  In addition, you have presented no evidence that a lack of encoding information would cause this result.  I have never seen a message whose header information can't be read even if the message, when opened, can't be read for some reason.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a
language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list


> Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually disable
> all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and see
> if
> that works.
>
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
>
>
> Gene,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
>
>
> I'll take each of your points in turn:
>
> 1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?
>
> A: The problem persists.
>
>
>
> 2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.
>
> A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
> not
> change anything.
>
>
>
> 3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
> or tree view.
>
> A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
> Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
> thank
> you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!
>
>
>
> Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
>
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>
>
>
>
>
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> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>
>
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>
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> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
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>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
>
>
> This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
> again?
>
>
>
> Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out
> of
> the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever works
> or,
> if they both work, use the method you prefer..
>
>
>
> Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
> or
> tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you will
> move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move
> to
> will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the
> first
> or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
> arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct
> commands for edit fields such as in word processors.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:  <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM
>
> To:  <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!
>
>
>
> I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).
>
>
>
> This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
> what
> the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
> happen.
>
>
>
> Here's the story:
>
> I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
> following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
> sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
> messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer ones
> below when I don't want to keep them.
>
>
>
> my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a message
> if
> I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
> reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message up
> into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
> the
> messages rapidly.
>
>
>
> When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
> nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
> list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells me
> that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as you
> would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
> each
> of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the sender
> and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.
>
>
>
> I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message and
> found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
> 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to the
> 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
> echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
> persisted
> with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I arrive
> at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
> sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
> unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
> enough,
> NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th
> to
> find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
> continued silent as before.
>
>
>
> I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
> messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
> and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
> bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
> to
> the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.
>
>
>
> As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
> happen frequently.
>
>
>
> The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
> folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.
>
> Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
> "curtained" or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
> identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.
>
>
>
> I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the bottom
> of this behaviour.
>
> By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried JAWS
> 16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of the
> title details normally.
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
>
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

Sometimes it happens to me, too. I believe this happens, because the
page has nott completely loaded. If I wait a little and then press f7
then I get the list of elements.

On 4/29/17, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Caret browsing is a function of some browsers and a Chrome add-on, all
enabled using F7 key. Here is an extract from an article describing it’s
use:



Google Chrome’s Caret Browsing:

We all are aware of the difficulty we face every time we try selecting some
text from a web page using a mouse. Most of the time either our hand slips
or the pointer stops working after selecting half the text! Caret browsing
is extremely helpful if you are into frequent text selection and text
copying from web pages.

For long reads from web pages where extensive page navigation is required,
caret browsing is the ideal tool for you. You can already use caret browsing
in Firefox and Internet Explorer by pressing F7 (for enabling and disabling
the feature). The feature has been recently made available in Google Chrome
with the help of a caret browsing extension.

Caret Browsing – What it means!

Caret browsing is nothing but a technique for keyboard navigation where we
can move the text cursor on a web page like we do in any document or text
editor. This is another helpful extension which has been offered to us by
the Google Accessibility team, like they did with the Google Tone, Chrome
Vox, the Colour Enhancer extension and many more. It really is a boon for
die-hard Chrome users who are into text documenting work.

How to Use it!

•Go to Chrome Web Store and install the extension for Caret Browsing, like
you do for installing any extension in Chrome.

•You can enable or disable the browsing mode with the F7 key, like you do in
Firefox or Internet Explorer.

•Go to the part of the text where you want your text cursor to be in. Click
there.

•Now you can use the arrow keys to move up and down the text like you do in
any text editor.

•In case you want to skip certain words, you can use Ctrl along with the
arrow keys.

•In order to select text, use Shift + arrow keys.

•If you want to open a link posted on the web page, go to the hyperlink and
press enter. The link gets automatically focussed once the cursor reaches
there.

•For coming out from a focused control (list box or a text box), press Esc
and then the right or left arrow key.

For enhanced caret browsing experience, you can also install the keyboard
shortcut extension from the Chrome Web Store.





Cheeers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: 29 April 2017 01:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?



I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the elements
list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing". I have no idea
of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me. This is kind of
rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away and I'll get the
elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using the same
version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows update has
caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would work
intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't
working properly for some other reason.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?



Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7
along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I
get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not
ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to
its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search. I think the
latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.






Re: "NVDA HF5 unavailable"

 

Brian, could you explain a little more?

On 4/29/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Redefined function keys on the machine??
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] "NVDA HF5 unavailable"


Hi everyone,

When windows and NVDA load on my laptop NVDA says "NVDA HF5
unavailable" and when I alt+tab to change the window it says "NVDA HF6
unavailable". Then I restart NVDA and those anouncements go away.
Any idea why this happens? Do I need to do something to correct this?
Nevzat






Re: Instant Translate - addon

Luiz Gustavo dos Santos <gustavodote@...>
 

Hello

I use Instant translate add-on as you tell me but dont to acess for results of the translations. This is my problem.

Regards

2017-04-27 20:25 GMT-03:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Hi Gustavo,

The Instant Translate add-on can be found on the Add-ons page here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/instantTranslate.en.html

Once you have installed it, there is an extra item "Instant Translate" in the NVDA Preferences menu (Press NVDA+N then P to access), this lets you setup the desired languages to translate to and from.

Once you're setup, you can use it by selecting text or copying text to the clipboard, then:

"All following commands must be pressed after modifier key "NVDA+Shift+t":

  • T: Translate selected text,
  • Shift+t: translate text from the Clipboard,
  • S: swap source and target languages,
  • A: announce current configuration,
  • C: copy last result to clipboard,
  • I: identify the language of selected text,
  • H: announces all available commands to user."
Note, I copied that out of the information on the page I linked to, read through the whole page to get a full idea of all the features and how to use it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Luiz Gustavo dos Santos <gustavodote@...> wrote:
Hello.

Please can someone tell me how to access the translations made by the Instant Translate add-on?

Thank you



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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: NVDA with Remote Desktop Services

Luke Scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Hi Frank
I think you could do it with the NVDA Remote, but it might be difficult.
An alternative is to install a copy of NVDA on your server and make it available to all users. Then activate the virtual soundcard, or remote audio service which will route audio to the connecting clients. The clients can then activate NVDA remotely and they should get the audio on their machine.
Hope that helps.
Regards
Luke

On 28 Apr 2017, at 17:32, fnosan@... wrote:

Hi, does NVDA support a scenario where: 

1. several visually impaired users connect to a central Remote Desktop Services (Terminal Server) machine
2. obviously, each user opens a separate Remote Desktop session
2. each user uses NVDA to control his/her respective session

From what I understand the NVDA Remote add-on would not support this scenario, but I am not sure. 

Thank you!

Frank


Re: "NVDA HF5 unavailable"

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Redefined function keys on the machine??
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] "NVDA HF5 unavailable"


Hi everyone,

When windows and NVDA load on my laptop NVDA says "NVDA HF5
unavailable" and when I alt+tab to change the window it says "NVDA HF6
unavailable". Then I restart NVDA and those anouncements go away.
Any idea why this happens? Do I need to do something to correct this?
Nevzat


Re: Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list


Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled. I usually disable
all tools and turn off the preview. Also, try restarting outlook and see if
that works.



Matthew







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Gene,



Thanks for the quick response.



I'll take each of your points in turn:

1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?

A: The problem persists.



2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.

A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did not
change anything.



3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or tree view.

A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I thank
you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!



Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
again?



Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out of
the current folder, then back. You can try both and use whichever works or,
if they both work, use the method you prefer..



Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list or
tree view. Home and end are. If you use control home and end. you will
move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move to
will not be selected. using home and end moves you to and selects the first
or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
arrow keys, that is, move and select. Control home and end are correct
commands for edit fields such as in word processors.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> Cearbhall O'Meadhra

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM

To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Hi,



I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!



I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).



This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out what
the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
happen.



Here's the story:

I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer ones
below when I don't want to keep them.



my method for managing the messages is to press down-arrow on a message if
I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message up
into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all the
messages rapidly.



When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells me
that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as you
would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on each
of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the sender
and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.



I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message and
found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end to move to the
250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have persisted
with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I arrive
at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure enough,
NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th to
find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
continued silent as before.



I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up to
the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.



As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
happen frequently.



The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.

Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
"curtained" or not, and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.



I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the bottom
of this behaviour.

By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried JAWS
16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of the
title details normally.





All the best,



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Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Chris Mullins
 

Caret browsing is a function of some browsers and a Chrome add-on, all enabled using F7 key.  Here is an extract from an article describing it’s use:

 

Google Chrome’s Caret Browsing:

We all are aware of the difficulty we face every time we try selecting some text from a web page using a mouse. Most of the time either our hand slips or the pointer stops working after selecting half the text! Caret browsing is extremely helpful if you are into frequent text selection and text copying from web pages.

For long reads from web pages where extensive page navigation is required, caret browsing is the ideal tool for you. You can already use caret browsing in Firefox and Internet Explorer by pressing F7 (for enabling and disabling the feature). The feature has been recently made available in Google Chrome with the help of a caret browsing extension.

Caret Browsing – What it means!

Caret browsing is nothing but a technique for keyboard navigation where we can move the text cursor on a web page like we do in any document or text editor. This is another helpful extension which has been offered to us by the Google Accessibility team, like they did with the Google Tone, Chrome Vox, the Colour Enhancer extension and many more. It really is a boon for die-hard Chrome users who are into text documenting work.

How to Use it!

•Go to Chrome Web Store and install the extension for Caret Browsing, like you do for installing any extension in Chrome.

•You can enable or disable the browsing mode with the F7 key, like you do in Firefox or Internet Explorer.

•Go to the part of the text where you want your text cursor to be in. Click there.

•Now you can use the arrow keys to move up and down the text like you do in any text editor.

•In case you want to skip certain words, you can use Ctrl along with the arrow keys.

•In order to select text, use Shift + arrow keys.

•If you want to open a link posted on the web page, go to the hyperlink and press enter. The link gets automatically focussed once the cursor reaches there.

•For coming out from a focused control (list box or a text box), press Esc and then the right or left arrow key.

For enhanced caret browsing experience, you can also install the keyboard shortcut extension from the Chrome Web Store.

 

 

Cheeers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: 29 April 2017 01:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the elements list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing".  I have no idea of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me.  This is kind of rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away and I'll get the elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem.  Are you using the same version of Windows as the student?  If so, perhaps a Windows update has caused problems.  It's unlikely that the insert key would work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't working properly for some other reason.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.

 


Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Andre Fisher
 

Have you tried this with add-ons disabled? How about assigning an
additional keystroke to this command?

On 4/28/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Just FYI:

1.  All issues on a machine running Win10 Home 64-bit Version 1703, Build
15063.250

2. Tried in IE11 and Chrome.

3. Also tried toggling between Browse and Focus mode, and am using the Focus
Highlight add-on.

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Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

Just FYI:

1.  All issues on a machine running Win10 Home 64-bit Version 1703, Build 15063.250

2. Tried in IE11 and Chrome.

3. Also tried toggling between Browse and Focus mode, and am using the Focus Highlight add-on.


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Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

hi.
did you try nvda+f7 in microsoft edge or aby other browsers?
if in microsoft edge, its maybe related to the microsoft edge.
i read somewhere that microsoft recommended that not install update
for windows ten not now to fix the bugs and provide a good operating
system.
and i dont think that you see this behaviour in any browser except edge.

On 4/29/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me ask you, are you in focus mode when this occurs? For example,
you go to the Google homepage. If you try this command in focus mode,
it won't work. If you try this command anywhere outside of browse
mode, where you can use single letter navigation, such as on the
address bar, it won't work.

Regards

On 4/28/17, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the
elements list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing". I
have no idea of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me.
This is kind of rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away
and I'll get the elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:
It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using
the same version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows
update has caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would
work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually
isn't working properly for some other reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators
Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6
and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do
NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off,
which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with
regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.
I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be
required.




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Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Andre Fisher
 

Let me ask you, are you in focus mode when this occurs? For example,
you go to the Google homepage. If you try this command in focus mode,
it won't work. If you try this command anywhere outside of browse
mode, where you can use single letter navigation, such as on the
address bar, it won't work.

Regards

On 4/28/17, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the
elements list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing". I
have no idea of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me.
This is kind of rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away
and I'll get the elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:
It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using
the same version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows
update has caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would
work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually
isn't working properly for some other reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators
Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6
and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do
NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off,
which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with
regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.
I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be
required.



Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Roger Stewart
 

I have seen problems with the F7 in nvda where it won't display the elements list but just says something weird like "Carrot Browsing".  I have no idea of what this means, and I think it is of no use to me.  This is kind of rare, and if I hit the F7 a few times, it will go away and I'll get the elements lists.

Roger









On 4/28/2017 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:
It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem.  Are you using the same version of Windows as the student?  If so, perhaps a Windows update has caused problems.  It's unlikely that the insert key would work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't working properly for some other reason.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.



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Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Rui Fontes
 

It can be caused by the browser is not yet ready, so NVDA is not yet in browse mode, and in that case, only F7 is sent to the application, and that command is for activating the mouse mode...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 29 de abril de 2017 01:05
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?


It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem. Are you using the same version of Windows as the student? If so, perhaps a Windows update has caused problems. It's unlikely that the insert key would work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't working properly for some other reason.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?


Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search. I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.


Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Gene
 

It sounds as though this may not be an NVDA problem.  Are you using the same version of Windows as the student?  If so, perhaps a Windows update has caused problems.  It's unlikely that the insert key would work intermittently on two different screen-readers unless it actually isn't working properly for some other reason.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.


Re: Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

Gene
 

It would be useful to see what happens with another screen-reader.  We don't know if the problem has anything to do with NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

Matthew,

 

Thanks for the response!

 

No, I  don’t have any toolbars enabled. Restarting Outlook does not affect the problem either.

 

It’s as if there was a “curtain” over the first 54 messages. The 55th message is visible as normal but the 54th is not. Since the problem stays with the messages when I move the whole block of 150 messages to another folder, it must be that there is some characteristics of the messages that causes NVDA to stop reporting the information on each message until it gets to the bottom of the “curtain”

 

Do please keep the responses coming!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

 

Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually disable all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and see if that works. 

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

 

Gene,

 

Thanks for the quick response.

 

I’ll take each of your points in turn:

  1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?

A: The problem persists.

 

  1. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.

A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did not change anything. 

 

  1. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list or tree view. 

A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I thank you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!

 

Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

 

This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again? 

 

Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever works or, if they both work, use the method you prefer.. 

 

Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list or tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you will move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move to will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the first or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct commands for edit fields such as in word processors. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM

Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

 

Hi,

 

I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!

 

I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).

 

This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out what the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not happen.

 

Here's the story:

I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer ones below when I don't want to keep them.

 

my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a message if I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message up into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all the messages rapidly.

 

When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells me that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as you would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on each of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the sender and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.

 

I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message and found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to the 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have persisted with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I arrive at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure enough, NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th to find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top continued silent as before.

 

I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150 messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up to the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.

 

As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does happen frequently.

 

The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.

Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether curtained or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.

 

I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the bottom of this behaviour.

By the way, JAWS does not have this problem only NVDA. I have tried JAWS 16 on the same curtained block of messages and JAWS can read each of the title details normally.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

 

Actually, this was a typo, but I will admit that I was trying both F6 and F7 along with the NVDA key.

I'm back at home now but at least 50% of the time or more if I do NVDA+F7 I get the dialog box about turning Caret Browsing on or off, which I do not ever recall as happening before.

I was also getting some very weird misbehavior out of JAWS 18 with regard to its interaction with the use of WinKey and typing to search.  I think the latest dot update fixed that, but more testing will be required.


Re: Anyone having issues with NVDA+F6 in Creators Update?

Kevin Cussick
 

this is because it is nvda f7 hope this helps.

On 28/04/2017 21:46, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,
I'm actually with a student at this very moment and we're working with NVDA, or I should say trying to. I cannot seem to get a consistent result with bringing up the elements list with NVDA+F6. Way more often than not it's throwing me back to the address box and then navigating link by link afterward. What's up with that or what am I doing wrong?
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