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Re: History in Updates and Security

Dave Grossoehme
 

I can check or uncheck the button.  If I press the enter key it will be collapsed if uncollapsed or uncollapsee if already collapsed.  Nothing else happens.  If I tab once I go to the help tab.
Dave Insider
 
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] History in Updates and Security
 

Hi,

What happens if you do try to read this info?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] History in Updates and Security

 

Has anyone else had a problem reading the file name and date of download at the Preview History link?  I've seen this problem with windows 10 version 1703 build 16186.

 


Re: History in Updates and Security

 

Hi,

What happens if you do try to read this info?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] History in Updates and Security

 

Has anyone else had a problem reading the file name and date of download at the Preview History link?  I've seen this problem with windows 10 version 1703 build 16186.

 


History in Updates and Security

Dave Grossoehme
 

Has anyone else had a problem reading the file name and date of download at the Preview History link?  I've seen this problem with windows 10 version 1703 build 16186.


Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

 

 ,

            You beat me to the NVDA+f9 and NVDA+f10 pairing by mere moments, and I was playing with same in MS-Word 2010.

            You are correct that if you prefer to use the Windows Copy (Ctrl+C) command once the text is selected this behaves just like NVDA+F10 struck twice quickly if you're in a text editing program.

             Now I've got to get the hang of this in JAWS, too.  My clients who do a lot of writing often want to know how to get precise "large chunks" selected in the middle of documents that don't necessarily start or end at paragraph or line boundaries.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Gene
 

It sounds as though that will do what is wanted.  I hadn't thought of applying it in this way but you could mark the beginning of something, then find the end however you want, even by searching for something, and using the end marker when you get to the right place. 
 
If you are going to do this, you should be in object navigation mode.  You will be if you haven't changed it since you started NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Hello all,

Actually, Gene, there is such a command in NVDA. NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 to mark the end of the selection. Note, that NVDA+F10 will select even the character on the right of the text caret/cursor, and not only to the character on the left of the caret/cursor. So, you use standard text navigation commands to go to the place from which you want to start the selection, press NVDA+F9 to mark that position, again use standard text navigation commands to go to the place in which you want to end the selection and press NVDA+F10 there. Pressing once NVDA+F10 will only complete the selection. If you want to also copy the selected text, you'll have to press it twice. But in text editors like MS Word, NotePad and NotePad++ for example, pressing it twice is not needed - the text is normally selected (unlike how it is done by NVDA in virtual buffers) and you can press Control+C to copy the selected text. You can press NVDA+Shift+Up Arrow to check what text has been selected. Note, that the "NVDA" key is normally (with a "Desktop" keyboard layout set in NVDA) the INSERT key.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 29.4.2017 г. в 22:09, Gene написа:
As far as I know, there isn't a comparable command.  If you move to where you want to select text and hold the shift and do page down, you will select text much more quickly.  You can also probably hold the down arrow key and select text more slowly but still much more pleasantly than repeatedly pressing down arrow fifty or one-hundred times or more.  You can move down quickly in the ways I described.  then if you move too far, hold the shift key and move up until where you get to where you want selection to end.  Moving up unselects what you have selected and are now moving back through to the point where you stop moving back.  You can check to see where you are by releasing shift and using the screen-review command, read current line.  then hold the shift again and move more in whatever direction you wish.  you can use all the movement commands, right and left arrow, up and down arrow page up and down, etc.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Umair Ijaz
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Hi listers,
I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
make my switch easy. Thanks.



On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, is this windows ten?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account
> Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
> No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
> set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a
> language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
>
>> Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually disable
>> all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and see
>>
>> if
>> that works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll take each of your points in turn:
>>
>> 1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?
>>
>> A: The problem persists.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.
>>
>> A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
>> not
>> change anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>> or tree view.
>>
>> A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
>> Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
>> thank
>> you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>>
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>> Professional
>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>> Professional
>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
>> again?
>>
>>
>>
>> Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out
>>
>> of
>> the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever works
>> or,
>> if they both work, use the method you prefer..
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>> or
>> tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you will
>> move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move
>>
>> to
>> will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the
>> first
>> or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
>> arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct
>> commands for edit fields such as in word processors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From:  <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM
>>
>> To:  <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!
>>
>>
>>
>> I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).
>>
>>
>>
>> This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
>> what
>> the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the story:
>>
>> I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
>> following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
>> sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
>> messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
>> ones
>> below when I don't want to keep them.
>>
>>
>>
>> my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a message
>> if
>> I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
>> reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
>> up
>> into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
>> the
>> messages rapidly.
>>
>>
>>
>> When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
>> nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
>> list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
>> me
>> that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
>> you
>> would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
>> each
>> of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
>> sender
>> and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
>> and
>> found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
>> 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to
>> the
>> 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
>> echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
>> persisted
>> with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
>> arrive
>> at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
>> sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
>> unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
>> enough,
>> NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th
>>
>> to
>> find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
>> continued silent as before.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
>> messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
>> and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
>> bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
>> to
>> the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
>> happen frequently.
>>
>>
>>
>> The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
>> folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.
>>
>> Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
>> "curtained" or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
>> identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
>> bottom
>> of this behaviour.
>>
>> By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
>> JAWS
>> 16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
>> the
>> title details normally.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>>
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"




Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

 

Hello all,

Actually, Gene, there is such a command in NVDA. NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 to mark the end of the selection. Note, that NVDA+F10 will select even the character on the right of the text caret/cursor, and not only to the character on the left of the caret/cursor. So, you use standard text navigation commands to go to the place from which you want to start the selection, press NVDA+F9 to mark that position, again use standard text navigation commands to go to the place in which you want to end the selection and press NVDA+F10 there. Pressing once NVDA+F10 will only complete the selection. If you want to also copy the selected text, you'll have to press it twice. But in text editors like MS Word, NotePad and NotePad++ for example, pressing it twice is not needed - the text is normally selected (unlike how it is done by NVDA in virtual buffers) and you can press Control+C to copy the selected text. You can press NVDA+Shift+Up Arrow to check what text has been selected. Note, that the "NVDA" key is normally (with a "Desktop" keyboard layout set in NVDA) the INSERT key.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 29.4.2017 г. в 22:09, Gene написа:

As far as I know, there isn't a comparable command.  If you move to where you want to select text and hold the shift and do page down, you will select text much more quickly.  You can also probably hold the down arrow key and select text more slowly but still much more pleasantly than repeatedly pressing down arrow fifty or one-hundred times or more.  You can move down quickly in the ways I described.  then if you move too far, hold the shift key and move up until where you get to where you want selection to end.  Moving up unselects what you have selected and are now moving back through to the point where you stop moving back.  You can check to see where you are by releasing shift and using the screen-review command, read current line.  then hold the shift again and move more in whatever direction you wish.  you can use all the movement commands, right and left arrow, up and down arrow page up and down, etc.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Umair Ijaz
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Hi listers,
I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
make my switch easy. Thanks.



On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, is this windows ten?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account
> Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
> No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
> set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a
> language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
>
>> Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually disable
>> all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and see
>>
>> if
>> that works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll take each of your points in turn:
>>
>> 1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?
>>
>> A: The problem persists.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.
>>
>> A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
>> not
>> change anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>> or tree view.
>>
>> A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
>> Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
>> thank
>> you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>>
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>> Professional
>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>> Professional
>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
>> again?
>>
>>
>>
>> Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out
>>
>> of
>> the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever works
>> or,
>> if they both work, use the method you prefer..
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>> or
>> tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you will
>> move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move
>>
>> to
>> will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the
>> first
>> or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
>> arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct
>> commands for edit fields such as in word processors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From:  <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM
>>
>> To:  <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!
>>
>>
>>
>> I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).
>>
>>
>>
>> This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
>> what
>> the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the story:
>>
>> I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
>> following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
>> sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
>> messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
>> ones
>> below when I don't want to keep them.
>>
>>
>>
>> my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a message
>> if
>> I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
>> reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
>> up
>> into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
>> the
>> messages rapidly.
>>
>>
>>
>> When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
>> nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
>> list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
>> me
>> that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
>> you
>> would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
>> each
>> of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
>> sender
>> and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
>> and
>> found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
>> 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to
>> the
>> 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
>> echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
>> persisted
>> with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
>> arrive
>> at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
>> sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
>> unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
>> enough,
>> NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th
>>
>> to
>> find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
>> continued silent as before.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
>> messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
>> and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
>> bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
>> to
>> the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
>> happen frequently.
>>
>>
>>
>> The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
>> folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.
>>
>> Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
>> "curtained" or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
>> identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
>> bottom
>> of this behaviour.
>>
>> By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
>> JAWS
>> 16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
>> the
>> title details normally.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>>
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"




Re: File Format Converter Recommendations

 

well open broadcaster software obs works I have never tried it though.

On 30/04/2017 7:27 a.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi,
Shaun,
I do not wish to download YouTube videos, but upload instead. In any
case, I will check out your second suggestion.

Brian,
Apologies if I wrote MP3 again, and I indeed wanted to convert MP3 to
MP4 and not to MP3 again. :) Thank you for your suggestion however,
and while I will certainly look into the same, the purpose I am trying
to achieve is to either simply convert a .wav or .mp3 file into a
YouTube supported file format somehow, preferably not web-based.
Combining audio and an image would be something more preferable, but I
have been unsuccessful in achieving that exactly with Windows Movie
Maker 2012.
Thanks.

On 4/30/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Bhavya,

I wasn't quite sure how to interpret, " accessible freeware to
convert MP3 or WAV files into MP3 or FLV files, " And I thought that first
"MP3" might have been "MP4".

If you're trying to combine MP3 audio with some video to create an
FLV file have a look at: Moyea Video4Web Converter (
http://www.flash-video-mx.com/mp3_to_flv/ ) . I cannot speak to
accessibility as I've never used it because I have never wanted to do what
you're trying to do.

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the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.*

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**


Re: File Format Converter Recommendations

Bhavya shah
 

Hi,
Shaun,
I do not wish to download YouTube videos, but upload instead. In any
case, I will check out your second suggestion.

Brian,
Apologies if I wrote MP3 again, and I indeed wanted to convert MP3 to
MP4 and not to MP3 again. :) Thank you for your suggestion however,
and while I will certainly look into the same, the purpose I am trying
to achieve is to either simply convert a .wav or .mp3 file into a
YouTube supported file format somehow, preferably not web-based.
Combining audio and an image would be something more preferable, but I
have been unsuccessful in achieving that exactly with Windows Movie
Maker 2012.
Thanks.

On 4/30/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Bhavya,

          I wasn't quite sure how to interpret, " accessible freeware to
convert MP3 or WAV files into MP3 or FLV files, "  And I thought that first
"MP3" might have been "MP4".

          If you're trying to combine MP3 audio with some video to create an
FLV file have a look at:  Moyea Video4Web Converter (
http://www.flash-video-mx.com/mp3_to_flv/ ) .  I cannot speak to
accessibility as I've never used it because I have never wanted to do what
you're trying to do.

--
*Brian*

*     * *The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.*

*           ~ Dorothy Nevill*

**
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Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Gene
 

I meant to say pressing shift page down selects entire screens.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Pressing shift down arrow selects entire screens. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Umair Ijaz
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

It only selects paragraph when the text is larger then pressing ctrl
shift down arrow a number of times is also tough job.

On 4/30/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
> Try Control+Shift+Down Arrow
>
> On 4/29/17, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
>> me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
>> in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
>> may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
>> of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
>> selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
>> somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
>> process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
>> accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
>> specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
>> select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
>> of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
>> make my switch easy. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>> Hi, is this windows ten?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brian's
>>> Mail list account
>>> Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>
>>> No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of
>>> character
>>> set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think
>>> its
>>> a
>>> language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
>>>  Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually
>>>> disable
>>>> all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and
>>>> see
>>>>
>>>> if
>>>> that works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gene,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll take each of your points in turn:
>>>>
>>>> 1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?
>>>>
>>>> A: The problem persists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.
>>>>
>>>> A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it
>>>> did
>>>> not
>>>> change anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>>>> or tree view.
>>>>
>>>> A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
>>>> Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
>>>> thank
>>>> you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>>>> Professional
>>>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam
>>>> Reader
>>>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>>>> Professional
>>>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam
>>>> Reader
>>>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
>>>> again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move
>>>> out
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>> the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever
>>>> works
>>>> or,
>>>> if they both work, use the method you prefer..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a
>>>> list
>>>> or
>>>> tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you
>>>> will
>>>> move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you
>>>> move
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the
>>>> first
>>>> or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and
>>>> down
>>>> arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct
>>>> commands for edit fields such as in word processors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From:  <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM
>>>>
>>>> To:  <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest
>>>> versions).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
>>>> what
>>>> the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might
>>>> not
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the story:
>>>>
>>>> I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
>>>> following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in
>>>> reverse
>>>> sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
>>>> messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
>>>> ones
>>>> below when I don't want to keep them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a
>>>> message
>>>> if
>>>> I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want
>>>> to
>>>> reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
>>>> up
>>>> into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through
>>>> all
>>>> the
>>>> messages rapidly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow
>>>> reveals
>>>> nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the
>>>> message
>>>> list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
>>>> me
>>>> that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
>>>> you
>>>> would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
>>>> each
>>>> of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
>>>> sender
>>>> and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
>>>> and
>>>> found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about
>>>> the
>>>> 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to
>>>> the
>>>> 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow
>>>> is
>>>> echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
>>>> persisted
>>>> with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
>>>> arrive
>>>> at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
>>>> sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
>>>> unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
>>>> enough,
>>>> NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the
>>>> 150th
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
>>>> continued silent as before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first
>>>> 150
>>>> messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st
>>>> message
>>>> and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
>>>> bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back
>>>> up
>>>> to
>>>> the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
>>>> happen frequently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
>>>> folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.
>>>>
>>>> Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
>>>> "curtained" or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
>>>> identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
>>>> bottom
>>>> of this behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
>>>> JAWS
>>>> 16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
>>>> the
>>>> title details normally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> www.umairijaz.com
>>
>> "A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Gene
 

Pressing shift down arrow selects entire screens. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Umair Ijaz
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

It only selects paragraph when the text is larger then pressing ctrl
shift down arrow a number of times is also tough job.

On 4/30/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
> Try Control+Shift+Down Arrow
>
> On 4/29/17, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
>> me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
>> in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
>> may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
>> of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
>> selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
>> somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
>> process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
>> accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
>> specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
>> select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
>> of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
>> make my switch easy. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>>> Hi, is this windows ten?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brian's
>>> Mail list account
>>> Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>
>>> No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of
>>> character
>>> set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think
>>> its
>>> a
>>> language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
>>>  Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually
>>>> disable
>>>> all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and
>>>> see
>>>>
>>>> if
>>>> that works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gene,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll take each of your points in turn:
>>>>
>>>> 1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?
>>>>
>>>> A: The problem persists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.
>>>>
>>>> A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it
>>>> did
>>>> not
>>>> change anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>>>> or tree view.
>>>>
>>>> A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
>>>> Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
>>>> thank
>>>> you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>>>> Professional
>>>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam
>>>> Reader
>>>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The
>>>> Professional
>>>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam
>>>> Reader
>>>> <http://www.spam-reader.com/disclaimer.shtml>  for free now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
>>>> again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move
>>>> out
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>> the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever
>>>> works
>>>> or,
>>>> if they both work, use the method you prefer..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a
>>>> list
>>>> or
>>>> tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you
>>>> will
>>>> move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you
>>>> move
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the
>>>> first
>>>> or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and
>>>> down
>>>> arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct
>>>> commands for edit fields such as in word processors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From:  <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM
>>>>
>>>> To:  <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest
>>>> versions).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
>>>> what
>>>> the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might
>>>> not
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the story:
>>>>
>>>> I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
>>>> following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in
>>>> reverse
>>>> sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
>>>> messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
>>>> ones
>>>> below when I don't want to keep them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a
>>>> message
>>>> if
>>>> I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want
>>>> to
>>>> reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
>>>> up
>>>> into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through
>>>> all
>>>> the
>>>> messages rapidly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow
>>>> reveals
>>>> nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the
>>>> message
>>>> list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
>>>> me
>>>> that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
>>>> you
>>>> would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
>>>> each
>>>> of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
>>>> sender
>>>> and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
>>>> and
>>>> found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about
>>>> the
>>>> 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to
>>>> the
>>>> 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow
>>>> is
>>>> echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
>>>> persisted
>>>> with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
>>>> arrive
>>>> at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
>>>> sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
>>>> unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
>>>> enough,
>>>> NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the
>>>> 150th
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
>>>> continued silent as before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first
>>>> 150
>>>> messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st
>>>> message
>>>> and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
>>>> bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back
>>>> up
>>>> to
>>>> the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
>>>> happen frequently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
>>>> folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.
>>>>
>>>> Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
>>>> "curtained" or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
>>>> identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
>>>> bottom
>>>> of this behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
>>>> JAWS
>>>> 16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
>>>> the
>>>> title details normally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> www.umairijaz.com
>>
>> "A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--

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Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Gene
 

As far as I know, there isn't a comparable command.  If you move to where you want to select text and hold the shift and do page down, you will select text much more quickly.  You can also probably hold the down arrow key and select text more slowly but still much more pleasantly than repeatedly pressing down arrow fifty or one-hundred times or more.  You can move down quickly in the ways I described.  then if you move too far, hold the shift key and move up until where you get to where you want selection to end.  Moving up unselects what you have selected and are now moving back through to the point where you stop moving back.  You can check to see where you are by releasing shift and using the screen-review command, read current line.  then hold the shift again and move more in whatever direction you wish.  you can use all the movement commands, right and left arrow, up and down arrow page up and down, etc.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Umair Ijaz
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 2:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Hi listers,
I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
make my switch easy. Thanks.



On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi, is this windows ten?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account
> Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
> No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
> set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a
> language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>
>
>> Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled.  I usually disable
>> all tools and turn off the preview.  Also, try restarting outlook and see
>>
>> if
>> that works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll take each of your points in turn:
>>
>> 1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?
>>
>> A: The problem persists.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.
>>
>> A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
>> not
>> change anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>> or tree view.
>>
>> A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
>> Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
>> thank
>> you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>>
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Professional
>> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader
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>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
>> again?
>>
>>
>>
>> Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out
>>
>> of
>> the current folder, then back.  You can try both and use whichever works
>> or,
>> if they both work, use the method you prefer..
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
>> or
>> tree view.  Home and end are.  If you use control home and end. you will
>> move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move
>>
>> to
>> will not be selected.  using home and end moves you to and selects the
>> first
>> or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
>> arrow keys, that is, move and select.  Control home and end are correct
>> commands for edit fields such as in word processors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From:  <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM
>>
>> To:  <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!
>>
>>
>>
>> I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).
>>
>>
>>
>> This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
>> what
>> the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the story:
>>
>> I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
>> following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
>> sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
>> messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
>> ones
>> below when I don't want to keep them.
>>
>>
>>
>> my method for managing the messages is to press  down-arrow on a message
>> if
>> I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
>> reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
>> up
>> into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
>> the
>> messages rapidly.
>>
>>
>>
>> When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
>> nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
>> list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
>> me
>> that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
>> you
>> would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
>> each
>> of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
>> sender
>> and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
>> and
>> found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
>> 150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end   to move to
>> the
>> 250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
>> echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
>> persisted
>> with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
>> arrive
>> at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
>> sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
>> unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
>> enough,
>> NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th
>>
>> to
>> find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
>> continued silent as before.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
>> messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
>> and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
>> bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
>> to
>> the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
>> happen frequently.
>>
>>
>>
>> The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
>> folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.
>>
>> Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
>> "curtained" or not,  and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
>> identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
>> bottom
>> of this behaviour.
>>
>> By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
>> JAWS
>> 16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
>> the
>> title details normally.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>>
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>> <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...>
 

It only selects paragraph when the text is larger then pressing ctrl
shift down arrow a number of times is also tough job.

On 4/30/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Try Control+Shift+Down Arrow

On 4/29/17, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:
Hi listers,
I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
make my switch easy. Thanks.



On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, is this windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of
character
set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think
its
a
language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list


Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled. I usually
disable
all tools and turn off the preview. Also, try restarting outlook and
see

if
that works.



Matthew







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Gene,



Thanks for the quick response.



I'll take each of your points in turn:

1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?

A: The problem persists.



2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.

A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it
did
not
change anything.



3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or tree view.

A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
thank
you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!



Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
again?



Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move
out

of
the current folder, then back. You can try both and use whichever
works
or,
if they both work, use the method you prefer..



Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a
list
or
tree view. Home and end are. If you use control home and end. you
will
move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you
move

to
will not be selected. using home and end moves you to and selects the
first
or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and
down
arrow keys, that is, move and select. Control home and end are correct
commands for edit fields such as in word processors.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM

To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Hi,



I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!



I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest
versions).



This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
what
the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might
not
happen.



Here's the story:

I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in
reverse
sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
ones
below when I don't want to keep them.



my method for managing the messages is to press down-arrow on a
message
if
I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want
to
reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
up
into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through
all
the
messages rapidly.



When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow
reveals
nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the
message
list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
me
that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
you
would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
each
of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
sender
and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.



I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
and
found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about
the
150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end to move to
the
250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow
is
echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
persisted
with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
arrive
at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
enough,
NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the
150th

to
find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
continued silent as before.



I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first
150
messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st
message
and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back
up
to
the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.



As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
happen frequently.



The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.

Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
"curtained" or not, and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.



I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
bottom
of this behaviour.

By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
JAWS
16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
the
title details normally.





All the best,



Cearbhall



m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
<mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
















--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"





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www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"


Re: how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Andre Fisher
 

Try Control+Shift+Down Arrow

On 4/29/17, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:
Hi listers,
I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
make my switch easy. Thanks.



On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, is this windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its
a
language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list


Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled. I usually
disable
all tools and turn off the preview. Also, try restarting outlook and
see

if
that works.



Matthew







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Gene,



Thanks for the quick response.



I'll take each of your points in turn:

1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?

A: The problem persists.



2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.

A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
not
change anything.



3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or tree view.

A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
thank
you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!



Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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<mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...>





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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
again?



Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move
out

of
the current folder, then back. You can try both and use whichever works
or,
if they both work, use the method you prefer..



Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or
tree view. Home and end are. If you use control home and end. you will
move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you
move

to
will not be selected. using home and end moves you to and selects the
first
or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and
down
arrow keys, that is, move and select. Control home and end are correct
commands for edit fields such as in word processors.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM

To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Hi,



I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!



I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).



This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
what
the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might
not
happen.



Here's the story:

I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in
reverse
sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
ones
below when I don't want to keep them.



my method for managing the messages is to press down-arrow on a message
if
I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want
to
reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
up
into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
the
messages rapidly.



When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow
reveals
nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
me
that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
you
would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
each
of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
sender
and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.



I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
and
found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about
the
150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end to move to
the
250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
persisted
with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
arrive
at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
enough,
NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the
150th

to
find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
continued silent as before.



I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first
150
messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st
message
and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
to
the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.



As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
happen frequently.



The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.

Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
"curtained" or not, and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.



I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
bottom
of this behaviour.

By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
JAWS
16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
the
title details normally.





All the best,



Cearbhall



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how to select a specific large text in nvda in ms word

Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...>
 

Hi listers,
I asked this question from many nvda experts but no one has answered
me properly. actually i wanna switch to nvda because jaws stucks much
in ms wword but i need some keys to know in nvda. Kindly tell me how
may I select a specific large text in nvda which is neither at the top
of the document to be selected by ctrl shift home or at the end to be
selected by ctrl shift end, the text is at the middle , in the middle
somewhere. how can i do this in nvda? shift down arrow is too long
process as the text is large. I often do this work and in jaws i
accomplish it by temporarily marking the place from where that
specific text is starting and then i press insert space then m to
select all text from that temporary placemark to the current position
of the text. kindly tell me the comparable command in nvda. it will
make my switch easy. Thanks.

On 4/29/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, is this windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a
language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list


Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled. I usually disable
all tools and turn off the preview. Also, try restarting outlook and see

if
that works.



Matthew







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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Gene,



Thanks for the quick response.



I'll take each of your points in turn:

1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?

A: The problem persists.



2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.

A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
not
change anything.



3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or tree view.

A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
thank
you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!



Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?





All the best,



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
again?



Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out

of
the current folder, then back. You can try both and use whichever works
or,
if they both work, use the method you prefer..



Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or
tree view. Home and end are. If you use control home and end. you will
move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move

to
will not be selected. using home and end moves you to and selects the
first
or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
arrow keys, that is, move and select. Control home and end are correct
commands for edit fields such as in word processors.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM

To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Hi,



I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!



I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).



This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
what
the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
happen.



Here's the story:

I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer
ones
below when I don't want to keep them.



my method for managing the messages is to press down-arrow on a message
if
I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message
up
into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
the
messages rapidly.



When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells
me
that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as
you
would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
each
of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the
sender
and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.



I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message
and
found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end to move to
the
250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
persisted
with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I
arrive
at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
enough,
NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th

to
find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
continued silent as before.



I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
to
the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.



As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
happen frequently.



The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.

Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
"curtained" or not, and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.



I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the
bottom
of this behaviour.

By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried
JAWS
16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of
the
title details normally.





All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: File Format Converter Recommendations

 

Bhavya,

          I wasn't quite sure how to interpret, "accessible freeware to convert MP3 or WAV files into MP3 or FLV files,"  And I thought that first "MP3" might have been "MP4".

          If you're trying to combine MP3 audio with some video to create an FLV file have a look at:  Moyea Video4Web Converter.  I cannot speak to accessibility as I've never used it because I have never wanted to do what you're trying to do.

--
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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: File Format Converter Recommendations

 

well youtube dl can download videos in default format and audio I think thats free.

For a straight mp3 ogg, I think flac and other converter, winlame at http://winlame.sf.net works.

It is free and opensource, but the last beta was released in 2010, it works but its not updated by any means.

On 30/04/2017 3:22 a.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently in search of any accessible freeware to convert MP3 or
Wav files into MP3 or FLV files for YouTube video uploading related
purposes. I found several online options, but uploading 117 mb .wav
files and downloading a similarly sized converted version back is too
resource-hungry a process in my view. Therefore, could you recommend
me any free and accessible programs that would enable me to convert a
versatile range of file formats offline?
In addition to the above question, I am also curious about whether a
directly converted Wav to FLV file would be accepted as a YouTube
video, as I am informed that YouTube compulsorily requires some slight
visual or image content to be present even in the .flv video file
format, an information about which I reserve my skepticisms, and on
which I thus request your insights and inputs.
Thanks.


Re: File Format Converter Recommendations

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Brian,
Yes, I do have Audacity. Judging by the fact that it is stricly an
audio editor, wouldn't it be correct to assume that even its plugins
would be incapable of converting files into video formats? Probably
not, as that is what now makes sense to me and is what your message
indicates, but just hoping to double-check. I would still prefer a
simplistic stand-alone file format converter software that would
merely do its file format conversion job, but options and alternatives
are always useful when known.
Thanks.

On 4/29/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Bhavya,

          Take a look at Audacity ( http://www.audacityteam.org/ ) and any
of the plug-ins (
http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/faq_installation_and_plug_ins.html#lame
) (the LAME plugin is for MP3, there are others) you might need as far as
file formats not supported natively.
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the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.*

*           ~ Dorothy Nevill*

**
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Re: Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

Arlene
 

Hi, is this windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: April-29-17 2:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list

No these are unreadable in many clients. I suspect some kind of character
set offset in the mime statement of said emails, which makes it think its a
language it cannot read as there is no character set loaded for it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "matthew dyer" <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list


Just a thought, but do you have any tool bars enabled. I usually disable
all tools and turn off the preview. Also, try restarting outlook and see
if
that works.



Matthew







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Gene,



Thanks for the quick response.



I'll take each of your points in turn:

1. What happens if you exit NVDA and then run it again?

A: The problem persists.



2. Move to the folders list, move out of the current folder, then back.

A: This does not affect the behaviour. Like you, I tried this but it did
not
change anything.



3. control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or tree view.

A: Thanks for the advice! In fact, both actions work equally well in my
Outlook message list as the messages are never unselected. However, I
thank
you for setting me straight on the purpose of these keystrokes!



Are you familiar with the problem which I have raised?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



This isn't a solution but what happens if you exit NVDA and then run it
again?



Another work around to try would be to move to the folders list, move out
of
the current folder, then back. You can try both and use whichever works
or,
if they both work, use the method you prefer..



Also, control home and end are not the correct commands to use in a list
or
tree view. Home and end are. If you use control home and end. you will
move to the top or bottom of the list or tree view, but the item you move
to
will not be selected. using home and end moves you to and selects the
first
or last item and is consistent with the behavior of using the up and down
arrow keys, that is, move and select. Control home and end are correct
commands for edit fields such as in word processors.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...> Cearbhall O'Meadhra

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:08 PM

To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Unreadable message titles in Inbox list



Hi,



I have an strange problem reading Messages in my inbox!



I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with NVDA . (All latest versions).



This problem happens frequently but not all the time. I cannot find out
what
the cause of the problem is. I also cannot see when it might or might not
happen.



Here's the story:

I get about 200 messages a day from all the discussion lists that I am
following and some personal emails. I like to keep my messages in reverse
sort order so that the oldest are at the top. This way, I can keep the
messages that interest me at the top of the list and delete the newer ones
below when I don't want to keep them.



my method for managing the messages is to press down-arrow on a message
if
I want to keep it so that the next message comes into focus. If I want to
reject the message, I press the delete key. This moves the next message up
into the position of the NVDA focus. In this way, I can move through all
the
messages rapidly.



When the mysterious problem appears, I have found that down-arrow reveals
nothing. Just silence. I have to press tab to jump away from the message
list and shift-tab to get back and then I find that NVDA+numpad 8 tells me
that the next message has actually moved up into the focus position as you
would expect. No amount of up-arrow or down-arrow yields any speech on
each
of the messages. As you know, what should happen is that I hear the sender
and title information as the arrow moves from message to message.



I have persisted with down-arrow from silent message to silent message and
found that I can get back to the normal echoing behaviour after about the
150th message! Alternatively, I can press control and end to move to the
250th or last message in the Inbox where the movement of the up-arrow is
echoed from message to message as normal. As an experiment, I have
persisted
with the up-arrow from the bottom of the list and found that when I arrive
at the 150th message from the top, I suddenly lose the speaking of the
sender and title details again. In other words, I am back into the
unspeaking block of messages! I checked the 151st message and, sure
enough,
NVDA reads out the title details. Then I press up-arrow back to the 150th
to
find it silent and all the rest of the messages above it to the top
continued silent as before.



I hope you can follow this! It is as if a curtain lies over the first 150
messages. I can get out from under the curtain at about the 151st message
and proceed as normal to the last message. Likewise, I can jump to the
bottom of the list and read all the message details until I rise back up
to
the bottom of the curtain at the 150th message.



As I said at the beginning, this does not happen every day but it does
happen frequently.



The last time it happened, I saved the 150 curtained messages in a new
folder and the unreadable behaviour persists even now.

Please understand that I can press enter on each message, whether
"curtained" or not, and read it perfectly. The problem is that of
identifying the message in the Inbox list before opening it.



I would welcome any ideas or suggestions to see if I can get to the bottom
of this behaviour.

By the way, JAWS does not have this problem - only NVDA. I have tried JAWS
16 on the same "curtained" block of messages and JAWS can read each of the
title details normally.





All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: File Format Converter Recommendations

 

Bhavya,

          Take a look at Audacity and any of the plug-ins (the LAME plugin is for MP3, there are others) you might need as far as file formats not supported natively.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



File Format Converter Recommendations

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
I am currently in search of any accessible freeware to convert MP3 or
Wav files into MP3 or FLV files for YouTube video uploading related
purposes. I found several online options, but uploading 117 mb .wav
files and downloading a similarly sized converted version back is too
resource-hungry a process in my view. Therefore, could you recommend
me any free and accessible programs that would enable me to convert a
versatile range of file formats offline?
In addition to the above question, I am also curious about whether a
directly converted Wav to FLV file would be accepted as a YouTube
video, as I am informed that YouTube compulsorily requires some slight
visual or image content to be present even in the .flv video file
format, an information about which I reserve my skepticisms, and on
which I thus request your insights and inputs.
Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

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