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Re: "Overlay Pop-Ups" on Web Pages & Accessibility

Jacob Kruger
 

Forms of dynamically generated/triggered overlay areas on web pages - my onw ones I implement are done using jQuery UI module, but, besides making sure they render as modal - blocking other webpage content interaction, I do also implement a couple of things relating to ARIA (accessible-rich-internet-applications) with them, the simplest one being something that sort of assigns a dialogue title to the dialogue window section, but, for example, these ones I implement can be dismissed with escape key, but, that doesn't mean other guys hovering window sections can be handled that way.


You could try something along the lines of refreshing NVDA's rendering of the document, using NVDA key + F5, and then search for webpage content using the NVDA + ctrl + F keystroke, to see if you can thus locate the button/link needed to dismiss these overlay popups?


Alternatively, which browser is your friend using? Ask since browsers like chrome, firefox, opera and internet explorer all handle these things slightly differently at times - silly example is that in chrome, NVDA won't really allow you to do too much with regards to reviewing the contents of an old-school javascript alert popup - not easily/simply anyway, but, under firefox, or IE it's quite a bit simpler, and, yes, I use the different browsers for different forms of activity, but, honestly, firefox would be my one of choice for a site with issues like this, just in case.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-05-01 18:27, Brian Vogel wrote:

Hello All,

         I know that I've asked about this at some time in the past, but can't find the original topic.  I am trying to help a friend of mine with a website, new.doortodoororganics.com, from which she orders produce for home delivery.   They keep redesigning this website (which is frustrating enough) but have begun using what I call "overlay pop-ups" which are sort of the web equivalent of how UAC under Windows dims the screen and allows you focus only on the popped-up thing (or, in the case of a web browser, the web address field, too) until you interact with it or close it.

         I have yet to find a consistent access method to interact with these.  In this specific situation when you log in an overlay immediately shows up with your next order information shown, but at this point at least you can just go to the address bar and change the end of the address from "shop" to "account" and be taken straight to your account page.  On that page is a link to "Skip your next order" which is a cinch to find and activate.  However, once you activate it, you get another overlay pop-up, which contains a link, that you must use to confirm that you wish to skip the order.  As far as NVDA is concerned the thing doesn't exist.  I've tried object navigation when the thing is up and I get no previous or next objects, which suggests to me that "I am where I am and there's nowhere else to go."

         This style of pop-up is becoming increasingly common on many web pages and I'm trying to decide whether the inaccessibility is the fault of a web coder who's not using the available coding mechanisms to make this sort of pop-up accessible or if we're in a transitional state where the conventions of this type of overlay are so new and fluid that screen readers just don't know how to interact with them yet.

          I wish I could find a webpage where I can make this sort of thing show up on demand, but so far I have not, and in this specific instance, even if there weren't issues with logging in, those pop-ups only occur until you skip the order, which I did because that's what's necessary, but you can't make another show up until the next automatic order is generated.

          I am not even certain about what the correct terminology is for this sort of pop-up, because it does not occur in its own dialog box like a conventional pop-up does.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Gene
 

But I don't use the web interface for reading messages and I delete messages unless I have a specific reason for keeping them.  And I also think that, whatever the case and whether something might be assumed, that it should be stated so that there is no doubt or that previous messages should be retained.  In this case, no explanation is given and no previous messages are retained. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Gene,

           Since I posted what follows early in this topic:

                      CD Burner XP  (which works well beyond XP and is currently supported) is worth a try.

                      

I'd say it's safe to assume that Marco was using the link I provided, which is direct to the software maker's website.  That's one of the reasons for threading in e-mail - so that it's easy to reference back to earlier messages to find just this sort of stuff.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



"Overlay Pop-Ups" on Web Pages & Accessibility

 

Hello All,

         I know that I've asked about this at some time in the past, but can't find the original topic.  I am trying to help a friend of mine with a website, new.doortodoororganics.com, from which she orders produce for home delivery.   They keep redesigning this website (which is frustrating enough) but have begun using what I call "overlay pop-ups" which are sort of the web equivalent of how UAC under Windows dims the screen and allows you focus only on the popped-up thing (or, in the case of a web browser, the web address field, too) until you interact with it or close it.

         I have yet to find a consistent access method to interact with these.  In this specific situation when you log in an overlay immediately shows up with your next order information shown, but at this point at least you can just go to the address bar and change the end of the address from "shop" to "account" and be taken straight to your account page.  On that page is a link to "Skip your next order" which is a cinch to find and activate.  However, once you activate it, you get another overlay pop-up, which contains a link, that you must use to confirm that you wish to skip the order.  As far as NVDA is concerned the thing doesn't exist.  I've tried object navigation when the thing is up and I get no previous or next objects, which suggests to me that "I am where I am and there's nowhere else to go."

         This style of pop-up is becoming increasingly common on many web pages and I'm trying to decide whether the inaccessibility is the fault of a web coder who's not using the available coding mechanisms to make this sort of pop-up accessible or if we're in a transitional state where the conventions of this type of overlay are so new and fluid that screen readers just don't know how to interact with them yet.

          I wish I could find a webpage where I can make this sort of thing show up on demand, but so far I have not, and in this specific instance, even if there weren't issues with logging in, those pop-ups only occur until you skip the order, which I did because that's what's necessary, but you can't make another show up until the next automatic order is generated.

          I am not even certain about what the correct terminology is for this sort of pop-up, because it does not occur in its own dialog box like a conventional pop-up does.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

 

I also just downloaded cdbxp_setup_4.5.7.6125.exe from the CD Burner XP Downloads Page and scanned it after the fact again with Windows Defender and Malwarebytes.  Neither reports any threats in the executable.


--

Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

 

Gene,

           Since I posted what follows early in this topic:

                      CD Burner XP  (which works well beyond XP and is currently supported) is worth a try.

                      

I'd say it's safe to assume that Marco was using the link I provided, which is direct to the software maker's website.  That's one of the reasons for threading in e-mail - so that it's easy to reference back to earlier messages to find just this sort of stuff.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Gene
 

Which site were you downloading from?  At this point, we don't know if it was the site of the owner of the software or the site of a distributor of the soft ware.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

OK!
I would like to explain You.
First link to download this site, when I have pressed It, there was
message, that Eset blocked this site.
Nextly, after download this installation from another link It says, that
there is potential endangere of My computer, again by Eset.
Ofcourse, software is installed successfully, but....
Question is, really It countains viruse, or this is also starting of
Eset drama?
Thank You!
Marco



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Marco Oros
 

OK!
I would like to explain You.
First link to download this site, when I have pressed It, there was message, that Eset blocked this site.
Nextly, after download this installation from another link It says, that there is potential endangere of My computer, again by Eset.
Ofcourse, software is installed successfully, but....
Question is, really It countains viruse, or this is also starting of Eset drama?
Thank You!
Marco


Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

 

Amen to the request to write properly descriptive messages!!

I know that the last few messages from Mario must relate to Eset and CD Burner XP, but that's about all I know since no details were provided about what Eset is saying specifically.

I've had CD Burner XP on multiple machines (and still do) over a course of years and have not had it flagged by an antivirus or security suite.  There are times when false positives are detected and if you fear those may not be false positives then submitting a report to your antivirus provider, including a sample of the file flagged, will usually get you a response regarding whether there is a real issue or not.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Gene
 

Please write properly descriptive messages.  I often get over 150 messages a day and I'm not sure what program you are asking about.  And a lot of other people may not remember either.  Name the program you are asking about and describe why you are asking.  Evidently, your antivirus program is flagging a program you are trying to install as malware. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

But, It really, not couns any viruse?



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Gene
 

It is almost never necessary nor desirable to remove an antivirus program to solve a problem caused by it's detection of a false positive.  You can turn off protection to test if that is the problem and then turn it on again.  If it is the problem, you can exclude the program from being detected by the antivirus or antimalware program.  I don't know what specific problem you are having.  If you can't install the program because it is flagged as malware, ask here how to turn off protection in your program.  You shouldn't have to remove it.
 
There are programs that require antivirus protection to be turned off during installation.  Then after installation, you can turn it on again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Thanks!
I have try It, but I must maybe remove eset.



Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Marco Oros
 

But, It really, not couns any viruse?


Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Marco Oros
 

OK, I have skipped those stupid warnings from Eset.


Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Marco Oros
 

Thanks!
I have try It, but I must maybe remove eset.


Re: Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

 

Marco,

        

                      CD Burner XP  (which works well beyond XP and is currently supported) is worth a try.

                     
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: But, this site doesn't countains virus

Gene
 

And, as a piece of information that may be useful and interesting to Chrome users, it appears that such notices are inaccessible in Chrome.  After all these years, are they ever going to make the browser as accessible as it should be after all this time?  And, to make matters more interesting, I was able to select the text and paste it into Notepad and I could read it there.  The Google information is both inaccurate and incomplete.  it says that the error is because your clock and date are wrong.  It doesn't state the real problem, a certificate that can't be verified because of errors in it.  Not very impressive on both fronts.  But if Google users ever get an inaccessible message with a title that says something like clock error when you read the title bar, that's what it really is--a certificate error.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] But, this site doesn't countains virus

I said that when I continued to the site despite the warning, it couldn't be opened.  But that was when  I was testing with a very old version of internet Explorer.  I wouldn't have tested with such an old browser but I didn't know if making an exception in Firefox would be hard to undo.  I didn't want it to be permanent.  But making an exception, I found, can be done on a one time basis so I tested with a much newer browser.  When I tested with a newer browser, I was able to go to the site.  While the problem is probably nothing but an outdated certificate and the site is still probably safe, exceptions shouldn't be made unless you are confident that the site is safe.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] But, this site doesn't countains virus

You can work around this by adding an exception

 

To do this click on advanced then add an exception then click on confirm and that should do it

 

 

 


Re: But, this site doesn't countains virus

Gene
 

I said that when I continued to the site despite the warning, it couldn't be opened.  But that was when  I was testing with a very old version of internet Explorer.  I wouldn't have tested with such an old browser but I didn't know if making an exception in Firefox would be hard to undo.  I didn't want it to be permanent.  But making an exception, I found, can be done on a one time basis so I tested with a much newer browser.  When I tested with a newer browser, I was able to go to the site.  While the problem is probably nothing but an outdated certificate and the site is still probably safe, exceptions shouldn't be made unless you are confident that the site is safe.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] But, this site doesn't countains virus

You can work around this by adding an exception

 

To do this click on advanced then add an exception then click on confirm and that should do it

 

 

 


Re: But, this site doesn't countains virus

Chris
 

You can work around this by adding an exception

 

To do this click on advanced then add an exception then click on confirm and that should do it

 

 

 


Re: But, this site doesn't countains virus

Gene
 

I assumed that you were talking about the main NVDA site since you didn't specify anything different.  You must be specific when asking questions.  I just checked the add ons site and an untrusted message does come up. Also, when I tried to continue to the site, I got a message that the site can't be displayed.  So there is no problem with your browser.  The site administrators will have to find out what the problem is with the site.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] But, this site doesn't countains virus

An old certificate warning has nothing to do with malware.  Sites have certificates that tell the browser that the site is the actual site, not a counterfeit site that has taken over the name.  There is no problem with the certificate for the NVDA site.  Use the go ahead option the browser gives you to use it anyway.  I'm not sure how to correct the problem you are having.  Make sure both the time and date are correct on your computer.  the most common reason to get such warnings is if your time and/or date are wrong.  Aside from that, I don't have the technical knowledge to tell you other things to try to correct it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] But, this site doesn't countains virus

Please, what kind of virus is nin this site, if Firefox It also
referred, as old certificate?



Good software to burn not only data, but audio CD also and DVD

Marco Oros
 

Hi!

I would like to find some software to create (write), or copy Audio CDs, data CDs and DVDs.

I have Nero burn lite, but It is for audio CD. I have also Img Burn, but maybe It isn't very accessible.

I have heard about Infra recorder and Try It, but I can't copy CDs from that.

Thank You!

Marco Oros


Re: But, this site doesn't countains virus

Marco Oros
 

NVDA addons.