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Re: Scanning and Reading PDF files

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Personally, I'd use a paid for OCR for books, no matter which format you are displaying it as, as lots of errors can occur and you do need to be able to edit the final result.. in my experience a lot, depending on how bad the printing is how the book binding affects the scan. Its not a precise art, though a friend actually seems to get better results on his smart phone with knfb reader than I can with Adbbey or any other one I've tried using a scanner.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fantasy Sports" <fantasylife@earthlink.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files


If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
program to extract the text?

NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
was scanned or prepared.

Does anyone know?


Re: Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This is the priority of the items like bullets and other special characters which you can individually alter in the punctuation symbols list easily, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by links. I believe that if you don't want spelling error to occur here then you need to tell your word processor not to scan links, however if you don't want link spoken at all in certain programs but you do in others, you need to select your program run it go to profiles and then set the parameters you want and create that as a profile so that particular selection can only occur in that software.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fantasy Sports" <fantasylife@earthlink.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors


Okay, I've been troubleshooting a little.


I haven't figured how to run NVDA without add-ons, so I should probably try
that also.


With the Code Factory add-on, it is reading a lot of the formatting of PDF's
and websites, which I think is the problem.


For instance, every time it gets to a bullet point, it will say the word "bullet".


Is there a way to stop this? I think if I fix that it will fix the hyperlinks
problem also.








-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 3, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors


Do you know how to run NVDA with no add ons? Doing that would tell you if an add on is causing the problem. If so, you can then disable one add on at a time until you find the one. Are you using the standard read to end command, NVDA key down arrow or reading using some other procedure. This is essential information in discussing the problem.

Gene
----- Original Message ----

From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors


I am using the Code Factory Vocalizer.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
>Sent: May 3, 2017 2:47 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors
>
>hi
>
>
>for the first question which synth package are you using?
>
>
>the second question is have a look under the document settings in nvda.
>Uncheck the box that say about report spelling errors.
>
>
>Gene nz
>
>
>
>On 3/05/2017 6:22 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> Whenever NVDA is reading anything on a web page and it encounters a hyperlink, it
>> stops reading.
>>
>> Is there a way for it to keep going, or to just read the text of the hyperlink itself?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that when it encounters proper nouns, it will often read out the
>> words "spelling error" when it reads the name.
>>
>> Is there a way to disable that?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
>material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
>are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>which locations or location is near to you please visit
>http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
>Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -
>
>
>


Re: Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Gene
 

Open the NVDA menu, open preferences and open document formatting.  Look through the dialog and turn off everything you don't want to have announced.  You may not find everything you don't want to hear listed but there are many items.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I did a lot of experimenting with this, and got it to stop freezing in web documents.

The mistake I was making was using Down Arrow, instead of CTRL + Down Arrow.

Insert+Down Arrow will also successful read through the link.

However, it is saying "link" and "out of link" constantl when getting to the hyperlinks.

Perhaps there is a way to get it to not comment on HTML anchors and also bullet
points, etc?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 7, 2017 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I don't know of any way to stop such information from being read but it has nothing to do with the links reading problem.  If you are using the read to end command and you have the problem, then that isn't expected behavior.  If you are doing something else to cause NVDA to read, then we would have to know what that is and the behavior may be expected or not tested for.
 
To run NVDA without add ons, use the command insert q.  You can use either insert.  A dialog will come up.  choose run NVDA without add ons and activate the ok button or yes button or whatever the dialog provides.  NVDA will close and then run itself with no add ons.  You can close and restart NVDA to have it run normally with add ons again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Okay, I've been troubleshooting a little.

I haven't figured how to run NVDA without add-ons, so I should probably try
that also.

With the Code Factory add-on, it is reading a lot of the formatting of PDF's
and websites, which I think is the problem.

For instance, every time it gets to a bullet point, it will say the word "bullet".

Is there a way to stop this?  I think if I fix that it will fix the hyperlinks 
problem also.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 3, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Do you know how to run NVDA with no add ons?  Doing that would tell you if an add on is causing the problem.  If so, you can then disable one add on at a time until you find the one.  Are you using the standard read to end command, NVDA key down arrow or reading using some other procedure.  This is essential information in discussing the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I am using the Code Factory Vocalizer.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
>Sent: May 3, 2017 2:47 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors
>
>hi
>
>
>for the first question which synth package are you using?
>
>
>the second question is have a look under the document settings in nvda.
>Uncheck the box that say about report spelling errors.
>
>
>Gene nz
>
>
>
>On 3/05/2017 6:22 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> Whenever NVDA is reading anything on a web page and it encounters a hyperlink, it
>> stops reading.
>>
>> Is there a way for it to keep going, or to just read the text of the hyperlink itself?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that when it encounters proper nouns, it will often read out the
>> words "spelling error" when it reads the name.
>>
>> Is there a way to disable that?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
>material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
>are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>which locations or location is near to you please visit
>http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
>Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -
>
>
>



Question about reading a whole row with nvda in excel

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi guys


I do not use excel enough but a question has been asked about reading a
whole row at one time.


i thik i did see some body ask a question like this but did not see the
result.


is there such a command? or is there a ticket to do this?


The question is below from the person that asked me.


I’m wondering if you know of a command to get NVDA to read an entire row
in an excel worksheet? Seemingly, I can only get it to read the current
cell, but would like it to read at least all that is visible on the row
that I am on.


Thanks for any help.


Gene nz



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Re: Windows apps

 

Hi,

Despite repeated feedback, the current situation with Facebook app (inaccessible for keyboard users) is likely to persist for a while. Thank you for reminding me to use an app like this for my upcoming NVDACon presentation on universal apps.

Cheers,

Joseph (author of Windows 10 App Essentials, ObjPad, GoldWave add-ons and maintainer of SPL Studio and Resource Monitor add-ons)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hi

 

I do not know about the face book app but did a while ago did a tutorial on how to use the basics of the main face book website. the other one is quite easy to use that is for the mobile one.

 

There is a i think a written and or audio tutorial on the nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

 

You will need to jump down by headings to the ones about face book. then there will be a link just under the heading to them.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/05/2017 1:46 PM, Justin Harris wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for this info. Glad to know that I wasn't missing something. Like I said, a lot of these apps work much better in Narrator, but I don't want to have to learn a completely different screen reader. But glad to know I wasn't doing something wrong. Any experience with the Facebook app?

 

El 7/5/2017 a las 17:59, David Moore escribió:

Hi Justin,

You are not doing anything differently that I am doing. I use NVDA in the Windows apps as well, and it does take a lot of object navigation. An app is set up so differently, that the tab, arrow keys, and so on, will not work in most apps. The apps I use well with NVDAare:

The store app, which can be used by just tabbing. Also, Watch ESPN, which takes a little use of object navigation, you can mostly tab. The NEWS app works great with NVDA, but you have to use a lot of object navigation to read and access the articles. I use the mail, calendar, and people apps all of the time with NVDA. I am using the Mail app right now. Those three apps work by just tabbing, pretty much. I do not use object navigation in the mail app at all. I also use the Groove app with NVDA using about half of just tabbing, and half object navigation. One thing you need to know about apps, is that there are hardly any key commands that can get you around the app quickly. You are stuck with tabbing a lot. Once you figure how many times you have to tab to get somewhere, you can tab that many times very quickly. I hope that helps a little.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Justin Harris
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now

for quite some time, but just found out about this list.

I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.

Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I

have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with

mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but

most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For

example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite

well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that,

with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and

chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and

settings, were only available through object navigation.

So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives

recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you

all using?

I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I

particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that

Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a

keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am

familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set

of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much

only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage

of more of these Windows apps.

Thanks,

Justin

 

 

 

 

 

--
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Re: Scanning and Reading PDF files

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

I just hit the Start Scan on the Epson Printer, and
choose to scan to PDF.

It creates a PDF file, but the text is not yet readable
by NVDA.

I think I need an OCR program, but Adobe Reader doesn't
have any option like that unless you click CONVERT
and pay for it, I think.

I have some PDF files that NVDA can read without any problems,
but maybe they've been OCR'ed already.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io" <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: May 7, 2017 9:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files

Depends on what version of software you use to scan it.
You cant use acrobat reader to ocr it,
But if you get a standard version of acrobat it should do the ocr on it.
Let me know if you need anything else.
Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files

If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
program to extract the text?

NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
was scanned or prepared.

Does anyone know?








Re: Windows apps

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I do not know about the face book app but did a while ago did a tutorial on how to use the basics of the main face book website. the other one is quite easy to use that is for the mobile one.


There is a i think a written and or audio tutorial on the nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html


You will need to jump down by headings to the ones about face book. then there will be a link just under the heading to them.


Gene nz



On 8/05/2017 1:46 PM, Justin Harris wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for this info. Glad to know that I wasn't missing something. Like I said, a lot of these apps work much better in Narrator, but I don't want to have to learn a completely different screen reader. But glad to know I wasn't doing something wrong. Any experience with the Facebook app?


El 7/5/2017 a las 17:59, David Moore escribió:

Hi Justin,

You are not doing anything differently that I am doing. I use NVDA in the Windows apps as well, and it does take a lot of object navigation. An app is set up so differently, that the tab, arrow keys, and so on, will not work in most apps. The apps I use well with NVDAare:

The store app, which can be used by just tabbing. Also, Watch ESPN, which takes a little use of object navigation, you can mostly tab. The NEWS app works great with NVDA, but you have to use a lot of object navigation to read and access the articles. I use the mail, calendar, and people apps all of the time with NVDA. I am using the Mail app right now. Those three apps work by just tabbing, pretty much. I do not use object navigation in the mail app at all. I also use the Groove app with NVDA using about half of just tabbing, and half object navigation. One thing you need to know about apps, is that there are hardly any key commands that can get you around the app quickly. You are stuck with tabbing a lot. Once you figure how many times you have to tab to get somewhere, you can tab that many times very quickly. I hope that helps a little.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Justin Harris
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now

for quite some time, but just found out about this list.

I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.

Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I

have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with

mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but

most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For

example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite

well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that,

with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and

chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and

settings, were only available through object navigation.

So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives

recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you

all using?

I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I

particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that

Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a

keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am

familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set

of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much

only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage

of more of these Windows apps.

Thanks,

Justin

 

 

 



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


Re: Scanning and Reading PDF files

Richard Kuzma
 

Depends on what version of software you use to scan it.
You cant use acrobat reader to ocr it,
But if you get a standard version of acrobat it should do the ocr on it.
Let me know if you need anything else.
Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Scanning and Reading PDF files

If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
program to extract the text?

NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
was scanned or prepared.

Does anyone know?


Re: Windows apps

Andre Fisher
 

You can try the ObjPad add-on on the community site. It has a scan
mode that you can toggle to and get the best results. The News app
works quite well, Skype preview is very, very good.

On 5/7/17, Justin Harris <justin171185@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Thanks for this info. Glad to know that I wasn't missing something. Like
I said, a lot of these apps work much better in Narrator, but I don't
want to have to learn a completely different screen reader. But glad to
know I wasn't doing something wrong. Any experience with the Facebook app?


El 7/5/2017 a las 17:59, David Moore escribió:

Hi Justin,

You are not doing anything differently that I am doing. I use NVDA in
the Windows apps as well, and it does take a lot of object navigation.
An app is set up so differently, that the tab, arrow keys, and so on,
will not work in most apps. The apps I use well with NVDAare:

The store app, which can be used by just tabbing. Also, Watch ESPN,
which takes a little use of object navigation, you can mostly tab. The
NEWS app works great with NVDA, but you have to use a lot of object
navigation to read and access the articles. I use the mail, calendar,
and people apps all of the time with NVDA. I am using the Mail app
right now. Those three apps work by just tabbing, pretty much. I do
not use object navigation in the mail app at all. I also use the
Groove app with NVDA using about half of just tabbing, and half object
navigation. One thing you need to know about apps, is that there are
hardly any key commands that can get you around the app quickly. You
are stuck with tabbing a lot. Once you figure how many times you have
to tab to get somewhere, you can tab that many times very quickly. I
hope that helps a little.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Justin Harris <mailto:justin171185@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:45 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows apps

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now

for quite some time, but just found out about this list.

I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.

Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I

have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with

mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but

most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For

example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite

well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that,

with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and

chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and

settings, were only available through object navigation.

So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives

recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you

all using?

I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I

particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that

Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a

keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am

familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set

of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much

only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage

of more of these Windows apps.

Thanks,

Justin


Re: Windows apps

Justin Harris <justin171185@...>
 

Hello,

Thanks for this info. Glad to know that I wasn't missing something. Like I said, a lot of these apps work much better in Narrator, but I don't want to have to learn a completely different screen reader. But glad to know I wasn't doing something wrong. Any experience with the Facebook app?


El 7/5/2017 a las 17:59, David Moore escribió:

Hi Justin,

You are not doing anything differently that I am doing. I use NVDA in the Windows apps as well, and it does take a lot of object navigation. An app is set up so differently, that the tab, arrow keys, and so on, will not work in most apps. The apps I use well with NVDAare:

The store app, which can be used by just tabbing. Also, Watch ESPN, which takes a little use of object navigation, you can mostly tab. The NEWS app works great with NVDA, but you have to use a lot of object navigation to read and access the articles. I use the mail, calendar, and people apps all of the time with NVDA. I am using the Mail app right now. Those three apps work by just tabbing, pretty much. I do not use object navigation in the mail app at all. I also use the Groove app with NVDA using about half of just tabbing, and half object navigation. One thing you need to know about apps, is that there are hardly any key commands that can get you around the app quickly. You are stuck with tabbing a lot. Once you figure how many times you have to tab to get somewhere, you can tab that many times very quickly. I hope that helps a little.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Justin Harris
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now

for quite some time, but just found out about this list.

I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.

Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I

have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with

mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but

most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For

example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite

well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that,

with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and

chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and

settings, were only available through object navigation.

So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives

recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you

all using?

I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I

particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that

Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a

keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am

familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set

of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much

only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage

of more of these Windows apps.

Thanks,

Justin

 

 

 



Re: Windows apps

Justin Harris <justin171185@...>
 

Hi there, and thanks for the in depth response. That is interesting, as I have stumbled over your site a number of times when just googling different info. Like I said, it might be helpful to create an app directory that reviews apps for their accessibility.

El 7/5/2017 a las 18:35, Gene New Zealand escribió:
Hi Justin


it will depend on the app what you might be able to do.


Some work straight out of the box with tabbing to get to different parts
of it. Pressing the space bar to open certain sections.


which are buttons some times you have to use object navigation to get to
certain parts of the app.


in other parts you have to use the text review command.


the section you will need to sus out is 5.6 or around that area in the
user guide.


The sections that cover review text and object navigation. they would be
worth getting your head around and will let you get to stuff that you
can not get to with the normal focus some times.


I have just recorded a audio tutorial on the windows store and in the
process of writing up a written one that might help some who might want
to use the store.


But it uses the basics of tabing/ shift/tabing, object navigation and
text review.


I did not buy a app though.

The written part is still a rough draft and both will be posted to the
website of mine if you do not know it already.


if you do not know of it the website has both blindness related material
plus nvda tutorials both written and audio. it can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

the commands are for a desk top computer as that is what i use.


Gene nz



On 8/05/2017 8:32 AM, Justin Harris wrote:
Hello everyone,
I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now
for quite some time, but just found out about this list.
I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.
Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I
have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with
mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but
most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For
example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite
well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find
that, with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books
and chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and
settings, were only available through object navigation.
So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives
recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are
you all using?
I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I
particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things
that Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with
just a keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I
am familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole
set of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty
much only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take
advantage of more of these Windows apps.
Thanks,
Justin



Re: Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

I did a lot of experimenting with this, and got it to stop freezing in web documents.

The mistake I was making was using Down Arrow, instead of CTRL + Down Arrow.

Insert+Down Arrow will also successful read through the link.

However, it is saying "link" and "out of link" constantl when getting to the hyperlinks.

Perhaps there is a way to get it to not comment on HTML anchors and also bullet
points, etc?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 7, 2017 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I don't know of any way to stop such information from being read but it has nothing to do with the links reading problem.  If you are using the read to end command and you have the problem, then that isn't expected behavior.  If you are doing something else to cause NVDA to read, then we would have to know what that is and the behavior may be expected or not tested for.
 
To run NVDA without add ons, use the command insert q.  You can use either insert.  A dialog will come up.  choose run NVDA without add ons and activate the ok button or yes button or whatever the dialog provides.  NVDA will close and then run itself with no add ons.  You can close and restart NVDA to have it run normally with add ons again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Okay, I've been troubleshooting a little.

I haven't figured how to run NVDA without add-ons, so I should probably try
that also.

With the Code Factory add-on, it is reading a lot of the formatting of PDF's
and websites, which I think is the problem.

For instance, every time it gets to a bullet point, it will say the word "bullet".

Is there a way to stop this?  I think if I fix that it will fix the hyperlinks 
problem also.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 3, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Do you know how to run NVDA with no add ons?  Doing that would tell you if an add on is causing the problem.  If so, you can then disable one add on at a time until you find the one.  Are you using the standard read to end command, NVDA key down arrow or reading using some other procedure.  This is essential information in discussing the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I am using the Code Factory Vocalizer.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
>Sent: May 3, 2017 2:47 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors
>
>hi
>
>
>for the first question which synth package are you using?
>
>
>the second question is have a look under the document settings in nvda.
>Uncheck the box that say about report spelling errors.
>
>
>Gene nz
>
>
>
>On 3/05/2017 6:22 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> Whenever NVDA is reading anything on a web page and it encounters a hyperlink, it
>> stops reading.
>>
>> Is there a way for it to keep going, or to just read the text of the hyperlink itself?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that when it encounters proper nouns, it will often read out the
>> words "spelling error" when it reads the name.
>>
>> Is there a way to disable that?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
>material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
>are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>which locations or location is near to you please visit
>http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
>Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -
>
>
>



Re: Windows apps

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Justin


it will depend on the app what you might be able to do.


Some work straight out of the box with tabbing to get to different parts
of it. Pressing the space bar to open certain sections.


which are buttons some times you have to use object navigation to get to
certain parts of the app.


in other parts you have to use the text review command.


the section you will need to sus out is 5.6 or around that area in the
user guide.


The sections that cover review text and object navigation. they would be
worth getting your head around and will let you get to stuff that you
can not get to with the normal focus some times.


I have just recorded a audio tutorial on the windows store and in the
process of writing up a written one that might help some who might want
to use the store.


But it uses the basics of tabing/ shift/tabing, object navigation and
text review.


I did not buy a app though.

The written part is still a rough draft and both will be posted to the
website of mine if you do not know it already.


if you do not know of it the website has both blindness related material
plus nvda tutorials both written and audio. it can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

the commands are for a desk top computer as that is what i use.


Gene nz

On 8/05/2017 8:32 AM, Justin Harris wrote:
Hello everyone,
I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now
for quite some time, but just found out about this list.
I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.
Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I
have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with
mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but
most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For
example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite
well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find
that, with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books
and chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and
settings, were only available through object navigation.
So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives
recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are
you all using?
I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I
particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things
that Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with
just a keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I
am familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole
set of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty
much only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take
advantage of more of these Windows apps.
Thanks,
Justin


--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


Re: Windows apps

David Moore
 

Hi Justin,

You are not doing anything differently that I am doing. I use NVDA in the Windows apps as well, and it does take a lot of object navigation. An app is set up so differently, that the tab, arrow keys, and so on, will not work in most apps. The apps I use well with NVDAare:

The store app, which can be used by just tabbing. Also, Watch ESPN, which takes a little use of object navigation, you can mostly tab. The NEWS app works great with NVDA, but you have to use a lot of object navigation to read and access the articles. I use the mail, calendar, and people apps all of the time with NVDA. I am using the Mail app right now. Those three apps work by just tabbing, pretty much. I do not use object navigation in the mail app at all. I also use the Groove app with NVDA using about half of just tabbing, and half object navigation. One thing you need to know about apps, is that there are hardly any key commands that can get you around the app quickly. You are stuck with tabbing a lot. Once you figure how many times you have to tab to get somewhere, you can tab that many times very quickly. I hope that helps a little.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Justin Harris
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows apps

 

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now

for quite some time, but just found out about this list.

I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station.

Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I

have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with

mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but

most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For

example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite

well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that,

with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and

chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and

settings, were only available through object navigation.

So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives

recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you

all using?

I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I

particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that

Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a

keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am

familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set

of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much

only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage

of more of these Windows apps.

Thanks,

Justin

 

 

 


Scanning and Reading PDF files

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

If I scanned a book or magazine page into a PDF file
using a basic scanner, do I need a professional OCR
program to extract the text?

NVDA does seem to have its own decoding system for
PDF files, but I think it depends how the document
was scanned or prepared.

Does anyone know?


Windows apps

Justin Harris <justin171185@...>
 

Hello everyone,
I hope everyone is having a blessed day. I have been an NVDA user now for quite some time, but just found out about this list.
I currently have a desktop which I use to run my online radio station. Also I will be getting a laptop here pretty quick. On the desktop, I have played around a bit with apps from the Windows App Store, with mixed results. A lot of them can be used with object navigation, but most info can't be accessed in the tab order or with arrow keys. For example, the Weather Channel app. On other platforms it works quite well. But on Windows, it's a mess. However, I was pleased to find that, with the Bible app, I could navigate between the different books and chapters. However, other things such as the verse of the day and settings, were only available through object navigation.
So, my question is, is there a web page out there somewhere that gives recommendations of accessible apps? If not, which apps, if any, are you all using?
I have found that a lot of apps work quite well with Narrator. I particularly like their Browse mode. However, NVDA offers me things that Narrator doesn't, such as being able to change the voice with just a keystroke. Also, I have been using NVDA for long enough that I am familiar with it. I would prefer not to have to learn another whole set of key commands. Not a big deal for my desktop, as it is pretty much only for radio use, but with this laptop, I would like to take advantage of more of these Windows apps.
Thanks,
Justin


Re: Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Gene
 

I don't know of any way to stop such information from being read but it has nothing to do with the links reading problem.  If you are using the read to end command and you have the problem, then that isn't expected behavior.  If you are doing something else to cause NVDA to read, then we would have to know what that is and the behavior may be expected or not tested for.
 
To run NVDA without add ons, use the command insert q.  You can use either insert.  A dialog will come up.  choose run NVDA without add ons and activate the ok button or yes button or whatever the dialog provides.  NVDA will close and then run itself with no add ons.  You can close and restart NVDA to have it run normally with add ons again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Okay, I've been troubleshooting a little.

I haven't figured how to run NVDA without add-ons, so I should probably try
that also.

With the Code Factory add-on, it is reading a lot of the formatting of PDF's
and websites, which I think is the problem.

For instance, every time it gets to a bullet point, it will say the word "bullet".

Is there a way to stop this?  I think if I fix that it will fix the hyperlinks 
problem also.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 3, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Do you know how to run NVDA with no add ons?  Doing that would tell you if an add on is causing the problem.  If so, you can then disable one add on at a time until you find the one.  Are you using the standard read to end command, NVDA key down arrow or reading using some other procedure.  This is essential information in discussing the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I am using the Code Factory Vocalizer.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
>Sent: May 3, 2017 2:47 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors
>
>hi
>
>
>for the first question which synth package are you using?
>
>
>the second question is have a look under the document settings in nvda.
>Uncheck the box that say about report spelling errors.
>
>
>Gene nz
>
>
>
>On 3/05/2017 6:22 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> Whenever NVDA is reading anything on a web page and it encounters a hyperlink, it
>> stops reading.
>>
>> Is there a way for it to keep going, or to just read the text of the hyperlink itself?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that when it encounters proper nouns, it will often read out the
>> words "spelling error" when it reads the name.
>>
>> Is there a way to disable that?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
>material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
>are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>which locations or location is near to you please visit
>http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
>Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -
>
>
>



Re: Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Okay, I've been troubleshooting a little.

I haven't figured how to run NVDA without add-ons, so I should probably try
that also.

With the Code Factory add-on, it is reading a lot of the formatting of PDF's
and websites, which I think is the problem.

For instance, every time it gets to a bullet point, it will say the word "bullet".

Is there a way to stop this?  I think if I fix that it will fix the hyperlinks 
problem also.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 3, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

Do you know how to run NVDA with no add ons?  Doing that would tell you if an add on is causing the problem.  If so, you can then disable one add on at a time until you find the one.  Are you using the standard read to end command, NVDA key down arrow or reading using some other procedure.  This is essential information in discussing the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors

I am using the Code Factory Vocalizer.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
>Sent: May 3, 2017 2:47 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Hyperlinks and Spelling Errors
>
>hi
>
>
>for the first question which synth package are you using?
>
>
>the second question is have a look under the document settings in nvda.
>Uncheck the box that say about report spelling errors.
>
>
>Gene nz
>
>
>
>On 3/05/2017 6:22 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> Whenever NVDA is reading anything on a web page and it encounters a hyperlink, it
>> stops reading.
>>
>> Is there a way for it to keep going, or to just read the text of the hyperlink itself?
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that when it encounters proper nouns, it will often read out the
>> words "spelling error" when it reads the name.
>>
>> Is there a way to disable that?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
>material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
>are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
>copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
>which locations or location is near to you please visit
>http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
>Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -
>
>
>



Re: Problem reading links with NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well looking at that page here in firefox I see no problems at all. it works and sounds as it should using the keyboard. I'd imagine though that wobbling about the page with a mouse could produce some very weird results unless you truly can see the pointer accurately.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem reading links with NVDA


Well, if you are using the command I gave and are still having problems, I don't know why. You asked for a command to read from where you are, which is the command I gave. Try starting at the top of the page, using the keyboard command control home and using the read to end command. I don't know just how and to what extent you are using the mouse and doing so will help to determine if that is contributing at all to the problem. If you still have incorrect reading, try disconnecting the mouse if you are using a physical mouse that can be disconnected such as with a USB port. Then try the read to end command again. I don't think that will help with the problem at all, but it's another thing to try.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Stephen Costigan
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem reading links with NVDA


Hi Gene,


Thank you for the reply.

I am using the Say all command.

I have tried with screen layout both on and off and still the same problem.

This issue just happens in Firefox as i have just tried it in Internet
Explorer and NVDA reads out the full link.

I don't really use Internet Explorer as it is very slow.

Regards,

Stephen


On 07/05/2017 07:46, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


out of curosity how are you driving NVDA on this page.


one line at a time or are you using the say all command. for example
nvda key + down arrow key for desk top.


the second question is to is screen layout turned on? or is it off?


If it is on if i remember right it will put the text on one line and the
links on another.


I have mine turned off while in the browser use the nvda key + the letter V


You should hear then if it has been turned on or off. Just repeat it to
turn it off.


it can also be found under the browse mode settings in nvda, just
uncheck the box if you go that way.


Gene nz



On 7/05/2017 5:12 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

I hope that you can help me. I am having a problem with NVDA reading the
full description of links.

I have tried this with Narrator and there was no problem.

This issue occurs when the link is on two or more lines NVDA only reads
the first line.

Please see below web page as an example of what I mean.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22798/windows-10-narrator-get-started

I am using the latest update of NVDA and Windows 10.

Also is there a way to get NVDA to read text continuously as currently I
have to keep moving the mouse over each line to read out each line.


Thank you in advance of your help.

Regards,

Stephen


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Re: Problem reading links with NVDA

Gene
 

Well, if you are using the command I gave and are still having problems, I don't know why.  You asked for a command to read from where you are, which is the command I gave.  Try starting at the top of the page, using the keyboard command control home and using the read to end command.  I don't know just how and to what extent you are using the mouse and doing so will help to determine if that is contributing at all to the problem.  If you still have incorrect reading, try disconnecting the mouse if you are using a physical mouse that can be disconnected such as with a USB port. Then try the read to end command again.  I don't think that will help with the problem at all, but it's another thing to try. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem reading links with NVDA

Hi Gene,


Thank you for the reply.

I am using the Say all command.

I have tried with screen layout both on and off and still the same problem.

This issue just happens in Firefox as i have just tried it in Internet
Explorer and NVDA reads out the full link.

I don't really use Internet Explorer as it is very slow.

Regards,

Stephen


On 07/05/2017 07:46, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> hi
>
>
> out of curosity how are you driving NVDA on this page.
>
>
> one line at a time or are you using the say all command. for example
> nvda key + down arrow key for desk top.
>
>
> the second question is to is screen layout turned on? or is it off?
>
>
> If it is on if i remember right it will put the text on one line and the
> links on another.
>
>
> I have mine turned off while in the browser use the nvda key + the letter V
>
>
> You should hear then if it has been turned on or off. Just repeat it to
> turn it off.
>
>
> it can also be found under the browse mode settings in nvda, just
> uncheck the box if you go that way.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
> On 7/05/2017 5:12 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope that you can help me. I am having a problem with NVDA reading the
>> full description of links.
>>
>> I have tried this with Narrator and there was no problem.
>>
>> This issue occurs when the link is on two or more lines NVDA only reads
>> the first line.
>>
>> Please see below web page as an example of what I mean.
>>
>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22798/windows-10-narrator-get-started
>>
>> I am using the latest update of NVDA and Windows 10.
>>
>> Also is there a way to get NVDA to read text continuously as currently I
>> have to keep moving the mouse over each line to read out each line.
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance of your help.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
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>>
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