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Re: help via skype with nvda?

Pete <emac00@...>
 

nvda + keyboard 1 turns on input help and nvda + number pad 1 turns on object review.

On 3/30/2016 4:28 AM, Chris wrote:
try using nvda+1 that may help you :)
puts you into input help mode should explain what each key does

repeat nvda+1 to quit help

good luck


On 30/03/2016 07:27, Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi Hank,
Personally speaking, I might have been able to connect with you via
Skype but I am not exactly sure what I would share or explain to you.
However, as a general recommendation, I would suggest you to uncheck
the 'simple review mode' check box in NVDA's Review Cursor settings
dialog, as in my experience, it makes object navigation much more
meaningful.
Thanks.

On 3/30/16, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
the tutorials are perfictly fine and I listened and relistened to them
god only knows many times
but I am having trouble under standing how the intire thing works.
if any one can help me via skype it would be really really appreciated
am serius here.
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some
problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the
object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them
but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the
object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank







Re: help via skype with nvda?

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi Hank
What program are you trying to access using object nav?
Pete

On 3/30/2016 1:41 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:
the tutorials are perfictly fine and I listened and relistened to them god only knows many times
but I am having trouble under standing how the intire thing works.
if any one can help me via skype it would be really really appreciated
am serius here.
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank





Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  I could, for what reason? 
  I disabled shockwave flash and adobe plugins because of the lowed flash things that would come up on some pages.  I have google update always activate and google talk and google video ask to activate.  If I can't have access to it I don't want it running or activating. 
  Pete 
 

On 3/29/2016 8:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Could you open about:addons then go to the plugins tab, then switch the dropdowns for all the Google plugins to "Always Activate"?
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:50 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  Hi  every one 
 
  This might help:
 
10 Tricks To Master Google Hangouts Lifehacker Australia
 
  Pete 
 



Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Peter Beasley
 

Thanks for that. Now! have you any idea as to why the Adobe flash plugin crashes on the BBC website. The plugin is up-to-date and doesn’t crash on any other radio station site that I listen to which uses flash.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
That could be the same feature in Firefox that causes files to play if they are podcasts instead of offering you the download option but I'm not sure.  This may not help but in Firefox, if you right click the link, there is an item that says copy link location.  It will place the link in the clipboard.  Other browsers may have the same item though the wording may be different. 
If it is a direct link to the actual stream, you can try using it in Winamp.  Do you know the command in Winamp for open URL. It's shift l.
 
Gene
 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I know the site in question is using flash, but what I am refering to is where there is a link to an mp3 stream, rather than a download, it plays in the firefox player. I can’t recall in which version of firefox this changed, but everything that was not flash used to play in winamp which is my player of choice.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I'm not sure what you mean.  This is a Flash stream.  It isn't a Firefox player.  You aren't supposed to be able to select a player such as Winamp or some other stand alone player.  The Flash Player is intended by the site to be used.  Flash content is actually originally some other format and if you can find the original link, you may then be able to play it in another player such as Winamp because the original source is not Flash.  But I don't know how many sites you might find such a link for nor what the procedure is to find the original source link.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I went to the link in the original e-mail and using firefox 45.1 it seems to be ok. I wish someone could tell me how I can get audio files to play in my player of choice rather than the firefox player.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
Chrome won't load the page.  The following message results when I press the details button.  I may try testing the site again with a very recent version of Firefox.
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
The older version of Firefox I used was using Flash.  I'm not sure what the almost current version of Firefox would have used.  I may try the site with Chrome as well but I haven't yet.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 

A question for you. Were you using flash on that page, or their native html5 player? I"m not sure if there is a way, other than uninstalling flash, to get at the html5 player.

 

 


On 3/29/2016 12:07 PM, Gene wrote:
I tested the page in a recent version of firefox and for some reason, on the one test I did, the page didn't load properly.  When I tested it in a much older version of Firefox, the page loaded, a musicc stream played automatically, and I was able to read the stream without loosing my place.  I don't know if anything refreshed on the page.  But I read for perhaps a minute or one and one half minutes without problems.  The question is, why do people report different results.  The answer might be helpful in working on the problem.  Whatever the case, a feature for freezing the page, as has been suggested, might be useful.  Very few list members have commented on their experiences with specific pages that have been sent to the list by members.  It might be useful to have many responses from people testing these pages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
An example of a page that refeshes is www.jewishmusicstream.com. It's crazy.




On 3/29/2016 10:44 AM, Pete wrote:
>
>   I am not sure why and how either.  Some of the building supply
> stores do some thing similar just not as fast of a refresh.
>   Pete
>
>
> On 3/27/2016 7:24 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
>> That's exactly what I mean Pete. I'm not geek so I can't explain what
>> this is to the DEV's.
>>
>> On 3/27/2016 8:26 AM, Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>   I know this happens, I haven't come across it for some time now.
>>>   What you are talking about is
>>>   you will be reading a block of text and you will only get a few
>>> seconds to read it before the page refreshes and every thing goes
>>> wonky.
>>>   rite?
>>>   I think if we could all work on a consistent description of what
>>> exactly the problem is it would be easier for the dev people to nail
>>> it down.
>>>   Pete
>>>
>>> On 3/26/2016 4:43 PM, Mallard wrote:
>>>> Now then,
>>>>
>>>> The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs.
>>>> They call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else
>>>> that I can't remember now.
>>>>
>>>> I provided an example of a site
>>>>
>>>> www.esselungaacasa.it
>>>>
>>>> But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see
>>>> that particular area of the sit.
>>>> Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the
>>>> Accessible section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...
>>>>
>>>> Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom
>>>> Scientific's pm 40 3.70 braille display.
>>>> Ollie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
>>>>> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the
>>>>> Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
>>>>> www.rick.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
>>>>>> <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
>>>>>> <gsasner@...>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>     > Explorer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>>>>>>     deactivate
>>>>>>     this option anytime you came across such a site.
>>>>>>     In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>     press
>>>>>>     letter s again to set it free again.
>>>>>>     And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>>>>>>     deactivated,
>>>>>>     because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't
>>>>>> log
>>>>>>     in some
>>>>>>     site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>>>>>>     you came
>>>>>>     across such a site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yours sincerely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Arno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: Saving application settings

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi

I just looked I don't see a written one or can not find one. I thought I had written one and uploaded it a while back.

The audio one should get you up and running though. Tonight I wrote up how to do or how to make a configuration profile with NVDA. It is more on how to do it and is application triggered when you go into that application. For example microsoft word. It also covers deleting out that profile and is on what I use all of the time.

It needs tidying up but hopefully is basic enough to follow to make a configuration profile.
Just let me know if you are interested and I can send to you.
if i ca not find any reference to one on my website in a written format once tidied up it will be uploaded to my website.
It does not cover the say all part to trigger it or manual part.
 
Gene nz


On 30-Mar-16 5:56 PM, Afrim wrote:
I will definitely have a look at them

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 3:11 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

I do have a audio tutorial on my nvda audio tutorials page called How to create different configuration profiles using NVDA

I only covered using a application to trigger different profiles in NVDA

Joseph done one that covered more like say all and there was one other, that I forget, but the one I did would be more well used.
The link to this page is http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
It covers setting up 4 profiles. I can not remember if there is a written one also I would have to check.

Gene nz


On 28-Mar-16 1:49 AM, sarabrennan@... wrote:

Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?


Thanks


-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

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Re: help via skype with nvda?

Chris
 

try using nvda+1 that may help you :)
puts you into input help mode should explain what each key does

repeat nvda+1 to quit help

good luck

On 30/03/2016 07:27, Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi Hank,
Personally speaking, I might have been able to connect with you via
Skype but I am not exactly sure what I would share or explain to you.
However, as a general recommendation, I would suggest you to uncheck
the 'simple review mode' check box in NVDA's Review Cursor settings
dialog, as in my experience, it makes object navigation much more
meaningful.
Thanks.

On 3/30/16, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
the tutorials are perfictly fine and I listened and relistened to them
god only knows many times
but I am having trouble under standing how the intire thing works.
if any one can help me via skype it would be really really appreciated
am serius here.
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some
problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the
object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them
but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the
object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank





Re: help via skype with nvda?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Hank,
Personally speaking, I might have been able to connect with you via
Skype but I am not exactly sure what I would share or explain to you.
However, as a general recommendation, I would suggest you to uncheck
the 'simple review mode' check box in NVDA's Review Cursor settings
dialog, as in my experience, it makes object navigation much more
meaningful.
Thanks.

On 3/30/16, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
the tutorials are perfictly fine and I listened and relistened to them
god only knows many times
but I am having trouble under standing how the intire thing works.
if any one can help me via skype it would be really really appreciated
am serius here.
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some
problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the
object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them
but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the
object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank





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Re: help via skype with nvda?

 

the tutorials are perfictly fine and I listened and relistened to them god only knows many times
but I am having trouble under standing how the intire thing works.
if any one can help me via skype it would be really really appreciated
am serius here.
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank



Re: help via skype with nvda?

 

there is nothing wrong with them its getting my head around the hole concept of the object navigation.
its really hard to describe
hents why I am wanting help
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank



Re: Saving application settings

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

I will definitely have a look at them

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 3:11 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

I do have a audio tutorial on my nvda audio tutorials page called How to create different configuration profiles using NVDA

I only covered using a application to trigger different profiles in NVDA

Joseph done one that covered more like say all and there was one other, that I forget, but the one I did would be more well used.
The link to this page is http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
It covers setting up 4 profiles. I can not remember if there is a written one also I would have to check.

Gene nz


On 28-Mar-16 1:49 AM, sarabrennan@... wrote:

Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?


Thanks


-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: help via skype with nvda?

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank



Re: Saving application settings

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi

I do have a audio tutorial on my nvda audio tutorials page called How to create different configuration profiles using NVDA

I only covered using a application to trigger different profiles in NVDA

Joseph done one that covered more like say all and there was one other, that I forget, but the one I did would be more well used.
The link to this page is http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
It covers setting up 4 profiles. I can not remember if there is a written one also I would have to check.

Gene nz


On 28-Mar-16 1:49 AM, sarabrennan@... wrote:

Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?


Thanks


-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Could you open about:addons then go to the plugins tab, then switch the dropdowns for all the Google plugins to "Always Activate"?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:50 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  Hi  every one 
 
  This might help:
 
10 Tricks To Master Google Hangouts Lifehacker Australia
 
  Pete 
 


help via skype with nvda?

 

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank


Re: prevent pages from refreshing

David Moore
 

Hi,
I never can find the source link. The flash player takes over and I never have control over playing it on a media player on my computer! It doesn’t seem to make a difference which browser I use. Take care.
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
That could be the same feature in Firefox that causes files to play if they are podcasts instead of offering you the download option but I'm not sure.  This may not help but in Firefox, if you right click the link, there is an item that says copy link location.  It will place the link in the clipboard.  Other browsers may have the same item though the wording may be different. 
If it is a direct link to the actual stream, you can try using it in Winamp.  Do you know the command in Winamp for open URL. It's shift l.
 
Gene
 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I know the site in question is using flash, but what I am refering to is where there is a link to an mp3 stream, rather than a download, it plays in the firefox player. I can’t recall in which version of firefox this changed, but everything that was not flash used to play in winamp which is my player of choice.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I'm not sure what you mean.  This is a Flash stream.  It isn't a Firefox player.  You aren't supposed to be able to select a player such as Winamp or some other stand alone player.  The Flash Player is intended by the site to be used.  Flash content is actually originally some other format and if you can find the original link, you may then be able to play it in another player such as Winamp because the original source is not Flash.  But I don't know how many sites you might find such a link for nor what the procedure is to find the original source link.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I went to the link in the original e-mail and using firefox 45.1 it seems to be ok. I wish someone could tell me how I can get audio files to play in my player of choice rather than the firefox player.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
Chrome won't load the page.  The following message results when I press the details button.  I may try testing the site again with a very recent version of Firefox.
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
The older version of Firefox I used was using Flash.  I'm not sure what the almost current version of Firefox would have used.  I may try the site with Chrome as well but I haven't yet.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 

A question for you. Were you using flash on that page, or their native html5 player? I"m not sure if there is a way, other than uninstalling flash, to get at the html5 player.

 

 


On 3/29/2016 12:07 PM, Gene wrote:
I tested the page in a recent version of firefox and for some reason, on the one test I did, the page didn't load properly.  When I tested it in a much older version of Firefox, the page loaded, a musicc stream played automatically, and I was able to read the stream without loosing my place.  I don't know if anything refreshed on the page.  But I read for perhaps a minute or one and one half minutes without problems.  The question is, why do people report different results.  The answer might be helpful in working on the problem.  Whatever the case, a feature for freezing the page, as has been suggested, might be useful.  Very few list members have commented on their experiences with specific pages that have been sent to the list by members.  It might be useful to have many responses from people testing these pages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
An example of a page that refeshes is www.jewishmusicstream.com. It's crazy.




On 3/29/2016 10:44 AM, Pete wrote:
>
>   I am not sure why and how either.  Some of the building supply
> stores do some thing similar just not as fast of a refresh.
>   Pete
>
>
> On 3/27/2016 7:24 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
>> That's exactly what I mean Pete. I'm not geek so I can't explain what
>> this is to the DEV's.
>>
>> On 3/27/2016 8:26 AM, Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>   I know this happens, I haven't come across it for some time now.
>>>   What you are talking about is
>>>   you will be reading a block of text and you will only get a few
>>> seconds to read it before the page refreshes and every thing goes
>>> wonky.
>>>   rite?
>>>   I think if we could all work on a consistent description of what
>>> exactly the problem is it would be easier for the dev people to nail
>>> it down.
>>>   Pete
>>>
>>> On 3/26/2016 4:43 PM, Mallard wrote:
>>>> Now then,
>>>>
>>>> The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs.
>>>> They call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else
>>>> that I can't remember now.
>>>>
>>>> I provided an example of a site
>>>>
>>>> www.esselungaacasa.it
>>>>
>>>> But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see
>>>> that particular area of the sit.
>>>> Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the
>>>> Accessible section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...
>>>>
>>>> Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom
>>>> Scientific's pm 40 3.70 braille display.
>>>> Ollie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
>>>>> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the
>>>>> Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
>>>>> www.rick.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
>>>>>> <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
>>>>>> <gsasner@...>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>     > Explorer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>>>>>>     deactivate
>>>>>>     this option anytime you came across such a site.
>>>>>>     In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>     press
>>>>>>     letter s again to set it free again.
>>>>>>     And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>>>>>>     deactivated,
>>>>>>     because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't
>>>>>> log
>>>>>>     in some
>>>>>>     site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>>>>>>     you came
>>>>>>     across such a site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yours sincerely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Arno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 

I'm not sure if this message reached the list.  Here it is again.
 
Gene

That could be the same feature in Firefox that causes files to play if they are podcasts instead of offering you the download option but I'm not sure.  This may not help but in Firefox, if you right click the link, there is an item that says copy link location.  It will place the link in the clipboard.  Other browsers may have the same item though the wording may be different. 
If it is a direct link to the actual stream, you can try using it in Winamp.  Do you know the command in Winamp for open URL. It's shift l.
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

I know the site in question is using flash, but what I am refering to is where there is a link to an mp3 stream, rather than a download, it plays in the firefox player. I can’t recall in which version of firefox this changed, but everything that was not flash used to play in winamp which is my player of choice.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I'm not sure what you mean.  This is a Flash stream.  It isn't a Firefox player.  You aren't supposed to be able to select a player such as Winamp or some other stand alone player.  The Flash Player is intended by the site to be used.  Flash content is actually originally some other format and if you can find the original link, you may then be able to play it in another player such as Winamp because the original source is not Flash.  But I don't know how many sites you might find such a link for nor what the procedure is to find the original source link.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I went to the link in the original e-mail and using firefox 45.1 it seems to be ok. I wish someone could tell me how I can get audio files to play in my player of choice rather than the firefox player.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
Chrome won't load the page.  The following message results when I press the details button.  I may try testing the site again with a very recent version of Firefox.
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
The older version of Firefox I used was using Flash.  I'm not sure what the almost current version of Firefox would have used.  I may try the site with Chrome as well but I haven't yet.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 

A question for you. Were you using flash on that page, or their native html5 player? I"m not sure if there is a way, other than uninstalling flash, to get at the html5 player.

 

 


On 3/29/2016 12:07 PM, Gene wrote:
I tested the page in a recent version of firefox and for some reason, on the one test I did, the page didn't load properly.  When I tested it in a much older version of Firefox, the page loaded, a musicc stream played automatically, and I was able to read the stream without loosing my place.  I don't know if anything refreshed on the page.  But I read for perhaps a minute or one and one half minutes without problems.  The question is, why do people report different results.  The answer might be helpful in working on the problem.  Whatever the case, a feature for freezing the page, as has been suggested, might be useful.  Very few list members have commented on their experiences with specific pages that have been sent to the list by members.  It might be useful to have many responses from people testing these pages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
An example of a page that refeshes is www.jewishmusicstream.com. It's crazy.




On 3/29/2016 10:44 AM, Pete wrote:
>
>   I am not sure why and how either.  Some of the building supply
> stores do some thing similar just not as fast of a refresh.
>   Pete
>
>
> On 3/27/2016 7:24 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
>> That's exactly what I mean Pete. I'm not geek so I can't explain what
>> this is to the DEV's.
>>
>> On 3/27/2016 8:26 AM, Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>   I know this happens, I haven't come across it for some time now.
>>>   What you are talking about is
>>>   you will be reading a block of text and you will only get a few
>>> seconds to read it before the page refreshes and every thing goes
>>> wonky.
>>>   rite?
>>>   I think if we could all work on a consistent description of what
>>> exactly the problem is it would be easier for the dev people to nail
>>> it down.
>>>   Pete
>>>
>>> On 3/26/2016 4:43 PM, Mallard wrote:
>>>> Now then,
>>>>
>>>> The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs.
>>>> They call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else
>>>> that I can't remember now.
>>>>
>>>> I provided an example of a site
>>>>
>>>> www.esselungaacasa.it
>>>>
>>>> But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see
>>>> that particular area of the sit.
>>>> Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the
>>>> Accessible section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...
>>>>
>>>> Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom
>>>> Scientific's pm 40 3.70 braille display.
>>>> Ollie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
>>>>> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the
>>>>> Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
>>>>> www.rick.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
>>>>>> <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
>>>>>> <gsasner@...>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>     > Explorer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>>>>>>     deactivate
>>>>>>     this option anytime you came across such a site.
>>>>>>     In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>     press
>>>>>>     letter s again to set it free again.
>>>>>>     And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>>>>>>     deactivated,
>>>>>>     because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't
>>>>>> log
>>>>>>     in some
>>>>>>     site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>>>>>>     you came
>>>>>>     across such a site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yours sincerely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Arno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Gene
 

That could be the same feature in Firefox that causes files to play if they are podcasts instead of offering you the download option but I'm not sure.  This may not help but in Firefox, if you right click the link, there is an item that says copy link location.  It will place the link in the clipboard.  Other browsers may have the same item though the wording may be different. 
If it is a direct link to the actual stream, you can try using it in Winamp.  Do you know the command in Winamp for open URL. It's shift l.
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing

I know the site in question is using flash, but what I am refering to is where there is a link to an mp3 stream, rather than a download, it plays in the firefox player. I can’t recall in which version of firefox this changed, but everything that was not flash used to play in winamp which is my player of choice.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I'm not sure what you mean.  This is a Flash stream.  It isn't a Firefox player.  You aren't supposed to be able to select a player such as Winamp or some other stand alone player.  The Flash Player is intended by the site to be used.  Flash content is actually originally some other format and if you can find the original link, you may then be able to play it in another player such as Winamp because the original source is not Flash.  But I don't know how many sites you might find such a link for nor what the procedure is to find the original source link.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
I went to the link in the original e-mail and using firefox 45.1 it seems to be ok. I wish someone could tell me how I can get audio files to play in my player of choice rather than the firefox player.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
Chrome won't load the page.  The following message results when I press the details button.  I may try testing the site again with a very recent version of Firefox.
The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
The older version of Firefox I used was using Flash.  I'm not sure what the almost current version of Firefox would have used.  I may try the site with Chrome as well but I haven't yet.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 

A question for you. Were you using flash on that page, or their native html5 player? I"m not sure if there is a way, other than uninstalling flash, to get at the html5 player.

 

 


On 3/29/2016 12:07 PM, Gene wrote:
I tested the page in a recent version of firefox and for some reason, on the one test I did, the page didn't load properly.  When I tested it in a much older version of Firefox, the page loaded, a musicc stream played automatically, and I was able to read the stream without loosing my place.  I don't know if anything refreshed on the page.  But I read for perhaps a minute or one and one half minutes without problems.  The question is, why do people report different results.  The answer might be helpful in working on the problem.  Whatever the case, a feature for freezing the page, as has been suggested, might be useful.  Very few list members have commented on their experiences with specific pages that have been sent to the list by members.  It might be useful to have many responses from people testing these pages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing
 
An example of a page that refeshes is www.jewishmusicstream.com. It's crazy.




On 3/29/2016 10:44 AM, Pete wrote:
>
>   I am not sure why and how either.  Some of the building supply
> stores do some thing similar just not as fast of a refresh.
>   Pete
>
>
> On 3/27/2016 7:24 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
>> That's exactly what I mean Pete. I'm not geek so I can't explain what
>> this is to the DEV's.
>>
>> On 3/27/2016 8:26 AM, Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>   I know this happens, I haven't come across it for some time now.
>>>   What you are talking about is
>>>   you will be reading a block of text and you will only get a few
>>> seconds to read it before the page refreshes and every thing goes
>>> wonky.
>>>   rite?
>>>   I think if we could all work on a consistent description of what
>>> exactly the problem is it would be easier for the dev people to nail
>>> it down.
>>>   Pete
>>>
>>> On 3/26/2016 4:43 PM, Mallard wrote:
>>>> Now then,
>>>>
>>>> The issue exists, because there are forums discussing it for devs.
>>>> They call the thing "Carousels" or "slideshows", or something else
>>>> that I can't remember now.
>>>>
>>>> I provided an example of a site
>>>>
>>>> www.esselungaacasa.it
>>>>
>>>> But I'm afraid you ahve to log in with username and password to see
>>>> that particular area of the sit.
>>>> Actually, "that particular area" is supposed to be in the
>>>> Accessible section of the site, and it's the whole Supermarket area...
>>>>
>>>> Firefox 45.0.1, Latest NvDA Next Snapshot, Espeak, Freedom
>>>> Scientific's pm 40 3.70 braille display.
>>>> Ollie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il 26/03/2016 20:36, Lino Morales ha scritto:
>>>>> Kevin here is one. If any of you are fans of Rick Dees and the
>>>>> Weekly Top 40 his site refreshes a lot.
>>>>> www.rick.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/26/2016 3:34 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>>> Can someone please provide examples of thes type of sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:30 PM Arno Schuh
>>>>>> <arno.schuh@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Am Samstag, 26. März 2016 17:40 schrieb Gene
>>>>>> <gsasner@...>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > Are you referring to the setting concerning metarefresh in
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>     > Explorer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     That's the option. But it is pretty cumbersome to activate and
>>>>>>     deactivate
>>>>>>     this option anytime you came across such a site.
>>>>>>     In Cobra you simply press letter s to freeze the site, and
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>     press
>>>>>>     letter s again to set it free again.
>>>>>>     And of course it is no solution to keep the metarefresh option
>>>>>>     deactivated,
>>>>>>     because if so some sites don't work properly; i. e. you can't
>>>>>> log
>>>>>>     in some
>>>>>>     site, can't select list items in a list etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So a simple feature like in Cobra would be pretty helpful when
>>>>>>     you came
>>>>>>     across such a site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yours sincerely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Arno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: How to subscribe to the NVDA list

 

Hi,
Yes.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona [mailto:hank.smith966@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:01 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to subscribe to the NVDA list

am I subscribed to the groups.io address?


On 3/29/2016 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nvda+subscribe@groups.io.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:radio1975@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:54 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to subscribe to the NVDA list

Hi,
Could somebody give me the address to subscribe to this list? It's for a friend and I want to make sure I give him the correct e-mail address.


David








Re: How to subscribe to the NVDA list

 

am I subscribed to the groups.io address?

On 3/29/2016 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nvda+subscribe@groups.io.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:radio1975@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:54 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to subscribe to the NVDA list

Hi,
Could somebody give me the address to subscribe to this list? It's for a friend and I want to make sure I give him the correct e-mail address.


David







Re: How to subscribe to the NVDA list

 

Hi,
Nvda+subscribe@groups.io.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:radio1975@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:54 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to subscribe to the NVDA list

Hi,
Could somebody give me the address to subscribe to this list? It's for a friend and I want to make sure I give him the correct e-mail address.


David