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Re: nvda compatible firewall?

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 07:39 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:
over sensitive security software

I have, over time, found this to be a far bigger PITA than something being "not aggressive enough" in the opinions of some.

Most of the security software I've uninstalled over the years, some of which I had used faithfully for long periods of time, was the result of it becoming so hypervigilant that the stream of false positives was more than I, or a given client, was willing to deal with.

I prefer "set it and forget it" that protects from the vast majority of real threats but might, and only might, let a rare new threat get through to something far more aggressive but that keeps identifying as threats things that simply are not.
--
Brian

 

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: nvda compatible firewall?

 

I used both of these and to some extent zone alarm, every request was logged, every ip, you allow something through internally, another ip change, allow more things through.

Eventually the requests got so many I was just killing the program.

It and some of these zone alarm etc generated so much junk files I had to clear them all the time and the systems I used slowed down .

On 12/05/2017 12:38 p.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
heh, I used to use tiny personal firewall as well. I haven't tried it lately, and it's likely it wouldn't work anyhow, but it was free, and free is good, especially considering how well it worked.



On 5/11/2017 5:25 PM, Pete wrote:

Hi Erik
I used to use one called tiny personal also another one was kerio personal both were usable with nvda.
Pete




Re: nvda compatible firewall?

 

Which is one of my fears right there with accessability to security apps.

Ms stuff has not dropped off, and while you could say there is nothing stopping microsoft from dropping access, my fear is I update to something really cool and suddenly it becomes uncool really fast.

On 12/05/2017 3:56 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
I actually really liked eset products years ago when window-eyes was still a thing. Unfortunately accessibility of their tools has plunged into the abis.

Best,

Erik

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On May 11, 2017 9:45:40 AM "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:

Hi Eric:

Have you tried Nod32?

Kebvin Huber

On 5/11/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and Group,


I thought that there had been significant improvements for Windows 10
and Microsoft Security products: Windows Defender and Windows Firewall.
In fact as concerns Windows Firewall, I had heard on the Kim Komando
show that beginning with Windows 7 that the firewall now works for both
incoming and outgoing traffic. As far as defender, that's another
matter, but i have seen postings on this list that at least by the time
of Windows 10 that it was decent enough for routine usage.



On 5/10/2017 4:26 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Oh, I totally get the resistance to using windows security products.
I'm glad you and yours have had no problems but microsoft firewall and
antivirus are completely transparent and volnerable. Do your
homework. Look at third party testing reports and you will see that
they don't stack up. Unfortunately that's also been my personal and
professional experience over the years. I can't stop you from relying
on microsoft, but I have to scratch my own head.

Thanks for chiming in, but this isn't quite what I'm looking for.

Best,

Erik

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On May 10, 2017 3:51:19 PM "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy> wrote:

I don't quite get the resistance to using the built in Windows
Firewall and Windows Defender. Both have improved significantly over
the years.

That's what I've been using on my own, and my clients', Windows 10
systems without issue.
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in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
tempting moment./*

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"





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Re: nvda compatible firewall?

 

If you want a server box, I am sorry to say eric but you may be better using linux, grml or something and a command line shell with espeakup or something.

I havn't had that but even so.

Failing that, I guess if you are happy to get a subscription the eset smart suite, etc.

But if you want a cloud box, unless you are happy to use ms cloud, google and dropbox and whatever with access to major windows services, etc as your cloud well its your issue.

To be honest though, you can still be prebuilt.

sonar gnu linux based on mandriver, mandrake and arch is prebuilt and you only need a single cd image, once loaded it can be easily updated and you should be able to keep it active without to much work.

If you want a cloud net server or something, windows is probably not what you want unless you use xp or something.

The issue is that microsoft is bolting most of its services onto windows which is fine for a user but probably not for a server admin or something unless you used windows server and payed for it.

But if I was using linux as a cloud I'd use sonar gnu which is prebuilt.

If you want no actual desktop then something like vinux which is older is fine, grml is a no frills debian system, and basic talking arch is fine to.

There are mate xfce lxde, kde gnome of various types the list goes on.

Its your decision ofcause but if an online server is what you want, unless you want windows server then I wouldn't use windows.

If you did use windows, as long as it was updated and as long as you kept everything else updated then fine.

On 12/05/2017 3:52 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi Shaun,

I'm purposing this box as a cloud server. I guess it doesn't strictly require windows. I could reformat and go ubuntoo. That would be substantial work to set up the way I want, but would have better remote support built in.

Windows 10 however, being preconfigured, modern, and offering everything I need except for security which I'll be bolting on. I think I can also find some command line ssh tools so I can do some tasks from my phone when away from computer, but that's extra.

Best,

Erik

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On May 10, 2017 5:15:57 PM "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss> wrote:

What are you going to use this box for?

What spaciffic use will you need the box for.

Is it online or not.

If its not online I'd buy a coppy from ebay of windows 7 or xp and just
use it like that.

Or get a little linux distro, with vmware player and just vm the entire
thing with windows 10 or something.

Windows 10 is not hell it can be a bit crazy at times but well should
work well enough.




On 11/05/2017 4:07 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi all, I just received a little tiny computer a la windows 10. I
have one very specific purpose for this little PC and it requires
windows, but I really don't want the hell that comes along with windows.

My first idea was to see if I could find or build an ultra-lite
windows 10 without cortana, and a whole raft of the other services I
never have any intention of using. So much work.

Now I'm thinking just get an ultra-secure software firewall, slap it
on and call it done. That and a malware bytes just in case.

I used to use look'n'stop. It hasn't been updated in a while. I'd
like to find a modern nvda accessible security equivilant package for
the cost of look'n'stop or less.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Best,

Erik

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Re: nvda compatible firewall?

 

My issue is not just accessibility, I have had over inteligent and over sensitive security software.

Without going into much more, lets just say I had a bad time for several years till I got msse.

It may lack a lot, but bar some false alarms the fact I don't have to check the system loads, deal with loads of errors 99.999999999999999% of the time are false or mean nothing, etc really means I have more time to handle things.

If I could control my software to an extent without being dictated to, controled, have my system or systems trashed, and other such things I think I'd be more ready to accept different solutions.

My other issue is that if I switch to x y and z I need x y and z to continue to work through whatever upgrades and stuff it should without x deciding to not work, and y and z to just mangle things and suddenly I am not defending my computers against hackers, I am rebuilding my computers because of the smart security software being so smart that all the time I have in my daily life or at least half of it is being used to make sure the software behaves and doesn't decide to either go on strike, get a wish to play about with my windows or make me wish I got hacked in stead.

It started with mcaffee, then avira, then norton, then avg.

And suddenly I decided I had enough.

Along came msse.

And msse works.

Now msse doesn't so much but I remember my past trials, and you know what, half of me is scared of what I will get.

ANd most of me doesn't want the drama I had before having to look over my sholder as it were.

I have had enough of over smart software, I do want to be secure but I want my software to realise that I am not a computer, I have a life and I'd really like to live it thank you vary much.

Its the crux of my issue.

Granted I may have had a hard time but surely I'm not alone.

On 12/05/2017 2:58 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
All I can say to people who spout the ancient line, "Microsoft's firewall and antivirus are {insert your favorite pejorative here}!," is, "Do keep up, because it's obvious you haven't."

If you want to spend time, effort, and money to buy a third party product then have at it. But don't have the temerity to criticize the informed who can tell you that calling Windows Defender and Windows Firewall under Windows 10 "inadequate" is inaccurate. The perfect is the enemy of the good, and there is no perfect security suite, antivirus, or firewall product no matter who makes it.

If accessibility is important, and it has been stated it is, then it's very hard to beat the combination of protection and accessibility offered by Microsoft's built-in solutions.
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* * *The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.*

* ~ Dorothy Nevill*


Re: nvda compatible firewall?

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 06:58 am, Gene wrote:
And, although I don't know if Windows Defender is good enough for general use in Windows 10, it has improved recently, according to what I've read. 

The advanced settings for Windows 10 Firewall include inbound rules, outbound rules, and connection security rules that can be set independently for private networks, public networks, and domains.  Notification can be set at any or all of these levels of protection.

It's an entirely different animal from its early iterations.
--
Brian

 

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: Windows 10 S

 

hmmm twit tv?

I never mentioned twit tv.

digitaldarragh.com/blog

thats the site.

If you get issues by typing twittv.com then you are mistyping things because you type to fast like I do or something screws up.

Twitter and soundcloud seem to have random non connection issues for the last 2 days.

On 12/05/2017 2:00 a.m., Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Shaun:

When I tried the link https://twittv.com, I got the message that the
website was insecure. I tried it on both Firefox and Internet
Explorer.

Kevin Huber


On 5/10/17, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
www if all of you check out www.digitaldarragh.com there is a post there
on windows 10 s and what it means to the education industry from a
service tech.

So for certain things ie schools and universities it means a lot
especially in the student environment where viruses and stuff brought in
on flash drives and the like are rampent.

For us users, I'd avoid windows 10 s unless ofcause I was doing it for
school or something.

I certainly wouldn't buy a laptop on that.

Its for lower end units, chances are if you wanted a serious unit and
were not at school if you got the entry level business units which is
where I am hitting at or business units then this will not be a problem
at all.

And even if you get an s system, chances are you can upgrade it in store
for extra stuff 50 us is not to bad for upgrade from a school unit if it
is a school unit and previding you don't need to hand it back.

However there is probably no chance a user could actually ever set up an
s system anyway.

Schools need to be registered to even set this up with a pro box first off.

Next even if you got that sort of box yourself well we will have to see.

I could see myself with an s tablet maybe for studdies etc who knows.




On 11/05/2017 12:55 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
According to Paul Thurrott at thurrott.com and Mary Joe Foley at
allaboutmicrosoft.com, if you buy a windows 10 s ;device before
January 1 2018, you can upgrade it to windows 10 pro free of charge.
After that date, you can still upgrade to pro but it will cost you $50
u.s.
Windows 10 s will not run native win32 apps. The only apps it runs
are the ones in the Microsoft app store. This means that things like
Chrome and I- tunes will not run. Also, MS Edge is the default
browser and that setting cannot be changed. Bing is the default
search engine and that setting cannot be changed either.

For more information on this topic check out last week's Windows
Weekly podcast at https://twittv.com.

George

-----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 S

I gather Microsoft are trying to do a google and making an operating
system
that sits mainly online like the Chrome books do, but using their office
suite.
At the moment my only reason for mentioning it here is that as far as I
know, the only screenreader that can work on such a device will be
Narrator,
and as a heads up if anyone sees these machines about and assumes that if
its windows it must work with nvda.
I have no idea when they will be available and thus far I've only herd
about them from two sources.
So watch out.
Brian

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Re: Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Gene
 

It's hard to believe because it's very inefficient.  You may hear twenty or thirty links and controls before the text actually begins.  With all the ways of using quick navigation. move by headings, skip blocks of links, using the search command, it is extremely inefficient to just let pages read. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Why is it hard to believe that I find it more efficient to read the entire web page than to waste time hunting for information that is on the screen somewhere I don't know where it is on the page? Yes, most of the time, I let it read from the top, until it gets to the content I want.  It's faster (I run the speech as fast as it will go), and all I need to do when I get hwere I want to be is to press the shift or control key depending on whether I want to resume again or not. 

On the other hand, I spend a lot of time reading, so allowing the page to autoload and read from top to bottom is exactly what's wanted, since that way I don't need to do anything to hear the text of the book.  It's the most efficient way of doing things (for me).  It only takes a few seconds to get past the header information (in most cases) and the other content I want is usually near the top of the page, though admittedly, if it's a site like paypal or shopgoodwill, I don't bother with the read to end, because there's no need for it, I just press pagedown the required number of times to get near the main content (or the area I want) and then use the arrows from there to get where I want to go.  I rarely have the need to navigate by headers or tables, or anything else, because after I've been on a site a few times, I'm already familiar with where things are, and if it's close to the top, it's faster to just let it read.


On 5/11/2017 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
The only reason automatic reading of the sort you describe occurs is because in some instances, NVDA automatically uses read to end when something opens.  You are using read to end in all of the examples you discuss.  But are you saying you let web pages read, link after link and whatever else is at the top of pages before articles begin?  It's hard to believe.  If not when you move to what you want to read, how do you read?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 


On 5/11/2017 6:26 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Why is it hard to believe that I find it more efficient to read the entire web page than to waste time hunting for information that is on the screen somewhere I don't know where it is on the page? Yes, most of the time, I let it read from the top, until it gets to the content I want.  It's faster (I run the speech as fast as it will go), and all I need to do when I get hwere I want to be is to press the shift or control key depending on whether I want to resume again or not. 

On the other hand, I spend a lot of time reading, so allowing the page to autoload and read from top to bottom is exactly what's wanted, since that way I don't need to do anything to hear the text of the book.  It's the most efficient way of doing things (for me).  It only takes a few seconds to get past the header information (in most cases) and the other content I want is usually near the top of the page, though admittedly, if it's a site like paypal or shopgoodwill, I don't bother with the read to end, because there's no need for it, I just press pagedown the required number of times to get near the main content (or the area I want) and then use the arrows from there to get where I want to go.  I rarely have the need to navigate by headers or tables, or anything else, because after I've been on a site a few times, I'm already familiar with where things are, and if it's close to the top, it's faster to just let it read.


On 5/11/2017 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
The only reason automatic reading of the sort you describe occurs is because in some instances, NVDA automatically uses read to end when something opens.  You are using read to end in all of the examples you discuss.  But are you saying you let web pages read, link after link and whatever else is at the top of pages before articles begin?  It's hard to believe.  If not when you move to what you want to read, how do you read?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 


On 5/11/2017 6:26 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




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Re: NVDA URGENT PROBLEM

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,


I can duplicate the issue with Excel. NVDA is ultra sluggish in Excel. I type a value into a cell and then hit enter or the right arrow and NVDA appears to lock up. There is no speech. I have to wait 2 to 3 minutes for speech to be restored. I can then type another value and then the process repeats. I was able to navigate the back stage view without problems. I am using Windows version 1703 (OS Build 15063.296)

 

I am running office 2016 and have the office 365 subscription.

 

Pranav


Looking for an old modle of braille display, anny help?

Fernando Apan
 

Hi all,

I have a braille embosser that still works with windows Xp, and I'm trying to buy a used braille display in good conditions, 40 characters and LPT or USB port only, to work with my XP machine revising and editing braille music.

If anyone knows about someone trying to sell a braille display with this features I'll deeply appreciate your help.

If you have any advise or suggestions please contact me at:

ferapan@...

Respectfully,


Fernando Apan.


Re: AVAST

Gene
 

The description says nothing about filling out a captcha but you have to be in Safe Mode to run the uninstaller. 
 
There is a way to get NVDA to run and speak in Safe Mode but others will have to discuss that further. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] AVAST

check out this link for a free Avast removal tool
https://www.avast.com/uninstall-utility

On 5/11/2017 7:24 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:
>
> Can not uninstall AVAST. Went to control and prgramprogram and features
> did uninstall but did not remove it. Went to setting, app and tab to
> select AVAST tab to uninstall. Still there. Help.
> Holger Fiallo
>



Re: Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Gene
 

The only reason automatic reading of the sort you describe occurs is because in some instances, NVDA automatically uses read to end when something opens.  You are using read to end in all of the examples you discuss.  But are you saying you let web pages read, link after link and whatever else is at the top of pages before articles begin?  It's hard to believe.  If not when you move to what you want to read, how do you read?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 


On 5/11/2017 6:26 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




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Re: AVAST

Gene
 

I suspect you need sighted help to run the tool.  I haven't checked but these sorts of tools usually have some protection so that malware can't develop ways to take advantage of them.  You may find a captcha when you work with the tool.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] AVAST

check out this link for a free Avast removal tool
https://www.avast.com/uninstall-utility

On 5/11/2017 7:24 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:
>
> Can not uninstall AVAST. Went to control and prgramprogram and features
> did uninstall but did not remove it. Went to setting, app and tab to
> select AVAST tab to uninstall. Still there. Help.
> Holger Fiallo
>



Re: AVAST

Gene
 

When you toled Windows to uninstall Avast, what happened?  did anything come up or did nothing happen?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] AVAST

 

Can not uninstall AVAST. Went to control and prgramprogram and features did uninstall but did not remove it. Went to setting, app and tab to select AVAST tab to uninstall. Still there. Help.
Holger Fiallo


Re: Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 


On 5/11/2017 6:26 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




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Re: nvda compatible firewall?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

heh, I used to use tiny personal firewall as well.  I haven't tried it lately, and it's likely it wouldn't work anyhow, but it was free, and free is good, especially considering how well it worked.



On 5/11/2017 5:25 PM, Pete wrote:
 
  Hi  Erik
  I used to use one called tiny personal also another one was kerio personal  both were usable with nvda. 
  Pete 



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Re: AVAST

Don H
 

check out this link for a free Avast removal tool
https://www.avast.com/uninstall-utility

On 5/11/2017 7:24 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:
Can not uninstall AVAST. Went to control and prgramprogram and features did uninstall but did not remove it. Went to setting, app and tab to select AVAST tab to uninstall. Still there. Help.
Holger Fiallo


Re: start menu and programs

Quentin Christensen
 

Note if you press CONTROL+SHIFT+ESCAPE and can't control+tab between panes, press alt+d to access "more details". (the same shortcut then becomes "fewer details" to get back to the original minimal view).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Hello!

If you open MSConfig and make Control+Tab untill StartUp, you will find a link to open Task Manager...
So, I gave the direct way...

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Gene
Data: 12 de maio de 2017 00:14

Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] start menu and programs


Are you saying there are two ways to control what runs at boot up, MSConfig and Task Manager, or are you saying that MSConfigt no longer can be used to control what runs?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] start menu and programs

MSConfig still exists...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Arlene
Data: 12 de maio de 2017 00:09
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] start menu and programs

Oh yeah? that's different! That is good to know. In ten there's no msconfig.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: May-11-17 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] start menu and programs

Hello!

In Windows 10 is not in MSConfig...

Press Control+shift+Escape.
Press Control+Tab untill Start.

Rui

-----Mensagem Original----- De: Gene
Data: 11 de maio de 2017 23:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] start menu and programs


   I don't see any connection.  As far as I know, what is being asked about

is MSConfig.  I don't have Windows 10 so I won't explain the dialog as it is

in earlier versions.  I don't know if anything has changed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] start menu and programs

search for desktop icons and hit enter.

On 5/11/2017 3:04 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:

Hi all
In W7 there was away to check if some program started when the PC
started. There was away to go to the start menu and uncheck those
program that you did not want to run unless you did it. How can I do so
in W10? Using current W10, NVDA.
Holger Fiallo























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AVAST

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

 

Can not uninstall AVAST. Went to control and prgramprogram and features did uninstall but did not remove it. Went to setting, app and tab to select AVAST tab to uninstall. Still there. Help.
Holger Fiallo