Hi Shaun:

When I tried the link https://twittv.com, I got the message that the
website was insecure. I tried it on both Firefox and Internet
Explorer.

Kevin Huber


On 5/10/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

www if all of you check out www.digitaldarragh.com there is a post there
on windows 10 s and what it means to the education industry from a
service tech.

So for certain things ie schools and universities it means a lot
especially in the student environment where viruses and stuff brought in
on flash drives and the like are rampent.

For us users, I'd avoid windows 10 s unless ofcause I was doing it for
school or something.

I certainly wouldn't buy a laptop on that.

Its for lower end units, chances are if you wanted a serious unit and
were not at school if you got the entry level business units which is
where I am hitting at or business units then this will not be a problem
at all.

And even if you get an s system, chances are you can upgrade it in store
for extra stuff 50 us is not to bad for upgrade from a school unit if it
is a school unit and previding you don't need to hand it back.

However there is probably no chance a user could actually ever set up an
s system anyway.

Schools need to be registered to even set this up with a pro box first off.

Next even if you got that sort of box yourself well we will have to see.

I could see myself with an s tablet maybe for studdies etc who knows.




On 11/05/2017 12:55 a.m., George McCoy wrote:

According to Paul Thurrott at thurrott.com and Mary Joe Foley at
allaboutmicrosoft.com, if you buy a windows 10 s ;device before
January 1 2018, you can upgrade it to windows 10 pro free of charge.
After that date, you can still upgrade to pro but it will cost you $50
u.s.
Windows 10 s will not run native win32 apps. The only apps it runs
are the ones in the Microsoft app store. This means that things like
Chrome and I- tunes will not run. Also, MS Edge is the default
browser and that setting cannot be changed. Bing is the default
search engine and that setting cannot be changed either.

For more information on this topic check out last week's Windows
Weekly podcast at https://twittv.com.

George

-----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 S

I gather Microsoft are trying to do a google and making an operating
system
that sits mainly online like the Chrome books do, but using their office
suite.
At the moment my only reason for mentioning it here is that as far as I
know, the only screenreader that can work on such a device will be
Narrator,
and as a heads up if anyone sees these machines about and assumes that if
its windows it must work with nvda.
I have no idea when they will be available and thus far I've only herd
about them from two sources.
So watch out.
Brian

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.

Why is it hard to believe that I find it more efficient to read the entire web page than to waste time hunting for information that is on the screen somewhere I don't know where it is on the page? Yes, most of the time, I let it read from the top, until it gets to the content I want.  It's faster (I run the speech as fast as it will go), and all I need to do when I get hwere I want to be is to press the shift or control key depending on whether I want to resume again or not. 

On the other hand, I spend a lot of time reading, so allowing the page to autoload and read from top to bottom is exactly what's wanted, since that way I don't need to do anything to hear the text of the book.  It's the most efficient way of doing things (for me).  It only takes a few seconds to get past the header information (in most cases) and the other content I want is usually near the top of the page, though admittedly, if it's a site like paypal or shopgoodwill, I don't bother with the read to end, because there's no need for it, I just press pagedown the required number of times to get near the main content (or the area I want) and then use the arrows from there to get where I want to go.  I rarely have the need to navigate by headers or tables, or anything else, because after I've been on a site a few times, I'm already familiar with where things are, and if it's close to the top, it's faster to just let it read.

The only reason automatic reading of the sort you describe occurs is because in some instances, NVDA automatically uses read to end when something opens.  You are using read to end in all of the examples you discuss.  But are you saying you let web pages read, link after link and whatever else is at the top of pages before articles begin?  It's hard to believe.  If not when you move to what you want to read, how do you read?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 

On 5/11/2017 6:26 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fantasy Sports

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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The only reason automatic reading of the sort you describe occurs is because in some instances, NVDA automatically uses read to end when something opens.  You are using read to end in all of the examples you discuss.  But are you saying you let web pages read, link after link and whatever else is at the top of pages before articles begin?  It's hard to believe.  If not when you move to what you want to read, how do you read?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 

On 5/11/2017 6:26 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fantasy Sports

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Static or not, Chrome reads pages for me when they come up, thunderbird reads new messages as they come up, winrar reads filenames when I arrow to them, the dos prompt reads automatically, the ssh client I use reads automatically as well.  The only thing that doesn't read automatically (and I suppose I could fix that if it bothered me enough) is notepad when I open txt files using notepad.  Otherwise, I never use the screen review mode unless I need to see something that already went past, and in most cases, I only use that if I need to leave the speech cursor somewhere other than the active cursor location, for times when I need to type something and don't know how to spell it without looking.  90 percent of the time, I leave NVDA in object review mode, and NVDA speaks things automatically, and if I miss something, I simply move around the screen using the cursor navigation keys to get to things without ever leaving object review mode. 

I don't know what would be involved in doing this.  I have long maintained that NVDA should have such a feature.  At this point, there are only specific interfaces where NVDA is set to do this, such as in the DOS prompt and evidently, in some mud programs and certain other contexts.  But the user can't control this as a general setting.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Fantasy Sports

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:02 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA

Thanks.

Most things such as web pages, emails, Word
documents, are static, in that the text just
appears once and you NVDA navigate to it using
the keyboard.

Theoretically, should NVDA have a mode where
it just reads everything on the page that
newly appears?

I suppose this only would apply to text games,
where text is dynamically appearing.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
>Sent: May 11, 2017 1:13 AM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>
>You need a plugin which supports NVDA.
>This page should get you going.
>https://allinaccess.com/mc/
>
>Download MushReader from there.
>On 5/10/2017 11:08 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>> I am using the MUSH Client, which is of course a windows
>> based client.
>>
>> You type commands in the bottom of the screen where your
>> cursor is, and the text from the MUD itself appears in
>> the window above.
>>
>> NVDA does not read anything in that MUD window as it appears,
>> and I'm not sure how you would get it to do so.
>>
>> If you're using a LINUX client, your experience is
>> probably very different, as you say.
>>
>> Perhaps you could give me advice on using NVDA with Mush
>> or other Windows clients?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>> Sent: May 10, 2017 11:41 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>
>>> I'm a little puzzled by what you're saying here.
>>>
>>> NVDA always reads text in real time.  I don't know exactly what you're
>>> experiencing, (perhaps it's the client you're using), but I don't have
>>> to touch the nvda review mode or move the cursor around at all (unless I
>>> want to see something that already printed), everything reads just fine
>>> when it comes from the mud, no configuration of NVDA is necessary.  Now,
>>> if you're using a mud client that isn't speech friendly, I could see
>>> where you might be having trouble.  Me personally, I tend to connect to
>>> my linux box first, then use either muddle or tintin depending on what
>>> I'm connecting to, and how long I plan to be connected, since muddle is
>>> my favorite client, but it's limited on capabilities, I tend to use it
>>> only when I don'[t plan to be logged in very long.  If I'm likely to be
>>> logged in for any length of time, I'll use tintin, because it has better
>>> capabilities, though I've not actually made it as full featured as I'd
>>> like, there's still a lot of things it misses that muddle catches, but
>>> it does have a gag feature which muddle doesn't, and I've not added one
>>> yet, so I tend to use those two, and don't bother with windows clients.
>>> I've tried a few, but honestly, I've been mudding since the early 90s,
>>> and I have yet to find a windows client that works the way I want, so I
>>> tend to avoid them.  Sure, some of them are nice, especially mushZ, but
>>> when I'm playing a mud, I'm not really all that interested in full audio
>>> immersion, so I tend to stick to my command line linux-based clients and
>>> just go on and do my thing and stay out of all discussion on clients,
>>> since I'm probably the only one that ever uses muddle, and although
>>> there are folks using tintin, I don't think the total is more than a
>>> percentage point or two of all total users, so I'm definitely in the
>>> minority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2017 9:33 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>> A lot of quick reactions are required sometimes in a MUD.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to make it read the text in real time
>>>> as it first appears on the screen?
>>>>
>>>> Or are you manually navigating to each paragraph yourself
>>>> with the NVDA keyboard commands?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
>>>>> Sent: May 9, 2017 10:59 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Multi-User-Dungeons and NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to optimize.  NVDA reads the text coming across the screen just
>>>>> fine.  If you don't want to see everything, then use a client that has
>>>>> gag capabilities, then you can repress certain text strings, so you
>>>>> don't see them.  Most muds also have various settings you can use to cut
>>>>> down on the amount of spam you receive, especially during battle.
>>>>> Nothing special needed to mud using NVDA, it works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2017 10:42 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone here play text adventures such as MUD's? (Multi User Dungeons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, is there a way to optimize NVDA with a MUD Client
>>>>>> to read the text as it scrolls in the game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Can not uninstall AVAST. Went to control and prgramprogram and features did uninstall but did not remove it. Went to setting, app and tab to select AVAST tab to uninstall. Still there. Help.
Holger Fiallo

Hi all
In W7 there was away to check if some program started when the PC
started. There was away to go to the start menu and uncheck those
program that you did not want to run unless you did it. How can I do so
in W10? Using current W10, NVDA.
Holger Fiallo

Hi all
In W7 there was away to check if some program started when the PC
started. There was away to go to the start menu and uncheck those
program that you did not want to run unless you did it. How can I do so
in W10? Using current W10, NVDA.
Holger Fiallo

Hi all
In W7 there was away to check if some program started when the PC
started. There was away to go to the start menu and uncheck those
program that you did not want to run unless you did it. How can I do so
in W10? Using current W10, NVDA.
Holger Fiallo