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Re: Text to speech program?

Andrea Sherry
 

Well Balabolka will do that for you and this is freeware.
TextAloud will also do this. But it is shareware.
Andrea

On 31/03/2016 8:42 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, does anyone no of a program that will convert PDF files to audio?

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Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox

Kevin Chao
 

I didn't know there was a desktop client. URL, please?


On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:14 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  the plugin installed easy, I had difficulty installing the desktop app for hang outs.  there was a link to it and when I clicked on that one it took me to the plugin installer. 
  Apparently google needs some work on there links or titles of links. 
  Do you have the desktop app for google handouts? 
 

On 3/30/2016 7:30 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Tip was for those who had difficulty installing plugin
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 3:34 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  I could, for what reason? 
  I disabled shockwave flash and adobe plugins because of the lowed flash things that would come up on some pages.  I have google update always activate and google talk and google video ask to activate.  If I can't have access to it I don't want it running or activating. 
  Pete 
 

On 3/29/2016 8:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Could you open about:addons then go to the plugins tab, then switch the dropdowns for all the Google plugins to "Always Activate"?
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:50 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  Hi  every one 
 
  This might help:
 
10 Tricks To Master Google Hangouts Lifehacker Australia
 
  Pete 
 




Re: help via skype with nvda?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Hank,
As Leeno, reminded, I do remembered Corey Martin's CoolBlindTech
coverage of teaching NVDA's object navigation, available at
https://www.coolblindtech.com/unravel-the-enigma-of-nvda-object-nav/
Thanks.

On 3/30/16, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
Hank do a search on
www.coolblindtech.com
I can't remember the dude's name, but he did a podcast last year I think
about the object nav. He did a good job explaining it.

On 3/30/2016 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:
there is nothing wrong with them its getting my head around the hole
concept of the object navigation.
its really hard to describe
hents why I am wanting help
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some
problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping
the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating
them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with
the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank







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Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
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Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Shaun,
Does using local NVDA Remote servers help in any way, i.e. by
increasing the speed of relaying commands or something, or what is the
practical effect of having servers dedicated to countries?
Just curious...
Thanks.

On 3/31/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
Gene

Thank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn't
visited it. It's an invaluable resource. Thank you.
Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 16:28, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Ben

The user manual for nvda remote can be found under the help section for
the add on in the nvda add on manager.

If you are interested, a while back I did a audio and also a written
tutorial on using it. It can be found on the nvda audio tutorials page
at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
When you get there jump down by headings to the section that refers to
NVDA remote.
It starts below this heading called How to provide assistance to another
NVDA user (using the NVDA Remote Support add-on)

It should be easy enough to follow. Again it is in both written and you
can listen to a audio version.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 31-Mar-16 12:17 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss>
wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote
servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for
more they want to put servers world wide eventually.
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net





--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


winamp book marks?

 

Hello is there a feature or a add on for nvda for winamp that would allow some one to book mark points in a file and be able to jump to that book mark like you can in jaws?
thanks
Hank


stationplaylist developer add on website?

 

Hello I am unable to find the email that has the unstable developer version of stationplaylist studio can I please get the address?
I am using version 5.0 of station playlist
thanks
Hank


Re: FW: Chrome updates

Gene
 

Perhaps someone with the technical knowledge might explain why the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer seems to be different than working with an actual physical mouse.  As I understand it, when you move the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer, you are actually moving whatever the physical mouse moves internally.  I don't know enough to know how to express that accurately.  But it appears there are times you can get information with the physical mouse and NVDA that you can't get with the JAWS or Window-eyes mouse movement commands. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:58 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy.

It was really, really interesting to me when I started playing with NVDA because, to my knowledge, it is the only screen reader that has the mouse tracking feature and that behaves as NVDA does in response to actual mouse movement.  I understand why, both for practical and historical reasons, the mouse has been a non-entity in the screen-reader-user world.  A good friend of mine refers to it as "the rodent," which I've always found extremely amusing.

But, with the advent of touch screens, where the finger is acting as a direct "mouse pointer" it's clear to me that the concepts that NVDA is using with mouse tracking will map, but in a very functional way, to finger travel on the touch screen.  My clients who use smartphones don't find it peculiar at all to use the touch screen with their finger even though they can't see it, because the finger position covers the actual screen territory.  With a mouse pad there's a "smaller to larger" mapping that's not directly intuitive and you can (and do) fall off the edge and sometimes re-emerge on the other if you go to far.  That's even worse with a conventional mouse and monitor.  The correspondence between a touch screen and "finger pointer" is more direct, tactile, and visceral.

I foresee the use of "mouse tracking" as applied to finger pointing as having huge potential to allow a person to explore a screen quickly, and at random locations, should they wish to do so.  There's a huge power in that and it's not being tapped on a routine basis as things stand now.

Brian



Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Gene

Thank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn't visited it. It's an invaluable resource. Thank you.
Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 16:28, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Ben

The user manual for nvda remote can be found under the help section for
the add on in the nvda add on manager.

If you are interested, a while back I did a audio and also a written
tutorial on using it. It can be found on the nvda audio tutorials page
at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
When you get there jump down by headings to the section that refers to
NVDA remote.
It starts below this heading called How to provide assistance to another
NVDA user (using the NVDA Remote Support add-on)

It should be easy enough to follow. Again it is in both written and you
can listen to a audio version.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 31-Mar-16 12:17 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for more they want to put servers world wide eventually.
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Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net




Re: FW: Chrome updates

Gene
 

one thing that I have never seen discussed is whether the physical mouse can be used by a blind person with NVDA on a web page where some problem exists that prevents Flash from being worked with.  I haven't used a physical mouse and I don't know if NVDA can see Flash controls when working with it.
 
I've seen it stated that some links can only be clicked with a physical mouse and for some reason, are coded not to work from the keyboard.  I expect this is nothing more than bad coding and design and I have either never or almost never come across such links but that's another interesting aspect of the discussion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates

Hi, Brian,

I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy. Thanks for bringing this point up.

Rosemarie
On 3/30/2016 4:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Just so people know this, even though NVDA+Down Arrow on the Chrome About page reads only "About Blank" there is other text, including the Version, that NVDA can and does read if you have mouse tracking on (which it is by default) and you glide your mouse pointer about the screen.

I have no idea why NVDA Find cannot find the word Version while a standard CTRL+F find in Chrome itself does.  I've tied playing with the commands to Follow System Caret and Move mouse to current navigator object to see if I could get NVDA to read that way, but I haven't succeeded.

Even if you don't typically use a mouse, if you've got one and are really certain that there must be something on a page you can get a lot of information by doing a slow, orderly "glide over" of the page with the mouse.  Depending on the layout of the page left-to-right working from top to bottom may work best.  For others top-to-bottom working from left to right will work best.  The layout of the Chrome About screen is pretty much a single column, not far from the left, so top to bottom, left to right works reasonably well.  You can always try a "quick and dirty" scan with the mouse until you hear something, anything, announced then getting organized about moving about.

Mouse tracking is one of the NVDA features I really like best because it gives another method to get to information when "the usuals" get cranky.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

Gene
 

Here is something interesting about NVDA not seeing most of the About screen. Someone, I believe on this list, reported today that if they unload NVDA and then reload it, they can read the screen.  I tried it and it works.  Evidently, Chrome isn't loading almost all of the about page when the page loads normally.  I have no idea why exiting and running NVDA again loads the page properly.  I'm not sure what the physical mouse is doing.  I don't have one and I can't experiment.  But it sounds from your discussion as though the physical mouse is reading the actual web page and not from the MSAA buffer.  That's interesting and it implies that the physical mouse never accesses the MSAA buffer but always works directly with the page.  
 
I realize that the Chrome browser is not working properly with this page but this topic may help developers and NVDA users work with web pages under unusual circumstances.  I have never had this happen before that I know of with any web page but in future, I'll keep the option of exiting an running NVDA in mind if I see something that looks like it may be the same problem.  That is, where I expect a page to load but I see nothing or almost nothing.  At rare times, unloading and loading NVDA may help and I may try it, on rare occasions.  I may also buy a physical mouse because it might be interesting to play with it at times when trying to deal with an accessibility problem and other methods don't work.
 
Gene  
 


Re: FW: Chrome updates

 

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:58 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy.

It was really, really interesting to me when I started playing with NVDA because, to my knowledge, it is the only screen reader that has the mouse tracking feature and that behaves as NVDA does in response to actual mouse movement.  I understand why, both for practical and historical reasons, the mouse has been a non-entity in the screen-reader-user world.  A good friend of mine refers to it as "the rodent," which I've always found extremely amusing.

But, with the advent of touch screens, where the finger is acting as a direct "mouse pointer" it's clear to me that the concepts that NVDA is using with mouse tracking will map, but in a very functional way, to finger travel on the touch screen.  My clients who use smartphones don't find it peculiar at all to use the touch screen with their finger even though they can't see it, because the finger position covers the actual screen territory.  With a mouse pad there's a "smaller to larger" mapping that's not directly intuitive and you can (and do) fall off the edge and sometimes re-emerge on the other if you go to far.  That's even worse with a conventional mouse and monitor.  The correspondence between a touch screen and "finger pointer" is more direct, tactile, and visceral.

I foresee the use of "mouse tracking" as applied to finger pointing as having huge potential to allow a person to explore a screen quickly, and at random locations, should they wish to do so.  There's a huge power in that and it's not being tapped on a routine basis as things stand now.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

 

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:38 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Chrome doesn't allow you not to update whereas Firefox allows you to turn off updates or to be prompted and accept or not.  That is a significant difference.

 Absolutely, and I prefer the Firefox approach.  Firefox is, however, configured just like Chrome - automatically update - unless you know how to change that setting.  Your average user does not, and that's just what the folks at Firefox are relying on.

While there are legitimate reasons to postpone updates, one should not indulge in that urge for too long when the program interacts on a regular basis with the web at large.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy. Thanks for bringing this point up.

Rosemarie

On 3/30/2016 4:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Just so people know this, even though NVDA+Down Arrow on the Chrome About page reads only "About Blank" there is other text, including the Version, that NVDA can and does read if you have mouse tracking on (which it is by default) and you glide your mouse pointer about the screen.

I have no idea why NVDA Find cannot find the word Version while a standard CTRL+F find in Chrome itself does.  I've tied playing with the commands to Follow System Caret and Move mouse to current navigator object to see if I could get NVDA to read that way, but I haven't succeeded.

Even if you don't typically use a mouse, if you've got one and are really certain that there must be something on a page you can get a lot of information by doing a slow, orderly "glide over" of the page with the mouse.  Depending on the layout of the page left-to-right working from top to bottom may work best.  For others top-to-bottom working from left to right will work best.  The layout of the Chrome About screen is pretty much a single column, not far from the left, so top to bottom, left to right works reasonably well.  You can always try a "quick and dirty" scan with the mouse until you hear something, anything, announced then getting organized about moving about.

Mouse tracking is one of the NVDA features I really like best because it gives another method to get to information when "the usuals" get cranky.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

Gene
 

Chrome doesn't allow you not to update whereas Firefox allows you to turn off updates or to be prompted and accept or not.  That is a significant difference.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates

it sounds like Chrome updates like Firefox.

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Just so people know this, even though NVDA+Down Arrow on the Chrome About page reads only "About Blank" there is other text, including the Version, that NVDA can and does read if you have mouse tracking on (which it is by default) and you glide your mouse pointer about the screen.

I have no idea why NVDA Find cannot find the word Version while a standard CTRL+F find in Chrome itself does.  I've tied playing with the commands to Follow System Caret and Move mouse to current navigator object to see if I could get NVDA to read that way, but I haven't succeeded.

Even if you don't typically use a mouse, if you've got one and are really certain that there must be something on a page you can get a lot of information by doing a slow, orderly "glide over" of the page with the mouse.  Depending on the layout of the page left-to-right working from top to bottom may work best.  For others top-to-bottom working from left to right will work best.  The layout of the Chrome About screen is pretty much a single column, not far from the left, so top to bottom, left to right works reasonably well.  You can always try a "quick and dirty" scan with the mouse until you hear something, anything, announced then getting organized about moving about.

Mouse tracking is one of the NVDA features I really like best because it gives another method to get to information when "the usuals" get cranky.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

 

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:15 pm, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
it sounds like Chrome updates like Firefox.

That's true.  Both constantly monitor for updates and apply them without user intervention.  There are occasions where Chrome, in particular, applies the update but requires a restart of Chrome for it to take effect.

Both are "low to no maintenance" programs and both now make it quite difficult to hold on to outdated versions.  Keeping outdated web browsers is generally not a good idea.

Brian

P.S.  I just updated Chrome and the latest is Version 49.0.2623.110 m



Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Ben

The user manual for nvda remote can be found under the help section for
the add on in the nvda add on manager.

If you are interested, a while back I did a audio and also a written
tutorial on using it. It can be found on the nvda audio tutorials page
at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
When you get there jump down by headings to the section that refers to
NVDA remote.
It starts below this heading called How to provide assistance to another
NVDA user (using the NVDA Remote Support add-on)

It should be easy enough to follow. Again it is in both written and you
can listen to a audio version.

hope this helps.

Gene nz

On 31-Mar-16 12:17 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for more they want to put servers world wide eventually.



--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben

On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for more they want to put servers world wide eventually.



Re: FW: Chrome updates

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

it sounds like Chrome updates like Firefox.

Ben

On Mar 30, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Just so people know this, even though NVDA+Down Arrow on the Chrome About page reads only "About Blank" there is other text, including the Version, that NVDA can and does read if you have mouse tracking on (which it is by default) and you glide your mouse pointer about the screen.

I have no idea why NVDA Find cannot find the word Version while a standard CTRL+F find in Chrome itself does.  I've tied playing with the commands to Follow System Caret and Move mouse to current navigator object to see if I could get NVDA to read that way, but I haven't succeeded.

Even if you don't typically use a mouse, if you've got one and are really certain that there must be something on a page you can get a lot of information by doing a slow, orderly "glide over" of the page with the mouse.  Depending on the layout of the page left-to-right working from top to bottom may work best.  For others top-to-bottom working from left to right will work best.  The layout of the Chrome About screen is pretty much a single column, not far from the left, so top to bottom, left to right works reasonably well.  You can always try a "quick and dirty" scan with the mouse until you hear something, anything, announced then getting organized about moving about.

Mouse tracking is one of the NVDA features I really like best because it gives another method to get to information when "the usuals" get cranky.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

 

Just so people know this, even though NVDA+Down Arrow on the Chrome About page reads only "About Blank" there is other text, including the Version, that NVDA can and does read if you have mouse tracking on (which it is by default) and you glide your mouse pointer about the screen.

I have no idea why NVDA Find cannot find the word Version while a standard CTRL+F find in Chrome itself does.  I've tied playing with the commands to Follow System Caret and Move mouse to current navigator object to see if I could get NVDA to read that way, but I haven't succeeded.

Even if you don't typically use a mouse, if you've got one and are really certain that there must be something on a page you can get a lot of information by doing a slow, orderly "glide over" of the page with the mouse.  Depending on the layout of the page left-to-right working from top to bottom may work best.  For others top-to-bottom working from left to right will work best.  The layout of the Chrome About screen is pretty much a single column, not far from the left, so top to bottom, left to right works reasonably well.  You can always try a "quick and dirty" scan with the mouse until you hear something, anything, announced then getting organized about moving about.

Mouse tracking is one of the NVDA features I really like best because it gives another method to get to information when "the usuals" get cranky.

Brian


Re: Text to speech program?

john s
 

Matt, yep, Balabolka, a free program.



earlier, Matt Turner, wrote:

Hi, does anyone no of a program that will convert PDF files to audio?

John