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Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Gene
 

Learning how to work with object navigation is not similar to anything in NVDA.  Screen review and flat review use different commands but they are similar to reviewing the screen with the Window-eyes mouse pointer in concept.  I don't know what you are referring to as two different animals.  It is important for any instructional material to help with the transition to make such points as I made yesterday. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi,


Totally understandable,  in my transition from window eyes to NVDA, I have found this out pretty much the hard way sighs. The concept is almost 2 different animals. Thank goodness we have the obj pad add-on. cheers Joseph! You've helped me tremendously with this part of learning NVDA!  I know longer have to drive myself mad!


Tony


Tony 


On 5/17/2017 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
If done properly, there isn't that much for a lot of users to learn and what does need to be learned, doesn't necessarily transfer from Window-eyes.  First, the most important thing to know is that as long as you learn certain commands, and not many, such as read title bar and commands like read current line, read current character and other review commands, you can do much or most of what you did using Window-eyes, unless you are an advanced user and make important use of such things as the Mouse Pointer in Window-eyes.  But a lot or most of what typical users use aside from screen review, read title bar, and certain other screen-reader commands, are Windows commands and program commands. 
 
For learning how to use object navigation and flat review, the user should learn them from instructional material or the manual if the user learns from manuals. 
there is some more or less equivalence when using flat review but none for object navigation.  In either case, it's better to learn the NVDA commands and even when learning flat review, not trying to remember things by saying, this key in Window-eyes did this when moving the mouse pointer and this key moves you in the same way using flat review.  That's my opinion.  My opinion is that it makes far more sense to simply learn how to move in flat review and how to activate using NVDA key NVDA enter and how to route the mouse to the navigator object or to the flat review position.  There is little or no exact equivalence in procedure in NvDA..

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
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Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:
The concept is almost 2 different animals.

 The above being written with regard to Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that perspective fascinates me since I have very limited experience with Window Eyes.

This is very different from my personal experience [proviso: as a sighted person who only tutors screen reader use rather than actually using a screen reader as my primary access to the computer] between JAWS and NVDA.  I know JAWS (or at least knew JAWS, I'm getting a bit rusty but it'll be like riding a bike) and when I wanted to learn NVDA the major annoyance was unlearning a few keystrokes that they don't share for the same functions.  By and large they're very similar animals in my opinion.

How do others who used or may still use both JAWS and NVDA feel about this observation?   You're much better able to speak to whether my perspective is utterly skewed or not.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

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Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Earle Zwicker
 

I just wanted to thank all of you for the great information. I have uninstalled everything, and reinstalled, and everything is working perfectly again.

Nvda just gets better and better all of the time.

I'm finding the Windows 10 addon to be especially useful. 

Earle

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Maybe the uninstaller should ask if you want to remove your settings or just the program.  It shouldn't be this convoluted to remove everything, should people want to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

NVDA is in several parts.
The program can be removed with Programs and Features.

The user configuration won't be removed when the program is, and this
confuses a lot of people. Do this:
1. From the Run dialog (Windows+r), type:

%appdata%

And press enter.
2. Find nvda in that directory and delete it.

It's best to do this when NVDA is not running.

If you just want to restore your user settings to factory defaults
without addons, then deleting the configuration should be enough.

On 5/18/2017 9:36 AM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
> 'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?
>
> Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?
>
> I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Earle
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>




Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Totally understandable,  in my transition from window eyes to NVDA, I have found this out pretty much the hard way sighs. The concept is almost 2 different animals. Thank goodness we have the obj pad add-on. cheers Joseph! You've helped me tremendously with this part of learning NVDA!  I know longer have to drive myself mad!


Tony


Tony 


On 5/17/2017 8:48 PM, Gene wrote:
If done properly, there isn't that much for a lot of users to learn and what does need to be learned, doesn't necessarily transfer from Window-eyes.  First, the most important thing to know is that as long as you learn certain commands, and not many, such as read title bar and commands like read current line, read current character and other review commands, you can do much or most of what you did using Window-eyes, unless you are an advanced user and make important use of such things as the Mouse Pointer in Window-eyes.  But a lot or most of what typical users use aside from screen review, read title bar, and certain other screen-reader commands, are Windows commands and program commands. 
 
For learning how to use object navigation and flat review, the user should learn them from instructional material or the manual if the user learns from manuals. 
there is some more or less equivalence when using flat review but none for object navigation.  In either case, it's better to learn the NVDA commands and even when learning flat review, not trying to remember things by saying, this key in Window-eyes did this when moving the mouse pointer and this key moves you in the same way using flat review.  That's my opinion.  My opinion is that it makes far more sense to simply learn how to move in flat review and how to activate using NVDA key NVDA enter and how to route the mouse to the navigator object or to the flat review position.  There is little or no exact equivalence in procedure in NvDA..

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

I agree, but this is a, "Get writing!!," situation for those who are bilingual [in a manner of speaking] in both Window Eyes and NVDA.

I don't fit this category and based on what I think I know about the number of bodies involved in the "nuts and bolts" of NVDA the staffing is probably not available to do this in house any time soon.
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 



Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:20 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:
Is there a link out there for them?

I can't find anything obvious on the Freedom Scientific website under either support or training with regard to being a new JAWS user coming from using one screen reader to another.
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Absolutely, all anyone has to do is ask for help and I'm on it. 


Tony

On 5/17/2017 7:40 PM, David Moore wrote:

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.

 

 

 



Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Very True,there's a great opportunity here for us to help many others
and we might as well do our best to take advantage of it. Throughout my
career I was an avid window-eyes user from 1996 to July of last year
which is when I made the full time move to NVDA with the release of
windows 10. I have yet to look at any of the VFO groups material for
having my hands in other projects. Is there a link out there for them?
I'm interested.


Tony

On 5/17/2017 2:36 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
Hi everyone.

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that
providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice
transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea
for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are
using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and
NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a
good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as
reporting features and bugs.



Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Gene
 

Maybe the uninstaller should ask if you want to remove your settings or just the program.  It shouldn't be this convoluted to remove everything, should people want to.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

NVDA is in several parts.
The program can be removed with Programs and Features.

The user configuration won't be removed when the program is, and this
confuses a lot of people. Do this:
1. From the Run dialog (Windows+r), type:

%appdata%

And press enter.
2. Find nvda in that directory and delete it.

It's best to do this when NVDA is not running.

If you just want to restore your user settings to factory defaults
without addons, then deleting the configuration should be enough.

On 5/18/2017 9:36 AM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
> 'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?
>
> Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?
>
> I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Earle
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>




Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Gene
 

There is at least one folder you need to remove after uninstallation.  You can uninstall the program in the usual way but there will still be something left.  I believe the program leaves settings in case you want to reinstall and not loose them.  Many programs do that.  Someone will, I expect,  discuss how to remove anything the uninstallation leaves behind. 
 
However, you might get help solving the problem or problems you are having if you tell us what they are.  Uninstalling may or may not be an effective means to solve them. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

Just Nvda. I want to start from scratch with a clean copy, but I want to make sure everything gets removed.

 

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


On May 18, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

Are you looking to just remove NVDA, or re-install the whole operating system?

 

This info will help us assist you further

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

 

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

 

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

 

Thanks for any ideas.

 

Earle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Tyler Spivey
 

NVDA is in several parts.
The program can be removed with Programs and Features.

The user configuration won't be removed when the program is, and this confuses a lot of people. Do this:
1. From the Run dialog (Windows+r), type:

%appdata%

And press enter.
2. Find nvda in that directory and delete it.

It's best to do this when NVDA is not running.

If you just want to restore your user settings to factory defaults without addons, then deleting the configuration should be enough.

On 5/18/2017 9:36 AM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

Thanks for any ideas.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

For gods sake man, he asked about nvda, not windows.

Removing nvda via the programs add/remove menu should work fine, just be sure to wipe out the directory where it stores all your custom configurations.

On my system, this is in the appdata\local\roaming\nvda

folder, under my user directory.  Yours may or may not be the same depending on various system settings.

Hope this helps.



On 5/18/2017 1:03 PM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

Are you looking to just remove NVDA, or re-install the whole operating system?

 

This info will help us assist you further

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

 

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

 

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

 

Thanks for any ideas.

 

Earle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 



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Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Jessica D
 

Hi,

 

Yes, you can do that by typing “uninstall NVDA” into the search box, when you bring up the start menu.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

Just Nvda. I want to start from scratch with a clean copy, but I want to make sure everything gets removed.

 

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


On May 18, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

Are you looking to just remove NVDA, or re-install the whole operating system?

 

This info will help us assist you further

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

 

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

 

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

 

Thanks for any ideas.

 

Earle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Earle Zwicker
 

Just Nvda. I want to start from scratch with a clean copy, but I want to make sure everything gets removed.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

Are you looking to just remove NVDA, or re-install the whole operating system?

 

This info will help us assist you further

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

 

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

 

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

 

Thanks for any ideas.

 

Earle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 


Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Jessica D
 

Hi,

Are you looking to just remove NVDA, or re-install the whole operating system?

 

This info will help us assist you further

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Earle Zwicker
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

 

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

 

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

 

Thanks for any ideas.

 

Earle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 


Re: Test Message

Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
 

Thanks, Joseph, and good to see you here!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi professor,

Yes it did.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: Test Message

Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antonio Rozier
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

yes

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

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Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

Earle Zwicker
 

'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

Thanks for any ideas.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Test Message

 

Hi professor,

Yes it did.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: Test Message

Antonio Rozier
 

yes

 

Antonio D. Rozier

Accessibility Manager

The Lighthouse for the Blind, Inc.
P: 206-436-2152

C: 206-698-2823

E-mail: arozier@...

Web: www.seattlelighthouse.org 

 

Our Mission: To create and enhance opportunities for independence and self-sufficiency of people who are blind, Deaf-Blind, and blind with other disabilities

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Test Message

Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan