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Re: FW: Chrome updates
Gene
It's also worth noting that the same page you work
with for the about information in Chrome also is the page used for working with
plugins. If you want to change plugin settings, again, you can't do so as
you used to unless you exit NVDA and run it again.
I'm not sure if you will have to do the same thing
for other items that use that page. It appears that history opens the same
page.
Gene
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Re: Attachments
NVDA, from my memory, did say 'has attachment' in Thunderbird.
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Re: Attachments
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 07:04 am, Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@...> wrote:
it does just that, because the attachment field is first. Same here in Windows Live Mail 2012. Though the attachment field isn't first, it's before the From and Subject and I virtually never have any message arrive marked important (the actual first field). It's also interesting to note that in WLM 2012 you only see the fields laid out that way in one-line message view and that attachments will not even be shown on messages that have them until/unless the sender is on your safe sender's list. A test message I just sent to my testing account from one of my own e-mail accounts didn't show that it had an attachment because I'd never added myself to the safe sender's list prior to doing the test. Once I did, the "has attachment" field then populated in the message list. Brian
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Re: Attachments
Patrick Le Baudour
Hi,
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Doesn't it depend on the mail client ? In thunderbird, here, it does just that, because the attachment field is first. Or am I misunderstanding something ? -- Patrick.
Le 31/03/2016 15:52, Peter Beasley a écrit :
I think it would be nice if NVDA could say has attachment before
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Re: Attachments
n8mnx@att.net
Nvda does say has attachments in thunderbird but youhave to be
reading from the list of messages and not from inside of a message
if your and you delete a message and the next message has an
attachment you won't hear it unless you go back out of the message
and go back to the list of messages hope thats helps.
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Brian Sackrider
On 3/31/2016 6:52 AM, Peter Beasley
wrote:
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Attachments
Peter Beasley
I think it would be nice if NVDA could say has attachment before anything
else when going through e-mails like Window-eyes does. .
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Re: nvda remote unofficial servers
Patrick ZAJDA
Hi Shaun and all,
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First of all, thank you very much for this information! I didn't know that, on which twitter did you read it? And how this server (for the code) is affiliated to NVDARemote creators? Last question: I set up a server, but I don't find the e-mail address to contact, what e-mail address is it? Thanks! Patrick Shaun Everiss:
Hi. --
Patrick ZAJDA
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Re: nvda remote unofficial servers
Well from the post I read on twitter depending how far you are from the primary server, there is a delay of some note.
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Also if it ever died we wouldn't have any remote access as such unless you did it locally. Pluss you were supposed to make your own servers. From what I know from the site, all servers are using an unofficial remote server mod of nvda remote, running on ubuntu linux through vertual units.
On 31/03/2016 4:54 p.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi Shaun,
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Re: Text to speech program?
Andrea Sherry
Well Balabolka will do that for you and this is freeware.
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TextAloud will also do this. But it is shareware. Andrea
On 31/03/2016 8:42 AM, Matt Turner
wrote:
Hi, does anyone no of a program that will convert PDF files to audio? --
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad
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Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox
Kevin Chao
I didn't know there was a desktop client. URL, please?
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:14 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
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Re: help via skype with nvda?
Bhavya shah
Hi Hank,
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As Leeno, reminded, I do remembered Corey Martin's CoolBlindTech coverage of teaching NVDA's object navigation, available at https://www.coolblindtech.com/unravel-the-enigma-of-nvda-object-nav/ Thanks.
On 3/30/16, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hank do a search on --
Warm Regards Bhavya Shah Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means: Mobile: +91 7506221750 E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Skype id : bhavya.09
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Re: nvda remote unofficial servers
Bhavya shah
Hi Shaun,
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Does using local NVDA Remote servers help in any way, i.e. by increasing the speed of relaying commands or something, or what is the practical effect of having servers dedicated to countries? Just curious... Thanks.
On 3/31/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@icloud.com> wrote:
GeneThank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn'tBen --
Warm Regards Bhavya Shah Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means: Mobile: +91 7506221750 E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com Skype id : bhavya.09
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winamp book marks?
Hello is there a feature or a add on for nvda for winamp that would allow some one to book mark points in a file and be able to jump to that book mark like you can in jaws?
thanks Hank
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stationplaylist developer add on website?
Hello I am unable to find the email that has the unstable developer version of stationplaylist studio can I please get the address?
I am using version 5.0 of station playlist thanks Hank
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Re: FW: Chrome updates
Gene
Perhaps someone with the technical knowledge might
explain why the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer seems to be
different than working with an actual physical mouse. As I understand it,
when you move the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer, you are actually
moving whatever the physical mouse moves internally. I don't know enough
to know how to express that accurately. But it appears there are times you
can get information with the physical mouse and NVDA that you can't get with the
JAWS or Window-eyes mouse movement commands.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:27 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates
I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy. It was really, really interesting to me when I started playing with NVDA because, to my knowledge, it is the only screen reader that has the mouse tracking feature and that behaves as NVDA does in response to actual mouse movement. I understand why, both for practical and historical reasons, the mouse has been a non-entity in the screen-reader-user world. A good friend of mine refers to it as "the rodent," which I've always found extremely amusing. But, with the advent of touch screens, where the finger is acting as a direct "mouse pointer" it's clear to me that the concepts that NVDA is using with mouse tracking will map, but in a very functional way, to finger travel on the touch screen. My clients who use smartphones don't find it peculiar at all to use the touch screen with their finger even though they can't see it, because the finger position covers the actual screen territory. With a mouse pad there's a "smaller to larger" mapping that's not directly intuitive and you can (and do) fall off the edge and sometimes re-emerge on the other if you go to far. That's even worse with a conventional mouse and monitor. The correspondence between a touch screen and "finger pointer" is more direct, tactile, and visceral. I foresee the use of "mouse tracking" as applied to finger pointing as having huge potential to allow a person to explore a screen quickly, and at random locations, should they wish to do so. There's a huge power in that and it's not being tapped on a routine basis as things stand now. Brian
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Re: nvda remote unofficial servers
Gene
Thank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn't visited it. It's an invaluable resource. Thank you.Ben On Mar 30, 2016, at 16:28, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
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Re: FW: Chrome updates
Gene
one thing that I have never seen discussed is
whether the physical mouse can be used by a blind person with NVDA on a web page
where some problem exists that prevents Flash from being worked with. I
haven't used a physical mouse and I don't know if NVDA can see Flash controls
when working with it.
I've seen it stated that some
links can only be clicked with a physical mouse and for some reason, are coded
not to work from the keyboard. I expect this is nothing more than bad
coding and design and I have either never or almost never come across such links
but that's another interesting aspect of the discussion.
Gene
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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:58 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy. Thanks for bringing this point up. Rosemarie On 3/30/2016 4:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Re: FW: Chrome updates
Gene
Here is something interesting about NVDA not seeing
most of the About screen. Someone, I believe on this list, reported today that
if they unload NVDA and then reload it, they can read the screen. I
tried it and it works. Evidently, Chrome isn't loading almost all of
the about page when the page loads normally. I have no idea why exiting
and running NVDA again loads the page properly. I'm not sure what the
physical mouse is doing. I don't have one and I can't experiment.
But it sounds from your discussion as though the physical mouse is reading the
actual web page and not from the MSAA buffer. That's interesting and it
implies that the physical mouse never accesses the MSAA buffer but always works
directly with the page.
I realize that the Chrome browser is not working
properly with this page but this topic may help developers and NVDA users work
with web pages under unusual circumstances. I have never had this happen
before that I know of with any web page but in future, I'll keep the option of
exiting an running NVDA in mind if I see something that looks like it may be the
same problem. That is, where I expect a page to load but I see nothing or
almost nothing. At rare times, unloading and loading NVDA may help and I
may try it, on rare occasions. I may also buy a physical mouse because it
might be interesting to play with it at times when trying to deal with an
accessibility problem and other methods don't work.
Gene
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Re: FW: Chrome updates
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:58 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy. It was really, really interesting to me when I started playing with NVDA because, to my knowledge, it is the only screen reader that has the mouse tracking feature and that behaves as NVDA does in response to actual mouse movement. I understand why, both for practical and historical reasons, the mouse has been a non-entity in the screen-reader-user world. A good friend of mine refers to it as "the rodent," which I've always found extremely amusing. But, with the advent of touch screens, where the finger is acting as a direct "mouse pointer" it's clear to me that the concepts that NVDA is using with mouse tracking will map, but in a very functional way, to finger travel on the touch screen. My clients who use smartphones don't find it peculiar at all to use the touch screen with their finger even though they can't see it, because the finger position covers the actual screen territory. With a mouse pad there's a "smaller to larger" mapping that's not directly intuitive and you can (and do) fall off the edge and sometimes re-emerge on the other if you go to far. That's even worse with a conventional mouse and monitor. The correspondence between a touch screen and "finger pointer" is more direct, tactile, and visceral. I foresee the use of "mouse tracking" as applied to finger pointing as having huge potential to allow a person to explore a screen quickly, and at random locations, should they wish to do so. There's a huge power in that and it's not being tapped on a routine basis as things stand now. Brian
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Re: FW: Chrome updates
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:38 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Chrome doesn't allow you not to update whereas Firefox allows you to turn off updates or to be prompted and accept or not. That is a significant difference. Absolutely, and I prefer the Firefox approach. Firefox is, however, configured just like Chrome - automatically update - unless you know how to change that setting. Your average user does not, and that's just what the folks at Firefox are relying on. While there are legitimate reasons to postpone updates, one should not indulge in that urge for too long when the program interacts on a regular basis with the web at large. Brian
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