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Re: NVDA with iTunes.

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

Last time I used NVDA, with itunes, it didn't crash.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> wrote:

Hi folks, I've been testing out iTunes with the master version of NVDA.
And it still crashes nvda in the middle of using the iTunes store.
Someone told me about and old nvda log file, but i can't find it.


NVDA with iTunes.

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks, I've been testing out iTunes with the master version of NVDA.
And it still crashes nvda in the middle of using the iTunes store.
Someone told me about and old nvda log file, but i can't find it.


Re: FW: Chrome updates

Chris Mullins
 

If I press alt+d and type about://version in the Omnibox, I get the following page which I can read with arrow keys:

 

Google Inc.

Copyright 2016 Google Inc. All rights reserved.

Google Chrome:

49.0.2623.110 (Official Build) m(64-bit)

Revision:

575538bc320e213510be1e66f3521382e615129d-refs/branch-heads/2623@{#657}

OS:

Windows

Blink:

537.36 (@575538bc320e213510be1e66f3521382e615129d)

JavaScript:

V84.9.385.33

Flash:

21.0.0.197

User Agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.110 Safari/537.36

Command Line:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --flag-switches-begin --flag-switches-end

Executable Path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe

Profile Path:

C:\Users\Chris\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default

Variations:

b3888d8d-afba0f91

 

 

it continues with more information and I don’t have mouse tracking active.

 

Using W7 with NVDA 2016.1

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: 31 March 2016 00:13
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates

 

Just so people know this, even though NVDA+Down Arrow on the Chrome About page reads only "About Blank" there is other text, including the Version, that NVDA can and does read if you have mouse tracking on (which it is by default) and you glide your mouse pointer about the screen.

I have no idea why NVDA Find cannot find the word Version while a standard CTRL+F find in Chrome itself does.  I've tied playing with the commands to Follow System Caret and Move mouse to current navigator object to see if I could get NVDA to read that way, but I haven't succeeded.

Even if you don't typically use a mouse, if you've got one and are really certain that there must be something on a page you can get a lot of information by doing a slow, orderly "glide over" of the page with the mouse.  Depending on the layout of the page left-to-right working from top to bottom may work best.  For others top-to-bottom working from left to right will work best.  The layout of the Chrome About screen is pretty much a single column, not far from the left, so top to bottom, left to right works reasonably well.  You can always try a "quick and dirty" scan with the mouse until you hear something, anything, announced then getting organized about moving about.

Mouse tracking is one of the NVDA features I really like best because it gives another method to get to information when "the usuals" get cranky.

Brian


Re: FW: Chrome updates

 

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 05:33 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
one thing that I have never seen discussed is whether the physical mouse can be used by a blind person with NVDA on a web page where some problem exists that prevents Flash from being worked with.  I haven't used a physical mouse and I don't know if NVDA can see Flash controls when working with it.
 
I've seen it stated that some links can only be clicked with a physical mouse and for some reason, are coded not to work from the keyboard.  I expect this is nothing more than bad coding and design and I have either never or almost never come across such links but that's another interesting aspect of the discussion.

Both of these situations are very interesting and worth exploring.  If anyone encounters either situation it would be very useful to post the web address(es) of the pages in question so that direct exploration can commence.

I agree that bad coding and design is responsible for a lot of accessibility (and other) problems.  I'm constantly trying to convince my partner that every problem he has, particular in regard to web browsing, is not necessarily the fault of his "lousy computer" but is equally, if not more, likely to be the fault of the website itself.  There's a lot of GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) code out there.

Brian



Re: FW: Chrome updates

Gene
 

It's also worth noting that the same page you work with for the about information in Chrome also is the page used for working with plugins.  If you want to change plugin settings, again, you can't do so as you used to unless you exit NVDA and run it again.
 
I'm not sure if you will have to do the same thing for other items that use that page.  It appears that history opens the same page.
 
Gene


Re: Attachments

 

NVDA, from my memory, did say 'has attachment' in Thunderbird.


Re: Attachments

 

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 07:04 am, Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@...> wrote:
it does just that, because the attachment field is first.

Same here in Windows Live Mail 2012.  Though the attachment field isn't first, it's before the From and Subject and I virtually never have any message arrive marked important (the actual first field).  It's also interesting to note that in WLM 2012 you only see the fields laid out that way in one-line message view and that attachments will not even be shown on messages that have them until/unless the sender is on your safe sender's list.  A test message I just sent to my testing account from one of my own e-mail accounts didn't show that it had an attachment because I'd never added myself to the safe sender's list prior to doing the test.  Once I did, the "has attachment" field then populated in the message list.

Brian 



Re: Attachments

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

Doesn't it depend on the mail client ? In thunderbird, here, it does just that, because the attachment field is first.
Or am I misunderstanding something ?

-- Patrick.

Le 31/03/2016 15:52, Peter Beasley a écrit :
I think it would be nice if NVDA could say has attachment before
anything else when going through e-mails like Window-eyes does. .


Re: Attachments

n8mnx@att.net
 

    Nvda does say has attachments in thunderbird but youhave to be reading from the list of messages and not from inside of a message if your and you delete a message and the next message has an attachment you won't hear it unless you go back out of the message and go back to the list of messages hope thats helps.
Brian Sackrider

On 3/31/2016 6:52 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
I think it would be nice if NVDA could say has attachment before anything else when going through e-mails like Window-eyes does. .


Attachments

Peter Beasley
 

I think it would be nice if NVDA could say has attachment before anything else when going through e-mails like Window-eyes does. .


Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Patrick ZAJDA
 

Hi Shaun and all,

First of all, thank you very much for this information! I didn't know
that, on which twitter did you read it?
And how this server (for the code) is affiliated to NVDARemote creators?
Last question: I set up a server, but I don't find the e-mail address to
contact, what e-mail address is it?

Thanks!

Patrick

Shaun Everiss:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote
servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for
more they want to put servers world wide eventually.


--
Patrick ZAJDA


Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

 

Well from the post I read on twitter depending how far you are from the primary server, there is a delay of some note.
Also if it ever died we wouldn't have any remote access as such unless you did it locally.
Pluss you were supposed to make your own servers.
From what I know from the site, all servers are using an unofficial remote server mod of nvda remote, running on ubuntu linux through vertual units.

On 31/03/2016 4:54 p.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi Shaun,
Does using local NVDA Remote servers help in any way, i.e. by
increasing the speed of relaying commands or something, or what is the
practical effect of having servers dedicated to countries?
Just curious...
Thanks.

On 3/31/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@icloud.com> wrote:
Gene

Thank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn't
visited it. It's an invaluable resource. Thank you.
Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 16:28, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Ben

The user manual for nvda remote can be found under the help section for
the add on in the nvda add on manager.

If you are interested, a while back I did a audio and also a written
tutorial on using it. It can be found on the nvda audio tutorials page
at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
When you get there jump down by headings to the section that refers to
NVDA remote.
It starts below this heading called How to provide assistance to another
NVDA user (using the NVDA Remote Support add-on)

It should be easy enough to follow. Again it is in both written and you
can listen to a audio version.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 31-Mar-16 12:17 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote
servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for
more they want to put servers world wide eventually.
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net






Re: Text to speech program?

Andrea Sherry
 

Well Balabolka will do that for you and this is freeware.
TextAloud will also do this. But it is shareware.
Andrea

On 31/03/2016 8:42 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, does anyone no of a program that will convert PDF files to audio?

--
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad


Re: attempting to instal the google hangouts plugin to firefox

Kevin Chao
 

I didn't know there was a desktop client. URL, please?


On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:14 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  the plugin installed easy, I had difficulty installing the desktop app for hang outs.  there was a link to it and when I clicked on that one it took me to the plugin installer. 
  Apparently google needs some work on there links or titles of links. 
  Do you have the desktop app for google handouts? 
 

On 3/30/2016 7:30 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Tip was for those who had difficulty installing plugin
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 3:34 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  I could, for what reason? 
  I disabled shockwave flash and adobe plugins because of the lowed flash things that would come up on some pages.  I have google update always activate and google talk and google video ask to activate.  If I can't have access to it I don't want it running or activating. 
  Pete 
 

On 3/29/2016 8:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Could you open about:addons then go to the plugins tab, then switch the dropdowns for all the Google plugins to "Always Activate"?
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:50 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
 
  Hi  every one 
 
  This might help:
 
10 Tricks To Master Google Hangouts Lifehacker Australia
 
  Pete 
 




Re: help via skype with nvda?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Hank,
As Leeno, reminded, I do remembered Corey Martin's CoolBlindTech
coverage of teaching NVDA's object navigation, available at
https://www.coolblindtech.com/unravel-the-enigma-of-nvda-object-nav/
Thanks.

On 3/30/16, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hank do a search on
www.coolblindtech.com
I can't remember the dude's name, but he did a podcast last year I think
about the object nav. He did a good job explaining it.

On 3/30/2016 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:
there is nothing wrong with them its getting my head around the hole
concept of the object navigation.
its really hard to describe
hents why I am wanting help
thanks
Hank

On 3/29/2016 9:53 PM, Afrim wrote:
What's wrong with them? They are well explained.
I also want to switch to NVDA completely, but there are still some
problems that prevent me to go for it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello can some one help me via skype with some nvda commands?
I read the tutorial and I am really really having trouble grasping
the object navigation commands and the way object navigation works.
the I did re listen to the tutorial on the objects and navigating
them but I still can't seem to grasp it.
really really want to go to nvda intirely but I need some help with
the object navigation
my skype is
hank.smith88
thanks
Hank







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Shaun,
Does using local NVDA Remote servers help in any way, i.e. by
increasing the speed of relaying commands or something, or what is the
practical effect of having servers dedicated to countries?
Just curious...
Thanks.

On 3/31/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@icloud.com> wrote:
Gene

Thank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn't
visited it. It's an invaluable resource. Thank you.
Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 16:28, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Ben

The user manual for nvda remote can be found under the help section for
the add on in the nvda add on manager.

If you are interested, a while back I did a audio and also a written
tutorial on using it. It can be found on the nvda audio tutorials page
at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
When you get there jump down by headings to the section that refers to
NVDA remote.
It starts below this heading called How to provide assistance to another
NVDA user (using the NVDA Remote Support add-on)

It should be easy enough to follow. Again it is in both written and you
can listen to a audio version.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 31-Mar-16 12:17 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote
servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for
more they want to put servers world wide eventually.
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net





--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


winamp book marks?

 

Hello is there a feature or a add on for nvda for winamp that would allow some one to book mark points in a file and be able to jump to that book mark like you can in jaws?
thanks
Hank


stationplaylist developer add on website?

 

Hello I am unable to find the email that has the unstable developer version of stationplaylist studio can I please get the address?
I am using version 5.0 of station playlist
thanks
Hank


Re: FW: Chrome updates

Gene
 

Perhaps someone with the technical knowledge might explain why the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer seems to be different than working with an actual physical mouse.  As I understand it, when you move the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer, you are actually moving whatever the physical mouse moves internally.  I don't know enough to know how to express that accurately.  But it appears there are times you can get information with the physical mouse and NVDA that you can't get with the JAWS or Window-eyes mouse movement commands. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Chrome updates

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:58 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I think I remember having to do a slow glide with the mouse one time but I don't recall what I was trying to find. There are times when a physical mouse does come in handy.

It was really, really interesting to me when I started playing with NVDA because, to my knowledge, it is the only screen reader that has the mouse tracking feature and that behaves as NVDA does in response to actual mouse movement.  I understand why, both for practical and historical reasons, the mouse has been a non-entity in the screen-reader-user world.  A good friend of mine refers to it as "the rodent," which I've always found extremely amusing.

But, with the advent of touch screens, where the finger is acting as a direct "mouse pointer" it's clear to me that the concepts that NVDA is using with mouse tracking will map, but in a very functional way, to finger travel on the touch screen.  My clients who use smartphones don't find it peculiar at all to use the touch screen with their finger even though they can't see it, because the finger position covers the actual screen territory.  With a mouse pad there's a "smaller to larger" mapping that's not directly intuitive and you can (and do) fall off the edge and sometimes re-emerge on the other if you go to far.  That's even worse with a conventional mouse and monitor.  The correspondence between a touch screen and "finger pointer" is more direct, tactile, and visceral.

I foresee the use of "mouse tracking" as applied to finger pointing as having huge potential to allow a person to explore a screen quickly, and at random locations, should they wish to do so.  There's a huge power in that and it's not being tapped on a routine basis as things stand now.

Brian



Re: nvda remote unofficial servers

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Gene

Thank you for that site. I had heard of it before, but I just hadn't visited it. It's an invaluable resource. Thank you.
Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 16:28, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Ben

The user manual for nvda remote can be found under the help section for
the add on in the nvda add on manager.

If you are interested, a while back I did a audio and also a written
tutorial on using it. It can be found on the nvda audio tutorials page
at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
When you get there jump down by headings to the section that refers to
NVDA remote.
It starts below this heading called How to provide assistance to another
NVDA user (using the NVDA Remote Support add-on)

It should be easy enough to follow. Again it is in both written and you
can listen to a audio version.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 31-Mar-16 12:17 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
is there a tutorial on how to use NVDA Remote?

Ben
On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.
well I just read this on twitter but there are some unofficial remote servers.
nvdaremote.com is the main server.
nvra.me is the server list there are 16 servers and could be room for more they want to put servers world wide eventually.
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net