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Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Any software can be made into spyware, look at the blindextra addon.

Or lets look at the get windows 10 app, it was spyware, malware, probably ransomware of a sort but it was legal.

Its gone now, ms did get in trouble over it but it continued for some times.

All those extra privacy and spying things going on from other companies yet users put up with some and not others.

So my only opinion on this is it will differ between people what is and what isn't offensive to them in this respect if I am making any sence.

On 25/05/2017 5:26 a.m., Gene wrote:
The article makes interesting points but it's really overdone. Here is most of a message I sent to another list on the subject. I have added more comments.

The assertion that a screen-reader can make a great piece of spyware sounds plausible to me, someone without in depth technical knowledge. I suspect that it is technically true but I hardly think that VFO would risk the reputation of JAWS by doing so. It would be illegal on its face, I would think and it would certainly be illegal if it weren't spelled out in the user agreement. JAWS is very heavily dependent on business use for its revenue. As one example of liability, if JAWS collected information, anyone business or individual doing medical work in The United States where a person's name is ever used, could prosecute VFO for violating the patient privacy act. And that's just one example that comes to mind. Are there blind psychiatrists or psychologists or social workers or people who work for them who use JAWS to keep patient records? Another case of devastating liability for JAWS. How about lawyers? The idea that the owners of JAWS would turn it into spyware is just not credible. To paraphrase the late Justice Scalia, it should strain the credulity of the credulous. People may criticize JAWS and its developers for various reasons but it makes no sense to believe that the company is suicidal.

And what is the risk when compared to the benefits? The blind user base isn't large enough nore affluent enough to even begin to justify such risks, even if the company were suicidal.

I'd have to read the article again to see if I disagree with other assertions, but that was the one I really remember. There is no question that NVDA is a necessary program and that it fills a vital need in many peoples' lives. And over time, JAWS will, I would think, lose an increasing amount of market share in the personal market. It may lose some business market share over time as well. But when assessing the need for NVDA and its future, paranoia about the irrationality of the major competitor is not a good basis to build a good deal of the argument.

If you make such assertions, you lose credibility for your assertions that are well based. And even here, one assertion I recall is possible but highly improbable at this time. The assertion that JAWS is more likely to disappear may be correct, but its highly improbable unless things change dramatically and it should be regarded more as a remote possibility and largely academic at this time.

There are lots of compelling arguments to support and use NVDA. But such arguments as make up much of this article, while interesting and provocative, are so far-fetched, even though possible, that they are not a good basis to form much of such arguments. They may gain support for NVDA among some people but they may needlessly erode support among some JAWS users, making NVDA appear more like a project supported by paranoid fanatics than what it actually is, a project that is hard-headed and realistic in its development and outlook.

Gene
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I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it


and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!


Devin Prater
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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian


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From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>

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> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

>

>

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

>

>

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

>

> Ollie

>

>

>

>

>

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>>

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>








Brltty with Windows 10 Creators update

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

I am an experienced user of brltty in both Linux and Windows 7. (I use Windows 7 at my job but not at home.) In Windows I use it with NVDA because the versions I’ve downloaded in the past never worked with my 64-bit Windows 7 without NVDA being present.
 
Now that I’ve got the Creators’ update with Windows 10 on my home laptop, I’m wondering what others’ experience is getting it to work with NVDA. So far I’ve had no success.
 
I confirmed my laptop had no previous version of Brltty installed and certainly no Brlapi services that might run to confuse things.
 
I next exited NVDA, ran Narrator, went to Narrator settings under the full Ease of Access settings accessed with Windows I.
 
I tabbed over to Braille, and chose Install Braille. A terminal with some program whose name I didn’t catch ran.
 
Now in Narrator settings, there’s a check box for enable Braille that’s checked. I also had to choose a display. I have several old displays that do work with Brltty and NVDA under Windows 7 on my computers in my job.  I selected one of these and made it the default.
 
I rebooted, and looked at the settings dialog for Braille with NVDA , and then exited NVDA and used Narrator to look at the same settings. I exited narrator and used JAWS to also examine the settings. All looks good; Braille is enabled and I currently have a Fredom Scientific Focus blue set as my default display and the Freedom Scientific drivers are disabled and the Braille libusb drivers are enabled. Brltty is installed in /windows/bin, whereas under windows 7 it’s installed in program files (x86), but the /etc/brltty.conf is correctly configured for my focus blue.
 
I’m still not getting any Braille, either in Narrator or Nvda. I am not getting Braille with JAWS either, but that’s because I disabled the freedom scientific drivers as instructed in Chapter 7 of Microsoft’s newest guide to using Narrator.
 
My ultimate goal is to use a TSI PowerBraille with both NVDA and narrator on this laptop, since I have several I bought on ebay and they work well.
 
Has anyone gotten Braille working under Windows 10 and also gotten NVDA to use this new Microsoft version of Brltty?
 
Thanks.
 
--Debee
 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Kevin Cussick
 

Yes agreed, we need to think before we post sometimes.

On 24/05/2017 19:05, Kwork wrote:
And I also believe that the best way to talk up NVDA isn't to tell VFO to shove it, and we, as grateful NVDA users, need to watch how we present ourselves so that we don't look ridiculous.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:26 AM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA
The article makes interesting points but it's really overdone. Here is most of a message I sent to another list on the subject. I have added more comments.
The assertion that a screen-reader can make a great piece of spyware sounds plausible to me, someone without in depth technical knowledge. I suspect that it is technically true but I hardly think that VFO would risk the reputation of JAWS by doing so. It would be illegal on its face, I would think and it would certainly be illegal if it weren't spelled out in the user agreement. JAWS is very heavily dependent on business use for its revenue. As one example of liability, if JAWS collected information, anyone business or individual doing medical work in The United States where a person's name is ever used, could prosecute VFO for violating the patient privacy act. And that's just one example that comes to mind. Are there blind psychiatrists or psychologists or social workers or people who work for them who use JAWS to keep patient records? Another case of devastating liability for JAWS. How about lawyers? The idea that the owners of JAWS would turn it into spyware is just not credible. To paraphrase the late Justice Scalia, it should strain the credulity of the credulous. People may criticize JAWS and its developers for various reasons but it makes no sense to believe that the company is suicidal.
And what is the risk when compared to the benefits? The blind user base isn't large enough nore affluent enough to even begin to justify such risks, even if the company were suicidal.
I'd have to read the article again to see if I disagree with other assertions, but that was the one I really remember. There is no question that NVDA is a necessary program and that it fills a vital need in many peoples' lives. And over time, JAWS will, I would think, lose an increasing amount of market share in the personal market. It may lose some business market share over time as well. But when assessing the need for NVDA and its future, paranoia about the irrationality of the major competitor is not a good basis to build a good deal of the argument.
If you make such assertions, you lose credibility for your assertions that are well based. And even here, one assertion I recall is possible but highly improbable at this time. The assertion that JAWS is more likely to disappear may be correct, but its highly improbable unless things change dramatically and it should be regarded more as a remote possibility and largely academic at this time.
There are lots of compelling arguments to support and use NVDA. But such arguments as make up much of this article, while interesting and provocative, are so far-fetched, even though possible, that they are not a good basis to form much of such arguments. They may gain support for NVDA among some people but they may needlessly erode support among some JAWS users, making NVDA appear more like a project supported by paranoid fanatics than what it actually is, a project that is hard-headed and realistic in its development and outlook.
Gene
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I have to agree
lets tell vfo where to shove it
and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda
On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

Devin Prater
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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I
think I

won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll
make

an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which

you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

enes sarıbaş
 

because it is in it's extended support phase.


On 5/24/2017 9:36 PM, Dennis L wrote:

If it’s outdated why does Microsoft update it and fix bugs with patches?  Why is Firefox better in your opinion?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 

 

Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 

 

You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  

 

I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 



Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

yes, definitely, I had already seen this, and agree 100%

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


I agree a very well written article.


I enjoyed the read.


Gene nz



On 24/05/2017 9:47 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
> which you can read here.
>
> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/
>
>
>
>

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Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Gene
 

You can't use Webvisum so I advise people to have an older version of Firefox portable for use with pages where they want to use Webvisum and to use a current version of Firefox on all other pages.
 
I generally don't use the view feature so I can't tell you all the details but to start it, go to a web page with an article, then open the view menu, alt v and then up arrow, I believe, once. 
You will see something that says something like reading view.  Press enter.  Now look at how the page has changed or just try readingt from the top. 
 
I don't recall if the feature automatically turns off when you open another page but you can turn it off in the view menu if you want to.  I'm quite sure it automatically turns off when you close and open the browser again as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

How do you use the feature if you’re trying to read an article?   Also is it true with the latest Firefox you can’t use WebVvisum?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

It doesn't fix bugs.  The only thing it does is provide security updates.  It provides such support because many people can't use Edge yet because they don't use Windows 10.  Also, Edge is not fully accessible yet.  But no technical improvements have been made in Internet Explorer for years.  It is really legacy software that gets security fixes at this point.

 

One feature firefox has that some blind people find useful is one that removes lots of extraneous material from web pages with articles on them such as newspaper or magazine articles. 

 

Another feature I very much like is searchable book marks.  I don't worry about organizing book marks.  I can search for the one I want so easily that if it is inconvenient to get to it by arrowing or by first letter navigation, I do a search.  I don't use addons to any extent but Firefox has a lot of add ons.  Internet Explorer doesn't have many. 

 

And I suspect that Internet Explorer, as it ages, works more poorly on more sites than firefox or Chrome.  Also, Internet Explorer supports Active X controls which are a needless security risk.  Neither Firefox nor Chrome support Active X controls by default and site designers don't use them these days.  But Internet Explorer still supports them, providing a useless feature, that serves as a vector to try to put malware onto machines.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

If it’s outdated why does Microsoft update it and fix bugs with patches?  Why is Firefox better in your opinion?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 

 

Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 

 

You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  

 

I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017 error

Tyler Spivey
 

Uninstalling NVDA won't fix this, because it doesn't delete the user configuration.
The easiest way to fix this is:
1. Press Windows+r to bring up the Run dialog.
2. Type: %appdata%\nvda
3. Press enter.
4. Find nvda.ini and delete it.

This won't remove your addons, just the configuration file which tells NVDA which synthesizer is currently active.

On 5/24/2017 10:38 AM, George McDermith - CDLE wrote:
Greetings all,



I am an adaptive technology instructor in Colorado, and
am attempting to use NVDA to meet client needs.



While attempting to demonstrate NVDA on a PC with
multiple accounts I was changing the built in voices and received an
error message saying I needed to enter a password in order to use the
True Voice selected. The dialog box continued to reappear despite trying
to dismiss it, and NVDA was subsequently unresponsive. I have attempted
removing NVDA from all the accounts on the computer, reinstalling it
from the web site, and I continue to get the same error message.



Anyone have any work arounds or ideas? My thanks for the
assistance.



George McDermith

Adaptive Technology Specialist

Phone: 303-866-4999



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Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

How do you use the feature if you’re trying to read an article?   Also is it true with the latest Firefox you can’t use WebVvisum?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

It doesn't fix bugs.  The only thing it does is provide security updates.  It provides such support because many people can't use Edge yet because they don't use Windows 10.  Also, Edge is not fully accessible yet.  But no technical improvements have been made in Internet Explorer for years.  It is really legacy software that gets security fixes at this point.

 

One feature firefox has that some blind people find useful is one that removes lots of extraneous material from web pages with articles on them such as newspaper or magazine articles. 

 

Another feature I very much like is searchable book marks.  I don't worry about organizing book marks.  I can search for the one I want so easily that if it is inconvenient to get to it by arrowing or by first letter navigation, I do a search.  I don't use addons to any extent but Firefox has a lot of add ons.  Internet Explorer doesn't have many. 

 

And I suspect that Internet Explorer, as it ages, works more poorly on more sites than firefox or Chrome.  Also, Internet Explorer supports Active X controls which are a needless security risk.  Neither Firefox nor Chrome support Active X controls by default and site designers don't use them these days.  But Internet Explorer still supports them, providing a useless feature, that serves as a vector to try to put malware onto machines.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:36 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

If it’s outdated why does Microsoft update it and fix bugs with patches?  Why is Firefox better in your opinion?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 

 

Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 

 

You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  

 

I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Gene
 

It doesn't fix bugs.  The only thing it does is provide security updates.  It provides such support because many people can't use Edge yet because they don't use Windows 10.  Also, Edge is not fully accessible yet.  But no technical improvements have been made in Internet Explorer for years.  It is really legacy software that gets security fixes at this point.
 
One feature firefox has that some blind people find useful is one that removes lots of extraneous material from web pages with articles on them such as newspaper or magazine articles. 
 
Another feature I very much like is searchable book marks.  I don't worry about organizing book marks.  I can search for the one I want so easily that if it is inconvenient to get to it by arrowing or by first letter navigation, I do a search.  I don't use addons to any extent but Firefox has a lot of add ons.  Internet Explorer doesn't have many. 
 
And I suspect that Internet Explorer, as it ages, works more poorly on more sites than firefox or Chrome.  Also, Internet Explorer supports Active X controls which are a needless security risk.  Neither Firefox nor Chrome support Active X controls by default and site designers don't use them these days.  But Internet Explorer still supports them, providing a useless feature, that serves as a vector to try to put malware onto machines.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

If it’s outdated why does Microsoft update it and fix bugs with patches?  Why is Firefox better in your opinion?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 

 

Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 

 

You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  

 

I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017 error

John Hedges
 

TrueVoice is often licensed to ZoomText. It is not available to other apps. Defaulting to eSpeak or Microsoft TTS 5 will work.

 

John

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017 error

 

That True Voice is not tied to any other software?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: George McDermith - CDLE
Data: 24 de maio de 2017 18:38
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] NVDA 2017 error



                Greetings all,



                I am an adaptive technology instructor in Colorado, and am
attempting to use NVDA to meet client needs.



                While attempting to demonstrate NVDA on a PC with multiple
accounts I was changing the built in voices and received an error message
saying I needed to enter a password in order to use the True Voice selected.
The dialog box continued to reappear despite trying to dismiss it, and NVDA
was subsequently unresponsive. I have attempted removing NVDA from all the
accounts on the computer, reinstalling it from the web site, and I continue
to get the same error message.



                Anyone have any work arounds or ideas? My thanks for the
assistance.



George McDermith

Adaptive Technology Specialist

Phone:  303-866-4999



2211 West Evans Avenue Bldg A

Denver, CO  80223

Please click here to tell us how we’re doing.



 





Re: NVDA 2017 error

Rui Fontes
 

That True Voice is not tied to any other software?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: George McDermith - CDLE
Data: 24 de maio de 2017 18:38
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] NVDA 2017 error



Greetings all,



I am an adaptive technology instructor in Colorado, and am attempting to use NVDA to meet client needs.



While attempting to demonstrate NVDA on a PC with multiple accounts I was changing the built in voices and received an error message saying I needed to enter a password in order to use the True Voice selected. The dialog box continued to reappear despite trying to dismiss it, and NVDA was subsequently unresponsive. I have attempted removing NVDA from all the accounts on the computer, reinstalling it from the web site, and I continue to get the same error message.



Anyone have any work arounds or ideas? My thanks for the assistance.



George McDermith

Adaptive Technology Specialist

Phone: 303-866-4999



2211 West Evans Avenue Bldg A

Denver, CO 80223

Please click here to tell us how we’re doing.


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it matters...
In Windows Live Mail NVDA announces the number of unread messages...

WLM
2012 (16.4.3563.0918) and Windows 10 Creators

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Dennis L
Data: 24 de maio de 2017 18:57
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

As for the mail app it should be outlook express to outlook to thunderbird it shouldn't matter the mail app. I'm using windows7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Your message is not clear!

What Windows?
What mail application?

Without details like that, is difficult to fix...

Regards,

Rui


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind Sent from Mail for windows 10





From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I
think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll
make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


NVDA 2017 error

George McDermith - CDLE
 

                Greetings all,

 

                I am an adaptive technology instructor in Colorado, and am attempting to use NVDA to meet client needs.

 

                While attempting to demonstrate NVDA on a PC with multiple accounts I was changing the built in voices and received an error message saying I needed to enter a password in order to use the True Voice selected. The dialog box continued to reappear despite trying to dismiss it, and NVDA was subsequently unresponsive. I have attempted removing NVDA from all the accounts on the computer, reinstalling it from the web site, and I continue to get the same error message.

 

                Anyone have any work arounds or ideas? My thanks for the assistance.

 

George McDermith

Adaptive Technology Specialist

Phone:  303-866-4999

 

2211 West Evans Avenue Bldg A

Denver, CO  80223

Please click here to tell us how we’re doing.

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

If it’s outdated why does Microsoft update it and fix bugs with patches?  Why is Firefox better in your opinion?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 

 

Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 

 

You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  

 

I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Gene
 

One bug on one site is hardly a reason not to donate.  Demanding users of any screen-reader probably are aware of at least one bugg in whatever screen-reader they use. 
 
Internet Explorer is increasingly archaic and it isn't a good idea to cling to it.  You will have more and more problems over time as it becomes increasingly outdated.  I have no objection to this bug being looked into.  But I'm saying that Internet Explorer is not being developed and hasn't been for years.  Other browsers are just about identical to use for browsing.  Browse mode is browse mode in any browser that supports it. 
 
You have to learn something about working with settings in different browsers because the actual interface is different but there isn't much to learn whether you use Chrome or Firefox as the main browser.  Most of what you do will be exactly the same.  And Firefox has features that Internet Explorer doesn't have that are of real advantage to many users if you know them.  I would never go back to Internet Explorer after seeing how useful certain firefox features are.  
 
I try to encourage blind people to stop using Internet Explorer as their main browser because it is not a good idea to do so with a browser that becomes more outdated every day.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: how to make links appear on a separate line

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I don’t know all the preferences and wasn’t sure what one it was it’s fixed now.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

 

Once you set it, if you have NVDA set to save settings on exit, the setting will be saved.  If you don't, save the setting with control NVDA key c.  That command can be used to save any settings you make that you want to keep.  Getting to and changing the setting the long way does exactly the same thing as the short way.  You still have to save the setting.  Have you looked through the preferences menu and have you opened submenus to see what is in the various dialogs?  All settings that are generally wanted by the user are in preferences in the submenus there.  If you don't know how to look around in preferences, you need instructions for every setting you may want to change, which is very cumbersome.

 

Genee

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:34 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

 

How do you set it so you don’t have to do that all the time there were instructions previously given but my computer crashed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hector Elias
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

 

Hello:

The NVDA+v will toggle this feature on and off. However, when its off, it will place the link or the object in a separate line. When its on, it will use the visual layout of the page. Hope this helps.


Hector;

 

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I think its the other way around I posted how to get to the actually setting to set the default.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line


Hi


Try while in the browser the NVDA key + letter V


It will toggle between screen layout on and off.


When it is on if i remember right it puts the link on a seperate line.


And the other way on the one line.


Gene nz



On 24/05/2017 4:17 PM, Dennis L wrote:
Hi, how do you prevent  links from appearing on the same line?  I saw this before but my computer crashed and I lost how to fix this.


--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


 


Re: how to make links appear on a separate line

Gene
 

Once you set it, if you have NVDA set to save settings on exit, the setting will be saved.  If you don't, save the setting with control NVDA key c.  That command can be used to save any settings you make that you want to keep.  Getting to and changing the setting the long way does exactly the same thing as the short way.  You still have to save the setting.  Have you looked through the preferences menu and have you opened submenus to see what is in the various dialogs?  All settings that are generally wanted by the user are in preferences in the submenus there.  If you don't know how to look around in preferences, you need instructions for every setting you may want to change, which is very cumbersome.
 
Genee

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

How do you set it so you don’t have to do that all the time there were instructions previously given but my computer crashed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hector Elias
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

 

Hello:

The NVDA+v will toggle this feature on and off. However, when its off, it will place the link or the object in a separate line. When its on, it will use the visual layout of the page. Hope this helps.


Hector;

 

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

I think its the other way around I posted how to get to the actually setting to set the default.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line


Hi


Try while in the browser the NVDA key + letter V


It will toggle between screen layout on and off.


When it is on if i remember right it puts the link on a seperate line.


And the other way on the one line.


Gene nz



On 24/05/2017 4:17 PM, Dennis L wrote:
Hi, how do you prevent  links from appearing on the same line?  I saw this before but my computer crashed and I lost how to fix this.


--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -



 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Kwork
 


And I also believe that the best way to talk up NVDA isn't to tell VFO to shove it, and we, as grateful NVDA users, need to watch how we present ourselves so that we don't look ridiculous.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

The article makes interesting points but it's really overdone.  Here is most of a message I sent to another list on the subject.  I have added more comments. 
 
The assertion that a screen-reader can make a great piece of spyware sounds plausible to me, someone without in depth technical knowledge.  I suspect that it is technically true but I hardly think that VFO would risk the reputation of JAWS by doing so.  It would be illegal on its face, I would think and it would certainly be illegal if it weren't spelled out in the user agreement.  JAWS is very heavily dependent on business use for its revenue.  As one example of liability, if JAWS collected information, anyone business or individual doing medical work in The United States where a person's name is ever used, could prosecute VFO for violating the patient privacy act.  And that's just one example that comes to mind.  Are there blind psychiatrists or psychologists or social workers or people who work for them who use JAWS to keep patient records?  Another case of devastating liability for JAWS.  How about lawyers?  The idea that the owners of JAWS would turn it into spyware is just not credible.  To paraphrase the late Justice Scalia, it should strain the credulity of the credulous.  People may criticize JAWS and its developers for various reasons but it makes no sense to believe that the company is suicidal. 
 
And what is the risk when compared to the benefits?  The blind user base isn't large enough nore affluent enough to even begin to justify such risks, even if the company were suicidal. 
 
I'd have to read the article again to see if I disagree with other assertions, but that was the one I really remember.  There is no question that NVDA is a necessary program and that it fills a vital need in many peoples' lives.  And over time, JAWS will, I would think, lose an increasing amount of market share in the personal market.  It may lose some business market share over time as well.  But when assessing the need for NVDA and its future, paranoia about the irrationality of the major competitor is not a good basis to build a good deal of the argument. 
 
If you make such assertions, you lose credibility for your assertions that are well based.  And even here, one assertion I recall is possible but highly improbable at this time.  The assertion that JAWS is more likely to disappear may be correct, but its highly improbable unless things change dramatically and it should be regarded more as a remote possibility and largely academic at this time. 
 
There are lots of compelling arguments to support and use NVDA.  But such arguments as make up much of this article, while interesting and provocative, are so far-fetched, even though possible, that they are not a good basis to form much of such arguments.  They may gain support for NVDA among some people but they may needlessly erode support among some JAWS users, making NVDA appear more like a project supported by paranoid fanatics than what it actually is, a project that is hard-headed and realistic in its development and outlook.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda
On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 



Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

As for the mail app it should be outlook express to outlook to thunderbird it shouldn't matter the mail app. I'm using windows7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Your message is not clear!

What Windows?
What mail application?

Without details like that, is difficult to fix...

Regards,

Rui


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind Sent from Mail for windows 10





From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I
think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll
make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hi Joseph!

Users should point out the problems, that is a must...

But, when I, and not only me, point out problems in Windows Live Mail, ok, it is a descontinued product, but is one of the most used mail apps by brazilian and portuguese comunity, and brazilian is by far the largest NVDA comunity, all problems remain without solution because is a descontinued app or with so low priority that never will be looked...

Regards, and, please, do not considere this as a personal criticism to you or NVDA team, but only as a outdurst!

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Joseph Lee
Data: 24 de maio de 2017 17:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA



Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10





From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/