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New nvda sounds

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I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
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Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

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Well, I don't know about later operating systems but when I used to go around demonstrating screenreaders I had Supernova, window Eyes Jaws and Nvda all installed on an xp machine All limited deemos though. I found of these the most annoying one was Jaws as wen shut down it tended to leave things a bit confused for another screenreader unless you rebooted the machine.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Kiebdaj" <fiddle.pup@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed


Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally



Re: Power Media player or Power DVD

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Agreed. It seems a very grey area. I've mostly given up on dvds.
Back in th e day bbc were advocating a talking menu system for all dvds, but this seems to have gone out of the window.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Power Media player or Power DVD


To be honest for the ultra encripted dvds I use windows media player and fiddle with the dvd menus that way.

Thats mostly the startrek paramount stuff and some soni, bbc and the rest of it.

For 99.9% of all dvds I use dvd audio extracter.

Its I think 40 bucks but it extracts the audio in lots or from file by file.

One thing that really gets my goat is for example you buy or get a dvd from somewhere.

Then you can't just play it that easily, you need to crack the disk to get the files.

And for those that I have to bother with to get working I watch once then put on a shelf.

On the other hand if I can crack them then I can play the files where I wish.

I know there is a risk but its a pitty that there isn't another way for the blind to get access to audio described content in a way that the sighted can enjoy the same content while you muck round with your content.




On 31/05/2017 11:44 a.m., Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
How do you watch movies on your computer using Power media player or Power DVD? What I mean is how can you get the DVD to play? Are there key commands you can use to navigate the disk? If so, how do you access those commands?
Thanks
Chris




Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Thanks guys, that's good to know.


I thought I remembered having trouble with this on a work computer once but that machine was a custom build of windows and probably the least stable thing I've ever used.


Will try the install this evening after class... just in case. :)


Cheers,

Sally

On 5/31/2017 6:47 AM, Thomas Stivers wrote:
In my experience you will have no trouble with both NVDA and Window-Eyes installed side by side. The main problem you will have is that the doubled speech can be confusing if they are actually running at the same time.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally







Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Thomas Stivers
 

In my experience you will have no trouble with both NVDA and Window-Eyes installed side by side. The main problem you will have is that the doubled speech can be confusing if they are actually running at the same time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Peter Beasley
 

You won't have any problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally


Re: Reading the Windows Explorer Window

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Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Milam" <milamj@wfu.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window


Hi All,



In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue where
NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
arrow up and down through listviews. Is anyone else seeing this?



Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: soft-voice and objPad comments

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More or less I think. I'm not sure which I prefer, all obj pad does is 2ds a 3D view which if all you are after is to find a particularly awkward control is fine. I do not know enough about the Jaws cursor to know how much like it it is, but I seem to recall that can be a bit like swinging the mouse about a screen but with keys not a mouse.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments


I haven't used ObjPad but I don't think your description is accurate. The documentation appears to indicate that it allows moving through objects without respect to their position in the tree, if that is a proper way to put it, in other words, without respect to whether they are parent or child. You evidently don't have to move into a child object to move through it. But that is not the same as screen review and there are times when you see something in screen review you don't in object navigation. the opposite is also true depending on how a program is designed.

It is important not to provide misleading information when describing something.

You may be enthusiastic about the add on because you don't like using object navigation as it is implemented in NVDA itself. But my preference is to see how things are organized. You are making it sound as though the add on somehow does more than object navigation in NVDA. It appears to me that that isn't true. It just does it differently.

Others will, I hope, indicate whether my understanding is correct.

Gene
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From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments


Upon using objPad for a bit I can say that it is excellent at what it
does! I wanted a jaws-like-cursor for NVDA? I got one and in fact its so
awesome because it takes the old jaws cursor along with the jaws touch
cursor and rolls them into one yet its even easier to use! I really
really like objPad and will be telling everyone about it. And I may have
found another free synthesizer addon for NVDA for all of us to use. For
personal use only, not commercial use... It is called soft-voice and it
sounds similar to eloquence but better than eSpeak. I have one or two
more things to check out with the soft-voice tts makers but once I do
and everything is go then I'll let all of you know the final verdict on
soft-voice tts. I can tell you that it sounds a bit like eloquence but
it only supports english and spanish languages. and that it has a bunch
of interesting novelty voices along with the normal voices and its very
small and fast and responsive. I will not post it here though until I'm
certain its fine with the authors.


installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally


Re: NVDA with Edge browser

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Its supposed to be more secure, but I still find it awkward for downloads and some other things and prefer Firefox as it runs on older systems as well and has a well known interface.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser


I am finding that the latest version of NVDA works pretty well with the Edge browser. Guess my question now is what advantages does the Edge browser have over any other browser? Maybe a tutorial for Edge is out there somewhere that would answer such questions. I would like to get away from using the IE browser as it crashes more than Firefox or ?Google Chrome.
I really appreciate all the people who work on the development of NVDA.
Thanks


Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

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As I and others have said, you can find out what you ar running by bringing up the menu with nvda/n and going to help and about
Or you could use the check for updates on the help menu. If there is an update and its not been flagged automatically after a few days, then you may find automatic updates is turned of in one of the preferences settings.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update


Hello, everyone.



I'm very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list
a week or so ago.



I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I'm not sure how to know what
version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.



Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?



Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




Re: Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

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Nvda already does this on itself of course.
It did it yesterday, and on machines running snapshots has been known to do it daily. Not sure about add ons but that is being worked on. sometimes you do not want to update as some funtions cause issues on some operating systems so you do need to be careful.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@jardata.biz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns


Hello!

I would like to see NVDA have an automatic downloading and installing of each latest update while NVDA is running and it would be good if all of the latest new AddOns would be gathered up or collected in one folder and also automatically downloaded and installed once every three months, which means us amatures would be able to get the latest updates and AddOns automatically and would not miss out on important updates and AddOns; I often don’t know which updates and/or AddOns to download and install, sometimes missing them altogether, so this practice would help me immensely in keeping up to date with the development of NVDA, as it strives to keep pace with Windows 10 development; maybe this is a bit unrealistic but it could work and benefit all of us NVDA users; in order to facilitate financial donations, NVDA users could subscribe to email notifications with financial request adds in the emails and a checkbox could be added somewhere in NVDA to turn this feature on or off and give people automatic donations in whichever amount they wish; I know I am acting lazy here but many new NVDA users could be helped by knowing he or she has the most current product available; and I think you guys for listening to me on this matter.


Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, President
Jardata Corporation


Podcast standards

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I was always under the impression that all podcasts were http, not https.
However the ones I mainly use are http, such as bbc, cool Blind Tech, and audio boom from rnib and our own, it seems that nature have recently decided to put theirs out in https, and therefore they no longer work in Juice.
The question for everyone here is.
Is there an accessible podcast automatic downloader that does handle the https protocol, which is perhaps non standard, but is obviously now creeping in to our world..
Some people tell me, but I cannot actually prove it, that Apples podcasts are https, and this might well be why they are going down this route.
Anyone have any experience on windows of this problem as of course its got to work with nvda. I do not want to go around installing loads of podcast receivers simply to find all have drawbacks.
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Re: Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi,
 
It is described in the file "Weather Plus First Settings.html", you can find it in the documentation:
NVDA, Preferences, Weather Plus Settings submenu, documentation...
 
Adriano
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

Ok let me explain what I expect and what it didn’t do.  I expect it to check for updates when NVDA is started this didn’t happen.  I didn’t find in help of the add-on an option to check for updateds.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

 

Hi,

 

I can't help you at this point.

To say simply that it "does not work" is insufficient for me.

 

Cheers

Adriano

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

 

The weather one doesn’t work.  I had to manually download and install the add-on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

 

Hi

 

The idea of having the add ons come down automatically or alerting you of the update i do not mind.

 

Joseph has done it with the windows 10 essentials add on and the weather one is slightly different but does the same idea.

I think they are looking into having it done but things have to be worked out.

 

I would rather pick my own add ons and if down the track once installed they alert me of the update then download automatically then install no problem with that.

 

But i do not like the idea of having all add ons even the ones i do not want come down if i do not use them.

 

I am sure when one time i downloaded a copy of window eyes it automatically got them maybe even the ones i did not want.

Some people might not have alot of space on there hard drives.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

On 31/05/2017 1:20 AM, James Robinson wrote:

Hello!

 

I would like to see NVDA have an automatic downloading and installing of each latest update while NVDA is running and it would be good if all of the latest new AddOns would be gathered up or collected in one folder and also automatically downloaded and installed once every three months, which means us amatures would be able to get the latest updates and AddOns automatically and would not miss out on important updates and AddOns; I often don’t know which updates and/or AddOns to download and install, sometimes missing them altogether, so this practice would help me immensely in keeping up to date with the development of NVDA, as it strives to keep pace with Windows 10 development; maybe this is a bit unrealistic but it could work and benefit all of us NVDA users; in order to facilitate financial donations, NVDA users could subscribe to email notifications with financial request adds in the emails and a checkbox could be added somewhere in NVDA to turn this feature on or off and give people automatic donations in whichever amount they wish; I know I am acting lazy here but many new NVDA users could be helped by knowing he or she has the most current product available; and I think you guys for listening to me on this matter.

 

 

Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, President
Jardata Corporation

 

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Re: Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Ok let me explain what I expect and what it didn’t do.  I expect it to check for updates when NVDA is started this didn’t happen.  I didn’t find in help of the add-on an option to check for updateds.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

 

Hi,

 

I can't help you at this point.

To say simply that it "does not work" is insufficient for me.

 

Cheers

Adriano

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

 

The weather one doesn’t work.  I had to manually download and install the add-on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic DownLoading and Installation of NVDA updates and AddOns

 

Hi

 

The idea of having the add ons come down automatically or alerting you of the update i do not mind.

 

Joseph has done it with the windows 10 essentials add on and the weather one is slightly different but does the same idea.

I think they are looking into having it done but things have to be worked out.

 

I would rather pick my own add ons and if down the track once installed they alert me of the update then download automatically then install no problem with that.

 

But i do not like the idea of having all add ons even the ones i do not want come down if i do not use them.

 

I am sure when one time i downloaded a copy of window eyes it automatically got them maybe even the ones i did not want.

Some people might not have alot of space on there hard drives.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

On 31/05/2017 1:20 AM, James Robinson wrote:

Hello!

 

I would like to see NVDA have an automatic downloading and installing of each latest update while NVDA is running and it would be good if all of the latest new AddOns would be gathered up or collected in one folder and also automatically downloaded and installed once every three months, which means us amatures would be able to get the latest updates and AddOns automatically and would not miss out on important updates and AddOns; I often don’t know which updates and/or AddOns to download and install, sometimes missing them altogether, so this practice would help me immensely in keeping up to date with the development of NVDA, as it strives to keep pace with Windows 10 development; maybe this is a bit unrealistic but it could work and benefit all of us NVDA users; in order to facilitate financial donations, NVDA users could subscribe to email notifications with financial request adds in the emails and a checkbox could be added somewhere in NVDA to turn this feature on or off and give people automatic donations in whichever amount they wish; I know I am acting lazy here but many new NVDA users could be helped by knowing he or she has the most current product available; and I think you guys for listening to me on this matter.

 

 

Sincerely,


James Arthur Robinson, President
Jardata Corporation

 

--
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adding an additional site to get weather from in weather plus or creating another add-on

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, could someone create an addon that gets the weather from www.braille.wunderground.com site or give us the option to use this site in weather plus?

 


Re: Weather Plus update available

Rob
 

Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io" <adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Why did you set Bridgetown, bb 56308
This is the correct one: 2353020

Oh yes. But the funny thing is, when I had that set, it still said Alexandria.
Oh well, it's correct now.


Re: Weather Plus update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi Rob,

Why did you set Bridgetown, bb 56308
This is the correct one: 2353020
Alexandria, Douglas, Minnesota, United States, 2353020

Cheers
Adriano

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From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus update available


Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io" <adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
I am very pleased, thank you.

Unfortunately, here in Alexandria, Minnesota, (zip 56308) at 1 in the morning, the addon tells me it's 81 degrees. I think it's probably a fault with the service from which the addon gets its information, but it's still kind of ffunny. In fact, it's 49 degrees (9.6 c.)


Re: Weather Plus update available

Rob
 

Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io" <adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
I am very pleased, thank you.

Unfortunately, here in Alexandria, Minnesota, (zip 56308) at 1 in the morning, the addon tells me it's 81 degrees. I think it's probably a fault with the service from which the addon gets its information, but it's still kind of ffunny. In fact, it's 49 degrees (9.6 c.)


Re: Power Media player or Power DVD

 

Well if anyone is interested its just had a major update.

On 31/05/2017 5:20 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
VLC media player?


Been a while since used it for an actual DVD, but, it's menus offered title navigation, soundtrack selection, etc. etc.?


And, there's an NVDA add-on for it.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-31 03:47, Chris Shook wrote:
Thanks for the help. I'll try using windows media player and see if that works.