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Re: Does anyone read Groups.io via the Web Interface?

Pauline Smith
 

What is your primary way to access computer stuff?  I was just wondering, since you mentioned not using a screen reader as the primary method.  I have never used the web interface for Groups.io, so I'm of no help there.

Pauline


On 4/1/2016 10:01 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Hello All,

          It seems that the vast majority of participants interact with these forums in good, old-fashioned e-mail.  I, however, use the web interface and am in the process of trying to teach myself how to efficiently navigate any given Groups.io page, particularly the main Messages page.  Things are not behaving as I'd expect they should/might when I'm using NVDA.  Some of that is almost certainly ignorance regarding NVDA features, as I'm much newer to NVDA than I am to JAWS, but some of it is also the fact that I don't use a screen reader for my primary access and I think the actual pages are structured in a way that I wouldn't expect or don't understand.

          Here's one example, when I try brute force TABbing to try to navigate to the link column on the upper left of the page containing the "control block" of links for Home, Messages, Post, Calendar, Hangout, and Subscription, I do not land in these directly after the dropdown that announces my name and would give me the option of editing my Profile or Logging out.  I would have expected these to be the "logical nexts" in page traversal, but they're not (or I'm doing something wrong).

         When I begin reading messages I also have not yet figured out how to jump forward to the next message in the forum with ease, and given that bottom quoting can be quite extensive that's something that anyone reading a forum such as this one would need to be able to do.

         There are features of the web interface that simply are not available in the e-mail formats, but I can see how the web interface might not be something that would be easily adopted if it is as complicated for full-time screen reader users as it's proving to be for me.

          This conversation could be useful to others who might like to try using the Groups.io web interface to interact with their subscribed groups.  Since I know that there are a number of folks using Gmail's web interface I have to believe that this one is less complicated, just because of how it appears, but I could be entirely wrong.

Brian


Re: Outlook Shared Calendar Support in Office 2013?

Laughing Thunder
 

Also, as a follow up to my previous e-mail, I am trying to use the day view in the calender, and I do not know how to change views yet.

On 4/2/2016 6:37 PM, Laughingthunder wrote:
Hi All,

For work, I am required to access shared Microsoft Exchange calendars
using the copy of Outlook 2013, which is installed on my computer. Does
NVDA support the calender features of Microsoft Outlook? If so, how
well? I have tried to read data on the calenders, but NVDA seems unable
to read some of the data. It's difficult for me to be much more
specific, since Outlook is quite new to me. Hopefully, I'm just missing
something. I am using both the latest version of Outlook 2013, as well
as the latest version of NVDA.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Best.

Outlook Shared Calendar Support in Office 2013?

Laughing Thunder
 

Hi All,

For work, I am required to access shared Microsoft Exchange calendars using the copy of Outlook 2013, which is installed on my computer. Does NVDA support the calender features of Microsoft Outlook? If so, how well? I have tried to read data on the calenders, but NVDA seems unable to read some of the data. It's difficult for me to be much more specific, since Outlook is quite new to me. Hopefully, I'm just missing something. I am using both the latest version of Outlook 2013, as well as the latest version of NVDA.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Best.

Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

David Moore
 

You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the later versions of Firefox. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha available,
the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.





Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

P. Otter
 

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha available, the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.




Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

mk360
 

Thats true. I cast with chrome, I use Firefox for my daily work, and I use IE for the system of documentation on my work, that doesn't work with other browsers. So again is a mater of what is the best option for a particular situation.

Regards,.
mk.

El 02/04/2016 a las 17:20, David Moore escribió:
Hi,
The discussion here is why I use three browsers. Google Chrome does great for certain tasks, Firefox works best for other tasks, and even IE11 does better for other web sites. Therefore, One browser does not work best for everything. For example, Google docs is not even accessible in Chrome, but it is in Firefox and IE. You have to find the browser that works for what you want to do, and have other browsers for other web sites. I work with three browsers in one day depending on what I want to do. Take care and have a great one.
 
 
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
 
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out. For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field. That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot. Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields, text I type sometimes gets scrambled because the caret doesn't move as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect something, and it still says "unknown" with disconcerting frequency. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher
 
 
On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>





Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

David Moore
 

Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.

Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

David Moore
 

Hi,
The discussion here is why I use three browsers. Google Chrome does great for certain tasks, Firefox works best for other tasks, and even IE11 does better for other web sites. Therefore, One browser does not work best for everything. For example, Google docs is not even accessible in Chrome, but it is in Firefox and IE. You have to find the browser that works for what you want to do, and have other browsers for other web sites. I work with three browsers in one day depending on what I want to do. Take care and have a great one.
 
 
 

From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
 
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out. For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field. That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot. Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields, text I type sometimes gets scrambled because the caret doesn't move as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect something, and it still says "unknown" with disconcerting frequency. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher
 
 
On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>




Re: NVDA with iTunes.

Matt Turner
 

Ah, haven't played around with apple music.

On 4/2/2016 2:26 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Don't forget navigating anything in Apple Music.

On 4/1/2016 1:50 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Well, in general, iTunes works fine.
But when you use the store, and lets say are listening to a song to buy, out of nowhere NVDA crashes, and when you restart NVDA iTunes doesn't work, you have to close it, and reopen it.

On 4/1/2016 7:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
When you say crash, what exactly happens and in which version of windows and I tunes. I've not put Itunes on this 7 machine as the latest version never worked on xp and older versions  used to fall over a lot on there.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with iTunes.


It still crashes for me too Matt. Its a pain in the ass. I thought this
was fixed in the master release too.

On 3/31/2016 1:31 PM, Afrim wrote:
Last time I used NVDA, with itunes, it didn't crash.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...
<mailto:meturner2214@...>> wrote:

Hi folks, I've been testing out iTunes with the master version of NVDA.
And it still crashes nvda in the middle of using the iTunes store.
Someone told me about and old nvda log file, but i can't find it.










Re: NVDA with iTunes.

Lino Morales
 

Don't forget navigating anything in Apple Music.

On 4/1/2016 1:50 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Well, in general, iTunes works fine.
But when you use the store, and lets say are listening to a song to buy, out of nowhere NVDA crashes, and when you restart NVDA iTunes doesn't work, you have to close it, and reopen it.

On 4/1/2016 7:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
When you say crash, what exactly happens and in which version of windows and I tunes. I've not put Itunes on this 7 machine as the latest version never worked on xp and older versions  used to fall over a lot on there.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with iTunes.


It still crashes for me too Matt. Its a pain in the ass. I thought this
was fixed in the master release too.

On 3/31/2016 1:31 PM, Afrim wrote:
Last time I used NVDA, with itunes, it didn't crash.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...
<mailto:meturner2214@...>> wrote:

Hi folks, I've been testing out iTunes with the master version of NVDA.
And it still crashes nvda in the middle of using the iTunes store.
Someone told me about and old nvda log file, but i can't find it.









Re: NVDA with iTunes.

Lino Morales
 

Itunes with NVDA 2016.1 WIN 10 64 bit. Don't know how you can help any since you refuse to update to a more modern version of WIN.

On 4/1/2016 7:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
When you say crash, what exactly happens and in which version of windows and I tunes. I've not put Itunes on this 7 machine as the latest version never worked on xp and older versions used to fall over a lot on there.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with iTunes.


It still crashes for me too Matt. Its a pain in the ass. I thought this
was fixed in the master release too.

On 3/31/2016 1:31 PM, Afrim wrote:
Last time I used NVDA, with itunes, it didn't crash.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Matt Turner <meturner2214@...
<mailto:meturner2214@...>> wrote:

Hi folks, I've been testing out iTunes with the master version of NVDA.
And it still crashes nvda in the middle of using the iTunes store.
Someone told me about and old nvda log file, but i can't find it.

Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Based on previous report, I filed 5 bugs on crbug.com:


* [a11y] NVDA - navigating reports previously focused item+currently focused https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600150

* [a11y] NVDA Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600149

* [a11y] NVDA reports "unknown" with disconcerting frequency - 3+ times until Tab-key is pressed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600145#

* [a11y] Autocorrection isn't reported by NVDA and moves caret unexpectedly https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600148

* [a11y] Backspace doesn't speak in contentEditables (e.g. message body in Inbox or GMail) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600146


Please star/comment!


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:11 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>




Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 



On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>




Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out. For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field. That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot. Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields, text I type sometimes gets scrambled because the caret doesn't move as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect something, and it still says "unknown" with disconcerting frequency. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher


On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>




Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Mallard
 

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie

Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.

Re: Does anyone read Groups.io via the Web Interface?

 

I have always used email.
I do have a few forums I use as such but Ii have always done it via mail.

On 2/04/2016 12:02 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I do use email.



On 4/1/2016 9:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
The answer is then in your hands, Use email.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon"
<@supanut2000>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does anyone read Groups.io via the Web Interface?


Since moving from Freelists, I've completely abandon email in favor of
the web interface, and as I posted earlier, bottom-quoting of messages
in full can be annoying, given that Groups.io does not tag the message
subject lines or the sender with any heading levels. Thus to Jaws or
NVDA users navigating long threads full of quoted messages in their
entirety can be time-consuming and annoying.





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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary? 

Canary

What is ChromeVox?

Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?

Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?

Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?

Unchecked


 

I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
Sent: 27 March 2016 22:37
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads, otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts that Google outlines in their manual at https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't work when navigating to hangouts.google.com, and the article doesn't specify where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up to date and I have been having this problem since early December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now for nearly 9 and a half years. 

 

From: mk360

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto google and search for about:config that can help improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 27/3/2016 10:13 寫道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.

 

 

 

 



Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary? 

Canary

What is ChromeVox?

Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?

Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?

Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?

Unchecked


 

I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
Sent: 27 March 2016 22:37
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads, otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts that Google outlines in their manual at https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't work when navigating to hangouts.google.com, and the article doesn't specify where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up to date and I have been having this problem since early December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now for nearly 9 and a half years. 

 

From: mk360

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto google and search for about:config that can help improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 27/3/2016 10:13 寫道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.

 

 

 

 


Re: Test Message

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Got it

On 2 Apr 2016, at 03:50, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:

Just testing to see if the new list will accept my messages. Thank you.

Re: Test Message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Got it.



On 4/1/2016 10:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Got it.



On 4/1/2016 7:50 PM, Peter Chin wrote:
Just testing to see if the new list will accept my messages. Thank you.