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Re: love the new sounds

Andre Fisher
 

The sounds can be turned off as follows:
Start and Exit sounds: General Settings > Play sounds when starting
and exiting NVDA
Browse and focus mode sounds: Browse mode settings > Audio indication
of focus and browse mode sounds
Text spelling error sound: Keyboard settings > Play sounds for spelling errors
Suggestion sounds will be toggleable in the next release as well.

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I did this much earlier in the development of NVDA where, as I recall, such
options aren't available. I think it's a good idea to have a no sounds
option so that sounds can all be turned on or off in one operation if the
user wishes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kara Goldfinch
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 6:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Gene,

You don't have to do this as there are options to turn off most of them.

In general preferences, there's an option to disable the startup and shut
down sounds.

You can turn off the sound that's played to alert you of a spelling error in
document formatting, but keep in mind that this will turn off spelling error
detection completely.

Finally you can replace the browse and focus mode sounds with speech prompts
by going into browse mode options.

Kara











On 01/06/2017 11:43, Gene wrote:


I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short
blank wave files in the sounds folder. I see no reason for any sounds and I
think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want
any. Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd
and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake. Why does one of
the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a
frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord? Why do the start
and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the
intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness. I'm not saying
I like the newer or the older sounds more. As I said, I don't like sounds
in general. but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds
sound as they do should be reconsidered. Maybe a pleasant chord sounding
like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord
should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream
flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be
used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of
a trumpet playing a note.

I'm not advocating for these specific sounds. I'm saying that just odd
sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis
on which to define sounds, in my opinion.

Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds. It might take
sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with
whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original
NVDA sounds.

And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows
and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am
currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder
of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to
test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the
old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we
use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them,
or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can
be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share
the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set
of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis
L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds



I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert
to the old sound scheme for those that want it..




Re: What new sounds

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi can you use these new sounds in 17.2 the latest version of NVDA?
If so how and can you record an example how and what all of these sounds are used for and how they are used.

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Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 3:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] What new sounds

No they are in next snapshots. Its further back in this thread.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] What new sounds


Got the latest NVDA installed and I don't see any differences in any
sounds created by NVDA. What am I missing here?



entering in passwords

Don H
 

One option I would love to see taken from Window Eyes is to have the option to have passwords spoken normally or with NVDA saying star. I am a pretty good typist but if I am going to make a mistake it seems to be when entering passwords with no feedback to what I am entering.
Is there a place where NVDA users formally request future features such as this?
Thanks


Re: love the new sounds

Gene
 

I did this much earlier in the development of NVDA where, as I recall, such options aren't available.  I think it's a good idea to have a no sounds option so that sounds can all be turned on or off in one operation if the user wishes.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds

Gene,

You don't have to do this as there are options to turn off most of them.

In general preferences, there's an option to disable the startup and shut down sounds.

You can turn off the sound that's played to alert you of a spelling error in document formatting, but keep in mind that this will turn off spelling error detection completely.

Finally you can replace the browse and focus mode sounds with speech prompts by going into browse mode options.

Kara




On 01/06/2017 11:43, Gene wrote:

I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short blank wave files in the sounds folder.  I see no reason for any sounds and I think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want any.  Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake.  Why does one of the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord?  Why do the start and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness.  I'm not saying I like the newer or the older sounds more.  As I said, I don't like sounds in general.  but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds sound as they do should be reconsidered.  Maybe a pleasant chord sounding like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of a trumpet playing a note. 
 
I'm not advocating for these specific sounds.  I'm saying that just odd sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis on which to define sounds, in my opinion. 
 
Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds.  It might take sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original NVDA sounds. 
 
And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds

Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds

 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..



Re: moving to NVDA

Gene
 

You would overload the new NVDA user with information.  Try describing or demonstrating object navigation in half a page or one page.  To teach object avigation, it is far better to have a demonstration of what is done, for example, moving around the screen, and then entering a child object and moving around that.  Explanation would be offered but in the context of what is being done.  In other words, the tutorial would have a demonstration of someone using screen review commands to move, moving into a child object and moving through that and an exercise using something on screen to practice with.  But you can't teach these things in a short text based tutorial along with all the other things you want to teach.  If you give someone too much information at one time, that is as discouraging as not giving any, maybe more.  Certain very basic parameters should be offered during installation such as the ability to change the voice and setting whether and how NVDA will run at system boot up.  Actual instruction about using NVDA shouldn't be in this tutorial. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] moving to NVDA

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would
have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice
changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer
wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current 
voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring
up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including
ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices.
It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started
wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as
the default during install and when you first run the installed copy.
and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like
talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object
navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop
with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some
buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would
guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to
find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock
enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup
wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed
the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the
interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete
the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're
ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive
tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement
commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard
would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default
voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and
installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly
downloaded free voice.





Re: love the new sounds

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Gene,

You don't have to do this as there are options to turn off most of them.

In general preferences, there's an option to disable the startup and shut down sounds.

You can turn off the sound that's played to alert you of a spelling error in document formatting, but keep in mind that this will turn off spelling error detection completely.

Finally you can replace the browse and focus mode sounds with speech prompts by going into browse mode options.

Kara




On 01/06/2017 11:43, Gene wrote:

I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short blank wave files in the sounds folder.  I see no reason for any sounds and I think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want any.  Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake.  Why does one of the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord?  Why do the start and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness.  I'm not saying I like the newer or the older sounds more.  As I said, I don't like sounds in general.  but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds sound as they do should be reconsidered.  Maybe a pleasant chord sounding like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of a trumpet playing a note. 
 
I'm not advocating for these specific sounds.  I'm saying that just odd sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis on which to define sounds, in my opinion. 
 
Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds.  It might take sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original NVDA sounds. 
 
And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds

Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds

 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..



Re: love the new sounds

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

I'm glad you like them.
I created the startup and shutdown sounds, and Andre Louis created the rest.

All the best,
Kara

On 31/05/2017 22:11, Dennis L wrote:

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..



Re: love the new sounds

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I would also like to vote for this feature. I don't use the sounds myself.

On June 1, 2017 8:28:44 AM "Laz" <laz@...> wrote:

My vote is for the capability of turning off sounds.

Laz

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short
blank wave files in the sounds folder. I see no reason for any sounds and I
think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want
any. Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd
and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake. Why does one of
the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a
frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord? Why do the start
and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the
intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness. I'm not saying
I like the newer or the older sounds more. As I said, I don't like sounds
in general. but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds
sound as they do should be reconsidered. Maybe a pleasant chord sounding
like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord
should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream
flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be
used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of
a trumpet playing a note.

I'm not advocating for these specific sounds. I'm saying that just odd
sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis
on which to define sounds, in my opinion.

Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds. It might take
sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with
whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original
NVDA sounds.

And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows
and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am
currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder
of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to
test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis's opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old
ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use
with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an
extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don't know whether this can be
done, that's for the developers to decide of course.

That's my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don't all share the
same opinion, that's all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of
sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis
L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds



I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..



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Re: love the new sounds

Laz
 

My vote is for the capability of turning off sounds.

Laz

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short
blank wave files in the sounds folder. I see no reason for any sounds and I
think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want
any. Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd
and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake. Why does one of
the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a
frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord? Why do the start
and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the
intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness. I'm not saying
I like the newer or the older sounds more. As I said, I don't like sounds
in general. but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds
sound as they do should be reconsidered. Maybe a pleasant chord sounding
like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord
should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream
flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be
used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of
a trumpet playing a note.

I'm not advocating for these specific sounds. I'm saying that just odd
sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis
on which to define sounds, in my opinion.

Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds. It might take
sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with
whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original
NVDA sounds.

And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows
and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am
currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder
of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to
test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis's opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old
ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use
with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an
extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don't know whether this can be
done, that's for the developers to decide of course.

That's my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don't all share the
same opinion, that's all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of
sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis
L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds



I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..


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Re: braille note classic nvda support?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
How do I get NVDA to work with my braillenote touch?
No matter what I do, I gett a message about the drivers not being loaded.
How can I fix this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
Yes it does.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello out of curiousity does nvda support the older braille note classics, say from 2003?

I have a brialle note classic that some one gave me and I am wanting to use it as a external braille display, and possibly a external synth

the synth that is uses is

keynote sa

I have a serial to usb adapter and the proper plugs pluged in to the adapter.

thanks

Hank








Re: moving to NVDA

Sally Kiebdaj
 

I have definitely used that to refresh my voice-over, chromevox, and talkback skills. It would definitely smooth the transition.


On Jun 1, 2017 08:01, "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






moving to NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.


Re: New nvda sounds

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
I see your point about the new sounds in the next snapshot not being loud
enough, Brian, so I'd say the sounds from the .zip file you sent us a
Dropbox link to seem like a good compromise for me, more unobtrusive than
the original NVDA sounds but hopefully loud enough for people with hearing
problems to still be able to hear them.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: jeudi 1 juin 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Chuckle..
Try the 'NEXT; branch.
Or for alternatives based on them...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Good luck.
Brian

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From: "Noah Carver via Groups.Io" <carvernoah309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound
change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I
created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...> wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.

From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I thought system access died?


On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal
notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed
somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to
allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on
what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a
long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do
something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and
forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


Re: Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Quentin!  Unfortunately, it just happens randomly.  However, whenever it happens, it impacts Outlook as well.  Perhaps there is an invisible window as Brian indicated, but I am unable to see it if it does exist.  However, when it happens, I can’t navigate at all through Outlook messages, Explorer windows, etc.  It doesn’t seem to impact the web.  Perhaps we can use the Remote feature if you wanted to see it in real time when it happens.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

 

Can you give steps to reproduce?  Does it happen every time you use the arrow keys in the tree view?

 

I haven't got Windows 8.1 in front of me to test with just now, so if I can get as many details as possible for when I can test it that would be great.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

I am, WIN8.1.

Jonathan


-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Milam" <milamj@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window


> Hi All,
>
>
>
> In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue
> where
> NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
> arrow up and down through listviews.  Is anyone else seeing this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>







 

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Re: love the new sounds

Gene
 

I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short blank wave files in the sounds folder.  I see no reason for any sounds and I think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want any.  Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake.  Why does one of the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord?  Why do the start and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness.  I'm not saying I like the newer or the older sounds more.  As I said, I don't like sounds in general.  but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds sound as they do should be reconsidered.  Maybe a pleasant chord sounding like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of a trumpet playing a note. 
 
I'm not advocating for these specific sounds.  I'm saying that just odd sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis on which to define sounds, in my opinion. 
 
Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds.  It might take sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original NVDA sounds. 
 
And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds

Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds

 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: love the new sounds

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds

 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: braille note classic nvda support?

 

Hi,
Yes it does.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello out of curiousity does nvda support the older braille note classics, say from 2003?

I have a brialle note classic that some one gave me and I am wanting to use it as a external braille display, and possibly a external synth

the synth that is uses is

keynote sa

I have a serial to usb adapter and the proper plugs pluged in to the adapter.

thanks

Hank


Re: Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

Quentin Christensen
 

Re Peter's message that Rosemary couldn't read, it said "A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version."

Re Excel 2003, I did get a log from someone (who confirmed that the cell coordinates setting in document formatting was on, and that log does show errors, so at least we've got something to start looking at.  If anyone else has any odd behaviour to investigate, do feel free to throw it my way (or create an issue on GitHub: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues)

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I notice no issues even with auto switching on, so it has probably got also to do with what is being used to display the message. I'm using Outlook express tweaked for windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2



His message is in English, but the language is set to Danish, so
automatic language switching tries to read it in Danish.

There are two ways to get around this:
1. Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA's Voice Settings
dialog. Disabling that will keep the synthesizer in one language, with
the disadvantage that it won't automatically switch for you if you have
a properly marked up document in multiple languages.
2. Switch to a synthesizer that can't switch languages.

On 5/31/2017 10:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Peter,


I can't read this message. It sounds like it's either in another
language or gibberish. I tried both in outlook and thunderbird and the
same thing. Could it be the encoding? I'm not sure what to make of

it.

Rosemarie
On 5/31/2017 2:33 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version.

*From:* Daniel Gartmann <mailto:lists@...k>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2




Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes
when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for
gathering logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel

















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Re: Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

Brian's Mail list account
 

I notice no issues even with auto switching on, so it has probably got also to do with what is being used to display the message. I'm using Outlook express tweaked for windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2


His message is in English, but the language is set to Danish, so
automatic language switching tries to read it in Danish.

There are two ways to get around this:
1. Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA's Voice Settings
dialog. Disabling that will keep the synthesizer in one language, with
the disadvantage that it won't automatically switch for you if you have
a properly marked up document in multiple languages.
2. Switch to a synthesizer that can't switch languages.

On 5/31/2017 10:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Peter,


I can't read this message. It sounds like it's either in another
language or gibberish. I tried both in outlook and thunderbird and the
same thing. Could it be the encoding? I'm not sure what to make of

it.

Rosemarie
On 5/31/2017 2:33 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version.

*From:* Daniel Gartmann <mailto:lists@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2




Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes
when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for
gathering logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel





Re: New nvda sounds

Brian's Mail list account
 

Me too, laggy and , well weird!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Oh golly! Did you have to curse? I hated system access! My computer gagged
and spat it out as though it ate a food it did not like! I was glad to have
rid of it! It would not let me instal the free version when I wanted to try
the free trial. I tried this before a friend gave me his key. Even with my
friend's key it would not instal properly. My computer gagged and spat it
out!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Capelle
Sent: May-31-17 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.



From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@...>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



I thought system access died?



On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:

There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal
notification by default.



System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed
somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow
browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you
can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time
but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I
couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Shook <mailto:chris0309@...>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.