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Re: How NVDA works: feature development

Pranav Lal
 

Joseph, Devin,

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Pranav


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Dan Beaver
 

Yep, I wasn't saying that I was opening menus by cursoring to the left.  I was just saying that pressing alt+s and then cursoring left shows those 2 submenus. 


Like I said, this may just show how little I know about the buttons he is looking for.


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Gene wrote:
You never open anything such as a submenu by moving to the left in a menu structure.  What you are doing is opening history with alt s, then left arrowing once to move left one menu, to the view menu.  Since you are already in an opened menu, history, when you move left, you are moving to the menu to the left and you are in the menu, not at the menu because you got there from an already opened menu.  If you were on the menu bar, just pressing alt places you there, and you moved with left and right arrows, you would hear the names of the closed menus announced.  If you are in an opened menu and move to another menu, you won't hear the name of the menu announced. 
 
If you open the menus with alt, right arrow to the view menu, and start down arrowing, you will see the same things.  Also, alt v places you in the view menu.  do you understand how to hear short cut commands for opening various menus when you press alt and then right or left arrow from menu to menu?  You can open a submenu when you are in a menu by right arrowing or pressing enter on the submenu.  But as I said, moving left never opens anything.  It will move you to the next menu to the left that is not a submenu. 
 
I don't know if going into all this is helpful but it may help you move through menus more efficiently and understand how to look through menus more systematically and know better where you are. 
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 




Re: It's getting worse!

Roger Stewart
 

Thanks. Will give it a try. Don't want to globally disable reading of dynamic content changes as this would kill reading of DOS boxes and possibly ChatZilla.

Thanks.

Roger

On 6/3/2017 6:58 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Install this. It'll disable NVDA's built-in text reading for mIRC. You might be able to do it with a profile, also, by disabling dynamic content changes.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywezcf4gv5hhaot/mircDisabler-0.1.nvda-addon?dl=1
On 6/3/2017 4:48 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
This would be great. Think I tried it a while ago, and it disabled nvda
speech globally. I need a way to set a configuration profile for mIRC
with nvda speech set to off but leave it on for everything else. Then I
could turn on the speech in mIRC. Tomorrow night, I'll be trying
ChatZilla for the first time with this new nvda. Hope it works as it
should.

Roger








On 6/3/2017 6:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always
turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if
there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but
I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for
sure.



On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now
will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just
2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest
removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech
function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else
but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I
could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd
much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally
been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger














Re: It's getting worse!

Tyler Spivey
 

Install this. It'll disable NVDA's built-in text reading for mIRC. You might be able to do it with a profile, also, by disabling dynamic content changes.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywezcf4gv5hhaot/mircDisabler-0.1.nvda-addon?dl=1

On 6/3/2017 4:48 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
This would be great. Think I tried it a while ago, and it disabled nvda
speech globally. I need a way to set a configuration profile for mIRC
with nvda speech set to off but leave it on for everything else. Then I
could turn on the speech in mIRC. Tomorrow night, I'll be trying
ChatZilla for the first time with this new nvda. Hope it works as it
should.

Roger








On 6/3/2017 6:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always
turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if
there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but
I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for
sure.



On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now
will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just
2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest
removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech
function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else
but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I
could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd
much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally
been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger











Re: It's getting worse!

Roger Stewart
 

This would be great. Think I tried it a while ago, and it disabled nvda speech globally. I need a way to set a configuration profile for mIRC with nvda speech set to off but leave it on for everything else. Then I could turn on the speech in mIRC. Tomorrow night, I'll be trying ChatZilla for the first time with this new nvda. Hope it works as it should.

Roger

On 6/3/2017 6:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for sure.



On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just 2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger









Re: It's getting worse!

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for sure.

On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just 2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger





Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene
 

You never open anything such as a submenu by moving to the left in a menu structure.  What you are doing is opening history with alt s, then left arrowing once to move left one menu, to the view menu.  Since you are already in an opened menu, history, when you move left, you are moving to the menu to the left and you are in the menu, not at the menu because you got there from an already opened menu.  If you were on the menu bar, just pressing alt places you there, and you moved with left and right arrows, you would hear the names of the closed menus announced.  If you are in an opened menu and move to another menu, you won't hear the name of the menu announced. 
 
If you open the menus with alt, right arrow to the view menu, and start down arrowing, you will see the same things.  Also, alt v places you in the view menu.  do you understand how to hear short cut commands for opening various menus when you press alt and then right or left arrow from menu to menu?  You can open a submenu when you are in a menu by right arrowing or pressing enter on the submenu.  But as I said, moving left never opens anything.  It will move you to the next menu to the left that is not a submenu. 
 
I don't know if going into all this is helpful but it may help you move through menus more efficiently and understand how to look through menus more systematically and know better where you are. 
 
Gene
 

----- Original Message -----From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 



It's getting worse!

Roger Stewart
 

About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just 2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene
 

You may be able to do so with object navigation.  I'm not sure how convenient it is to work with such buttons.  Try using the command NVDA key b and see if it reads the buttons as it goes through and reads just about all the objects on screen.  Sometimes, I find that this command doesn't read everything and other times, I find that I come across things by doing so I missed otherwise.  Whether that is because I missed something in examining all the child objects on screen or because of some other anomaly, I'm not sure.  But if you issue this command, then stop reading with control if you hear the buttons being read, the object navigator will probably be on one of the buttons and you can try moving around. 
 
I've seen buttons for some Firefox features in that way such as the chat feature Firefox has, I don't remember its name.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 



Re: latest Skype update

David Moore
 

Hi!

I have exactly the same problem. JAWS or NVDA does not seem to access the new Skype nearly as well. I would love to switch back as well. Also, is the New Skype the same Skype as the win10 Skype app, or is it something else. I wasn’t even sure about that.

Have a great one, guys!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jenni Kent
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest Skype update

 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't

go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the

new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone

used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts

and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses

to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say

anything.  but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add

on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll

back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike

jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

 

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

 

Jenni

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

 

If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: latest Skype update

Chris
 

Hello

 

I don’t know if its still the same but a while ago I just simply uninstalled the skype app and stuck with the desktop version ever since and the app has never returned since

 

But as far as I can remember both both should run together  with no issue or it did do

 

Sorry if that is not much help

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Jenni Kent
Sent: 03 June 2017 21:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest Skype update

 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't

go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the

new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone

used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts

and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses

to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say

anything.  but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add

on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll

back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike

jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

 

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

 

Jenni

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I forget where I found the acapela voices from. You just have to do a
little searching. I've also got a lot of voices from cracks on
torrent sites, but I won't go into that here.

On 6/3/17, Milos Przic <milos.przic@...> wrote:
Hello al,
I am a new member too, I have just subscribed a few hours ago. I don't have

other screen readers on my computer since I installed Windows 10. NVDA
becamse my primary way of reading the computer screen, and I want hereby to

thank the developers and everyone else who contributes to this amazing
project. Keep up the god work!
Best regards,
Miloš
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" <louvins@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 04:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!


Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson





--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


latest Skype update

Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...>
 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say anything. but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

Jenni


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Tony Ballou
 

Hi James,


in Firefox, go to the tools menu, it is the second option in the list
under downloads. You can also get there by hitting control-shift-a.
Hope this helps.


Tony

On 6/2/2017 5:13 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi everyone

I am sure this has been discussed before, but could someone please
tell me howto access the menu bar where some of the Firefox add-ons
are located please? I have installed the Zoterro plugin and would like
to see how it compares to its standalone version.

Thank you

Best

James




Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Milos Przic
 

Hello al,
I am a new member too, I have just subscribed a few hours ago. I don't have other screen readers on my computer since I installed Windows 10. NVDA becamse my primary way of reading the computer screen, and I want hereby to thank the developers and everyone else who contributes to this amazing project. Keep up the god work!
Best regards,
Miloš

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" <louvins@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 04:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!


Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Where do you get NVDA voices from?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joshua,

I've been using NVDA full-time since 2011. I use it for everything from internet shopping to word processing. I haven't tried the acapela voices yet but I hear they're really nice.

Rosemarie

On 6/3/2017 7:33 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:
Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.


Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson