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Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi

You will need to change into object navigation mode with the nvda key + one on the numeric keypad then do the following.
Use the ctrl key + letter L so it throws the focus to the location bar.
Then use object navigation to get to those areas as below.

Actually a easier way is to use the nvda key + number 8 on the numeric key pad to go up a level, then use the nvda key + 6 on the numeric keypad to you get to the same area.
.

Gene nz

On 4/06/2017 4:15 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


which ones are those?


is it the one with the pocket list etc? are they refered to as buttons for each one?


if it is those ones to get up there i can use the ctrl + letter  L to get to the location bar where the web address is. If you tabbed once it will put you in the search engine part.


But when you are on the location bar the one i can get to them is use object navigation. on the desktop i use the nvda key + number 6 on the numeric keypad until it tell me there is no next and you should hear reload current page, there will be no further you can go.

next for some reason use the nvda key + number 2 on the numeric keypad, then go back up with nvda key + number 8 on the numeric keypad.

Next use the nvda key + 6 on the numeric key pad and it will give you other options. Mine i can get to pocket and a few others and they refer to them as buttons.

I did not try to interact with the buttons but either the nvda key + enter key on the numeric keypad should do it. Not sure if the space bar or enter key would but the one  mentioned with the nvda key + enter key should.


I know also there is some shortcuts but not sure if there is for that area.


Gene nz

will.


You might even be able to use the mouse and move it around and hear what is spoken under it. make sure mouse tracking is on.




On 4/06/2017 9:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


which ones are those?


is it the one with the pocket list etc? are they refered to as buttons for each one?


if it is those ones to get up there i can use the ctrl + letter  L to get to the location bar where the web address is. If you tabbed once it will put you in the search engine part.


But when you are on the location bar the one i can get to them is use object navigation. on the desktop i use the nvda key + number 6 on the numeric keypad until it tell me there is no next and you should hear reload current page, there will be no further you can go.

next for some reason use the nvda key + number 2 on the numeric keypad, then go back up with nvda key + number 8 on the numeric keypad.

Next use the nvda key + 6 on the numeric key pad and it will give you other options. Mine i can get to pocket and a few others and they refer to them as buttons.

I did not try to interact with the buttons but either the nvda key + enter key on the numeric keypad should do it. Not sure if the space bar or enter key would but the one  mentioned with the nvda key + enter key should.


I know also there is some shortcuts but not sure if there is for that area.


Gene nz

will.


You might even be able to use the mouse and move it around and hear what is spoken under it. make sure mouse tracking is on.




On 4/06/2017 9:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: latest Skype update

 

what if you run skype classic?

Its clear skype app like most universal apps suck.

I had this with something on another computer, do a system restore or reformat thats what I did and it was ok again.

Its really bad that you can click things and not go back.

But a good reinstall will fix it, I wish ms made uwp as accessible as they say, but guess not, thank god for reformats.

This still gets my goat, it really does.

So far I have managed to not use uwp unless I need to then I stay far away just like narator.

On 4/06/2017 8:46 a.m., Jenni Kent wrote:
So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say anything. but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

Jenni




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Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Dan Beaver
 

Yes, I do now. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 9:17 PM, Gene wrote:
But do you understand that you are opening history and then moving left into the opened view menu?  You would see exactly the same things if you went to the view menu and started down arrowing.  I'm going into this because it may help you work with Windows and Windows programs better if you understand the structure of menus better.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Yep, I wasn't saying that I was opening menus by cursoring to the left.  I was just saying that pressing alt+s and then cursoring left shows those 2 submenus. 


Like I said, this may just show how little I know about the buttons he is looking for.


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Gene wrote:
You never open anything such as a submenu by moving to the left in a menu structure.  What you are doing is opening history with alt s, then left arrowing once to move left one menu, to the view menu.  Since you are already in an opened menu, history, when you move left, you are moving to the menu to the left and you are in the menu, not at the menu because you got there from an already opened menu.  If you were on the menu bar, just pressing alt places you there, and you moved with left and right arrows, you would hear the names of the closed menus announced.  If you are in an opened menu and move to another menu, you won't hear the name of the menu announced. 
 
If you open the menus with alt, right arrow to the view menu, and start down arrowing, you will see the same things.  Also, alt v places you in the view menu.  do you understand how to hear short cut commands for opening various menus when you press alt and then right or left arrow from menu to menu?  You can open a submenu when you are in a menu by right arrowing or pressing enter on the submenu.  But as I said, moving left never opens anything.  It will move you to the next menu to the left that is not a submenu. 
 
I don't know if going into all this is helpful but it may help you move through menus more efficiently and understand how to look through menus more systematically and know better where you are. 
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 





Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene
 

But do you understand that you are opening history and then moving left into the opened view menu?  You would see exactly the same things if you went to the view menu and started down arrowing.  I'm going into this because it may help you work with Windows and Windows programs better if you understand the structure of menus better.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Yep, I wasn't saying that I was opening menus by cursoring to the left.  I was just saying that pressing alt+s and then cursoring left shows those 2 submenus. 


Like I said, this may just show how little I know about the buttons he is looking for.


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Gene wrote:
You never open anything such as a submenu by moving to the left in a menu structure.  What you are doing is opening history with alt s, then left arrowing once to move left one menu, to the view menu.  Since you are already in an opened menu, history, when you move left, you are moving to the menu to the left and you are in the menu, not at the menu because you got there from an already opened menu.  If you were on the menu bar, just pressing alt places you there, and you moved with left and right arrows, you would hear the names of the closed menus announced.  If you are in an opened menu and move to another menu, you won't hear the name of the menu announced. 
 
If you open the menus with alt, right arrow to the view menu, and start down arrowing, you will see the same things.  Also, alt v places you in the view menu.  do you understand how to hear short cut commands for opening various menus when you press alt and then right or left arrow from menu to menu?  You can open a submenu when you are in a menu by right arrowing or pressing enter on the submenu.  But as I said, moving left never opens anything.  It will move you to the next menu to the left that is not a submenu. 
 
I don't know if going into all this is helpful but it may help you move through menus more efficiently and understand how to look through menus more systematically and know better where you are. 
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 




Re: How NVDA works: feature development

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
Could you talk about why NVDA uses eSpeak, when you first install it, as well as other voice options? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2017, at 2:22 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph,

Great work, as always!  It could indeed be something we do a feature on in In-Process as I think we have a wide range of readers and it is interesting to touch on all aspects of the process from all different views.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

A few days ago I posted on the NVDA development list that I’ll be sending a message about feature development on the users list. Then I thought about making this a regular series in hopes that users would understand how NVDA works and appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes.

 

But before I do so, an important announcement:

 

ACB Radio’s Main Menu for June 2nd will be devoted to NVDACon 2017 keynote. You can go to acbradio.org to listen to the show at 6 PM Pacific (9 PM Eastern and other times elsewhere).

 

Back to the subject at hand:

 

Recently, NV Access has set out to improve their brand image, and one of them was deployed on NVDA alpha builds not long ago: new sounds. I’m sure some of you may have tasted it, and for those who didn’t, don’t worry, it’ll come to you at a later date.

 

One of the questions that came up during our discussion of new sounds was feature development. As an answer, I’d like to give you an overview of how a feature is born and make it to NVDA stable builds, with a recent addition of ability to disable add-ons as an example (a feature I enjoyed implementing and had massive impact on your NVDA lives).

 

In 2013, I posted a suggestion to an older bug tracking system NV Access employed, asking if there could be a way to disable individual add-ons. I forgot about this suggestion until last year when I somehow stumbled upon that issue. Thus began a journey to bring this feature to life, culminating in NVDA 2016.3 release where it did come to life.

 

To start with, I’d like to say that developing features in NVDA is fun yet challenging. You get to learn how certain things work behind the scenes, yet at the same time you are responsible to making sure your code doesn’t ruin someone’s hard work at his or her office. In other words, every code fragment you write impacts someone, and I can give you various examples regarding this (both from NVDA Core development and in add-ons world).

 

In regards to feature development, I didn’t start coding right away. I began with writing specifications, imagining how users would use this functionality. I then presented a prototype, then set out to incorporating it into NVDA itself, then went through a rigorous code review process. After months of work, the feature finally made it to NVDA master branch, and eventually it landed as part of NVDA 2016.3.

 

The ability to disable individual add-ons works by checking if an add-on is part of a set of add-ons that should be disabled at startup. By disabling add-ons, you’re effectively telling NVDA, “I want this add-on to be included in a set of disabled add-ons” and vice versa (if you’re enabling add-ons). In order to avoid technical issues encountered when NVDA resumes from a crash, I told NVDA to save this disabled add-ons set to disk when you exit add-ons manager after enabling or disabling add-ons.

 

Originally, I didn’t allow you to use shortcut commands to enable or disable add-ons from add-ons manager. However, some felt that it would be best to add one, so someone else came along and added that enhancement. The hotkey did make it to NVDA 2016.4.

 

Reference:

 

I hope to present a series of posts like this that explains how features in NVDA work behind the scenes, along with a backstage tour of how they were developed. Please let me know the next feature I should talk about, and if it’s something I don’t know, I’ll try my best to have an expert or the actual feature developer to explain it to you. And yes, one of the future installments might be the ongoing saga of search suggestion sounds.

 

Suggestion for Quentin: If you believe this would be something In-Process would like to talk about, please feel free to incorporate them.

 

Cheers,

Joseph




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NVDACon 2017: two more session recordings posted

 

Hi everyone,

 

The next set of recordings are now available from NVDACon 2017:

 

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: How NVDA works: feature development

Pranav Lal
 

Joseph, Devin,

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Pranav


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Dan Beaver
 

Yep, I wasn't saying that I was opening menus by cursoring to the left.  I was just saying that pressing alt+s and then cursoring left shows those 2 submenus. 


Like I said, this may just show how little I know about the buttons he is looking for.


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Gene wrote:
You never open anything such as a submenu by moving to the left in a menu structure.  What you are doing is opening history with alt s, then left arrowing once to move left one menu, to the view menu.  Since you are already in an opened menu, history, when you move left, you are moving to the menu to the left and you are in the menu, not at the menu because you got there from an already opened menu.  If you were on the menu bar, just pressing alt places you there, and you moved with left and right arrows, you would hear the names of the closed menus announced.  If you are in an opened menu and move to another menu, you won't hear the name of the menu announced. 
 
If you open the menus with alt, right arrow to the view menu, and start down arrowing, you will see the same things.  Also, alt v places you in the view menu.  do you understand how to hear short cut commands for opening various menus when you press alt and then right or left arrow from menu to menu?  You can open a submenu when you are in a menu by right arrowing or pressing enter on the submenu.  But as I said, moving left never opens anything.  It will move you to the next menu to the left that is not a submenu. 
 
I don't know if going into all this is helpful but it may help you move through menus more efficiently and understand how to look through menus more systematically and know better where you are. 
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 




Re: It's getting worse!

Roger Stewart
 

Thanks. Will give it a try. Don't want to globally disable reading of dynamic content changes as this would kill reading of DOS boxes and possibly ChatZilla.

Thanks.

Roger

On 6/3/2017 6:58 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Install this. It'll disable NVDA's built-in text reading for mIRC. You might be able to do it with a profile, also, by disabling dynamic content changes.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywezcf4gv5hhaot/mircDisabler-0.1.nvda-addon?dl=1
On 6/3/2017 4:48 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
This would be great. Think I tried it a while ago, and it disabled nvda
speech globally. I need a way to set a configuration profile for mIRC
with nvda speech set to off but leave it on for everything else. Then I
could turn on the speech in mIRC. Tomorrow night, I'll be trying
ChatZilla for the first time with this new nvda. Hope it works as it
should.

Roger








On 6/3/2017 6:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always
turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if
there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but
I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for
sure.



On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now
will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just
2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest
removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech
function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else
but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I
could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd
much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally
been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger














Re: It's getting worse!

Tyler Spivey
 

Install this. It'll disable NVDA's built-in text reading for mIRC. You might be able to do it with a profile, also, by disabling dynamic content changes.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywezcf4gv5hhaot/mircDisabler-0.1.nvda-addon?dl=1

On 6/3/2017 4:48 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
This would be great. Think I tried it a while ago, and it disabled nvda
speech globally. I need a way to set a configuration profile for mIRC
with nvda speech set to off but leave it on for everything else. Then I
could turn on the speech in mIRC. Tomorrow night, I'll be trying
ChatZilla for the first time with this new nvda. Hope it works as it
should.

Roger








On 6/3/2017 6:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always
turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if
there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but
I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for
sure.



On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now
will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just
2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest
removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech
function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else
but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I
could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd
much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally
been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger











Re: It's getting worse!

Roger Stewart
 

This would be great. Think I tried it a while ago, and it disabled nvda speech globally. I need a way to set a configuration profile for mIRC with nvda speech set to off but leave it on for everything else. Then I could turn on the speech in mIRC. Tomorrow night, I'll be trying ChatZilla for the first time with this new nvda. Hope it works as it should.

Roger

On 6/3/2017 6:34 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for sure.



On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just 2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger









Re: It's getting worse!

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

doesn't NVDA-S allow you to adjust the speech seetings? You can always turn it off for mirc, then use the speech on mirc. I don't know if there's a way to save the settings and have them load every time, but I believe there is, though I've never attempted it, so can't say for sure.

On 6/3/2017 7:12 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just 2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger





Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene
 

You never open anything such as a submenu by moving to the left in a menu structure.  What you are doing is opening history with alt s, then left arrowing once to move left one menu, to the view menu.  Since you are already in an opened menu, history, when you move left, you are moving to the menu to the left and you are in the menu, not at the menu because you got there from an already opened menu.  If you were on the menu bar, just pressing alt places you there, and you moved with left and right arrows, you would hear the names of the closed menus announced.  If you are in an opened menu and move to another menu, you won't hear the name of the menu announced. 
 
If you open the menus with alt, right arrow to the view menu, and start down arrowing, you will see the same things.  Also, alt v places you in the view menu.  do you understand how to hear short cut commands for opening various menus when you press alt and then right or left arrow from menu to menu?  You can open a submenu when you are in a menu by right arrowing or pressing enter on the submenu.  But as I said, moving left never opens anything.  It will move you to the next menu to the left that is not a submenu. 
 
I don't know if going into all this is helpful but it may help you move through menus more efficiently and understand how to look through menus more systematically and know better where you are. 
 
Gene
 

----- Original Message -----From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 



It's getting worse!

Roger Stewart
 

About latest nvda and mIRC, the problem is even worse tonight. It now will just read several older lines of text at random instead of just 2. This has made using mIRC unusable with nvda. I would suggest removing mIRC support from nvda as mIRC has a built in speech function. If I could kill nvda speech in mIRC but not anywhere else but keep it running for everything else, this would be great! Then I could just turn on speech for mIRC and it would talk that way. I'd much prefer to have nvda speak, but this function has been totally been broken with this last update. Hope they get it fixed soon.


Roger


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Gene
 

You may be able to do so with object navigation.  I'm not sure how convenient it is to work with such buttons.  Try using the command NVDA key b and see if it reads the buttons as it goes through and reads just about all the objects on screen.  Sometimes, I find that this command doesn't read everything and other times, I find that I come across things by doing so I missed otherwise.  Whether that is because I missed something in examining all the child objects on screen or because of some other anomaly, I'm not sure.  But if you issue this command, then stop reading with control if you hear the buttons being read, the object navigator will probably be on one of the buttons and you can try moving around. 
 
I've seen buttons for some Firefox features in that way such as the chat feature Firefox has, I don't remember its name.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I don't know if this is what you are after or not but see what you think.


When in Firefox on a webpage I can press alt-s and then cursor left once and I hear "toolbar submenu" and then if I cursor down once I hear "sidebar submenu".  These submenus have a few choices each.


Is this what you are looking for?


If not then it just shows how little I know about this. ;-))


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 5:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 



Re: latest Skype update

David Moore
 

Hi!

I have exactly the same problem. JAWS or NVDA does not seem to access the new Skype nearly as well. I would love to switch back as well. Also, is the New Skype the same Skype as the win10 Skype app, or is it something else. I wasn’t even sure about that.

Have a great one, guys!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jenni Kent
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest Skype update

 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't

go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the

new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone

used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts

and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses

to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say

anything.  but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add

on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll

back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike

jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

 

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

 

Jenni

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

 

If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: latest Skype update

Chris
 

Hello

 

I don’t know if its still the same but a while ago I just simply uninstalled the skype app and stuck with the desktop version ever since and the app has never returned since

 

But as far as I can remember both both should run together  with no issue or it did do

 

Sorry if that is not much help

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Jenni Kent
Sent: 03 June 2017 21:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest Skype update

 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't

go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the

new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone

used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts

and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses

to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say

anything.  but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add

on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll

back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike

jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

 

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

 

Jenni