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Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

 

If anyone happens to know how to directly gain access to the "button bar" to the right of the web address entry and search entry boxes in Firefox would you please share?

I know that you can get to any of the add-ons that display buttons here via the methods I and others have discussed, but I cannot come up with a way to get to those buttons.  In Chrome, since there is no real menu set at all in the conventional sense, hitting Alt throws focus to the Menu Button on the far right and you can left arrow your way backward across all the buttons between it and the web address entry box.  I cannot seem to throw focus up there for Firefox and I'm convinced there must be a way I just don't know about.  Under Firefox hitting Alt brings up the good, old-fashioned menu bar and throws focus on it.  I can't even manage to tab my way in to that collection of buttons under Firefox.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: latest Skype update

Chris
 

Hello

 

I don’t know if its still the same but a while ago I just simply uninstalled the skype app and stuck with the desktop version ever since and the app has never returned since

 

But as far as I can remember both both should run together  with no issue or it did do

 

Sorry if that is not much help

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Jenni Kent
Sent: 03 June 2017 21:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest Skype update

 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't

go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the

new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone

used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts

and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses

to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say

anything.  but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add

on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll

back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike

jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

 

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

 

Jenni

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I forget where I found the acapela voices from. You just have to do a
little searching. I've also got a lot of voices from cracks on
torrent sites, but I won't go into that here.

On 6/3/17, Milos Przic <milos.przic@...> wrote:
Hello al,
I am a new member too, I have just subscribed a few hours ago. I don't have

other screen readers on my computer since I installed Windows 10. NVDA
becamse my primary way of reading the computer screen, and I want hereby to

thank the developers and everyone else who contributes to this amazing
project. Keep up the god work!
Best regards,
Miloš
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" <louvins@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 04:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!


Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson





--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


latest Skype update

Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...>
 

So I was encouraged by my computer to try the new Skype well now i can't go back to the classic Skype it seems and it would also seem that the new version is a mess for accessibility in my humble opinion has anyone used this new version of Skype successfully and what are your thoughts and tips? Also i still use jaws on occasion to help a friend who refuses to give up on it no idea why but i was that way once too so i cant say anything. but i will try checking in with others as well maybe the add on list who knows who might have a clue or if anything how can i roll back to classic oh and good news the feedback hub works with nvda unlike jaws. just saying can anyone help me with my problem?

Thanks, awaiting the ding for email on my phone,

Jenni


Re: Accessing the menu bar on Firefox

Tony Ballou
 

Hi James,


in Firefox, go to the tools menu, it is the second option in the list
under downloads. You can also get there by hitting control-shift-a.
Hope this helps.


Tony

On 6/2/2017 5:13 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi everyone

I am sure this has been discussed before, but could someone please
tell me howto access the menu bar where some of the Firefox add-ons
are located please? I have installed the Zoterro plugin and would like
to see how it compares to its standalone version.

Thank you

Best

James




Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Milos Przic
 

Hello al,
I am a new member too, I have just subscribed a few hours ago. I don't have other screen readers on my computer since I installed Windows 10. NVDA becamse my primary way of reading the computer screen, and I want hereby to thank the developers and everyone else who contributes to this amazing project. Keep up the god work!
Best regards,
Miloš

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" <louvins@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 04:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!


Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Where do you get NVDA voices from?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joshua,

I've been using NVDA full-time since 2011. I use it for everything from internet shopping to word processing. I haven't tried the acapela voices yet but I hear they're really nice.

Rosemarie

On 6/3/2017 7:33 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:
Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.


Hi from a new member, NVDA, is totally awesome!

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Hi to all. Just wanted to say from a new list member. I really like
NVDA. I've only got jaws 15 on my computer, but I'm not going to pay
like $800 to get the newest version of jaws. Have any of you guys
ever tried the acapela voices for NVDA? They are very nice. I tried
a free 15 day trial a while back. When I can save up some money, I'll
buy the license to get my voices to work. But I think the acapela
license for the voices to work in NVDA is something like $220.
Anyway, its so nice to have a screenreader available to someone who is
blined that when you get a new computer, you just slap NVDA on it, and
away you go.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: W10 creators update

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

My machine was upgraded from Windows 7 and is now using the Windows 10 Creators update version and I have never had any issues accessing the power button via the keyboard.  Windows 10  is different to Windows 7 in that you do not access the start menu items such as Documents, Music, Videos etc  using the tab key, you have to use  the down/up arrow keys to navigate the list.  The power button is at the end of the list.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 3 June 2017 16:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Hello,

 

I do appreciate your comments, but, as I have said, this is probably my computer at fault, although all these itemes are in the menus, the keyboard doesn’t move to the power button, the mouse can activate it though.

My main object was to ask what people thought about the creators update, my apologies for bringing up this red herring of the power button, I can shut down by other methods.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Hi

I do not understand what you mean by ”normal power button”, perhaps you could explain.  I only ever use the keyboard and consider the method I described to be a a keyboard accessible method of shutting down the computer.  I appreciate that the menu items used do not quote the word ‘Power’ but they are the the same thing.  If you are talking about the ‘Power’ button on the start menu, you can access it via the keyboard as follows:

 

  1. Press the Windows key once.
  2. Press tab until you land on ‘Toggle navigation start menu items, activate to show or hide labels’ and press space bar to activate it.

Use the down arrow key to move down the start menu list, you should find ‘Power’ at the very bottom.  Use space bar, enter or the Applications key to activate it and you will get the same options as the previous method I described except for ‘Sign Out’.  If you cannot use this method, there may be issues with your start menu configuration, so let me know and I’ll try and get it so you can access it.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 3 June 2017 12:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Hello Chris,

 

I can shut down etc in several ways, my point was that the normal power button is not accerssible with the keyboard, [not on my computer anyway].

If these keyboard commands continue to disappear in future updates, it may become very difficult to use the keyboard , this has obvious issues for blind and visually impaired people. The blurb for the new creators update makes much use of mouse clicks, O K, it’s a sighted world, but accessibility is surely required by law these days, [or is that little phrase, “where possible”, the get out clause?].

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Try Windows+x followed by the letter u.  You then get the the normal list of exit options.  You can either press enter on your choice or press i to sign-out, h to hibernate, r to restart or u to turn off.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 2 June 2017 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.


Re: nvda in gmail

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


When I open my gmail account, I choose the "Basic HTML view" button to make it easy to use for me. I do it by both Firefox, and the chrome-based browsers. If you wish to open the mentioned view, switch to the focus mode and tab around to find the button. In my case, I shift-tab to get to the button.


On 6/3/2017 3:03 PM, Judy Barrett wrote:

I have read that NVDA works well with Gmail, what do I need to know to get them to work well together.

I am running windows 10 and the latest NVDA.

Thanks

All Blessings

Judy                     

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] managing kindle books ?

 

If you're using overdrive and/or amazon to do the returning of the books, you need to click the return on the amazon site, then either go all the way to the bottom of the page and find the yes/no buttons, and click the yes button, or (do like I do), go to the top of the page, then shift-tab 4 or 5 times, which puts you on the no (for some reason it skips the yes), then tab once, which will place you on the yes.  Press enter, and the book is returned.  It's a major pain, but it works.  I have no idea why amazon handles things this way, but that's how I deal with it, so hopefully this will work for you as well.

 

 

On 6/3/2017 12:45 AM, Danni wrote:

 

I am having trouble removing books borrowed from the library and found out tonight from a neighbor that a popup shows but I have no idea where to find it on the screen?? anyone have any suggestions?

 

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com



Re: managing kindle books ?

Danni
 

Thanks Travis! I didn't know I was even getting a popup until my neighbor looked at it last night and wasn't exactly sure where to look for it! Much apreciate it!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] managing kindle books ?

If you're using overdrive and/or amazon to do the returning of the books, you need to click the return on the amazon site, then either go all the way to the bottom of the page and find the yes/no buttons, and click the yes button, or (do like I do), go to the top of the page, then shift-tab 4 or 5 times, which puts you on the no (for some reason it skips the yes), then tab once, which will place you on the yes.  Press enter, and the book is returned.  It's a major pain, but it works.  I have no idea why amazon handles things this way, but that's how I deal with it, so hopefully this will work for you as well.



On 6/3/2017 12:45 AM, Danni wrote:
 
I am having trouble removing books borrowed from the library and found out tonight from a neighbor that a popup shows but I have no idea where to find it on the screen?? anyone have any suggestions?
 




Virus-free. www.avast.com



Re: W10 creators update

 

Hi,
Some updates were posted since the publication of the article in question. I've been telling Windows 10 users for months that it is best to wait for this kind of notice to show up before upgrading, and for most cases, better to use Windows Update. In terms of potential issues you may run into when using NVDA, this NVDA forum, the Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users and other forums will be the first to know.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

Hello Brian and everyone,

I brought this subject up because I have just had a communication on my
W10 machine that this update is imminent and asks me to look at my settings for future use.
I am copying below a blogg concerning the creators update, it was issued in April, so things have obviously gone forward now, I haven't given the link to the blogg because it tried to install W10 on my W7 computer, luckily it failed, but I don't want anyone else to have that problem.

Here is the blogg, judge for your selves.

Don't install our buggy Windows 10 Creators Update, begs Microsoft We'll give it to you when it's ready – and it is not broken window reddit Twitter Facebook linkedin
26 Apr 2017 at 19:02, Iain
Thomson
Microsoft has urged non-tech-savvy people – or anyone who just wants a stable computer – to not download and install this year's biggest revision to Windows by hand. And that's because it may well bork your machine.
It's been two weeks since Microsoft made its Creators Update available, and we were previously warned it will be a trickle-out rather than a massive rollout. Now, Redmond has urged users to stop manually fetching and installing the code, and instead wait for it to be automatically offered to your computer when it's ready.
The problem is that some systems – particularly older ones – may not be able to handle the Creators Update, Microsoft said. The US giant has been focusing on updating newer kit first, since it feels that hardware is less likely to run into difficulties, and has stopped automatically offering the latest Windows 10 upgrade to computers it suspects will suffer from breakdowns.
For example, the big update has already run into problems with some types of Broadcom Bluetooth LE radios: the code was killing connections with accessories, apparently. So Microsoft stopped pushing automatic downloads to computers carrying that hardware. However, the operating system can still be fetched manually if folks really want it.
In other words, if people fetch and install the software by hand, they will bypass Redmond's blockades, and potentially run aground on their hardware.
"We continue to recommend (unless you're an advanced user who is prepared to work through some issues) that you wait until the Windows 10 Creators Update is automatically offered to you," John Cable, director of program management for Windows servicing and delivery, said on Tuesday.
"When your device becomes eligible for the Creators Update rollout, you'll be prompted to make some important choices on your privacy settings before the Creators Update can install."
According to advertising stats counter AdDuplex, around 10 per cent of Windows machines are running the Creators Update. As you'd expect, Microsoft's own hardware is getting it first, with 30 per cent of Surface Books and a quarter of Surface Pro 4s having been updated.
That Microsoft is calling for a halt to manual updates so soon suggests there are still irritating bugs in the code to iron out. On the one hand, it's a relief Redmond isn't shoving out broken tech to everyone at once leading to a global meltdown. On the other hand, it is seriously weird that the biz has been hyping up an operating system release that today still isn't ready for the mainstream.
Only one in ten machines are running the new code, and the Office 365 giant has already told people to hit the brakes. This is despite the product undergoing months of internal and public testing.
It's another example of Microsoft trying to treat its core product, the bedrock of its business, as nothing more than shifting sands of ones and zeroes. This is a great pity because Windows 10, at its heart, has stronger cybersecurity defenses and other kernel-level improvements – it's just everything around it is constantly changing and so hard to pin down, it's a confusing mess half the time.
Microsoft's enterprise customers won't be getting the update for months, thankfully. Instead, it is consumers and small businesses who are being used as livestock to clear the minefield. Moo. ®

end of blogg

It does seem that we will have to change some security settings to instal this update, so I can presumably refuse to do this, fingers crossed.

Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

It seems to me that windows and to some extent other software is going down a slippery slope toward rental. By this I mean that at present you get updates in the background, giving them the wherewithall to change your environment at will without asking. The S version of 10 is nearly all running on cloud based software and is the next step toward the connected world.
I just don't want any part of this. it introduces the single point of failure that I hate to have, it also makes what we can do controlled by somebody else and arguably lets them know exactly what we are doing as well.

I have stopped my windows 7 boxes from updating to 10. Don't get me wrong, there are good things in 10, but if they cannot allow simple system control by a user then I don't want it. I'm sure the pro version of 10 has some ways to stop these major updates, but seemingly, and increasingly if you do not have them, software by Microsoft and other vendors will just not work if you fall too far behind. This is what comes as a result of this make it up as you go along software development system, using real users as guinea pigs without consent.
Look at what just happens to windows Mobile Users recently, where a whole load of phones had to be re installed as an update stopped them working completely.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update


I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10,
it
seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and
visually impaired. Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge
browser.
It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so
far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the
keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on
freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the
keyboard?
no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.
After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those
updates which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely
if we
have automatic updates set. I don’t want it at any price, it will do
nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and
more
complicated.
What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if
we
want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of
refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it
seems
to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state
as
an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different
folders
without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose
she
must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any
such thing.
O K rant over, comments please!!!

Jim.


Re: W10 creators update

The Gamages
 

Hello Brian and everyone,

I brought this subject up because I have just had a communication on my
W10 machine that this update is imminent and asks me to look at my
settings for future use.
I am copying below a blogg concerning the creators update, it was issued
in April, so things have obviously gone forward now, I haven't given the
link to the blogg because it tried to install W10 on my W7 computer,
luckily it failed, but I don't want anyone else to have that problem.

Here is the blogg, judge for your selves.

Don't install our buggy Windows 10 Creators Update, begs Microsoft
We'll give it to you when it's ready – and it is not
broken window
reddit
Twitter
Facebook
linkedin
26 Apr 2017 at 19:02, Iain
Thomson
Microsoft has urged non-tech-savvy people – or anyone who just wants a
stable computer – to not download and install this year's biggest
revision to Windows by hand. And that's because it may well bork your
machine.
It's been two weeks since Microsoft made its Creators Update available,
and we were previously warned it will be a trickle-out rather than a
massive rollout. Now, Redmond has urged users to stop manually fetching
and installing the code, and instead wait for it to be automatically
offered to your computer when it's ready.
The problem is that some systems – particularly older ones – may not be
able to handle the Creators Update, Microsoft said. The US giant has
been focusing on updating newer kit first, since it feels that hardware
is less likely to run into difficulties, and has stopped automatically
offering the latest Windows 10 upgrade to computers it suspects will
suffer from breakdowns.
For example, the big update has already run into problems with some
types of Broadcom Bluetooth LE radios: the code was killing connections
with accessories, apparently. So Microsoft stopped pushing automatic
downloads to computers carrying that hardware. However, the operating
system can still be fetched manually if folks really want it.
In other words, if people fetch and install the software by hand, they
will bypass Redmond's blockades, and potentially run aground on their
hardware.
"We continue to recommend (unless you're an advanced user who is
prepared to work through some issues) that you wait until the Windows 10
Creators Update is automatically offered to you," John Cable, director
of program management for Windows servicing and delivery, said on
Tuesday.
"When your device becomes eligible for the Creators Update rollout,
you'll be prompted to make some important choices on your privacy
settings before the Creators Update can install."
According to advertising stats counter AdDuplex, around 10 per cent of
Windows machines are running the Creators Update. As you'd expect,
Microsoft's own hardware is getting it first, with 30 per cent of
Surface Books and a quarter of Surface Pro 4s having been updated.
That Microsoft is calling for a halt to manual updates so soon suggests
there are still irritating bugs in the code to iron out. On the one
hand, it's a relief Redmond isn't shoving out broken tech to everyone at
once leading to a global meltdown. On the other hand, it is seriously
weird that the biz has been hyping up an operating system release that
today still isn't ready for the mainstream.
Only one in ten machines are running the new code, and the Office 365
giant has already told people to hit the brakes. This is despite the
product undergoing months of internal and public testing.
It's another example of Microsoft trying to treat its core product, the
bedrock of its business, as nothing more than shifting sands of ones and
zeroes. This is a great pity because Windows 10, at its heart, has
stronger cybersecurity defenses and other kernel-level improvements –
it's just everything around it is constantly changing and so hard to pin
down, it's a confusing mess half the time.
Microsoft's enterprise customers won't be getting the update for months,
thankfully. Instead, it is consumers and small businesses who are being
used as livestock to clear the minefield. Moo. ®

end of blogg

It does seem that we will have to change some security settings to
instal this update, so I can presumably refuse to do this, fingers
crossed.

Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

It seems to me that windows and to some extent other software is going
down
a slippery slope toward rental. By this I mean that at present you get
updates in the background, giving them the wherewithall to change your
environment at will without asking. The S version of 10 is nearly all
running on cloud based software and is the next step toward the
connected
world.
I just don't want any part of this. it introduces the single point of
failure that I hate to have, it also makes what we can do controlled
by
somebody else and arguably lets them know exactly what we are doing as
well.

I have stopped my windows 7 boxes from updating to 10. Don't get me
wrong,
there are good things in 10, but if they cannot allow simple system
control
by a user then I don't want it. I'm sure the pro version of 10 has some
ways
to stop these major updates, but seemingly, and increasingly if you do
not
have them, software by Microsoft and other vendors will just not work if
you
fall too far behind. This is what comes as a result of this make it up
as
you go along software development system, using real users as guinea
pigs
without consent.
Look at what just happens to windows Mobile Users recently, where a
whole
load of phones had to be re installed as an update stopped them working
completely.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update


I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10,
it
seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and
visually impaired. Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge
browser.
It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so
far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the
keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on
freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the
keyboard?
no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.
After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those
updates which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely
if we
have automatic updates set. I don’t want it at any price, it will do
nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and
more
complicated.
What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if
we
want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of
refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it
seems
to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state
as
an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different
folders
without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose
she
must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any
such thing.
O K rant over, comments please!!!

Jim.


Re: rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

Steve Nomer
 

The slowdown I noticed that made me roll back to 2017.1 is happening on Windows 7. The processes I notice the slowdown on are ones that have progress bars on the screen. One does a file scan of files across quite a few folders, and the other is loading audio files and converting them to different formats. Under NVDA 2017.2 it takes several times longer for these processes to run than it does with NVDA 2017.1 running. I tried turning progress bar updates completely off, but this didn't help. I didn't notice any other slowness on my systems using 2017.2, only when there were progress bars involved.


Steve

On 6/3/2017 4:45 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It would be revealing if those who notice slow downs in nvda would tell us what version of Windows and if 10, which actual version it is.
I am beginning to suspect its only Windows 10, as testing the code out on 7 and even, shock horror, XP it seems pretty snappy in fiirfox
the xp machines can only run 52 and 48 of the browser due to harrdware and software constraints.

However they work well.


My feeling is a big arrow pointing to Microsofts UIA code.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1


hi.
i use firefox 52 with nvda 2017.2 and i did not face any problem until now.
two days ago i downloaded the last version of nvda and today i installed it.
but if you want the direct link for downloading nvda 2017.1, here you
are the link!
God bless you all and his extreme mercy for you all i pray.
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.1/nvda_2017.1.exe


On 6/3/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
So that's why Firefox has been slower this past week for me while
navigating. I thought it might be Firefox updates, but am now wondering if
it is NVDA. I unfortunately don't have the 2017.1 installer, so can't check

this out.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1


Hi,
The slowness has been ongoing since the 2017 version. It comes and go.
When I start my Outlook 2013, there is a definite silence for close to a
minute then its starts reading. The moment I begin scrolling rapidly with
the down arrow, the voice gets stuck and I have to play with it to get it
going. The same happens with Firefox, worse I-e11, Edge. It is less
obvious with Google Chrome. I have reported this various times. I am glad

this will be thoroughly investigated as it is very frustrating and even
risky when you are in the middle of a brokerage transaction or a bank
transfer.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

Hi,
I plan to investigate reports of general slowness in hopes of finding out
what's up.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

I have two questions. Could I have the link for nvda 2017.1? the web is a
lot slower with 2017.2 and even the next snapshots its slower. Or should I
just stay on the next snapshots and maybe my issue will clear up in a few
days? and my other questin is if I roll back to 2017.1 should I completely
uninstall the next snapshot and delete all related folders? or should i
install 2017.1 overtop the snapshot?















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Re: W10 creators update

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
No, you are not decieved, this is the power button with sub menus of shut down sleep etc and accessed by windows key, tab twice and down arrowing after activating with the space bar, it’s probably my computer at fault.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update
 

Hi,


this is Dan Beaver instead of Chris but I have a question.  What power button are you talking about?  I am starting to get the feeling that I am unaware of this power button.  I have never seen any "power button" other than the buttons for sleeping restarting, shutdown etc.   Has there been something other than these?


Dan Beaver


On 6/3/2017 7:12 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello Chris,
 
I can shut down etc in several ways, my point was that the normal power button is not accerssible with the keyboard, [not on my computer anyway].
If these keyboard commands continue to disappear in future updates, it may become very difficult to use the keyboard , this has obvious issues for blind and visually impaired people. The blurb for the new creators update makes much use of mouse clicks, O K, it’s a sighted world, but accessibility is surely required by law these days, [or is that little phrase, “where possible”, the get out clause?].
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update
 

Try Windows+x followed by the letter u.  You then get the the normal list of exit options.  You can either press enter on your choice or press i to sign-out, h to hibernate, r to restart or u to turn off.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 2 June 2017 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.



Re: W10 creators update

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
I do appreciate your comments, but, as I have said, this is probably my computer at fault, although all these itemes are in the menus, the keyboard doesn’t move to the power button, the mouse can activate it though.
My main object was to ask what people thought about the creators update, my apologies for bringing up this red herring of the power button, I can shut down by other methods.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update
 

Hi

I do not understand what you mean by ”normal power button”, perhaps you could explain.  I only ever use the keyboard and consider the method I described to be a a keyboard accessible method of shutting down the computer.  I appreciate that the menu items used do not quote the word ‘Power’ but they are the the same thing.  If you are talking about the ‘Power’ button on the start menu, you can access it via the keyboard as follows:

 

  1. Press the Windows key once.
  2. Press tab until you land on ‘Toggle navigation start menu items, activate to show or hide labels’ and press space bar to activate it.

Use the down arrow key to move down the start menu list, you should find ‘Power’ at the very bottom.  Use space bar, enter or the Applications key to activate it and you will get the same options as the previous method I described except for ‘Sign Out’.  If you cannot use this method, there may be issues with your start menu configuration, so let me know and I’ll try and get it so you can access it.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 3 June 2017 12:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Hello Chris,

 

I can shut down etc in several ways, my point was that the normal power button is not accerssible with the keyboard, [not on my computer anyway].

If these keyboard commands continue to disappear in future updates, it may become very difficult to use the keyboard , this has obvious issues for blind and visually impaired people. The blurb for the new creators update makes much use of mouse clicks, O K, it’s a sighted world, but accessibility is surely required by law these days, [or is that little phrase, “where possible”, the get out clause?].

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Try Windows+x followed by the letter u.  You then get the the normal list of exit options.  You can either press enter on your choice or press i to sign-out, h to hibernate, r to restart or u to turn off.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 2 June 2017 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.


Re: rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

Laz
 

In the last month and before I updated to the latest stable NVDA
release I started having slowness showing up. Before that point I
hadn't experienced it. It started happening when I was using Firefox
and going through my messages on Gmail.com. If I opened up a message
in a separate window, did my thing with that message and then closed
the window it would seem to freeze my computer. NVDA became
unresponsive but sometimes I was able to alt tab back and forth and
either it woke up or I was able to close Firefox which was reported as
not responding. If I had to close Firefox I was then able to start
Firefox again and reopen all the windows and be back where I had been.
However other times I was unable to do that and had to restart the
computer as it didn't appear that it would resolve itself and NVDA
refused to respond. I then switched to Chrome and thought everything
was fine until it started happening with Chrome as well. At first it
didn't seem to occur as often as it did with Firefox but now it's
happening almost as much as it did on Firefox.

I'm using Windows 10 Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.1198) on a 32bit
computer and had been using the latest version of Firefox and now use
the latest version of Chrome to read my email on gmail.com.

So to reiterate whenever I open a separate window or tab and then
close it NVDA seems to go to lunch and I have to alt tab back and
forth a few times until I get some feedback from NVDA at which point
it either starts working again or I have to close whatever internet
browser and failing that restart the computer.

Laz

On 6/2/17, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@...> wrote:
Hi,
The slowness has been ongoing since the 2017 version. It comes and go.
When I start my Outlook 2013, there is a definite silence for close to a
minute then its starts reading. The moment I begin scrolling rapidly with
the down arrow, the voice gets stuck and I have to play with it to get it
going. The same happens with Firefox, worse I-e11, Edge. It is less
obvious with Google Chrome. I have reported this various times. I am glad
this will be thoroughly investigated as it is very frustrating and even
risky when you are in the middle of a brokerage transaction or a bank
transfer.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

Hi,
I plan to investigate reports of general slowness in hopes of finding out
what's up.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

I have two questions. Could I have the link for nvda 2017.1? the web is a
lot slower with 2017.2 and even the next snapshots its slower. Or should I
just stay on the next snapshots and maybe my issue will clear up in a few
days? and my other questin is if I roll back to 2017.1 should I completely
uninstall the next snapshot and delete all related folders? or should i
install 2017.1 overtop the snapshot?











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Re: rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

John Hedges
 

Somethin is going on with the preview versions and transitions between Edge and Mail, for example.

 

Sometimes UI activities result in 20 seconds of silence and then normal activiey afterwards.

 

I am running last preview and last next of NVDA. This has been noticed for about 2 plus weeks.

 

John

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1

 

It would be revealing if those who notice slow downs in nvda would tell us
what version of Windows and if 10, which actual version it is.
 I am beginning to suspect its only Windows 10, as testing the code out on 7
and even, shock horror, XP it seems pretty snappy in fiirfox
 the xp machines can only run 52 and 48 of the browser due to harrdware and
software constraints.

However they work well.


My feeling is a big arrow pointing to Microsofts UIA code.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1


> hi.
> i use firefox 52 with nvda 2017.2 and i did not face any problem until
> now.
> two days ago i downloaded the last version of nvda and today i installed
> it.
> but if you want the direct link for downloading nvda 2017.1, here you
> are the link!
> God bless you all and his extreme mercy for you all i pray.
> https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.1/nvda_2017.1.exe
>
>
> On 6/3/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>> So that's why Firefox has been slower this past week for me while
>> navigating. I thought it might be Firefox updates, but am now wondering
>> if
>> it is NVDA. I unfortunately don't have the 2017.1 installer, so can't
>> check
>>
>> this out.
>> Travis
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> The slowness has been ongoing since the 2017 version.  It comes and go.
>> When I start my Outlook 2013, there is a definite silence for close to a
>> minute then its starts reading.  The moment I begin scrolling rapidly
>> with
>> the down arrow, the voice gets stuck and I have to play with it to get it
>> going.  The same happens with Firefox, worse I-e11, Edge.  It is less
>> obvious with Google Chrome.  I have reported this various times.  I am
>> glad
>>
>> this will be thoroughly investigated as it is very frustrating and even
>> risky when you are in the middle of a brokerage transaction or a bank
>> transfer.
>> Many thanks
>> Blessings
>> Pascal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph
>> Lee
>> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:47 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1
>>
>> Hi,
>> I plan to investigate reports of general slowness in hopes of finding out
>> what's up.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh
>> Kennedy
>> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 3:45 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] rolling back to NVDA 2017.1
>>
>> I have two questions. Could I have the link for nvda 2017.1? the web is a
>> lot slower with 2017.2 and even the next snapshots its slower. Or should
>> I
>> just stay on the next snapshots and maybe my issue will clear up in a few
>> days? and my other questin is if I roll back to 2017.1 should I
>> completely
>> uninstall the next snapshot and delete all related folders? or should i
>> install 2017.1 overtop the snapshot?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>





Re: W10 creators update

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I do not understand what you mean by ”normal power button”, perhaps you could explain.  I only ever use the keyboard and consider the method I described to be a a keyboard accessible method of shutting down the computer.  I appreciate that the menu items used do not quote the word ‘Power’ but they are the the same thing.  If you are talking about the ‘Power’ button on the start menu, you can access it via the keyboard as follows:

 

  1. Press the Windows key once.
  2. Press tab until you land on ‘Toggle navigation start menu items, activate to show or hide labels’ and press space bar to activate it.

Use the down arrow key to move down the start menu list, you should find ‘Power’ at the very bottom.  Use space bar, enter or the Applications key to activate it and you will get the same options as the previous method I described except for ‘Sign Out’.  If you cannot use this method, there may be issues with your start menu configuration, so let me know and I’ll try and get it so you can access it.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 3 June 2017 12:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Hello Chris,

 

I can shut down etc in several ways, my point was that the normal power button is not accerssible with the keyboard, [not on my computer anyway].

If these keyboard commands continue to disappear in future updates, it may become very difficult to use the keyboard , this has obvious issues for blind and visually impaired people. The blurb for the new creators update makes much use of mouse clicks, O K, it’s a sighted world, but accessibility is surely required by law these days, [or is that little phrase, “where possible”, the get out clause?].

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

Try Windows+x followed by the letter u.  You then get the the normal list of exit options.  You can either press enter on your choice or press i to sign-out, h to hibernate, r to restart or u to turn off.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 2 June 2017 15:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.