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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Mallard
 

Firefox 43? Absolutely wrong!!!
I'm using FF 45.0.1, and it works a treat!
Ciao,
Ollie

Il 03/04/2016 22:47, David Moore ha scritto:
You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43. That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.


El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the later versions of Firefox. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha available,
the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.

















Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Mallard
 

Yes, me too. I'm using FF 45, and I hate the fact that Mozilla will discriminate us completely after version 46.

I'm erally fed up with these so-called "Open source software guys" who take everything into account except accessibility.

NVDA is, of course, the great exception - because it was born to make desktops accessible in the first place.

But, if you look at open source software in general, you'll see that quite a lot of it is either totally or partially inaccessible.

I say this with a bleeding heart, because I'm a great fan of Open Source, and use it as much as I can.
It's a pity that we always have to fight for years before someone starts considering accessibility.
Look at Calibre, for instance.
It was totally inaccessible until one fine day they updated qt, and it suddenly became partially accessible.
Not for their choosing to do so, but quite by chance...

And Sumatra Pdf...
It reads so many formats, but we can't use it...

How long did it take for OpenOffice and LibreOffice to become usable?

Sad...

What actually happens is that we either have to sacrifice security, or pay for something others don't pay for - like those captcha solving services, that make you pay to get something everybody else gets just by looking at the captchas...
And we have Webvisum, which was never loved by companies, apparently, and here comes Mozilla and says that it won't be usable as of their next FF.

Why should it always be us that have to hunt for a workaround?
And they ask for donations, too... Never again!
Ciao,
A very angry and frustrated Ollie

Il 03/04/2016 22:54, mk360 ha scritto:
I'm using Firefox 45 with webvisum using this configuration, so Webvisum works. If you read the post that I pasted in my mail you will notice that the config will not work after FF 46 (official info from mocilla).

Regards,
mk.

El 03/04/2016 a las 17:47, David Moore escribió:
You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43. That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.


El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the later versions of Firefox. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha available,
the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.



















Re: Enhancing NVDA's performance on microsoft word?

 

hello.
dont use libreoffice portable, because it crashes many times with nvda
and use installed version of libreoffice.
i only use libreoffice and its the best for me.
i did not try nvda with microsoft word and i dont have any information
about it to mention.
say all does not work in both libreoffice-openoffice until now.

On 4/3/16, Afrim <afrim.maja@...> wrote:
I hope it has been addressed. If it hasn't I may do it. Word is essential to
a lot of people.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@...> wrote:

Has a ticket been raised on this point. it is certainly true that long
documents in word are slow to edit at times in all versions of word.
Whether this issue to the method that nvda uses to hook into word or some
other thing I do not know and as I do not use long files very often, I can
live with it. Perhaps this came in when the browse and focus mode ways
of accessing the screen were put in? Has anyone tried an nvda version
before this to see if its any faster. It just occurred to me that creating
a virtual version of the file is a bit like having two versions open at
the same time and as nvda is 32 bit and a lot of machines are now 64 bit a
bit of a bottleneck might be produced here.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes saribas"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Enhancing NVDA's performance on microsoft word?


hi,
This problem has existed at least since last year. Unfortunatly no
concrete action was taken to fix or determine the cause of it.

On 4/3/2016 9:27 AM, Afrim wrote:
Hello everyone,
i am a frequent user of NVDA because my first screenreader is Jaws. I am
willing to switch to NVDA, but there are some barriers which prevent me
to come to NVDA family. My main problem starts with microsoft word. NvDA
is very slow when reading text, and when reading books which go up to
200 pages, it is unacceptable to use it. Long documents or books are
very common at university, so I can't avoid them by any means. I also
tried using libra office, but things grew even worse. I opened a 300
page book with that program and both NVDA and libra office crashed
desperately. I installed microsoft office 2013 and the performance
improved a bit, but still it is too slow compared to jaws. by the way,
I'm not making comperisons here, I just want to have NVDA working better
with word.
so, if there's anyone who could help me with this problem, I would be
very grateful and it would be highly appreciated.
sincerely,
Afrim.

Sent from my iPhone




--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: enhancing microsoft word:

 

hello.
i tested both libreoffice and open office and read many online
materials and documentations about them.
it depend on your need that which one you select.
but i mentione for you sometechnical points that i know andare
prominent for me.
1/ libreoffice is fortunately more independent and less need for java.
but open office is more relies on java.
for example: libreoffice only needs java for macros, data base etc.
but open office needs java for macros, data base, saving to xml and
some vizard like letter, fax, agenda and web page.
libreoffice saves inboth microsoft office 2003 and new office formats
like: doc, ppt, docx, pptx etc.
but open office only saves in microsoft office 2003 formats.
2/ libreoffice supports word count and character count in all of the
format which support in its version before version 5.
but in version 5.0 and later, it only supports word and character
count only for its special format which is .odt.
open office does not have this option.
and word-character format is special feature of libreoffice.
3/ both programs support many formats for openning and range of
libreoffice formats is more wide.
for example: libreoffice even supports many formats of mac for openning.
4/ libreoffice in version 4.3 shows its messages very accessible by
tab key and you can easily press tab and with using home to go to
first character and pressing control shift end, you can select it,
copy it and peist in other place.
but unfortunately the messages are not accessible easily in other
programs and you should nvda screen review and other nvda cursors to
access it.
5/ libreoffice has somecloud online services and open office does not have.
for example: google drive, one drive, sharepoint, etc.
6/ libreoffice since version 4.4 has an option for openGL and open
office does not have.
its very strungly recommended to deactivate it, in libreoffice tools,
options, libreoffice, view.
7/ say all does not work in both libreoffice and open office and you
should read your documents paragraph by paragraph.
8/ somesaid that open office is more stable and libreoffice has more
features that open office has not.
9/ open office translated to limited languages and you can select and
install only your own language.
but libreoffice is translated to more than 110 languages and when you
install it, it recognizes your locale language in your windows.
it installs only english and your local language.
10/ libreoffice help file should be installed separately.
but open office help is installed by default.
11/ if you want more information, you have refer to this link for
example, and also email me.

http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

thanks for your question and god bless you.

On 4/4/16, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
If these are well structured docs with headings, lists, tables, images,
etc. and you don't need to edit them, but instead navigate/read them. It
might be worth considering saving/exporting to HTML and interacting with it
using a web browser.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:32 PM Afrim <afrim.maja@...> wrote:

I have tried Libra office, I think I mentioned it in my first post.
It crashed along with NVDA. I may try open office though. I am going to
download it now.

On 4/3/2016 8:05 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
https://www.openoffice.org

You might also want to compare with https://www.libreoffice.org (and
maybe ask
people here who have used both) to see which is most accessible these
days.

On Sunday 03 April 2016 at 19:54:07, Afrim wrote:

Open office? No. What is this?
Regards,


Antony.



--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

 

hello.
i tested both libreoffice and open office and read many online
materials and documentations about them.
it depend on your need that which one you select.
but i mentione for you sometechnical points that i know andare
prominent for me.
1/ libreoffice is fortunately more independent and less need for java.
but open office is more relies on java.
for example: libreoffice only needs java for macros, data base etc.
but open office needs java for macros, data base, saving to xml and
some vizard like letter, fax, agenda and web page.
libreoffice saves inboth microsoft office 2003 and new office formats
like: doc, ppt, docx, pptx etc.
but open office only saves in microsoft office 2003 formats.
2/ libreoffice supports word count and character count in all of the
format which support in its version before version 5.
but in version 5.0 and later, it only supports word and character
count only for its special format which is .odt.
open office does not have this option.
and word-character format is special feature of libreoffice.
3/ both programs support many formats for openning and range of
libreoffice formats is more wide.
for example: libreoffice even supports many formats of mac for openning.
4/ libreoffice in version 4.3 shows its messages very accessible by
tab key and you can easily press tab and with using home to go to
first character and pressing control shift end, you can select it,
copy it and peist in other place.
but unfortunately the messages are not accessible easily in other
programs and you should nvda screen review and other nvda cursors to
access it.
5/ libreoffice has somecloud online services and open office does not have.
for example: google drive, one drive, sharepoint, etc.
6/ libreoffice since version 4.4 has an option for openGL and open
office does not have.
its very strungly recommended to deactivate it, in libreoffice tools,
options, libreoffice, view.
7/ say all does not work in both libreoffice and open office and you
should read your documents paragraph by paragraph.
8/ somesaid that open office is more stable and libreoffice has more
features that open office has not.
9/ open office translated to limited languages and you can select and
install only your own language.
but libreoffice is translated to more than 110 languages and when you
install it, it recognizes your locale language in your windows.
it installs only english and your local language.
10/ libreoffice help file should be installed separately.
but open office help is installed by default.
11/ if you want more information, you have refer to this link for
example, and also email me.

http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

thanks for your question and god bless you.

On 4/4/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi,

I like the fact that you don't have to alt tab to get to the type of
things you want to use such as a spread sheet. I tried libre office but
didn't like it as well.


On 4/3/2016 9:34 PM, Ali Colak wrote:
I have recently installed both OpenOffice 4.1.2 and libreoffice 5.16
and began experimenting. They have bothe come a long way in terms of
accesability since april of 2014, which was the last time I tried tem.
But I would like to ask members of the group, which one they would
recommend in terms of accessability and why? I'm sure everyone will
have a different opinion, but I would like to hear them, specifically
where accessability is concerned. I have already discovered that the
word count in openoffice seems more accessable.

Eager to read your opinions
Ali





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written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
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Re: Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

I like the fact that you don't have to alt tab to get to the type of things you want to use such as a spread sheet. I tried libre office but didn't like it as well.

On 4/3/2016 9:34 PM, Ali Colak wrote:
I have recently installed both OpenOffice 4.1.2 and libreoffice 5.16
and began experimenting. They have bothe come a long way in terms of
accesability since april of 2014, which was the last time I tried tem.
But I would like to ask members of the group, which one they would
recommend in terms of accessability and why? I'm sure everyone will
have a different opinion, but I would like to hear them, specifically
where accessability is concerned. I have already discovered that the
word count in openoffice seems more accessable.

Eager to read your opinions
Ali


Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

Ali Colak
 

I have recently installed both OpenOffice 4.1.2 and libreoffice 5.16
and began experimenting. They have bothe come a long way in terms of
accesability since april of 2014, which was the last time I tried tem.
But I would like to ask members of the group, which one they would
recommend in terms of accessability and why? I'm sure everyone will
have a different opinion, but I would like to hear them, specifically
where accessability is concerned. I have already discovered that the
word count in openoffice seems more accessable.

Eager to read your opinions
Ali


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Peter Chin
 

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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

mk360
 

Yeah, is a good idea for the new versions.

El 03/04/2016 a las 18:45, David Moore escribió:
Hi Gene,
Thanks a lot. I did not think of that. I will download a portable version of Firefox, because I hardly want to solve a Captscha. I need to seddle down. It has been a crazy weekend, and I am getting too bold for my own good on lists today. Thanks so much Gene, for that suggestion, because I really do want to still use web visum, and you just showed us how we can still do so. Have a great one.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
 
You can use an older version of Firefox portable on sites where you want to use Webvisum and the current version of Firefox everywhere else. 
 
If you use a lot of sites that require Webvisum, it may be more security risk than you want to take.  If, like many people, you don't use a lot of such sites, you may consider the security risk of using an older browser on a small number of sites to be worth taking. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
 
You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43.
That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all
one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we
need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message-----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


> Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on
> about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the
> instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.
>
>
> El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
>> You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted
>> to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew
>> there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep
>> disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any
>> other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the
>> later versions of Firefox. Take care.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>> degradation in current Firefox
>>
>> yes, that's true, what you say.
>> but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha
>> available,
>> the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
>> moment.
>> i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
>> or is that possible?
>> cheers
>> paul otter
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore"
>> <jesusloves1966@...>
>> To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>> degradation in current Firefox
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
>>> captschas and so on. Have a great one.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mallard
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>>> degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Ollie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and
>>>> that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>>>>
>>>> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>>>>> improvements went in!
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>>>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Canary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>>>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Unchecked.
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Checked
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Unchecked
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hey.
>>>>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>>>>         hth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>>>>             Firefox
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>>>>             escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

David Moore
 

Hi Gene,
Thanks a lot. I did not think of that. I will download a portable version of Firefox, because I hardly want to solve a Captscha. I need to seddle down. It has been a crazy weekend, and I am getting too bold for my own good on lists today. Thanks so much Gene, for that suggestion, because I really do want to still use web visum, and you just showed us how we can still do so. Have a great one.
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
 
You can use an older version of Firefox portable on sites where you want to use Webvisum and the current version of Firefox everywhere else. 
 
If you use a lot of sites that require Webvisum, it may be more security risk than you want to take.  If, like many people, you don't use a lot of such sites, you may consider the security risk of using an older browser on a small number of sites to be worth taking. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox
 
You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43.
That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all
one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we
need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message-----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


> Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on
> about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the
> instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.
>
>
> El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
>> You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted
>> to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew
>> there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep
>> disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any
>> other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the
>> later versions of Firefox. Take care.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>> degradation in current Firefox
>>
>> yes, that's true, what you say.
>> but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha
>> available,
>> the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
>> moment.
>> i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
>> or is that possible?
>> cheers
>> paul otter
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore"
>> <jesusloves1966@...>
>> To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>> degradation in current Firefox
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
>>> captschas and so on. Have a great one.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mallard
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>>> degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Ollie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and
>>>> that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>>>>
>>>> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>>>>> improvements went in!
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>>>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Canary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>>>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Unchecked.
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Checked
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Unchecked
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hey.
>>>>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>>>>         hth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>>>>             Firefox
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>>>>             escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Gene
 

You can use an older version of Firefox portable on sites where you want to use Webvisum and the current version of Firefox everywhere else. 
 
If you use a lot of sites that require Webvisum, it may be more security risk than you want to take.  If, like many people, you don't use a lot of such sites, you may consider the security risk of using an older browser on a small number of sites to be worth taking. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43.
That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all
one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we
need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message-----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


> Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on
> about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the
> instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.
>
>
> El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
>> You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted
>> to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew
>> there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep
>> disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any
>> other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the
>> later versions of Firefox. Take care.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>> degradation in current Firefox
>>
>> yes, that's true, what you say.
>> but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha
>> available,
>> the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
>> moment.
>> i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
>> or is that possible?
>> cheers
>> paul otter
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore"
>> <jesusloves1966@...>
>> To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>> degradation in current Firefox
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
>>> captschas and so on. Have a great one.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mallard
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
>>> degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Ollie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and
>>>> that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>>>>
>>>> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>>>>> improvements went in!
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>>>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Canary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>>>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Unchecked.
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Checked
>>>>>
>>>>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>>>>
>>>>>     Unchecked
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hey.
>>>>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>>>>         hth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>>>>             Firefox
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>>>>             escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: addressing emails in Thunderbird in NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Dan,

What I do is to put the addresses in my address book and then open the address book and use the classic mark move and select keystrokes (control + shift to move and space bar) to select addresses. Another way is once you have the addresses in your address book, make sure the address bar is shown in your view and layout settings in Thunderbird settings and then open a new message and back tab till you see the list of addresses. Then use the associated key strokes as you move up/down the list alt + A for To field, alt + C for CC field and Alt + B for BCC fields. Then tab to the subject and body and follow normal procedures.

On 4/3/2016 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,

I read the help page about this and it said to press enter after each address I entered in the to: field. However, when I try to send the email it comes back with an error and has all the email addresses as one long string instead of using it as individual addresses.

How do I address an email to multiple people using NVDA? I realize this may not be an NVDA issue but I am hoping there is some trick to doing this in NVDA.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

mk360
 

I'm using Firefox 45 with webvisum using this configuration, so Webvisum works. If you read the post that I pasted in my mail you will notice that the config will not work after FF 46 (official info from mocilla).

Regards,
mk.

El 03/04/2016 a las 17:47, David Moore escribió:
You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43. That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.


El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the later versions of Firefox. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha available,
the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.
















Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

David Moore
 

You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox 43. That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is nothing at all one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web Visum is gone, so we need to figure out something else Lol!

-----Original Message-----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things on about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted the instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.


El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never wanted to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of that. I knew there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do not want to keep disconnecting it and connecting it all the time either. Is there any other captscha solving service? Wev vism does not work anymore in the later versions of Firefox. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha available,
the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it at that
moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.












Re: addressing emails in Thunderbird in NVDA

Gene
 

First, you shouldn't place multiple addresses in the address line nor should you use the cc field unless you want others to know who got the message such as in a business or organization context.  If you are simply sending a message to a group of people and there is no reason for them to know who else received the message, use the BCC field.  Many people object to their e-mail addresses being splattered all over the internet.  Also, in such cases, place your address in the to line.  That will mean that you will get a copy of the message but that is not why it is done.  It is done to keep other peoples' addresses private. 
There is no trick with NVDA nor should there be.  Screen-readers should not provide ways of doing something that can be done well by a blind user in a program.
 
I don't know why you are having the problem you describe.  Knowing every step you are following might allow me or someone else to know. 
 
However, if you download and listen to this presentation excerpt, which is me explaining how to place contacts in messages in Thunderbird and control which field they are placed in, it may solve your problem as well as allow you to place addresses in the BCC field.
 
Gene

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 2:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] addressing emails in Thunderbird in NVDA

Hi,

I read the help page about this and it said to press enter after each
address I entered in the to: field.  However, when I try to send the
email it comes back with an error and has all the email addresses as one
long string instead of using it as individual addresses.

How do I address an email to multiple people using NVDA?  I realize this
may not be an NVDA issue but I am hoping there is some trick to doing
this in NVDA.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver



Re: addressing emails in Thunderbird in NVDA

Adrián Mena
 

Hello, you are right, the enter after each email should work, please
check that you are in the right line, it should be the one near the
subject line. In addition, Thunderberd has some other options as for,
cc, and bc, something like that, with those you can send emails to
different people without leting others know, you can get to those
lines using shift+tap, and them using the erros.
Hope it helps.

2016-04-03 13:40 GMT-06:00, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>:

Hi,

I read the help page about this and it said to press enter after each
address I entered in the to: field. However, when I try to send the
email it comes back with an error and has all the email addresses as one
long string instead of using it as individual addresses.

How do I address an email to multiple people using NVDA? I realize this
may not be an NVDA issue but I am hoping there is some trick to doing
this in NVDA.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver



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Re: enhancing microsoft word:

Kevin Chao
 

If these are well structured docs with headings, lists, tables, images, etc. and you don't need to edit them, but instead navigate/read them. It might be worth considering saving/exporting to HTML and interacting with it using a web browser.


On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:32 PM Afrim <afrim.maja@...> wrote:
    I have tried Libra office, I think I mentioned it in my first post.
It crashed along with NVDA. I may try open office though. I am going to
download it now.

On 4/3/2016 8:05 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
> https://www.openoffice.org
>
> You might also want to compare with https://www.libreoffice.org (and maybe ask
> people here who have used both) to see which is most accessible these days.
>
> On Sunday 03 April 2016 at 19:54:07, Afrim wrote:
>
>> Open office? No. What is this?
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>





Re: addressing emails in Thunderbird in NVDA

 

well you can put 1 address then in the cc field put all address seperated by a ,.
Or in the to field put address 1,address2 and so on.

On 4/04/2016 7:40 a.m., Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,

I read the help page about this and it said to press enter after each
address I entered in the to: field. However, when I try to send the
email it comes back with an error and has all the email addresses as one
long string instead of using it as individual addresses.

How do I address an email to multiple people using NVDA? I realize this
may not be an NVDA issue but I am hoping there is some trick to doing
this in NVDA.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver



addressing emails in Thunderbird in NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,

I read the help page about this and it said to press enter after each address I entered in the to: field. However, when I try to send the email it comes back with an error and has all the email addresses as one long string instead of using it as individual addresses.

How do I address an email to multiple people using NVDA? I realize this may not be an NVDA issue but I am hoping there is some trick to doing this in NVDA.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver


Re: enhancing microsoft word:

Afrim <afrim.maja@...>
 

I have tried Libra office, I think I mentioned it in my first post. It crashed along with NVDA. I may try open office though. I am going to download it now.

On 4/3/2016 8:05 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
https://www.openoffice.org

You might also want to compare with https://www.libreoffice.org (and maybe ask
people here who have used both) to see which is most accessible these days.

On Sunday 03 April 2016 at 19:54:07, Afrim wrote:

Open office? No. What is this?
Regards,


Antony.