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Re: Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Hi,
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You are not the only one with this problem. Somehow, when universal apps are launched, UIA believes it should fire multiple events somehow. As I worked on toast notification announcement, I'm looking into this. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds?This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332)
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Re: Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Rob
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds?This is creator update for me, just installed two days ago. Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.332)
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Re: nvda incompatible with flash in 64 bit firefox
enes sarıbaş
hi,
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now with 32 bit, with the greacemonkey kill windowless flash script installed, flash crashes every single time I press enter on an embeded object. This is really driving me crazy.
On 6/6/2017 3:41 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,
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Re: Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Hi,
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Is this on Creators Update only or on other builds? It appears something odd is going on with event handling, or UIA is sending too many show events in Creators Update (based on my own findings). I'm personally keeping an eye on this problem myself. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 5:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves I run a program called Pop Peeper: www.Esumsoft .com/ This is an email notifier. When it receives new messages, it pops up balloon tips, or what are called toasts now I guess. Now, however, on windows 10, if you restart Pop Peeper, the notifications it sends out are repeated by NVDA. If you restart the program again, the notifications are repeated three times. The only way to make this stop is by restarting NVDA. I talked to the developer of this program and he can't repeat this with narrator. I don't know of any other app which regularly sends out balloon tips/toasts in order to test the theory that it is this mechanism which causes the behavior.
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Re: Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Andre Fisher
This is an NVDA issue that I raised. Hopefully, the developers are
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looking into this, as I did give a good summary and it is reproduceable, as seen here.
On 6/5/17, Rob <captinlogic@...> wrote:
I run a program called Pop Peeper:
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Windows 10: Notifications Repeating Themselves
Rob
I run a program called Pop Peeper:
www.Esumsoft .com/ This is an email notifier. When it receives new messages, it pops up balloon tips, or what are called toasts now I guess. Now, however, on windows 10, if you restart Pop Peeper, the notifications it sends out are repeated by NVDA. If you restart the program again, the notifications are repeated three times. The only way to make this stop is by restarting NVDA. I talked to the developer of this program and he can't repeat this with narrator. I don't know of any other app which regularly sends out balloon tips/toasts in order to test the theory that it is this mechanism which causes the behavior.
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Re: Braille display cursor routing
Quentin Christensen
No problem at all, easy to do! I'm glad it was a nice easy fix :) Quentin.
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote: Thank you, and my apologies - I overlooked that setting, which must have been --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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nvda incompatible with flash in 64 bit firefox
enes sarıbaş
hi,
Why is nvda incompatible with flash in firefox 64 bit? This is absolutely unacceptable. All embed objects in firefox 64 bit are unavailable.
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Re: Ping NVDA Con folk
Quentin Christensen
Hi Brian, On the "Past Conferences" page, there are links to the recordings: https://www.nvdacon.org/past-conferences (jump down a couple of Heading level 2's) to get directly to the recordings. Regards Quentin.
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote: https://www.nvdacon.org/ --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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One new add-on, one revived add-on posted
Hi everyone,
Two add-ons (one new, one revived) are now available:
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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NVDA and mixers
Armando Maldonado
hello.
Whenever i open a channel on my mixer NVDA pipes
in. Is there a way to not have NVDA do such? I am using a Yamaha mg12XU Mixer
paired to a Tascam 4x4 USB interface, thanks.
Armando
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Re: Braille display cursor routing
Jason White
Thank you, and my apologies - I overlooked that setting, which must have been
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changed at some point for some reason. The method you describe below worked as advertised. Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Jason,
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Re: latest Skype update
Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...>
the win ten version
On 6/5/2017 4:21 PM, Gene New Zealand
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Re: Using Outlook
Steve Nutt
Hi,
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You might also want to turn off object descriptions, so that NVDA doesn't read the message envelope, this annoys me too. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green Sent: 05 June 2017 20:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Outlook Hi Kelby, Apologies if you receive this message more than once, Outlook crashed a couple of times when I was writing it and the message disappeared. In order to move to a new mailbox (folder in Outlook), press control+y. At this point and when moving messages to a folder with shift+control+v, you'll be in a tree view so may need to expand various branches with right arrow in order to see your various sub-folders, depending on your folder structure. There are a couple of other changes I recommend you make to NVDA and Outlook to make your Outlook experience more efficient, though these are a matter of personal preference. I don't like the fact that NVDA reads field labels such as "from", "Subject" etc when I arrow up and down the message list, I simply want to hear the name of the person, the content of the subject line etc. To prevent NVDA doing this, you can turn off the reading of column and row headers in Outlook. To do this, when in Outlook, press NVDA+control+P to load the Configuration Profiles dialog. You should press alt+n to create a new configuration, as you won't want to apply these changes across the board. You'll land in an edit field for the configuration name, I'd leave the default as is. Press tab and you'll land on a series of radio buttons which will dictate how the configuration is triggered. You want it to load each time you use Outlook, so choose the "current application" radio button. Press enter and you'll be ready to edit your new configuration profile. Press NVDA+control+d to load the Document Formatting dialog. Press tab until you find the row/column header checkbox, and uncheck it. Press enter to save your changes. You may also want to stop Outlook grouping messages. If you don't, when you arrow down and enter a new Outlook group such as previous day, previous week etc, NVDA will announce it. How you do this varies slightly in each version of Outlook. However, if you go to the View tab of the ribbon with alt+v, look for something like "arrange by". Press it, use the arrow keys to find "show in groups" and make sure that it is unchecked. To apply this change across all folders, go back into the View tab, choose "change view", use the arrow keys to choose "Apply the current view to all mail folders" and press enter. Cheers, Ed -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: 05 June 2017 15:42 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using Outlook Are there any good resources on using Outlook with NVDA? I'm just now attempting to get it set up; there are some things I'm finding easy but also things I have no idea how to do, like mailbox navigation.
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Re: latest Skype update
Tyler Wood
Hi, Hotkeys do work with NVDA to read chats. This is 100% accessible, I’m not sure what you mean by it’s inaccessible as tabbing around gives you all the rellivant info you have always gotten with the classic skype.
From: Jenni Kent
Sent: June 5, 2017 4:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] latest Skype update
I was able to go to skype.com and roll back to classic that's good. but it still troubles me they make these apps virtually inaccessible. but hey what can we do right i did get it to be usable but still with no hotkeys or anything it needs work.
On 6/3/2017 4:16 PM, David Moore wrote:
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Re: latest Skype update
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
On which version of skype the app or the desk top version?
The desktop version has short cut keys they just need to be enabled.
Gene nz
On 6/06/2017 9:01 AM, Jenni Kent wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Re: latest Skype update
Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...>
I was able to go to skype.com and roll back to classic that's
good. but it still troubles me they make these apps virtually
inaccessible. but hey what can we do right i did get it to be
usable but still with no hotkeys or anything it needs work.
On 6/3/2017 4:16 PM, David Moore wrote:
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Sluggish reading of emails in Outlook
Edward Green <ergreen1981@...>
Hi all,
I’m using NVDA 2017.2 on an HP Spectre 13 laptop running Windows 10 Creator’s Edition.
I’m finding that NVDA performs sluggishly when reading the body of emails by line in Outlook 2016. There’s probably a 0.5-0.775 second delay between me pressing the down arrow and hearing any text.
I’m using SAPI 5 Eloquence as my default speech synthesiser but am getting similar results with ESpeak.
Is there anything I can do to improve NVDA’s responsiveness?
Cheers,
Ed
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Re: Using Outlook
Edward Green <ergreen1981@...>
Hi Kelby,
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Apologies if you receive this message more than once, Outlook crashed a couple of times when I was writing it and the message disappeared. In order to move to a new mailbox (folder in Outlook), press control+y. At this point and when moving messages to a folder with shift+control+v, you'll be in a tree view so may need to expand various branches with right arrow in order to see your various sub-folders, depending on your folder structure. There are a couple of other changes I recommend you make to NVDA and Outlook to make your Outlook experience more efficient, though these are a matter of personal preference. I don't like the fact that NVDA reads field labels such as "from", "Subject" etc when I arrow up and down the message list, I simply want to hear the name of the person, the content of the subject line etc. To prevent NVDA doing this, you can turn off the reading of column and row headers in Outlook. To do this, when in Outlook, press NVDA+control+P to load the Configuration Profiles dialog. You should press alt+n to create a new configuration, as you won't want to apply these changes across the board. You'll land in an edit field for the configuration name, I'd leave the default as is. Press tab and you'll land on a series of radio buttons which will dictate how the configuration is triggered. You want it to load each time you use Outlook, so choose the "current application" radio button. Press enter and you'll be ready to edit your new configuration profile. Press NVDA+control+d to load the Document Formatting dialog. Press tab until you find the row/column header checkbox, and uncheck it. Press enter to save your changes. You may also want to stop Outlook grouping messages. If you don't, when you arrow down and enter a new Outlook group such as previous day, previous week etc, NVDA will announce it. How you do this varies slightly in each version of Outlook. However, if you go to the View tab of the ribbon with alt+v, look for something like "arrange by". Press it, use the arrow keys to find "show in groups" and make sure that it is unchecked. To apply this change across all folders, go back into the View tab, choose "change view", use the arrow keys to choose "Apply the current view to all mail folders" and press enter. Cheers, Ed
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: 05 June 2017 15:42 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using Outlook Are there any good resources on using Outlook with NVDA? I'm just now attempting to get it set up; there are some things I'm finding easy but also things I have no idea how to do, like mailbox navigation.
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NVDA and Outlook 2017
Sam Bushman
Hi All,
I am having some problems with nvda and outlook 2017. When I launch nvda and then launch outlook I get a two tone sound – I think it means an error in NVDA. I have the log with the nvda errors below. Is this the right list to provide this feedback or can someone please direct me to the correct venue?
I am currently running windows 10 64-bit pro – with the creators updates. This has been tested with NVDA several versions including the latest 2017.2.
INFO - __main__ (11:30:01.285): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (11:30:01.747): Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (11:30:01.749): Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (11:30:01.852): NVDA version master-14090,3c71fb34 INFO - core.main (11:30:01.852): Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation INFO - core.main (11:30:01.852): Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (11:30:01.854): Using comtypes version 0.6.2 INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (11:30:02.378): Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (11:30:03.201): Loaded synthDriver espeak INFO - core.main (11:30:03.203): Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) INFO - braille.initialize (11:30:03.206): Using liblouis version 3.0.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (11:30:03.207): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - brailleInput.initialize (11:30:03.207): Braille input initialized WARNING - core.main (11:30:03.240): Java Access Bridge not available INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (11:30:03.246): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3 INFO - core.main (11:30:03.540): NVDA initialized ERROR - NVDAObjects.behaviors.LiveText._monitor (11:30:23.411): Error getting initial lines Traceback (most recent call last): File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 258, in _monitor File "NVDAObjects\window\winConsole.pyc", line 49, in _getTextLines File "winConsoleHandler.pyc", line 121, in getConsoleVisibleLines File "wincon.pyc", line 70, in GetConsoleScreenBufferInfo WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid. ERROR - RPC process 5876 (nvda_slave.exe) (11:30:45.286): __main__.main: slave error Traceback (most recent call last): File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable ERROR - RPC process 7224 (nvda_slave.exe) (11:32:09.381): __main__.main: slave error Traceback (most recent call last): File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (11:32:27.438): Developer info for navigator object: name: u"unread From CNET Daily News, Subject Apple's developers event begins: How to follow it live , Received Mon 6/5/2017 11:24 AM, Size 112 KB," role: ROLE_LISTITEM states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_READONLY, STATE_SELECTED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x04C8D5F0> Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: '' location: (361, 906, 1522, 27) value: None appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 8620) at address 4cc9470> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook' appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2115' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'> windowHandle: 7214478 windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid' windowControlID: 4704 windowStyle: 1442840576 windowThreadID: 11096 windowText: u'Table View' displayText: u'' UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x6581e98 at 4c93df0> UIA automationID: UIA frameworkID: UIA runtimeID: (42, 7214478, 3, -568, 1060879360, 30596590) UIA providerDescription: [pid:8620,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)] UIA className: LeafRow
Please let me know what else I can do to be the most helpful.
Thanks, Sam
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