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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

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Hi I cannot duplicate this problem in Windows 7 with UK English with either laptop or desktop set up with or without capslock set as nvda key.

Suggestions.
Something to do with maybe Windows 10 if this is in use on all machines
Oddity in then add on or other software running blocking that key combination from working.
Only way to prove its nvda is to go back to an old version and report back, but from what you say that might not be ideal either.

I wonder what language is set on the machine, could it be mapping that key before nvda gets to it?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <@AHeart4God316>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 12:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key


OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

What gives!

Chris.


Sapi 5 mobile add-onRE: [nvda] Using Outlook

Joseph Norton
 

Hi list:

 

I found an add-on on the page called “Jeff’s NVDA Add-on Page” that allows NVDA to be used with the SAPI 5 mobile voices, of which there are 2 really perky ones, Mark in the US English category and Richard in the US Canada category.

 

Was this written by NV Access.  It says it was, but, it doesn't seem to be on the regular NVDA add-ons page, and, if it was written by NV Access, I would have thought it would be right there.

 

This would seem to be a useful add-on to be readily available, but, maybe it's too bugy or something.  Or, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place on the main NV Access add-ons pages.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Hi to all. Asfar as I can tell, my NVDA IS WORKING JUST FINE. i CAN
USE MY INSERT KEY JUST FINE. I wasn't sure if I had the latest
version of NVDA, but I checked for updates and my NVDA told me I was
up to date.

On 6/9/17, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
Keyboard language settings?


Only thing that comes to mind.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-06-09 02:45, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I knew you would know the difference, I'm just running out of ideas to
check :)

I'll keep thinking on it and check with Mick and Jamie.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>> wrote:

I'm aware of the difference in the 6pack extended insert key, and
the numpad insert key, and yes, I am absolutely 100% sure.
I'd call you all's tech support line, but I can't afford support
right now; don't have the money. This is driving me however to
absolute drinking, which with the stress lately I've been under in
general, is the last thing I need to do!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA
modifier key

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an
NVDA modifier key" checked? (There are two insert options -
the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" -
that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert,
delete, home, end, page up and page down).


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>> wrote:

If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all
different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything
from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two
Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and
it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575 <tel:%28980%29%20500-9575>

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the
NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0? If it was
one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key
might have gone, but you say it's happening on
multiple computers? Are they all the same type of
computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark
Gilland <@AHeart4God316
<mailto:@AHeart4God316>> wrote:

Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use
caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575 <tel:%28980%29%20500-9575>

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Quentin Christensen
<mailto:quentin@...>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem
with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that. If you press
NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does
NVDA report when you then press the numpad
insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland
<@AHeart4God316
<mailto:@AHeart4God316>> wrote:

OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly
surprised that no one has seen it, given
the fact I've reproduced it on about 6
different computers here, and have also
had about 5 of my other friends reproduce
it as well.
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my
numpad insert key has completely stopped
working as the NVDA modifier.
I looked in the keyboard preferences and
both caps lock and numpad insert are
checked. I've unchecked and re, checked
both checkboxes individually as well as at
the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've
rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and
simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with
not a single addon running, and all
default stock settings.
I've tried with both a portable copy, as
well as a full installation.
I've converted a portable to a full
install, as well as downloaded the setup
file and installed directly with no success.
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no
traces of any app data were behind. Then
reinstalled. No good.
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows
7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those,
I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows
10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a
college student try with Windows 10
Education. All of those were tested as
well on both X86 and X64. This was
reproduced on every single one of those
systems 100% consistently.
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num
lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
I looked through the diag logs and saw
nothing that indicated what the problem was.
I checked for an NVDA update and found
nothing.
I installed the snapshot next branch and
had the same problem.
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't
something screwy in general going on with
my insert key, but in JFW, it works
flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning
on more than one system...
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP
Pro, and that even was reproducible.
What gives!
Chris.




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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with
NVDA E-Books now available:
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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA
E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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Twitter: @NVAccess




--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess




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available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

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I just tried to install it on my Windows 7 box and it claims it cannot move a file during the install then cannot continue any further. If you force it then it cannot find a file to run.
I've gone back to version 5.4

Brian

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Re: W10 creators update

Jacob Kruger
 

While I find the windows 10 start menu, etc. pretty usable, I am actually running classic shell version of start menu, since it suits me better - gives you the windows 7 start menu equivalent, and, thus, shut down is bring up start menu, tab twice, and hit enter.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-06-09 06:32, slery wrote:

I get to the shut down button every day using the keyboard. Press windows key, tab (this takes you to the navigation pane) and arrow down till you get the right button.

 

I find it very annoying that so many things now take you multiple steps to do when the used to be one or two steps.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.



Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Jacob Kruger
 

Keyboard language settings?


Only thing that comes to mind.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-06-09 02:45, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I knew you would know the difference, I'm just running out of ideas to check :)

I'll keep thinking on it and check with Mick and Jamie.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
I'm aware of the difference in the 6pack extended insert key, and the numpad insert key, and yes, I am absolutely 100% sure.
 
I'd call you all's tech support line, but I can't afford support right now; don't have the money. This is driving me however to absolute drinking, which with the stress lately I've been under in general, is the last thing I need to do!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key" checked?  (There are two insert options - the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" - that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert, delete, home, end, page up and page down).


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.



--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: W10 creators update

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Thanks bunches for the short-cut.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I do not have a direct opinion about the creator's update.  However, I am curious about your statement that you can't use the keyboard to get to the power button. 

 

I use windows 10 also and have no problems getting to the power button.  I can get to it via the start window by pressing the windows key and then tabbing twice then pressing the spacebar to activate the navigation menu.  I then cursor down several times and  the last choice I get to is the power button.  I press the spacebar and it brings up the choices for sleep, restart, shutdown etc.

 

I have recently found also that I can get to the restart, shutdown etc choices more easily by pressing window+x.  I then cursor up twice and this gets me to the shutdown/logout submenu.  In there you will find the different options.

 

This same context menu has access to lots of other things that I previously found hard to find.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 6/2/2017 10:46 AM, The Gamages wrote:

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.

 


Re: W10 creators update

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I get to the shut down button every day using the keyboard. Press windows key, tab (this takes you to the navigation pane) and arrow down till you get the right button.

 

I find it very annoying that so many things now take you multiple steps to do when the used to be one or two steps.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] W10 creators update

 

I have been looking at the content of the new creators update for W 10, it seems, as always, there is little to make our lives easier as blind and visually impaired.  Three D pictures and gaming, plus “improved” edge browser.

It would be better if theyconcentrated on things that have gone wrong so far, one such is the innability of getting to the power button with the keyboard, I don’t thinl this is only me as others have reported it on freelists, it’s stil there and accessigble with the mouse, but the keyboard? no, I can close down with alt f4 of course, but that’s not the point.

After all that, do you think this is going to be yet another of those updates  which will install whether we like it or not? it seems likely if we have automatic updates set.  I don’t want it at any price, it will do nothing to make my life easier, indeed, it may even make it harder and more complicated.

What is your opinion on the subject? I know Microsoft intend to ask if we want to do anything with our settings, but we should have the option of refusing this update, it’s the thing that I don’t like about W10, it seems to want to do things to our machines whether we want it or not, I state as an example that my Wife’s photos were put into completely different folders without her permission when she got the anniversary update, I suppose she must have clicked to say she wanted it, but she can’t remember doing any such thing.

O K rant over, comments please!!!

 

Jim.


Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


No worries.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

I knew you would know the difference, I'm just running out of ideas to check :)

I'll keep thinking on it and check with Mick and Jamie.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
I'm aware of the difference in the 6pack extended insert key, and the numpad insert key, and yes, I am absolutely 100% sure.
 
I'd call you all's tech support line, but I can't afford support right now; don't have the money. This is driving me however to absolute drinking, which with the stress lately I've been under in general, is the last thing I need to do!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key" checked?  (There are two insert options - the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" - that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert, delete, home, end, page up and page down).


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Quentin Christensen
 

I knew you would know the difference, I'm just running out of ideas to check :)

I'll keep thinking on it and check with Mick and Jamie.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
I'm aware of the difference in the 6pack extended insert key, and the numpad insert key, and yes, I am absolutely 100% sure.
 
I'd call you all's tech support line, but I can't afford support right now; don't have the money. This is driving me however to absolute drinking, which with the stress lately I've been under in general, is the last thing I need to do!
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key" checked?  (There are two insert options - the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" - that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert, delete, home, end, page up and page down).


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Rui Fontes
 

Very odd problem!
In the portuguese and brazilian community didn't happen with no one...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Data: 9 de junho de 2017 00:11
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key


OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

What gives!

Chris.


Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I'm aware of the difference in the 6pack extended insert key, and the numpad insert key, and yes, I am absolutely 100% sure.
 
I'd call you all's tech support line, but I can't afford support right now; don't have the money. This is driving me however to absolute drinking, which with the stress lately I've been under in general, is the last thing I need to do!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key" checked?  (There are two insert options - the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" - that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert, delete, home, end, page up and page down).


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Quentin Christensen
 

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key" checked?  (There are two insert options - the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" - that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert, delete, home, end, page up and page down).


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Quentin Christensen
 

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Quentin Christensen
 

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
 
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
 
I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.
 
I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
 
I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.
 
I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
 
I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
 
I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.
 
Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.
 
I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.
 
I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
 
I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
 
I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...
 
I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
 
What gives!
 
Chris.




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Re: FW: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Joseph, Larry,

This was a common issue at one point last year, and we fixed it in NVDA 2016.3.  I had a report of it recently from someone after updating to NVDA 2017.2, but then they advised it disappeared again.  I just had a look myself and couldn't reproduce it on my machine.  I forced Outlook 2016 to check for updates and it did do an update and it still isn't giving that message for me now.

Has anyone else got that "associated drafts, no associated drafts" message lately?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:58 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Can anyone write to Larry privately and see if we can reproduce this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Larry Honaker [mailto:kc8pdx@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:38 AM
To: 'Joseph Lee' <joseph.lee22590@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

It’s installed on a desktop. I just uninstalled and went out and got the latest version, reinstalled.

 

Same results.

lh

 

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

E-mail: kc8pdx@...

 

Skype: doublezero2369

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:45 AM
To: 'Larry Honaker' <kc8pdx@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Hi,

Is this a portable version of NVDA or an installed copy? If it’s an installed copy, chances are that, somehow, UIA or something underneath isn’t responding well.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Larry Honaker [mailto:kc8pdx@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:19 AM
To: 'Joseph Lee' <joseph.lee22590@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Thanks Joseph for responding. I do have the latest, 2017.2 loaded.

What else my friend?

Lh

 

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

E-mail: kc8pdx@...

 

Skype: doublezero2369

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:13 AM
To: 'Larry Honaker' <kc8pdx@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Hi,

Which version of NVDA did you get? To check, press Insert+N, go to Help menu, then go to About and listen carefully. If you have versions other than 2017.2, you should use the new version, as it does not announce “associated draft” and similar messages.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Larry Honaker [mailto:kc8pdx@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:54 AM
To: joseph.lee22590@...
Subject: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I am an old dog trying hard to learn new tricks; translation: I have been a JAWS user since the beginning but am now trying hard to convert to NVDA. Other than trying to get a real handle on the object navigation, the real issue I have is when using Outlook 2016.

 

When looking at the list of messages, NVDA has at the beginning of every message:

Associated Draft No Associated Draft. Then the rest of the message header info. I have looked at various settings under NVDA to turn this description off but cannot figure it out.

 

It is very annoying; no other screen reader reports this.

 

Do you have any idea what I can do?

 

Most cordially yours,

 

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

E-mail: kc8pdx@...

 

Skype: doublezero2369

 




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Re: latest Skype update

Arlene
 

That's great! My account for it is completely and totally gone! so is the program! The program that caused me nothing but big fat problems! I hope to never see skype again!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: June-08-17 3:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest Skype update

I have been a skype user for about 9 or 10 years. I don't use it as much as I once did, but I'd never get rid of my skype account. I've got my own skype number and also people can call me with regular telephones if they wanted. I use to use skype for all my phone calls until my computer got a virus last year and I got a very nice flip phone. I recently got a braille not touch and I got skype on that android device. It works pretty well. There is a lot of tabbing you do have to do, but I don't mind it. I have a bunch of favorites set up for the people I call the most and can easily get to the favorites part of my contact list using both the android version of skype and my desktop version. I'll keep my desktop version of skype as long as I can.

On 6/8/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
hi


There are plenty of us on the list who use Skype for communications to
our friends and family. I guess at times if you do not adapt you get
left behind or find a alternative to do the same job if it is accessible.


I know of plenty of people who just say it is to hard but when they
learn how to use it then they find it quite easy to use Skype.


if they made it totally not usable there would be plenty of people
jumping up and down in the blind community.


Gene nz



On 9/06/2017 9:19 AM, Arlene wrote:

I got rid of it and my skype account in case it does go. if it does I
wont have to worry about it!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: June-08-17 3:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest Skype update

Well you are right, the current skype is junk.

I do have the nvda group on there mainly and I do chat to a few people.

If skype goes, then wellI suppose I will just not use skype at all.

That sucks to be honest.




On 8/06/2017 4:17 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


I haven't used skype in years because I had problems with it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest Skype update

Well, Like I said, Skype is junk!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: June-07-17 8:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest Skype update

Hmph not really, I like skype classic, no skype for me then.




On 6/06/2017 7:36 p.m., Chris wrote:


It looks like they are going to kill off the desktop version of skype
in july

That’s progress I guess ☹














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Re: Apple WWDC Keynote

David Moore
 

Amen! I am so happy you are seeing the light! Apple is just patting people on the head and saying, there you go, you poor disabled person, I did this for you to make this accessible. They do not care about the Disabled at all. All they want is money. Now Microsoft, they are begging for our input on making win10 as accessible as it can be. MS really cares about us blind people, and many blind people are employed by Microsoft. Another company who goes out of the way to make the product accessible is Drop Box. They actually train some of their workers to use Drop Box under blind folds. That is how far they go out of the way to be accessible. Apple just wants a pat on the back for making their iPhones and so on accessible right out of the box. Microsoft will knock Apple out of the water someday, I can’t wait to celebrate when they do LOL!

Have a great one, guys!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

No kidding. I used to be quite an Apple fanatic, but I'm rapidly seeing the light.

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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 6:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

I think as an accessability issue to those not into apple its a staring case
of apple centric ism in my view.
 They really need to get themselves sorted.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Masic" <list@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote


> Hi. I'M not believe this is something wich belong to this list, however i
> will reply anyway.
>
> You are only able to watch WWDC in PC by using EDGE. If you dont't have
> Edge, you must follow it on other platforms. I know... The keynot have
> already been, however you can stil watch it, and there is also other
> stuff, for instans accessibility sesion wich still havebn't been and
> intresteed for us.
>
>
>
>
> Den 2017-06-05 kl. 18:54, skrev Lino Morales:
>> Does anyone know how to watch the keynote with Edge using NVDA? Thanks.
>>
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