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Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Kwork
 

Same here. No problem on Win 7, 64-bit. Jarte Plus.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks


I have Jarte plus and had no problem installing the latest update on my
windows 7 machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline Smith
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Good Morning,


Thanks for the warning regarding the latest version of Jarte. For now, I
will use the older version.


Pauline



On 6/9/2017 2:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I just tried to install it on my Windows 7 box and it claims it cannot
move a file during the install then cannot continue any further. If you
force it then it cannot find a file to run.
I've gone back to version 5.4

Brian

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Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

 

hello.
please nvda users and developers read whats new in jarte website!
i read that for some changes in nvda, nvda causes error in jarte and
developers of jarte prevented the error!
thanks so much and God bless you all!

On 6/10/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <@AHeart4God316> wrote:
OK. Will have a look.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Antony Stone
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks


http://www.jarte.com/jarte_plus.html may be the answer you're looking
for.

Antony.

On Friday 09 June 2017 20:05:06 Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> You know... I'm so glad this discussion has come up, as I was curious.
> What're the main differences in the Plus version vs. the free version?
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FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] NVDA Plugin Development Help!

 

Hi James,

See the below response from one of the NVDA developers.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: James Teh [mailto:jamie@...]
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 6:59 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] NVDA Plugin Development Help!

 

You can already navigate to next separator, which includes hr. To add more quick navs, you'd need to use the addQuickNav class method on the base browse mode document and also support that quick nav type in the _iterNodesByType method of the browse mode implementation for each browser; e.g. virtualBuffers/gecko_ia2.py for Firefox and Chrome. You'll need to work out how each browser exposes the thing you want to do the latter part.

Sent from a mobile device


On 10 Jun 2017, at 10:22 am, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Anyone have any comments on this?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Jenkins
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Plugin Development Help!

 

Hello everyone

I am still very new to NVDA but so far I have loved it. I have been looking at writing a plugin for NVDA that would enhance web browser navigation capabilities. I want to have the plugin be capable of navigating to other HTML tags other than the default ones that are supported (such as links, headings, landmarks, ect). For instance, the plugin would be capable of navigating to the next <section> or <hr> tag. I guess I should first ask if this is even possible? I've gone over a lot of the documentation for writing plugins as well as several of the .py files found on Github (especially the browseMode.py file and virtualBuffers folder). The closes thing I have found would be to add another QuickNav but I feel certain that this would not fully accomplish what I want. Am I on the right track? What do I need to do or learn to make this plugin a reality? Any help would be greatly apprecaited!

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Re: Sapi 5 mobile add-on

Andre Fisher
 

If I do a Google search of 'NVDA next snapshots' I find that the page
to download Master and Next versions are on the page. The versions are
under heading levels, and the snapshots, in order of most recent, are
in tables.

Cheers.

On 6/9/17, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
Could someone post the link to the next snapshot?

On 6/9/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Wow, that's gonna be neat!







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sapi 5 mobile add-on



Unless you'd like to run the next snapshot of NVDA. It will be included
in
NVDA 2017.3.



On 6/9/2017 1:58 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi:



It’s already installed in Windows 10 if you’re using US English. It’s
just
that NVDA doesn’t recognize it at this time.





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Windows
10



From: David Mehler <mailto:dave.mehler@...>
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sapi 5 mobile add-on



Hello,



How do you get the mark voice mobile?



Thanks.

Dave.





On 6/9/17, Joseph Norton <mailto:joseph.norton@...>
<joseph.norton@...> wrote:

Ah: That’s great.
Both the Mark and Richard voices are fairly lively sounding and will
make
excellent alternatives. Not as responsive as eSpeak, but, they do add
more
choices.
Thanks!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sapi 5 mobile add-onRE: [nvda] Using Outlook
Hi,
There will come a day when you don’t have to visit that website nor
install
that add-on to use that synthesizer with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Norton
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Sapi 5 mobile add-onRE: [nvda] Using Outlook
Hi list:
I found an add-on on the page called “Jeff’s NVDA Add-on Page” that
allows
NVDA to be used with the SAPI 5 mobile voices, of which there are 2
really
perky ones, Mark in the US English category and Richard in the US Canada
category.
Was this written by NV Access. It says it was, but, it doesn't seem to
be
on the regular NVDA add-ons page, and, if it was written by NV Access, I
would have thought it would be right there.
This would seem to be a useful add-on to be readily available, but,
maybe
it's too bugy or something. Or, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place on
the
main NV Access add-ons pages.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10











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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I'd be more than happy to do that, if someone can walk me through the steps.
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

That's what I meant. 
 
I have no idea why you and a number of people have this experience while a lot of users don't.  Perhaps sending relevant information from the log to developers might be the best way to proceed.  I don't know enough about getting information from the log nor where to send it to discuss the matter further but someone else probably will provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Gene,
 
Thank you for advocating for me on this so I didn't have to again repeat myself. That is incredibly appreciated, and no. I do not mean that sarcastically either. Really, I do thank you.
 
Yeah, it's the  weirdest thing I've seen! And just to answer your question, Gene, I'm using the standard American English language with country region set to United States. I presume that is what you meant.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Did you read the entire message?  It says that many machines of many different users were tried.  It says that both Windows 7 and Windows 10 were tried.  It says that JAWS was tried and the problem didn't exist.  It is clear that the problem didn't exist before installing 17.2.  The message says:
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
It might be relevant to verify which version of English the computers are set for and to try running 17.1 again but almost every condition you asked about has been tested for, including running without add ons. 
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Hi I cannot duplicate this problem in Windows 7 with UK English with either
laptop or desktop set up with or without  capslock set as nvda key.

Suggestions.
 Something to do with maybe Windows 10 if this is in use on all machines
Oddity in then add on or other software running blocking that key
combination from working.
 Only way to prove its nvda is to go back to an old version and report back,
but from what you say that might not be ideal either.

I wonder what language is set on the machine, could it be mapping that key
before nvda gets to it?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 12:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key


OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it,
given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and
have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely
stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert
are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as
well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded
all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon
running, and all default stock settings.

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup
file and installed directly with no success.

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were
behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3
of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's
a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as
well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those
systems 100% consistently.

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far
gone.

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the
problem was.

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on
with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's
happenning on more than one system...

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

What gives!

Chris.




Re: Apple WWDC Keynote

David Moore
 

Hi Chris,

Please email me off list. I would love to hear what you are thinking.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

They are, but... there are other things, accessibility not withstanding that're making me reconsider some things. That's kind of off topic though, so I'll let it rest.

---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 5:38 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t apple products and apps accessible?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

No kidding. I used to be quite an Apple fanatic, but I'm rapidly seeing the light.

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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 6:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

I think as an accessability issue to those not into apple its a staring case
of apple centric ism in my view.
 They really need to get themselves sorted.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Masic" <list@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote


> Hi. I'M not believe this is something wich belong to this list, however i
> will reply anyway.
>
> You are only able to watch WWDC in PC by using EDGE. If you dont't have
> Edge, you must follow it on other platforms. I know... The keynot have
> already been, however you can stil watch it, and there is also other
> stuff, for instans accessibility sesion wich still havebn't been and
> intresteed for us.
>
>
>
>
> Den 2017-06-05 kl. 18:54, skrev Lino Morales:
>> Does anyone know how to watch the keynote with Edge using NVDA? Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

 


Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Gene
 

That's what I meant. 
 
I have no idea why you and a number of people have this experience while a lot of users don't.  Perhaps sending relevant information from the log to developers might be the best way to proceed.  I don't know enough about getting information from the log nor where to send it to discuss the matter further but someone else probably will provide information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Gene,
 
Thank you for advocating for me on this so I didn't have to again repeat myself. That is incredibly appreciated, and no. I do not mean that sarcastically either. Really, I do thank you.
 
Yeah, it's the  weirdest thing I've seen! And just to answer your question, Gene, I'm using the standard American English language with country region set to United States. I presume that is what you meant.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Did you read the entire message?  It says that many machines of many different users were tried.  It says that both Windows 7 and Windows 10 were tried.  It says that JAWS was tried and the problem didn't exist.  It is clear that the problem didn't exist before installing 17.2.  The message says:
Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
It might be relevant to verify which version of English the computers are set for and to try running 17.1 again but almost every condition you asked about has been tested for, including running without add ons. 
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Hi I cannot duplicate this problem in Windows 7 with UK English with either
laptop or desktop set up with or without  capslock set as nvda key.

Suggestions.
 Something to do with maybe Windows 10 if this is in use on all machines
Oddity in then add on or other software running blocking that key
combination from working.
 Only way to prove its nvda is to go back to an old version and report back,
but from what you say that might not be ideal either.

I wonder what language is set on the machine, could it be mapping that key
before nvda gets to it?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 12:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key


OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it,
given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and
have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely
stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert
are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as
well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded
all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon
running, and all default stock settings.

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup
file and installed directly with no success.

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were
behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3
of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's
a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as
well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those
systems 100% consistently.

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far
gone.

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the
problem was.

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on
with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's
happenning on more than one system...

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

What gives!

Chris.




Re: Sapi 5 mobile add-on

Lenron
 

Could someone post the link to the next snapshot?

On 6/9/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Wow, that's gonna be neat!







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sapi 5 mobile add-on



Unless you'd like to run the next snapshot of NVDA. It will be included in
NVDA 2017.3.



On 6/9/2017 1:58 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

Hi:



It’s already installed in Windows 10 if you’re using US English. It’s just
that NVDA doesn’t recognize it at this time.





Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10



From: David Mehler <mailto:dave.mehler@...>
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sapi 5 mobile add-on



Hello,



How do you get the mark voice mobile?



Thanks.

Dave.





On 6/9/17, Joseph Norton <mailto:joseph.norton@...>
<joseph.norton@...> wrote:

Ah: That’s great.
Both the Mark and Richard voices are fairly lively sounding and will make
excellent alternatives. Not as responsive as eSpeak, but, they do add
more
choices.
Thanks!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sapi 5 mobile add-onRE: [nvda] Using Outlook
Hi,
There will come a day when you don’t have to visit that website nor
install
that add-on to use that synthesizer with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Norton
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Sapi 5 mobile add-onRE: [nvda] Using Outlook
Hi list:
I found an add-on on the page called “Jeff’s NVDA Add-on Page” that
allows
NVDA to be used with the SAPI 5 mobile voices, of which there are 2
really
perky ones, Mark in the US English category and Richard in the US Canada
category.
Was this written by NV Access. It says it was, but, it doesn't seem to
be
on the regular NVDA add-ons page, and, if it was written by NV Access, I
would have thought it would be right there.
This would seem to be a useful add-on to be readily available, but, maybe
it's too bugy or something. Or, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place on
the
main NV Access add-ons pages.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10










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Re: NVDA Plugin Development Help!

 

Hi,

This is something that requires deep hacks from plugins. I’ll forward your question to the development mailing list in hopes of getting an answer for you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Jenkins
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Plugin Development Help!

 

Hello everyone

I am still very new to NVDA but so far I have loved it. I have been looking at writing a plugin for NVDA that would enhance web browser navigation capabilities. I want to have the plugin be capable of navigating to other HTML tags other than the default ones that are supported (such as links, headings, landmarks, ect). For instance, the plugin would be capable of navigating to the next <section> or <hr> tag. I guess I should first ask if this is even possible? I've gone over a lot of the documentation for writing plugins as well as several of the .py files found on Github (especially the browseMode.py file and virtualBuffers folder). The closes thing I have found would be to add another QuickNav but I feel certain that this would not fully accomplish what I want. Am I on the right track? What do I need to do or learn to make this plugin a reality? Any help would be greatly apprecaited!


Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

OK. Will have a look.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

http://www.jarte.com/jarte_plus.html may be the answer you're looking for.

Antony.

On Friday 09 June 2017 20:05:06 Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> You know... I'm so glad this discussion has come up, as I was curious.
> What're the main differences in the Plus version vs. the free version? ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

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I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way
is to make it so simple that there are _obviously_ no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no _obvious_
deficiencies.

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Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Antony Stone
 

http://www.jarte.com/jarte_plus.html may be the answer you're looking for.

Antony.

On Friday 09 June 2017 20:05:06 Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know... I'm so glad this discussion has come up, as I was curious.
What're the main differences in the Plus version vs. the free version? ---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
--
I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way
is to make it so simple that there are _obviously_ no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no _obvious_
deficiencies.

- C A R Hoare

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


NVDA Plugin Development Help!

James Jenkins
 

Hello everyone

I am still very new to NVDA but so far I have loved it. I have been looking at writing a plugin for NVDA that would enhance web browser navigation capabilities. I want to have the plugin be capable of navigating to other HTML tags other than the default ones that are supported (such as links, headings, landmarks, ect). For instance, the plugin would be capable of navigating to the next <section> or <hr> tag. I guess I should first ask if this is even possible? I've gone over a lot of the documentation for writing plugins as well as several of the .py files found on Github (especially the browseMode.py file and virtualBuffers folder). The closes thing I have found would be to add another QuickNav but I feel certain that this would not fully accomplish what I want. Am I on the right track? What do I need to do or learn to make this plugin a reality? Any help would be greatly apprecaited!


Re: Apple WWDC Keynote

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


They are, but... there are other things, accessibility not withstanding that're making me reconsider some things. That's kind of off topic though, so I'll let it rest.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t apple products and apps accessible?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

No kidding. I used to be quite an Apple fanatic, but I'm rapidly seeing the light.

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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 6:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote

 

I think as an accessability issue to those not into apple its a staring case
of apple centric ism in my view.
 They really need to get themselves sorted.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Masic" <list@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apple WWDC Keynote


> Hi. I'M not believe this is something wich belong to this list, however i
> will reply anyway.
>
> You are only able to watch WWDC in PC by using EDGE. If you dont't have
> Edge, you must follow it on other platforms. I know... The keynot have
> already been, however you can stil watch it, and there is also other
> stuff, for instans accessibility sesion wich still havebn't been and
> intresteed for us.
>
>
>
>
> Den 2017-06-05 kl. 18:54, skrev Lino Morales:
>> Does anyone know how to watch the keynote with Edge using NVDA? Thanks.
>>
>>
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>
>
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>



Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


You know... I'm so glad this discussion has come up, as I was curious. What're the main differences in the Plus version vs. the free version?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

I have Jarte plus and had no problem installing the latest update on my
windows 7 machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline Smith
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Good Morning,


Thanks for the warning regarding the latest version of Jarte. For now, I
will use the older version.


Pauline



On 6/9/2017 2:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I just tried to install it on my Windows 7 box and it claims it cannot
> move a file during the install then cannot continue any further. If you
> force it then it cannot find a file to run.
> I've gone back to version 5.4
>
> Brian
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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


What do you mean the config file? I thought that the only place to enable/disable was in keyboard settings: NVDA+CTRL+K.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Hi,

 

I bet you have got one of the inserts unchecked in the config file.  I can’t reproduce it here on three machines.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 09 June 2017 01:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

 

I'm aware of the difference in the 6pack extended insert key, and the numpad insert key, and yes, I am absolutely 100% sure.

 

I'd call you all's tech support line, but I can't afford support right now; don't have the money. This is driving me however to absolute drinking, which with the stress lately I've been under in general, is the last thing I need to do!

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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

 

Very odd, and you've definitely got "Use numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key" checked?  (There are two insert options - the other is "use extended insert as an NVDA modifier key" - that's the insert in the group of six keys with insert, delete, home, end, page up and page down).

 

 

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

If num lock is on, yes, the 0 types perfectly, nope, all different type PC's, some desktop, some laptop. Anything from HP, to Lonovo, Dell, a few Acers, maybe one or two Asuses, etc. Someone said plug a wireless keyboard in, and it'll work. Not the case. Tried that, and it didn't help.

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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

 

If numlock is on, does the key type a 0?  If it was one keyboard on one computer, I'd suspect the key might have gone, but you say it's happening on multiple computers?  Are they all the same type of computer and same type of keyboard?

 

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

Absolutely nothing. It works fine though if I use caps lock.

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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

 

Interesting, I haven't seen that.  If you press NVDA+1 to go into input help mode, what does NVDA report when you then press the numpad insert key?

 

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it, given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

 

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

 

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon running, and all default stock settings.

 

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

 

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup file and installed directly with no success.

 

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

 

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3 of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

 

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those systems 100% consistently.

 

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far gone.

 

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the problem was.

 

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

 

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

 

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's happenning on more than one system...

 

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

 

What gives!

 

Chris.



 

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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


About half the systems had JFW, so even with systems which JFW's never ever touched, I'm seeing it.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

My thought was that since it's a bunch of different hardware and different versions of Windows, BUT, it's something no-one else seems to have reproduced, it could be some software running on those machines.

You mentioned trying Jaws.  Do you have Jaws on all those machines?  Could you set Jaws NOT to run or run any of its helpers on startup, reboot and see if that makes a difference?  If Jaws is loading something, even a non-speaking driver, in the background before NVDA, it might be stealing the Insert key.

Jaws can also be funny about having the right display and audio drivers - sometimes the standard "Microsoft" drivers just won't cut it and will cause strange behaviour.  Though, since the hardware is different, it's less likely to be that specifically on all of them at once, but still potentially could be Jaws in the background.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Please, check if no KeyLogger or KeyTrapper is present on the machines...
It is the first time I hear such an error so easily reproduced by you and not affecting the generality of users...




----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 12:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key


OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it,
given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and
have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely
stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert
are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as
well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded
all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon
running, and all default stock settings.

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup
file and installed directly with no success.

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were
behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3
of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's
a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as
well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those
systems 100% consistently.

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far
gone.

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the
problem was.

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on
with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's
happenning on more than one system...

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

What gives!

Chris.












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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Hi Antony.
 
Thanks for your suggestion.
 
Yes, I did indeed try, and anything 2017.1 or older works just fine, regardless if it's a portable or not.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Have you tried a portable copy of 2017.1 (or earlier) to see if the problem
then goes away?

This would help pin down whether the problem is with 2017.2 specifically, or
something else on your machine.


Antony.

On Thursday 08 June 2017 19:11:41 Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it,
> given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and
> have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.
>
> Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely
> stopped working as the NVDA modifier.
>
> I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert
> are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as
> well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded
> all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single
> addon running, and all default stock settings.
>
> I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.
>
> I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup
> file and installed directly with no success.
>
> I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were
> behind. Then reinstalled. No good.
>
> I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3
> of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.
>
> I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's
> a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested
> as well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of
> those systems 100% consistently.
>
> Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far
> gone.
>
> I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the
> problem was.
>
> I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.
>
> I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.
>
> I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on
> with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's
> happenning on more than one system...
>
> I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.
>
> What gives!
>
> Chris.

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Re: Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Definitely no keylogger. I ran all security checks etc, and all looks blimmish free. No Keyloggers, no adware, no malware, no viruses, no trogens, nothing.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key

Please, check if no KeyLogger or KeyTrapper is present on the machines...
It is the first time I hear such an error so easily reproduced by you and
not affecting the generality of users...



----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 12:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly odd problem with the NVDA modifier key


OK, this makes no sense, and I'm highly surprised that no one has seen it,
given the fact I've reproduced it on about 6 different computers here, and
have also had about 5 of my other friends reproduce it as well.

Ever since updating to NVDA 2017.2, my numpad insert key has completely
stopped working as the NVDA modifier.

I looked in the keyboard preferences and both caps lock and numpad insert
are checked. I've unchecked and re, checked both checkboxes individually as
well as at the same time. I've restarted NVDA, I've rebooted, I've unloaded
all plugins and simply reinstalled from a fresh copy with not a single addon
running, and all default stock settings.

I've tried with both a portable copy, as well as a full installation.

I've converted a portable to a full install, as well as downloaded the setup
file and installed directly with no success.

I even used Revo to remove NVDA so that no traces of any app data were
behind. Then reinstalled. No good.

I've tried this on Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Ultimate, all 3
of those, I've tried both with X86 as well as X64.

I've tried with Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro, and even had a friend who's
a college student try with Windows 10 Education. All of those were tested as
well on both X86 and X64. This was reproduced on every single one of those
systems 100% consistently.

Before anyone asks the obvious, yes, num lock was disabled. I'm not that far
gone.

I looked through the diag logs and saw nothing that indicated what the
problem was.

I checked for an NVDA update and found nothing.

I installed the snapshot next branch and had the same problem.

I tested with JAWS to be sure it wasn't something screwy in general going on
with my insert key, but in JFW, it works flawlessly, plus the fact it's
happenning on more than one system...

I even was so desperet, I tried with XP Pro, and that even was reproducible.

What gives!

Chris.




 




Re: Does anyone know if NVDA works with the BlueStacks Android emulator?

Andre Fisher
 

You can use the emulator, but you would need to use Google Talkback
inside it. NVDA won't read these screens, but you can install it
fairly well with NVDA.

On 6/9/17, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
I'm asking because my mum and sister are playing this awesome app-based
game that I could only play on PC with this emulator installed. I know
Google things are pretty accessible but I'm not sure about this and I'd
love to know if anyone else has tried something like this. I'd ask if
the app I want this emulator for is accessible enough for me to play but
if the emulator isn't, the app won't be, so I'll start there.





Does anyone know if NVDA works with the BlueStacks Android emulator?

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I'm asking because my mum and sister are playing this awesome app-based
game that I could only play on PC with this emulator installed. I know
Google things are pretty accessible but I'm not sure about this and I'd
love to know if anyone else has tried something like this. I'd ask if
the app I want this emulator for is accessible enough for me to play but
if the emulator isn't, the app won't be, so I'll start there.