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Re: NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

 

Hi,

I’ll announce a decision soon on this list and on the development list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 4:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

 

Hi Joseph,

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I dread to think how many times I have been seemingly unsubscribed from the list without so much as a bounce notification, unsubscription confirmation or anything of that sort, then I only notice it months after it happened because when I’m sending emails to the list it isn’t reaching. I think when I recently resubscribed the count was up to 5.

Are there any plans for the addon list? Are we moving to groups.io or are we discussing them here?

Cheers.
Damien.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:01 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists:

 

For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This, along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate an emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode until further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: query

Gene
 

Instead of listing commands, I'll provide a brief tutorial I did recently which lists some and gives a link to a popular tutorial.  Also, I'll describe how to use the quick keys reference guide. 
Main new steps start on new lines.
Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n. 
Type h to open help.
Down arrow to the quick keys reference and press enter. 
The quick commands page will open in your default browser. 
Move from category to category using the letter h.  Move back with shift h.
Once at a category you want to examine, down arrow through the items. 
 
Here, below my signature, is the tutorial
 
The tutorial is about moving from Window-eyes to NVDA but anyone can use it to learn NVDA commands.
Gene
 
Moving from Window-eyes to NVDA
A very short tutorial telling you just what you need to know to do a lot of what
you did before.
 
First, a word about using the tutorial.  I explain concepts in the tutorial but
much of what I do is to give commands that are different in NVDA.  As I explain, a
lot of what you do won't change but certain things will require different commands.
 
 To use this tutorial effectively, practicing many commands I give might be very
useful.  For example, when I give screen review commands, stopping reading and
practicing in this document might help you remember and learn them.  When I
describe input help, turning it on and trying different keys and combinations of
keys might be helpful.  You will find, for example, that the screen review commands
I give are announced when you have key describer on and issue the commands.  That
will help you review quickly and efficiently if you for get any of them, something
that is far more likely to occur in the laptop layout than the desktop layout. 
Now that I've suggested ways to use it effectively, the tutorial begins.
 
Many people are apprehensive about switching to NVDA or any other screen-reader
from Window-eyes.  This tutorial will explain and demonstrate that such
apprehensions are largely based on misunderstandings. 
Before I discuss the misunderstanding that causes most of this apprehension, I'll
briefly discuss installing NVDA and changing the synthesizer used and speech
parameters.
 
NVDA has a talking installer.  run the file as you would any installation file. 
you may get a dialog asking if you want to run the file.  Use the command alt r
for run.  If you get a UAC prompt, answer alt y. 
Run narrator.  Then run the NVDA installer. 
when you run the installer, there will be a pause and then a bit of music will
play.  Not long after, the talking installer will run.  Unload Narrator at that
point.  return to the install dialog.
Tab through the dchoices.  Accept the license agreement and then tab to install. 
You will get other options but install is the one you want.
 
Don't stop using NvDA because of the voice.  A lot of people don't try NVDA because
of the voice.  As soon as you get it set up, I'll tell you how to change the
synthesizer used.
 
When NVDA is installed and running, a dialog box comes up with some explanatory
text and the ability to set one or two options.  While I know a lot of people very
much dislike the default voice, it's worth listening to the dialog and looking at
the settings by tabbing through them. 
I would recommend checking the check box to use caps lock as an NVDA modifier. 
You'll see why I recommend this in later discussion.
 
After you go through the initial parameters dialog, it's time to learn how to change the synthesizer. 
 
First, a word on terminology.  By default, NVDA uses either insert in combination with other keys to give commands to the screen-reader.  I shall refer to the NVDA key when I am refering to these keys.  also, you can tell NVDA to use the caps lock key as an NVDA key as well.  At times, this is very convenient. When I say NVDA key, it refers to any of these keys.
 
To change the synthesizer, issue the command control NVDA key s. 
A synthesizer selection dialog will open.
You will see a list of different possibly available synthesizers.  Choose SAPI 5. 
I know everyone has at least one SAPI 5 voice on their machine.  Up and down arrow
through the list and stop on SAPI five.  Press enter.
You will now hear another voice.  It may be the same voice you hear in Narrator. 
Now issue the command control NVDA key v.
You are now in the voice selection and adjustment dialog. 
Up and down arrow to see what voices are available.  Stop on the one you want. 
Now tab through the dialog and change settings for the voice. 
Once you find a voice you want and tab through and set whatever you want such as
speed and punctuation, press the ok button. 
 
Now, let's continue with what I spoke of at the start of this tutorial.  The
misunderstanding that makes the switch to NVDA from Window-eyes or from any other screen-reader seem daunting is that the user doesn't
realize that most of the commands he/she uses are Windows commands and program
commands and they won't change.
Consider the following examples:
Opening menus was and still is alt.  That's a Windows command to open menus in
programs.  It's the same no matter which screen-reader you use. 
Control o for open doesn't change.  Using the arrow keys to move in a document
doesn't change.  Tabbing through dialogs doesn't change.  Neither does how you move
in a list or a treeview or work with a combo box, and the list goes on. 
Screen-reader commands, many of which may change, such as read title bar, provide
access to information you can't get or can't get conveniently by using Windows or
program commands.  for example, read title bar.  In Window-eyes, the command is
control shift t.  In NVDA, it's NVDA key t. 
The title bar is something a sighted person looks at.  You can't move to it with
the pc cursor or application cursor, whatever you wish to call it, because there is
no need.  A sighted person can just see it.  So the screen-reader has a command,
read title bar.  That command is not a Windows nor a program command.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot
of what you did before.
To unload NVDA, NVDA key q then enter.
Read title bar, NVDA key t. 
Time, NVDA key f12. 
Announce formatting information, NVDA key f.
Read current Window, NVDA b.  In Window-eyes the command is control shift w. 
Read to end, NVDA key down arrow.  Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a. 
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general. 
 
I'm about to discuss screen-review commands.  those let you review the screen
without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing
where you are in a dialog or anywhere else.  But first, I'll point out that
Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left
arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any
standard edit field including word processor edit fields.  None of them will
change.
 
Screen review commands:
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7. 
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those
commands.  You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of
the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern.  Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left. 
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers the smaller the movement unit.  1 2 and 3 move by character. 
4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA key shift  period
Move to and read next line, NVDA key down arrow.
Move to and read previous line NVDA key up arrow.
Read current word NVDA key control period
Read previous word NVDA key control left arrow
Read next word NVDA key control right arrow
Announce current character NVDA key period.
Move to and read previous character NVDA key left arrow
Move to and read next character NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to
laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns
in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout.
 If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool
around with the laptop layout.  But you can decide that for yourself.  But aside
from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and
right arrows are useed with modifiers, you can't generalize more.  Such patterns
are not followed in every previous and next item.  In one of the previous and next
items, up and down arrow is used. 
 
I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout
and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key.  If you add capslock,
you can still use either insert.  there are times when caps lock is very
convenient.
 
to open the keyboard layout issue the command control NVDA key k.
You are now in a list of layouts.
the desktop is the default and the first in the list. 
If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and
activate the ok button. 
 
You will notice as you tab, check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key.
Caps lock is not checked.  Check it with the space bar.
You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.  I
use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout.  I find
it much more convenient to use for the read to end command.  I hold caps lock and
press down arrow.  That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down
arrow, regardless of which insert I use. 
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly.  If
you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key.  If you press it twice
quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.
 
Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7.
Laptop layout command:
control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window is shift numpad 9.
Laptop layout command:
Control NVDA key end.
 
I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified.  It depends what kind
of review mode you are using.  I won't go into that to any extent in this very
short tutorial. 
 
If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've
given. 
If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen,
change to screen review mode.  to do this, use the command NVDA key numpad 7.  Here, it is most convenient to use the numpad insert as the NVDA key in the desktop layout. 
In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up.  Issue the command and
repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. 
then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is
on screen.  Use the same commands I gave earlier for review.
 
To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the
command NVDA key numpad slash. In the desktop layout, again it is most convenient to use the numpad insert.  Then left click with numpad slash by itself.  That is the same command you left click wwith
in Window-eyes.  If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command,
NVDA key numpad slash, then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right
of numpad slash, the key immediately to the right of the left click key.  In other words, you right click with the same key you use in
Window-eyes.
 
After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return
to object review.  Issue the command NVDA key numpad one in the desktop
layout. Again, the numpad insert is most convenient to use. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.  Repeat the command  if
necessary until you hear object review.  If you don't do this, you will often hear
incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA. 
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using
the mouse pointer in Window-eyes.  Object navigation is different from any review
mode in Window-eyes.  I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of
it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial.  Depending on
how you use your computer, you may find it very useful. 
 
That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial.  As I said, its
purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and
easily.  But  I'll tell you a few more things.
 
Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether
you are using NVDA or Window-eyes. 
Move by headings is h.  Skip blocks of links is n. 
Move to next button is b, 
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.  NVDA key and
1 on the main keyboard turns it on.  When you press a key or combination of keys
that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command
they execute.  This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters
will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.  I already gave
much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input
mode in a browser. 
To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, NVDA key 1.
 
to learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with
different subjects.  You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.
 
There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users.  To join, send a blank message to this
address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
 
I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to
NVDA.  Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. 
NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as
JAWS or Window-eyes does.  I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good
foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier
than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.
Gene


Re: microsoft windows oneCore voices

anthony borg
 

Hi leo

Can you please explain to me more fully how to download those voices packages?

Thanks in advance

Anthony borg

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lev
Sent: 10 June 2017 12:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft windows oneCore voices

yes of course,

you are already using english us as your primary language.

In order to get the other english voices you need to add more languages, english uk, english canada and so on...

once you had added the packages you want you can go to options and then download only voice package for every language.


Leo

El 9/6/2017 a las 17:16, Josh Kennedy escribió:
hi

I am using the latest NVDA next snapshot. I can use the oneCore voices
as a development testing. I see david, zira, and mark mobile voices.
are there more oneCore mobile voices maybe for british and other
dialects and other languages? if so how do I get them?





Re: Can't check the remember me box in the Spotify app

Gene
 

No.  Either you are having an individual problem with the app or the app no longer works properly, at least from the keyboard, in that field. 
 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Can't check the remember me box in the Spotify app

I logged out of the Spotify app to see if that would fix a problem I was
having. It didn't, but I thought I'd try.


Only now I can't check the "Remember me" checkbox on the login screen.
I've tried space and enter, both in and out of focus mode, and even
tried left click but that didn't work either.


Is there another command I've forgotten that could help me?





Re: query

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

If you don’t mind when you have time, can you please send me a lis of the most used shortcuts in NVDA?

 

And also, can you please explain to me what tha jarte used for?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony borg  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 08 June 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

hi

 

how are you driving nvda on the computer and is your keyboard layout set to desktop or laptop? the default if i remember is desktop and can be changed under the keyboard settings in NVDA.

 

Are you arrowing down line by line with the down arrow key? or do you want it to read the current line? it is the nvda key + up arrow key to read the current line with a desktop.

 

I am also guessing in the document formatting section of nvda you have the following checked. for example line numbers checked. Uncheck it then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key. NVDA might have to be restarted for it to take affect. Then try it again.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 8/06/2017 8:01 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

Can somebody explain to me, what I should do to read a current line because according to the guide, I should press NVDA plus control plus the fullstop,but it didn’t work.

 

The second question is, what should I do to stop the NVDA to read the number of each line in an email or document?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 07 June 2017 21:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

Hi Devin,


Go to the NVDA menu with NVDA+N, go into Preferences, and choose Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation.

 

You can stop it saying “Carriage return” in there.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 07 June 2017 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

I’m talking about using right arrow. Carriage return just sounds really wordy and I’m not sure new users would know what it means. No, I guess Blank wouldn’t be best, but new line would be great.

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Carriage return

 

What are you describing?  If I down arrow through a document in any application, a blank line is announced as blank.  If I move character by character, a carriage return is announced as carriage return.  I suppose this could be shortened to return but I don't have any feelings about that one way or another.  But there should certainly be a distinction of this type when moving by character.  Saying blank is inaccurate when moving by character but it isn't blank.  It’s a formatting character.

 

Are you saying that in the Windows e-mail app, when moving by down arrowing blank lines aren't indicated with the word blank? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:41 AM

Subject: [nvda] Carriage return

 

Hi all. Coming from Linux and Mac, I was a little surprised to find that, at least in the Windows 10 mail app, NVDA shows a new line as carriage return. Is this necessary now? Shouldn’t this be changed to something more understandable, like new line, or even blank?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in training, JAWS certified.

 

 

 

--

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Can't check the remember me box in the Spotify app

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I logged out of the Spotify app to see if that would fix a problem I was
having. It didn't, but I thought I'd try.


Only now I can't check the "Remember me" checkbox on the login screen.
I've tried space and enter, both in and out of focus mode, and even
tried left click but that didn't work either.


Is there another command I've forgotten that could help me?


Re: NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi Joseph,
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I dread to think how many times I have been seemingly unsubscribed from the list without so much as a bounce notification, unsubscription confirmation or anything of that sort, then I only notice it months after it happened because when I’m sending emails to the list it isn’t reaching. I think when I recently resubscribed the count was up to 5.
Are there any plans for the addon list? Are we moving to groups.io or are we discussing them here?
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode
 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists:

 

For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This, along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate an emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode until further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

 

Hi,
It appears a series of mailing lists are affected on Freelists, or it might
be for certain email addresses. I just tried to send a test message to the
translations mailing list to no avail.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

This used to happen from time to time before when I used Freelists. Normally
it ended up that whole domains like theirs had been blacklisted making
delivery impossible until their listing got removed and in the meantime no
messages got through as the bounces triggered the suspensions of accounts.
This whole area of anti spam for multiple emails from domain seems to have
got a lot worse in recent months, with legitimate news letters being sent
out through email getting blocked etc.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode


Hi everyone,



I'm sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at
Freelists:



For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA
add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This,
along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate
an
emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode
until
further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: microsoft windows oneCore voices

Leo
 

yes of course,

you are already using english us as your primary language.

In order to get the other english voices you need to add more languages, english uk, english canada and so on...

once you had added the packages you want you can go to options and then download only voice package for every language.


Leo

El 9/6/2017 a las 17:16, Josh Kennedy escribió:
hi

I am using the latest NVDA next snapshot. I can use the oneCore voices as a development testing. I see david, zira, and mark mobile voices. are there more oneCore mobile voices maybe for british and other dialects and other languages? if so how do I get them?




Re: NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This used to happen from time to time before when I used Freelists. Normally it ended up that whole domains like theirs had been blacklisted making delivery impossible until their listing got removed and in the meantime no messages got through as the bounces triggered the suspensions of accounts. This whole area of anti spam for multiple emails from domain seems to have got a lot worse in recent months, with legitimate news letters being sent out through email getting blocked etc.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode


Hi everyone,



I'm sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at
Freelists:



For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA
add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This,
along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate an
emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode until
further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph




NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists:

 

For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This, along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate an emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode until further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Where are the add-ons hiding?

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Not a problem.


Tony

On 6/9/2017 1:51 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
Awesome! thank you.
At 12:21 PM 6/9/2017, you wrote:
Hi,


From the NVDA menu go to tools, then manage addons. Once there, press
enter, then tab to the get addons button and nvda will take you straight
to the website.

Hope this helps.

Tony
On 6/9/2017 11:41 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
What is the address for the addons page???

Thanks,






Re: Scrolling in the windows console

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

There is the other issue which has always plagued command prompt in that the standard paste gives you v in the command line and you have to bring down the menu and paste it in with that instead. I'd have thought these things should have been sorted out by microsoft, after all the dos emulation is just a shell.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scrolling in the windows console


I don't think this is an NVDA issue. I think a sighted person would need to do this as well. If the console is the same in its operation as the DOS prompt, and I haven't looked into the matter at all, but at a DOS prompt, there is a switch you can use that causes output to be displayed by screen/ For example, dir/p causes directory information to be displayed one screen at a time and you use page down to move to the next screen.

Note the slash after dir followed by p. I added that for those who are listening with speech and with punctuation off.

Gene
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From: Anton Shusharin
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Scrolling in the windows console


Hi.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the
archives.

When I enter a command at the command prompt, if the output is very
long, only around 30 lines of it are available for review with the
review cursor.

I can activate the buttons to scroll the output with object navigation,
however this results in the text disappearing from the terminal object
with only the prompt remaining.

So is there a way to review all console output without having to
redirect it to a file?


Re: Scrolling in the windows console

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I think you are right here. Its a restriction of the system itself. I don't know if the new shell is any different, as I tend to use the old command prompt one rather than the flashy newer one.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scrolling in the windows console


I don't think this is an NVDA issue. I think a sighted person would need to do this as well. If the console is the same in its operation as the DOS prompt, and I haven't looked into the matter at all, but at a DOS prompt, there is a switch you can use that causes output to be displayed by screen/ For example, dir/p causes directory information to be displayed one screen at a time and you use page down to move to the next screen.

Note the slash after dir followed by p. I added that for those who are listening with speech and with punctuation off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Anton Shusharin
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Scrolling in the windows console


Hi.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the
archives.

When I enter a command at the command prompt, if the output is very
long, only around 30 lines of it are available for review with the
review cursor.

I can activate the buttons to scroll the output with object navigation,
however this results in the text disappearing from the terminal object
with only the prompt remaining.

So is there a way to review all console output without having to
redirect it to a file?


Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

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No it failed on a move file in the installer.
On two machines.
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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks


That's odd. I installed Jarte 6.1 a while ago and had no issues
accessing my files afterward. It's been working just fine.


On 9/06/2017 4:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I just tried to install it on my Windows 7 box and it claims it cannot
move a file during the install then cannot continue any further. If
you force it then it cannot find a file to run.
I've gone back to version 5.4

Brian

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Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

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Well maybe its something to do with which version you already have. as it says its trying to move a file, cannot do so so gives an error. I suppose one could totally uninstall and then reinstall and see if that works, but its not what usually happens. I'm not sure what the extras of Jarte new version are for non paying users, so I've not bothered to look at it further. Might try it on an XP machine witch has less restraints on this sort of thing than 7 and 10 does.

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From: "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks


Hi,


I installed Jarte 6.1 with no issues.


I've had some update-and-install issues with skype, but it has
disappeared with the latest version.


On 6/9/2017 7:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I would suggest that the person who has the problem try downloading it
again if he/she hasn't. Files may become corrupted during downloads
with no indication that it has happened.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

That's odd. I installed Jarte 6.1 a while ago and had no issues
accessing my files afterward. It's been working just fine.


On 9/06/2017 4:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I just tried to install it on my Windows 7 box and it claims it cannot
move a file during the install then cannot continue any further. If
you force it then it cannot find a file to run.
I've gone back to version 5.4

Brian

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Re: Scrolling in the windows console

Gene
 

I don't think this is an NVDA issue.  I think a sighted person would need to do this as well.  If the console is the same in its operation as the DOS prompt, and I haven't looked into the matter at all, but at a DOS prompt, there is a switch you can use that causes output to be displayed by screen/  For example, dir/p causes directory information to be displayed one screen at a time and you use page down to move to the next screen.
 
Note the slash after dir followed by p.  I added that for those who are listening with speech and with punctuation off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 2:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] Scrolling in the windows console

Hi.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the
archives.

When I enter a command at the command prompt, if the output is very
long, only around 30 lines of it are available for review with the
review cursor.

I can activate the buttons to scroll the output with object navigation,
however this results in the text disappearing from the terminal object
with only the prompt remaining.

So is there a way to review all console output without having to
redirect it to a file?





Scrolling in the windows console

Anton Shusharin
 

Hi.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the archives.

When I enter a command at the command prompt, if the output is very long, only around 30 lines of it are available for review with the review cursor.

I can activate the buttons to scroll the output with object navigation, however this results in the text disappearing from the terminal object with only the prompt remaining.

So is there a way to review all console output without having to redirect it to a file?


Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Kwork
 

Same here. No problem on Win 7, 64-bit. Jarte Plus.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks


I have Jarte plus and had no problem installing the latest update on my
windows 7 machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline Smith
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

Good Morning,


Thanks for the warning regarding the latest version of Jarte. For now, I
will use the older version.


Pauline



On 6/9/2017 2:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I just tried to install it on my Windows 7 box and it claims it cannot
move a file during the install then cannot continue any further. If you
force it then it cannot find a file to run.
I've gone back to version 5.4

Brian

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Re: Beware Jarte 6.1 folks

 

hello.
please nvda users and developers read whats new in jarte website!
i read that for some changes in nvda, nvda causes error in jarte and
developers of jarte prevented the error!
thanks so much and God bless you all!

On 6/10/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@gmail.com> wrote:
OK. Will have a look.
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From: Antony Stone
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beware Jarte 6.1 folks


http://www.jarte.com/jarte_plus.html may be the answer you're looking
for.

Antony.

On Friday 09 June 2017 20:05:06 Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> You know... I'm so glad this discussion has come up, as I was curious.
> What're the main differences in the Plus version vs. the free version?
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