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Repeating generally, was Re: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement

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This is a log of what happens in master seeker when it finds one file. You physically have to stop it from repeating or it goes on and on and
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:25:35.536):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
IO - speech.speakTypedCharacters (10:25:35.608):
typed word: dll
IO - speech.speak (10:25:35.645):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'list']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:35.664):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:45.026):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:48.680):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.263):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.286):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.477):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.568):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.598):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.630):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:53.660):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:54.005):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.005):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.408):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.438):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.552):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.562):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.693):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:25:55.719):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:40.880):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:40.894):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:41.084):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:41.115):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:41.528):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:42.519):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']
IO - speech.speak (10:26:44.871):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'oehook.dll; Directory Path: C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Outlook Express; Size: 19 KB; Modify Date: 05/04/2017 14:04:04 1 of 1']

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement


The thing is though that nvda has a history of repeating stuff. Even now, quite often, say in Firefox, the first thing spoken on a web site if a new instance of Firefox opens is repeated three times.


I suspect that the main issue is that nothing is keeping track of events like this or maybe its only a loose watch in case there really are several occurrences of that for other reasons.

Just saying.
Brian

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From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 5:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement


Since NV Access's position seems to be that this repeated notification announcement is microsoft's problem and that they thus will not/cannot do anything about it, I am wondering if a workaround could be implemented.
How difficult would it be to write an addon to keep track of notifications and, if the same notification gets sent more than twice in an arbitrary time period (say 500 milliseconds) halt it. That way, we only hear a notification just once.





Re: More On Repeated Toast Announcement

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The thing is though that nvda has a history of repeating stuff. Even now, quite often, say in Firefox, the first thing spoken on a web site if a new instance of Firefox opens is repeated three times.


I suspect that the main issue is that nothing is keeping track of events like this or maybe its only a loose watch in case there really are several occurrences of that for other reasons.

Just saying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 5:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement


Since NV Access's position seems to be that this repeated notification announcement is microsoft's problem and that they thus will not/cannot do anything about it, I am wondering if a workaround could be implemented.
How difficult would it be to write an addon to keep track of notifications and, if the same notification gets sent more than twice in an arbitrary time period (say 500 milliseconds) halt it. That way, we only hear a notification just once.


Re: windows 10 sound schemes

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Morning folk

Any tutorial that can take me through step by step?

Thanking you in advance.
Marisane

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: 11 June 2017 12:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 sound schemes

You can create and modify the sound scheme.

Cheers.

On 6/10/17, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Evening folks



Let me first apologise if I sound deviating from the objective of this
list.



I am going to talk about windows 10 and its sound schemes.



I just think that nvda is obvious, because it is my screen reader that
I am using to access my computer and, thus hope that you will understand.



May I be helped here?



I am sure that you will agree with me that windows has more than one
sounds/sound schemes



The windows 7 home edition on my PC displays about 14 sound schemes.



I can choose anyone of the sounds and save it to be the sound scheme I
would like to hear whenever my PC is on.



I've just switched to win10 at work and am facing challenges regarding
the sounds.



I first did not know where they are, but after trial and error, I
found them.



However, I can only see one sound, i.e. windows default.



How to add others?



Your assistance, as always, is appreciated in advance.



With respect

Marisane


Re: Problems with Weather Plus addon

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

Hi again,

Yes it does and says that weather plus is running.
Thanks,

Akbar


On 6/10/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb@...> wrote:
Hi,

In your win 10, from the tools menu, manage add-ons, Weather Plus appears in

the list of add-ons installed?
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Adriano

From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi,

Could someone please help me? I have two laptops one running Windows
10 and the other one running Windows 7. I downloaded the Weather plus
addon on both machines and the installation was successful on both. I
found the Weather plus settings file under NVDA preferences in the
Win7 laptop and could correctly set the addon to my needs. But I
don't find the Weather plus settings file under the NVDA Preferences
on the Win10 machine so can not set up the addon suitably. Where does
the weather plus settings file go in the Win 10 machine? Am I doing
something wrong? I had no problem in setting up the addon on the Win7
laptop. So am confused as to how to set up the addon on the Win10
laptop as the settings file is not seen under NVDA preferences.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar






Re: Which Python version, for NVDA?

 

Hi David,
Python: you'll need Python 2.7, which can be downloaded from python.org.
As for concepts you need: if you know languages such as C, C++, Java and friends and can explain what classes and modules are, then you're all set to go. The difference would be how concepts are expressed in Python syntax.
For writing add-ons: yes, I'm the one who wrote the add-on development guide at:
https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide
As for your Window-Eyes apps: if you give us permission, I and other add-on writers will guide you through converting your Window-Eyes apps into an NVDA add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Which Python version, for NVDA?

Listers,
I do realize this might be out of scope for this very list, but still hoped someone could give me a pound of feedback on the matter.

I am one of the long-time Window-Eyes users, that currently are left in the bewildered state of choosing a new screen reader, with all that includes for decision-making. I further have been contributing with apps (or what you typically will be naming add-ons) under Window-eyes. For one thing, I am the author of the Extended Dictionary - which became quite popular under the WinEyes screen reader.

Further, I have been programming under a few environments, for a number of years. Now's time to move on, and learn something new. Either I will have to transmit to Jaws, and learn their scripting environment. Or, I will have to go into NVDA, and learn to build and modify code for that screen reader, if I want to continue taking control on the higher level, of what is being presented to my ears.

If I am correct in my received information, NVDA is being developed under Python; one of the programming languages I have not really had any experience with so far. I did some searching on the net, for any good general tutorials or books, for Python programming. In one of these, I learned that there seems to co-exist several versions of the Python language, and that it is important to have the right one installed, even if it is not necessarily the newest. I am not in a position to know to what extent such info is correct. But could someone at least tell me the
following:

Which Python version should I get installed, and where is the best place to get it? Obviously, I am running Windows, 7Pro.

Is there any tutorial, that you might suggest, for a newbie under the Python? That is, I do have long-time programming experience, but is totally new to the Python language.

It has been my understanding, that there would be an attempt to create a tutorial for developing stuff for the NVDA screen reader. If this is correct, where can I find such material?

Again, obviously, what I am looking for, is something that will take me from the very basics, and onward - in such a simple way that it is possible for self-education. And no, I do not have anything more than 24 hours in my day, so great if things are accompanied with some easy to follow sample codes. Smiles.

Thanks to all who might point me on the road. :)


Which Python version, for NVDA?

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

Listers,
I do realize this might be out of scope for this very list, but still
hoped someone could give me a pound of feedback on the matter.

I am one of the long-time Window-Eyes users, that currently are left in
the bewildered state of choosing a new screen reader, with all that
includes for decision-making. I further have been contributing with apps
(or what you typically will be naming add-ons) under Window-eyes. For
one thing, I am the author of the Extended Dictionary - which became
quite popular under the WinEyes screen reader.

Further, I have been programming under a few environments, for a number
of years. Now's time to move on, and learn something new. Either I will
have to transmit to Jaws, and learn their scripting environment. Or, I
will have to go into NVDA, and learn to build and modify code for that
screen reader, if I want to continue taking control on the higher level,
of what is being presented to my ears.

If I am correct in my received information, NVDA is being developed
under Python; one of the programming languages I have not really had any
experience with so far. I did some searching on the net, for any good
general tutorials or books, for Python programming. In one of these, I
learned that there seems to co-exist several versions of the Python
language, and that it is important to have the right one installed, even
if it is not necessarily the newest. I am not in a position to know to
what extent such info is correct. But could someone at least tell me the
following:

Which Python version should I get installed, and where is the best place
to get it? Obviously, I am running Windows, 7Pro.

Is there any tutorial, that you might suggest, for a newbie under the
Python? That is, I do have long-time programming experience, but is
totally new to the Python language.

It has been my understanding, that there would be an attempt to create a
tutorial for developing stuff for the NVDA screen reader. If this is
correct, where can I find such material?

Again, obviously, what I am looking for, is something that will take me
from the very basics, and onward - in such a simple way that it is
possible for self-education. And no, I do not have anything more than 24
hours in my day, so great if things are accompanied with some easy to
follow sample codes. Smiles.

Thanks to all who might point me on the road. :)


Re: More On Repeated Toast Announcement

 

Hi,
Actually, I can reproduce this in Skype somewhat, but it depends on how long
one has been using various universal apps and what apps are opened. I got
mixed reports when I asked for comments from those still using Version 1607
(Anniversary Update) in hopes of isolating this problem further. I'm also
looking into whether I can reproduce this on latest Insider Preview build.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
We also need a concrete way to
reproduce this so folks can write workarounds or send a feedback to
Microsoft.
Many other people have brought this up since I first posted last week.
Probably the easiest way to reproduce this is to install the app I mentioned
in my first posting on this issue, Pop Peeper:
http://www.esumsoft.com/products/pop-peeper/
I use this as an example because, if you are like most of us, you receive a
lot of emails. This program will notify you of each email received, and you
won't have to wait long for toast announcements to happen once installed.
Once the program is installed, add your account. Go into the program
options and check the box that says "Display Tray Icon Balloon Tip"
Let it run for a while. Do your normal computing thing. As you receive new
email and as more apps are opened and closed on your computer, you will
begin to see repeated toast announcements.
This has nothing to do with the app mentioned here; I talked to the
developer with whom I have been working out some other bugs in the app, and
he could not reproduce this with narrator. In addition, as a reminder,
people have also noticed this occuring with programs such as skype. I do not
have an active skype list, so I can't reproduce this behavior in that
program.


Re: More On Repeated Toast Announcement

Rob
 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
We also need a concrete way to
reproduce this so folks can write workarounds or send a feedback to
Microsoft.
Many other people have brought this up since I first posted last week.
Probably the easiest way to reproduce this is to install the app I mentioned in my first posting on this issue, Pop Peeper:
http://www.esumsoft.com/products/pop-peeper/
I use this as an example because, if you are like most of us, you receive a lot of emails. This program will notify you of each email received, and you won't have to wait long for toast announcements to happen once installed.
Once the program is installed, add your account. Go into the program options and check the box that says
"Display Tray Icon Balloon Tip"
Let it run for a while. Do your normal computing thing. As you receive new email and as more apps are opened and closed on your computer, you will begin to see repeated toast announcements.
This has nothing to do with the app mentioned here; I talked to the developer with whom I have been working out some other bugs in the app, and he could not reproduce this with narrator. In addition, as a reminder, people have also noticed this occuring with programs such as skype. I do not have an active skype list, so I can't reproduce this behavior in that program.


Re: More On Repeated Toast Announcement

 

Hi,
Yes and no. Yes, I can write a workaround in WinTenApps, and no, a future
Windows 10 release may or may not fix this. We also need a concrete way to
reproduce this so folks can write workarounds or send a feedback to
Microsoft. I promise once again: I'll personally look into this, as I'm the
one who brought you toast notification announcements in Windows 10 in 2015.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement

Since NV Access's position seems to be that this repeated notification
announcement is microsoft's problem and that they thus will not/cannot do
anything about it, I am wondering if a workaround could be implemented.
How difficult would it be to write an addon to keep track of notifications
and, if the same notification gets sent more than twice in an arbitrary time
period (say 500 milliseconds) halt it. That way, we only hear a notification
just once.


More On Repeated Toast Announcement

Rob
 

Since NV Access's position seems to be that this repeated notification announcement is microsoft's problem and that they thus will not/cannot do anything about it, I am wondering if a workaround could be implemented.
How difficult would it be to write an addon to keep track of notifications and, if the same notification gets sent more than twice in an arbitrary time period (say 500 milliseconds) halt it. That way, we only hear a notification just once.


Re: Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Robert,


You should display your contacts list in the message window for an open message. You do this by opening a new message and making sure that the contacts side bar is checked under the view menu. If it is not, you check it or press F9 which is the hot key.


Once you do this and you open a new message, you can shift tab several times until you see your contacts list. You then move over the list and press alt + B for the BCC field and alt + C for the CC field. Alt + A will place addresses in the To field. When you have selected all your address you wish to CC or BCC, then tab forward to the subject and body as normal.

On 6/10/2017 9:43 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email. I appreciate your advice.



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Re: NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

i think the addons list and the dev list should move to groups.io

On 6/11/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
I wonder why that would be happenning to start with?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 6:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode


Hi everyone,



I'm sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at
Freelists:



For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA
add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This,
along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate an
emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode until
further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph




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nvda freezes on websites with latest snapshot

Josh Kennedy
 

on websites I could be just reading articles or doing stuf in firefox and nvda will just freeze up then unfreeze in 20 or so seconds. Can the developers fix this? Here attached is a detailed log.


Re: NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I wonder why that would be happenning to start with?
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 6:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-ons list on Freelists: list in lockdown mode

Hi everyone,

 

I’m sending this message as the owner of the NVDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists:

 

For several days, whenever I and others try to send a message to NvDA add-ons list hosted at Freelists, we get delivery failure notices. This, along with bouncing problem, leads me to believe that we need to initiate an emergency list migration. Thus the Freelists list is in lockdown mode until further notice.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Robert Mendoza
 

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email. I appreciate your advice.


forgot how to change my home page in google chrome

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I read the notes on chrome and also listened to a tutorial but had trouble following the instructions. I went to the appearance heading and found the "show home" button but I couldn't find the "change" link. What could I be missing?

 

Thanks very much for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: windows 10 sound schemes

Andre Fisher
 

You can create and modify the sound scheme.

Cheers.

On 6/10/17, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Evening folks



Let me first apologise if I sound deviating from the objective of this
list.



I am going to talk about windows 10 and its sound schemes.



I just think that nvda is obvious, because it is my screen reader that I am
using to access my computer and, thus hope that you will understand.



May I be helped here?



I am sure that you will agree with me that windows has more than one
sounds/sound schemes



The windows 7 home edition on my PC displays about 14 sound schemes.



I can choose anyone of the sounds and save it to be the sound scheme I
would
like to hear whenever my PC is on.



I've just switched to win10 at work and am facing challenges regarding the
sounds.



I first did not know where they are, but after trial and error, I found
them.



However, I can only see one sound, i.e. windows default.



How to add others?



Your assistance, as always, is appreciated in advance.



With respect

Marisane


Re: Problems with Weather Plus addon

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


I'm interested in using this add on on both of my systems myself.
However I am not sure how to get things cooking. The laptop is running
windows 10 pro with the creators update, the desktop chooses to be
ornery and absolutely does not like the update and is still running the
windows 10 anniversary edition. Both have NVDA 17.2 installed.



Tony


on 6/10/2017 9:30 AM, Akbar S. Currim wrote:

Hi,

Could someone please help me? I have two laptops one running Windows
10 and the other one running Windows 7. I downloaded the Weather plus
addon on both machines and the installation was successful on both. I
found the Weather plus settings file under NVDA preferences in the
Win7 laptop and could correctly set the addon to my needs. But I
don't find the Weather plus settings file under the NVDA Preferences
on the Win10 machine so can not set up the addon suitably. Where does
the weather plus settings file go in the Win 10 machine? Am I doing
something wrong? I had no problem in setting up the addon on the Win7
laptop. So am confused as to how to set up the addon on the Win10
laptop as the settings file is not seen under NVDA preferences.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar



Re: query

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

Many thanks for your prompt help and support which I really appreciated very much.

 

I’m sure that the tutorial you have sent me would be of a great help for me.

 

Thanks once again, and wishing you a very good weekend,

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 10 June 2017 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Instead of listing commands, I'll provide a brief tutorial I did recently which lists some and gives a link to a popular tutorial.  Also, I'll describe how to use the quick keys reference guide. 

Main new steps start on new lines.

Open the NVDA menu with NVDA key n. 

Type h to open help.

Down arrow to the quick keys reference and press enter. 

The quick commands page will open in your default browser. 

Move from category to category using the letter h.  Move back with shift h.

Once at a category you want to examine, down arrow through the items. 

 

Here, below my signature, is the tutorial

 

The tutorial is about moving from Window-eyes to NVDA but anyone can use it to learn NVDA commands.

Gene

 

Moving from Window-eyes to NVDA
A very short tutorial telling you just what you need to know to do a lot of what
you did before.

 

First, a word about using the tutorial.  I explain concepts in the tutorial but
much of what I do is to give commands that are different in NVDA.  As I explain, a
lot of what you do won't change but certain things will require different commands.

 

 To use this tutorial effectively, practicing many commands I give might be very
useful.  For example, when I give screen review commands, stopping reading and
practicing in this document might help you remember and learn them.  When I
describe input help, turning it on and trying different keys and combinations of
keys might be helpful.  You will find, for example, that the screen review commands
I give are announced when you have key describer on and issue the commands.  That
will help you review quickly and efficiently if you for get any of them, something
that is far more likely to occur in the laptop layout than the desktop layout. 
Now that I've suggested ways to use it effectively, the tutorial begins.

 

Many people are apprehensive about switching to NVDA or any other screen-reader
from Window-eyes.  This tutorial will explain and demonstrate that such
apprehensions are largely based on misunderstandings. 
Before I discuss the misunderstanding that causes most of this apprehension, I'll
briefly discuss installing NVDA and changing the synthesizer used and speech
parameters.

 

NVDA has a talking installer.  run the file as you would any installation file. 
you may get a dialog asking if you want to run the file.  Use the command alt r
for run.  If you get a UAC prompt, answer alt y. 
Run narrator.  Then run the NVDA installer. 
when you run the installer, there will be a pause and then a bit of music will
play.  Not long after, the talking installer will run.  Unload Narrator at that
point.  return to the install dialog.
Tab through the dchoices.  Accept the license agreement and then tab to install. 
You will get other options but install is the one you want.

 

Don't stop using NvDA because of the voice.  A lot of people don't try NVDA because
of the voice.  As soon as you get it set up, I'll tell you how to change the
synthesizer used.

 

When NVDA is installed and running, a dialog box comes up with some explanatory
text and the ability to set one or two options.  While I know a lot of people very
much dislike the default voice, it's worth listening to the dialog and looking at
the settings by tabbing through them. 
I would recommend checking the check box to use caps lock as an NVDA modifier. 
You'll see why I recommend this in later discussion.

 

After you go through the initial parameters dialog, it's time to learn how to change the synthesizer. 

 

First, a word on terminology.  By default, NVDA uses either insert in combination with other keys to give commands to the screen-reader.  I shall refer to the NVDA key when I am refering to these keys.  also, you can tell NVDA to use the caps lock key as an NVDA key as well.  At times, this is very convenient. When I say NVDA key, it refers to any of these keys.

 

To change the synthesizer, issue the command control NVDA key s. 
A synthesizer selection dialog will open.
You will see a list of different possibly available synthesizers.  Choose SAPI 5. 
I know everyone has at least one SAPI 5 voice on their machine.  Up and down arrow
through the list and stop on SAPI five.  Press enter.
You will now hear another voice.  It may be the same voice you hear in Narrator. 
Now issue the command control NVDA key v.
You are now in the voice selection and adjustment dialog. 
Up and down arrow to see what voices are available.  Stop on the one you want. 
Now tab through the dialog and change settings for the voice. 
Once you find a voice you want and tab through and set whatever you want such as
speed and punctuation, press the ok button. 

 

Now, let's continue with what I spoke of at the start of this tutorial.  The
misunderstanding that makes the switch to NVDA from Window-eyes or from any other screen-reader seem daunting is that the user doesn't
realize that most of the commands he/she uses are Windows commands and program
commands and they won't change.
Consider the following examples:
Opening menus was and still is alt.  That's a Windows command to open menus in
programs.  It's the same no matter which screen-reader you use. 
Control o for open doesn't change.  Using the arrow keys to move in a document
doesn't change.  Tabbing through dialogs doesn't change.  Neither does how you move
in a list or a treeview or work with a combo box, and the list goes on. 
Screen-reader commands, many of which may change, such as read title bar, provide
access to information you can't get or can't get conveniently by using Windows or
program commands.  for example, read title bar.  In Window-eyes, the command is
control shift t.  In NVDA, it's NVDA key t. 
The title bar is something a sighted person looks at.  You can't move to it with
the pc cursor or application cursor, whatever you wish to call it, because there is
no need.  A sighted person can just see it.  So the screen-reader has a command,
read title bar.  That command is not a Windows nor a program command.
Here are the screen-reader commands you will need to know to allow you to do a lot
of what you did before.
To unload NVDA, NVDA key q then enter.
Read title bar, NVDA key t. 
Time, NVDA key f12. 
Announce formatting information, NVDA key f.
Read current Window, NVDA b.  In Window-eyes the command is control shift w. 
Read to end, NVDA key down arrow.  Use the down arrow on the main keyboard.
In the laptop layout, read to end is NVDA key a. 
Stop speech with control, as with screen-readers in general. 

 

I'm about to discuss screen-review commands.  those let you review the screen
without changing the position of the cursor when editing a document, or changing
where you are in a dialog or anywhere else.  But first, I'll point out that
Commands such as left arrow, right arrow, control home, control end, control left
arrow, and control right arrow are Windows movement commands for moving in any
standard edit field including word processor edit fields.  None of them will
change.

 

Screen review commands:
Note the pattern as I give these commands:
Read previous line, numpad 7. 
Read current line, numpad 8.
Read next line numpad nine.
You move in screen review to the previous or next line when you issue those
commands.  You can keep moving and reading until you get to the top or bottom of
the screen.
Read previous word, numpad 4.
Read current word, numpad 5.
Read next word, numpad 6.
Read previous character, numpad 1.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Read next character, numpad 3.
Note the pattern.  Read current is the key in the middle of each of these rows.
Move to and read previous is the key on the left. 
Move to and read next is the key to the right.
The lower the numbers the smaller the movement unit.  1 2 and 3 move by character. 
4 5 and 6 move by word, etc.
Now, here are the laptop layout review commands:
Read current line, NVDA key shift  period
Move to and read next line, NVDA key down arrow.
Move to and read previous line NVDA key up arrow.
Read current word NVDA key control period
Read previous word NVDA key control left arrow
Read next word NVDA key control right arrow
Announce current character NVDA key period.
Move to and read previous character NVDA key left arrow
Move to and read next character NVDA right arrow.
After a little more discussion, I'll tell you how to change the keyboard layout to
laptop.
Getting back to the review keys in the laptop layout, There are sort of patterns
in the laptop layout but not the kind of uniform pattern as in the desktop layout.
 If I had a laptop computer without a numpad, I'd buy a USB numpad and not fool
around with the laptop layout.  But you can decide that for yourself.  But aside
from predictable keys such as that period is used for current, and that left and
right arrows are useed with modifiers, you can't generalize more.  Such patterns
are not followed in every previous and next item.  In one of the previous and next
items, up and down arrow is used. 

 

I shall now explain how to change the layout from the desktop to the laptop layout
and discuss causing the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key.  If you add capslock,
you can still use either insert.  there are times when caps lock is very
convenient.

 

to open the keyboard layout issue the command control NVDA key k.
You are now in a list of layouts.
the desktop is the default and the first in the list. 
If you want to switch to the laptop layout, down arrow once and then tab to and
activate the ok button. 

 

You will notice as you tab, check boxes about which keys serve as the NVDA key.
Caps lock is not checked.  Check it with the space bar.
You can stay in the desk top layout and still tab and see these check boxes.  I
use the caps lock key as an NVDA key often and I use the desktop layout.  I find
it much more convenient to use for the read to end command.  I hold caps lock and
press down arrow.  That is, to me, much more convenient than using insert down
arrow, regardless of which insert I use. 
If you want to toggle caps lock on and off for typing, press it twice quickly.  If
you press it once and hold it, it serves as an NVDA key.  If you press it twice
quickly, it toggles caps lock on and off.

 

Here are two more important commands:
Jump to top of window, shift numpad 7.
Laptop layout command:
control NVDA key home.
Jump to bottom of window is shift numpad 9.
Laptop layout command:
Control NVDA key end.

 

I've said top and bottom of Window but that's oversimplified.  It depends what kind
of review mode you are using.  I won't go into that to any extent in this very
short tutorial. 

 

If you are reviewing material in a word processor, use the review commands I've
given. 
If you are in a dialog or some other structures, in order to see what is on screen,
change to screen review mode.  to do this, use the command NVDA key numpad 7.  Here, it is most convenient to use the numpad insert as the NVDA key in the desktop layout. 
In the laptop layout, the command is NVDA key page up.  Issue the command and
repeat it if necessary until you hear screen review. 
then you can use the review commands such as numpad 7, 8 9, etc. to review what is
on screen.  Use the same commands I gave earlier for review.

 

To left click with the mouse, route the mouse to the review position with the
command NVDA key numpad slash. In the desktop layout, again it is most convenient to use the numpad insert.  Then left click with numpad slash by itself.  That is the same command you left click wwith
in Window-eyes.  If you want to right click, route the mouse with the same command,
NVDA key numpad slash, then use numpad star, the key immediately to the right
of numpad slash, the key immediately to the right of the left click key.  In other words, you right click with the same key you use in
Window-eyes.

 

After you have finished working in screen review, it is very important to return
to object review.  Issue the command NVDA key numpad one in the desktop
layout. Again, the numpad insert is most convenient to use. the laptop layout command is NVDA Key page down.  Repeat the command  if
necessary until you hear object review.  If you don't do this, you will often hear
incorrect information about where you are when you do various things in NVDA. 
Screen review, though the commands are different, is similar in concept to using
the mouse pointer in Window-eyes.  Object navigation is different from any review
mode in Window-eyes.  I won't teach its use here but you will find a discussion of
it in a tutorial I will give an address for later in this tutorial.  Depending on
how you use your computer, you may find it very useful. 

 

That is just about all I will teach in this very short tutorial.  As I said, its
purpose is to allow you to do much of what you do with Window-eyes quickly and
easily.  But  I'll tell you a few more things.

 

Internet browsing:
When you are on a web page, quick navigation commands are almost identical whether
you are using NVDA or Window-eyes. 
Move by headings is h.  Skip blocks of links is n. 
Move to next button is b, 
Next combo box is c.
Next check box is x.
NVDA has an input help mode which is similar to what is in Window-eyes.  NVDA key and
1 on the main keyboard turns it on.  When you press a key or combination of keys
that might be a command, you will hear what the keys are and what, if any command
they execute.  This varies depending on where you are.
When in a browser that supports browse mode, typing a lot of individual letters
will give you information about what the keys do in browse mode.  I already gave
much of that information above but you may want to press a lot of keys using input
mode in a browser. 
To turn input mode off use the same command you used to turn it on, NVDA key 1.

 

to learn more about NVDA, a popular tutorial is available at
http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials
On that page, you will see links to download different sections of the tutorial dealing with
different subjects.  You can also download the entire tutorial as a zip file.

 

There is also an e-mail list for NVDA users.  To join, send a blank message to this
address:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

I hope that this tutorial has removed much of your apprehension about switching to
NVDA.  Now, as you wish or need, you may consult the tutorial I gave a link to. 
NVDA is a powerful screen-reader and it will meet a lot of users needs as well as
JAWS or Window-eyes does.  I hope this very short tutorial gives you a good
foundation on which to build confidence that the transition should be much easier
than you may have thought and that it will help make it much more enjoyable.

Gene


Re: microsoft windows oneCore voices

anthony borg
 

Hi many thanks leo, for the instructions.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lev
Sent: 10 June 2017 16:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft windows oneCore voices

 

Ok but english is not my primary language so may be I’ll go wrong explaining some instructions.

 

Go to settings, windows key plus  i.

Tab until  time and language and enter.

 

When you are into time and language tab once and errow down until you hair some like “zone and language” or “region and language”, hit enter, and again tab until you hair add language, enter again.

 

A window will pop up when you will have to choose the language you want to add, at this point you can move using tab or errow keys.

 

If you had added successfully another language, now you can come back to “region and language” and this time tab until the list presentation.  This list will show up all languages you have added.

 

Now, move to the language you just added and hit space bar, a menu will be display, so tab until options and hit enter.

 

A new window will pop up and this time you will have to use navigation objects to activate the boton “download”.

 

You can download the entire package for this particular language or just the voices.

 

Wait until it gets fully downloaded and done!

 

 

Leo

El 10/6/2017 a las 06:39, anthony borg escribió:

Hi leo 
 
Can you please explain to me more fully how to download those voices packages? 
 
Thanks in advance 
 
Anthony borg 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lev
Sent: 10 June 2017 12:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft windows oneCore voices
 
yes of course,
 
you are already using english us as your primary language.
 
In order to get the other english voices you need to add more languages, english uk, english canada and so on...
 
once you had added the packages you want you can go to options and then download only voice package for every language.
 
 
Leo
 
El 9/6/2017 a las 17:16, Josh Kennedy escribió:
hi
 
I am using the latest NVDA next snapshot. I can use the oneCore voices 
as a development testing. I see david, zira, and mark mobile voices. 
are there more oneCore mobile voices maybe for british and other 
dialects and other languages? if so how do I get them?