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Re: NVDA Chokes Up When Arrowing Down

kelby carlson
 

I have had this experience as well. I thought it had something to do
with my own computer, but perhaps not.

On 6/11/17, Rich De Steno <ironrock@verizon.net> wrote:
I noticed that in the current version of NVDA, it now chokes up when I
arrow down on a web page or a list of emails, for example. By that, I
mean that it will actually go silent for a few seconds as I arrow down,
as if it was trying to catch up with the flowing input. I never
experienced this in prior versions. It used to be snappy and quick with
the flow.

--
Rich De Steno





NVDA Chokes Up When Arrowing Down

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

I noticed that in the current version of NVDA, it now chokes up when I arrow down on a web page or a list of emails, for example. By that, I mean that it will actually go silent for a few seconds as I arrow down, as if it was trying to catch up with the flowing input. I never experienced this in prior versions. It used to be snappy and quick with the flow.

--
Rich De Steno


Re: More On Repeated Toast Announcement

 

Hi,

My guess is that it might have been due to my statements.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement

 

I heard nothing at all about NV Access saying they couldn't do anything about this. Where did you get that idea?

---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:25 AM

Subject: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement

 

Since NV Access's position seems to be that this repeated notification announcement is microsoft's problem and that they thus will not/cannot do anything about it, I am wondering if a workaround could be implemented.
How difficult would it be to write an addon to keep track of notifications and, if the same notification gets sent more than twice in an arbitrary time period (say 500 milliseconds) halt it. That way, we only hear a notification just once.


Re: More On Repeated Toast Announcement

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I heard nothing at all about NV Access saying they couldn't do anything about this. Where did you get that idea?
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] More On Repeated Toast Announcement

Since NV Access's position seems to be that this repeated notification announcement is microsoft's problem and that they thus will not/cannot do anything about it, I am wondering if a workaround could be implemented.
How difficult would it be to write an addon to keep track of notifications and, if the same notification gets sent more than twice in an arbitrary time period (say 500 milliseconds) halt it. That way, we only hear a notification just once.



Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Don't worry! I'm using the main arrow keys all right!

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Continuous reading with NVDA

Remember that SayAll in NVDA requires use of the actual arrow keys, not the
arrows on the numpad.
At 11:51 AM 6/11/2017, you wrote:
Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as
to Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a lengthy
report in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without swapping or
staggering the text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able to keep up
and makes the most uncanny slips. It could be reading a paragraph of
five lines and will only read the first three lines then jump back to
the paragraph before and lose the position.
When I try to reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot identify
whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over the
JAWS so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is this a
known problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the
problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages
almost every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the
development team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v.
2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with
this combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF
reports which linked to a web page that I am working from. The page
title shows that The PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself.
They are not in Adobe anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the
page, I notice that the sentences get interrupted and I have to move
up-arrow to the previous recognisable point to pick up the flow of the
text again. I tried to compare this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS did
not seem to be able to manage anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was able
to read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not
present and I read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is there
any reading command that would handle the file differently so that I
don't lose track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the
log to track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to
be done inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to
Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the
carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you
going to send email. I appreciate your advice.






Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Andre,

I have just opened a lengthy document in Adobe and now the problem is that every start of line appears to NVDA as a graphic. So, I get "graphic" at every line whether I like it or not! I cannot find a control to ignore graphics which would help. Any ideas?

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Continuous reading with NVDA

Why don't you try reading it in Adobe Reader?

On 6/11/17, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as
to Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a
lengthy report in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without
swapping or staggering the text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able
to keep up and makes the most uncanny slips. It could be reading a
paragraph of five lines and will only read the first three lines then
jump back to the paragraph before and lose the position. When I try to
reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot identify whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over
the JAWS so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is
this a known problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the
problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages
almost every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the
development team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v.
2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with
this combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF
reports which linked to a web page that I am working from. The page
title shows that The PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself.
They are not in Adobe anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the
page, I notice that the sentences get interrupted and I have to move
up-arrow to the previous recognisable point to pick up the flow of the
text again. I tried to compare this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS
did not seem to be able to manage anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was
able to read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not
present and I read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is
there any reading command that would handle the file differently so
that I don't lose track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the
log to track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to
be done inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to
Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the
carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email.
I appreciate your advice.








Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

Ann Byrne
 

Remember that SayAll in NVDA requires use of the actual arrow keys, not the arrows on the numpad.

At 11:51 AM 6/11/2017, you wrote:
Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as to Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a lengthy report in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without swapping or staggering the text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able to keep up and makes the most uncanny slips. It could be reading a paragraph of five lines and will only read the first three lines then jump back to the paragraph before and lose the position. When I try to reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot identify whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over the JAWS so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is this a known problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages almost every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the development team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v. 2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with this combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF reports which linked to a web page that I am working from. The page title shows that The PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself. They are not in Adobe anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the page, I notice that the sentences get interrupted and I have to move up-arrow to the previous recognisable point to pick up the flow of the text again. I tried to compare this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS did not seem to be able to manage anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was able to read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not present and I read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is there any reading command that would handle the file differently so that I don't lose track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the log to track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to be done inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email. I appreciate your advice.






quicken

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I'm using win10 creators update, and Nvda 2017.2. I'm wondering do we
have any quicken users? If so, what version and how well does it work
with Nvda? I'd like to use quicken to better manage my finances and
interface with my financial institution.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Thanks for the thought,

I do frequently use Adobe. However, Firefox now offers to read PDF documents by default when they are found in a link on a web page so I take that because it is handy and normally works.

I will make a point of trying a faulty document in Adobe next time and report back just to answer the question.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Continuous reading with NVDA

Why don't you try reading it in Adobe Reader?

On 6/11/17, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as
to Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a
lengthy report in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without
swapping or staggering the text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able
to keep up and makes the most uncanny slips. It could be reading a
paragraph of five lines and will only read the first three lines then
jump back to the paragraph before and lose the position. When I try to
reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot identify whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over
the JAWS so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is
this a known problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the
problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages
almost every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the
development team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v.
2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with
this combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF
reports which linked to a web page that I am working from. The page
title shows that The PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself.
They are not in Adobe anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the
page, I notice that the sentences get interrupted and I have to move
up-arrow to the previous recognisable point to pick up the flow of the
text again. I tried to compare this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS
did not seem to be able to manage anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was
able to read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not
present and I read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is
there any reading command that would handle the file differently so
that I don't lose track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the
log to track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to
be done inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to
Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the
carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email.
I appreciate your advice.








Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

 

hello.
you see the number and can know how pages your file has.
in the box type the last number of page. for example: if it has 100
pages, type 100.
then select all of your content with control+a and try to peist the
content in to a word or txt file.
i do this and convert pdf files to another formats to read them!
God bless you.

On 6/11/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@gmail.com> wrote:
Why don't you try reading it in Adobe Reader?

On 6/11/17, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as to
Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a lengthy
report
in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without swapping or staggering
the
text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able to keep up and makes the most
uncanny slips. It could be reading a paragraph of five lines and will
only
read the first three lines then jump back to the paragraph before and
lose
the position. When I try to reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot
identify whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over the
JAWS
so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is this a known
problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the
problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages almost
every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the development
team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v.
2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with this
combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF reports
which
linked to a web page that I am working from. The page title shows that
The
PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself. They are not in Adobe
anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the page, I notice that the
sentences get interrupted and I have to move up-arrow to the previous
recognisable point to pick up the flow of the text again. I tried to
compare
this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS did not seem to be able to manage
anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was able
to
read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not present and
I
read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is there
any
reading command that would handle the file differently so that I don't
lose
track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the log
to
track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to be done
inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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Robert
Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to
Thunderbird
instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and
plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send
email.
I appreciate your advice.









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Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

Andre Fisher
 

Why don't you try reading it in Adobe Reader?

On 6/11/17, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as to
Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a lengthy report
in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without swapping or staggering the
text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able to keep up and makes the most
uncanny slips. It could be reading a paragraph of five lines and will only
read the first three lines then jump back to the paragraph before and lose
the position. When I try to reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot
identify whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over the JAWS
so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is this a known
problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the
problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages almost
every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the development
team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v.
2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with this
combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF reports which
linked to a web page that I am working from. The page title shows that The
PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself. They are not in Adobe
anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the page, I notice that the
sentences get interrupted and I have to move up-arrow to the previous
recognisable point to pick up the flow of the text again. I tried to compare
this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS did not seem to be able to manage
anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was able to
read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not present and I
read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is there any
reading command that would handle the file differently so that I don't lose
track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the log to
track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to be done
inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert
Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to Thunderbird
instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and
plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email.
I appreciate your advice.








Re: Continuous reading with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi all,

I have to bring this topic up to date, I'm afraid!

The continuous read as described below, applies as much to Ms Word as to Firefox. I switched over to JAWS 17 to see if I could read a lengthy report in Word 2016. JAWS is able to keep going without swapping or staggering the text. NVDA, on the other hand, is not able to keep up and makes the most uncanny slips. It could be reading a paragraph of five lines and will only read the first three lines then jump back to the paragraph before and lose the position. When I try to reposition by moving the arrow keys, I cannot identify whether I am above or below the interrupted piece.

I have to finish studying this document and so I had to switch over the JAWS so that I could concentrate on the meaning of the words. Is this a known problem? Can I do anything?

Please see my original description below for details of my OS and the problem with Firefox and PDF files.

The following is my Original message to the list:

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages almost every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the development team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v. 2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with this combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF reports which linked to a web page that I am working from. The page title shows that The PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself. They are not in Adobe anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the page, I notice that the sentences get interrupted and I have to move up-arrow to the previous recognisable point to pick up the flow of the text again. I tried to compare this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS did not seem to be able to manage anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was able to read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not present and I read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is there any reading command that would handle the file differently so that I don't lose track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the log to track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to be done inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email. I appreciate your advice.


Re: Problems with Weather Plus addon

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

I've corrected the bug and I'll do an update soon.
Thank You to have reported the problem.

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi,

Is this what you require?
INFO - __main__ (17:43:05):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Config dir: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (17:43:07):
Loading config: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Using Windows version 10.0.14393 workstation
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (17:43:08):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (17:43:08):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (17:43:08):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (17:43:08):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (17:43:08):
Braille input initialized
WARNING - core.main (17:43:08):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (17:43:08):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - external:globalPlugins.weather.GetUrlData (17:43:18):
Weather Plus: timed out
ERROR - globalPluginHandler.initialize (17:43:18):
Error initializing global plugin <class 'globalPlugins.weather.GlobalPlugin'>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "globalPluginHandler.pyo", line 32, in initialize
File "C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather\__init__.py", line 64, in __init__
File "C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather\__init__.py", line 961, in ReadConfig
File "C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather\__init__.py", line 335, in onUpgrade
IndexError: list index out of range
INFO - core.main (17:43:19):
NVDA initialized

Thanks,

Akbar

On 6/11/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

Strange, on Win10 Weather Plus works well as far as I know.
But let's see, during the start up of nvda gives you a sound error?? in this

case, send me the log of nvda.

Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi again,

Yes it does and says that weather plus is running.
Thanks,

Akbar


On 6/10/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

In your win 10, from the tools menu, manage add-ons, Weather Plus appears

in

the list of add-ons installed?
----- Original Message -----

Adriano

From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi,

Could someone please help me? I have two laptops one running Windows
10 and the other one running Windows 7. I downloaded the Weather plus
addon on both machines and the installation was successful on both. I
found the Weather plus settings file under NVDA preferences in the
Win7 laptop and could correctly set the addon to my needs. But I
don't find the Weather plus settings file under the NVDA Preferences
on the Win10 machine so can not set up the addon suitably. Where does
the weather plus settings file go in the Win 10 machine? Am I doing
something wrong? I had no problem in setting up the addon on the Win7
laptop. So am confused as to how to set up the addon on the Win10
laptop as the settings file is not seen under NVDA preferences.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar










Re: removing a OneCore mobile voice?

Leo
 

I do not know if there's a way to remove only the voice package,

but definitely you can just remove entirely a particular language from the list of languages added on settings, time and language.


Leo

El 11/6/2017 a las 07:33, Josh Kennedy escribió:
hi

if you add a oneCore mobile voice, then later you decide you want to remove it such as a language you don't use often, how do you remove the oneCore voice so that NVDA no longer sees it using the latest next snapshot?




Re: Which Python version, for NVDA?

Igor Kaplan
 

Hi David,

Actually Python is a very easy language to pick up, if you have an experience with other programming languages you will pick up Python in no time. Also Python is very fun language to program with!
There a lot of tutorials for Python programming, I found quite many just giving "python tutorial" search under Google, for example:
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/
https://www.learnpython.org/
http://www.python-course.eu/course.php

Just one thing, it is better to make sure, tutorial covers python 2.7 and not 3.x. There are quite big differences between 2.7 and 3.x and I think, NVDA supports 2.7 only.

Fill free to ask, if you have any Python-related questions.
Igorkaplan45@gmail.com

Good luck!

Igor.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 1:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Which Python version, for NVDA?

Listers,
I do realize this might be out of scope for this very list, but still hoped someone could give me a pound of feedback on the matter.

I am one of the long-time Window-Eyes users, that currently are left in the bewildered state of choosing a new screen reader, with all that includes for decision-making. I further have been contributing with apps (or what you typically will be naming add-ons) under Window-eyes. For one thing, I am the author of the Extended Dictionary - which became quite popular under the WinEyes screen reader.

Further, I have been programming under a few environments, for a number of years. Now's time to move on, and learn something new. Either I will have to transmit to Jaws, and learn their scripting environment. Or, I will have to go into NVDA, and learn to build and modify code for that screen reader, if I want to continue taking control on the higher level, of what is being presented to my ears.

If I am correct in my received information, NVDA is being developed under Python; one of the programming languages I have not really had any experience with so far. I did some searching on the net, for any good general tutorials or books, for Python programming. In one of these, I learned that there seems to co-exist several versions of the Python language, and that it is important to have the right one installed, even if it is not necessarily the newest. I am not in a position to know to what extent such info is correct. But could someone at least tell me the
following:

Which Python version should I get installed, and where is the best place to get it? Obviously, I am running Windows, 7Pro.

Is there any tutorial, that you might suggest, for a newbie under the Python? That is, I do have long-time programming experience, but is totally new to the Python language.

It has been my understanding, that there would be an attempt to create a tutorial for developing stuff for the NVDA screen reader. If this is correct, where can I find such material?

Again, obviously, what I am looking for, is something that will take me from the very basics, and onward - in such a simple way that it is possible for self-education. And no, I do not have anything more than 24 hours in my day, so great if things are accompanied with some easy to follow sample codes. Smiles.

Thanks to all who might point me on the road. :)


Re: Problems with Weather Plus addon

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

Hi,

Is this what you require?
INFO - __main__ (17:43:05):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Config dir: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (17:43:07):
Loading config: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Using Windows version 10.0.14393 workstation
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (17:43:07):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (17:43:08):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (17:43:08):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (17:43:08):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (17:43:08):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (17:43:08):
Braille input initialized
WARNING - core.main (17:43:08):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (17:43:08):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - external:globalPlugins.weather.GetUrlData (17:43:18):
Weather Plus: timed out
ERROR - globalPluginHandler.initialize (17:43:18):
Error initializing global plugin <class 'globalPlugins.weather.GlobalPlugin'>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "globalPluginHandler.pyo", line 32, in initialize
File "C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather\__init__.py", line 64, in __init__
File "C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather\__init__.py", line 961, in ReadConfig
File "C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather\__init__.py", line 335, in onUpgrade
IndexError: list index out of range
INFO - core.main (17:43:19):
NVDA initialized

Thanks,

Akbar

On 6/11/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

Strange, on Win10 Weather Plus works well as far as I know.
But let's see, during the start up of nvda gives you a sound error?? in this

case, send me the log of nvda.

Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi again,

Yes it does and says that weather plus is running.
Thanks,

Akbar


On 6/10/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

In your win 10, from the tools menu, manage add-ons, Weather Plus appears

in

the list of add-ons installed?
----- Original Message -----

Adriano

From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi,

Could someone please help me? I have two laptops one running Windows
10 and the other one running Windows 7. I downloaded the Weather plus
addon on both machines and the installation was successful on both. I
found the Weather plus settings file under NVDA preferences in the
Win7 laptop and could correctly set the addon to my needs. But I
don't find the Weather plus settings file under the NVDA Preferences
on the Win10 machine so can not set up the addon suitably. Where does
the weather plus settings file go in the Win 10 machine? Am I doing
something wrong? I had no problem in setting up the addon on the Win7
laptop. So am confused as to how to set up the addon on the Win10
laptop as the settings file is not seen under NVDA preferences.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar










removing a OneCore mobile voice?

Josh Kennedy
 

hi

if you add a oneCore mobile voice, then later you decide you want to remove it such as a language you don't use often, how do you remove the oneCore voice so that NVDA no longer sees it using the latest next snapshot?


Re: NVDA and Firefox

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

I am really delighted with NVDA! It is so easy to use and manages almost every situation that I meet. Well done to all involved in the development team!

I normally use Firefox to browse the web and so I am using NVDA v. 2017.2with Firefox version 53.0.3. Normally I have no problems with this combination. Lately, however, I have begun to read lengthy PDF reports which linked to a web page that I am working from. The page title shows that The PDF documents is being reading in Firefox itself. They are not in Adobe anyway. As NVDA gets closer to the bottom of the page, I notice that the sentences get interrupted and I have to move up-arrow to the previous recognisable point to pick up the flow of the text again. I tried to compare this behaviour with JAWS 16 but JAWS did not seem to be able to manage anything in Firefox.

I then opened the same link in Ms. Edge, still using NVDA, and was able to read the full document. Here the "overlapping" effect was not present and I read the PDF file perfectly.

Has anyone else noticed this effect in Firefox with PDF files? Is there any reading command that would handle the file differently so that I don't lose track like this?

IF the technical team are interested, I would be happy to put on the log to track the behaviour to see if there is something that needs to be done inside NVDA.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie



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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Multiple address in carbon copy in Thunderbird

Just curious if anyone here tried to send multiple addresses to Thunderbird instead of going by one by one to field specially in the carbon copy, and plus is there a way to appeared the carbon copy if you going to send email. I appreciate your advice.


More on Jarte 6.1

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I had to completely uninstall the previous version to get the update to work. It seems that if Jarte has been run and terminated, it can leave the exe file of the old version set as in use when in fact it is not.
Do a total uninstall, then restart the computer, then install the new version and that fixes the problem it seems.
At least on Windows7 64 pro I have here.
Brian

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Re: Problems with Weather Plus addon

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

Strange, on Win10 Weather Plus works well as far as I know.
But let's see, during the start up of nvda gives you a sound error?? in this case, send me the log of nvda.

Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi again,

Yes it does and says that weather plus is running.
Thanks,

Akbar


On 6/10/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

In your win 10, from the tools menu, manage add-ons, Weather Plus appears in

the list of add-ons installed?
----- Original Message -----

Adriano

From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problems with Weather Plus addon


Hi,

Could someone please help me? I have two laptops one running Windows
10 and the other one running Windows 7. I downloaded the Weather plus
addon on both machines and the installation was successful on both. I
found the Weather plus settings file under NVDA preferences in the
Win7 laptop and could correctly set the addon to my needs. But I
don't find the Weather plus settings file under the NVDA Preferences
on the Win10 machine so can not set up the addon suitably. Where does
the weather plus settings file go in the Win 10 machine? Am I doing
something wrong? I had no problem in setting up the addon on the Win7
laptop. So am confused as to how to set up the addon on the Win10
laptop as the settings file is not seen under NVDA preferences.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar