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Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Gene
 

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut.  You can open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and then press enter again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B.  Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks



Windows server 2012 r2

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

I have a job opportunity.  I will need to log onto a virtual machine running windows server 2012 r2.  The hypervisor is KVM running under Linux.
Sited users access the vm with RDP from Delle computers running windows 10 professional.  I do not know what build they are using.  Each user has their own VM.
Would NVDA run under server 2012?  I’m not hopeful but I thought I’d ask anyway.  I thought I might install NVDA with the remote add-on and log in that way.
 
Thanks,
George


NVDA and Google Chrome

Don H
 

In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites with Alt A and Alt B. Is there a hot key combination to open favorites or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks


Re: Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hello,

If you want to update your Windows to the creaters addition, go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

You can make the update whenever you wish.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@swbell.net

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

Hello Lisa,


I had the same notification yesterday, but have no idea as to how long it's going to take. It said I'd get another notification, so I'm waiting
- more or less patiently...


Happy upgrading!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 15/06/2017 13:47, Lisa P Geibel ha scritto:
Hi,
I'm so sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought we had
this update already. Yesterday, though, I got a notification that I
had to agree to and was then told that there would be work being done
in the background before the update was ready and we'd be notified
when it was. This was yesterday and nothing's happened. Does anyone
know approximately how long this working in the background will take
before the updates ready because apparently, this working in the
background occasionally makes our NVDA sluggish? Thanks and we'll be
nervously awaiting this update. --


Re: Help moving between header and footer sections

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Correction to my last message:
 no it doesn't move between the centre and right sections. It moves to the centre section but on the next line.
Kara

On 15/06/2017 00:48, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kara,

My apologies, I should have more clearly advised what NVDA reads.  It does move from left aligned, to centre aligned, to right aligned, but when you press TAB it does read as if it's moved by tab stop.  On my A4 document with Normal margins for instance, when I press tab, it reads 10.5 centimetres (the middle of the 21cm wide page) and then 18.5cm (the right margin of the page).

It's a bit tricky, as it identifies as "Align default".

You can use CONTROL+L, CONTROL+E and CONTROL+R to change alignment, however that also moves any existing text (so it works as it would on a normal line of the document).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am currently working my way through NVAccess' excellent MS Word tutorial, and have ran into a problem when editing headers or footers.

Keep in mind I'm using word 2016 as part of my office 365 subscription.

The tutorial says that the tab key moves you from the left section, to the centre then to the right. However, in word 2016 it seems to just insert tab stops.

I remember this work correctly in word 2007, so something must have changed since then.

Does any of you know how to move between the sections now?


All the best


--

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert                NVDA
                  Certified Expert logo
View the list of all NVDA Experts



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


--

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert               
View the list of all NVDA Experts


Re: libre office enhancements addon?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

There certainly are numerous reasons why some programs may get more attention than others.

First and foremost, with a very limited development team, we just can't get to everything, therefore we do need to try to prioritise what we can work on to try and have the greatest impact and benefit for users.

Sometimes yes, that does mean working on fixing issues in a more popular program than a less well known alternative.

Sometimes it is because we have tried to approach the developers of a program to work together on fixing accessibility issues, and they just aren't interested. Often issues may require work both from NV Access, and from the program developer, in order to implement a solution, so we do need some cooperation.

Sometimes we may receive funding from a particular company to identify and work on issues in their compatibility with NVDA.

In the case of Microsoft office as well, having been working on the Microsoft word and excel with NVDA training modules, that uncovered a lot of issues, both in office and in NVDA.

At the end of the day, do please continue to file issues in GitHub for compatibility with software you use, also feel free to comment on issues if you have more information.  The more interest shown in a software program, and the clearer the bug reports, the easier it is for us to make it a higher priority.

Kind regards

Quentin

On 15 Jun. 2017 23:06, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:
We don't know how much this is because of lack of proper accessibility in LibreOffice.  Programs may pose very difficult access issues with screen-readers if the designers don't built in proper access in the first place.  In addition, given limited resources and workers, it may be thought to be more important to emphasize access with Word, which is used generally in work and academic settings. 
 
I'll let the developers comment further, I don’t' want to and can't speak for them.  I have no objection to such questions being discussed.  But there may be very good reasons why Word substitute programs aren't given attention and I maintain that asking rather than more or less stating that such programs are being neglected is a conclusion that is an unsupported assumption.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libre office enhancements addon?

Hi!


I totally agree!

In every new NVDA version, we see many enhancements related to MS
Office, but LibreOffice is ignored.

In fact, as I noted in many messages in this group, LibreOffice and NVDA
have some very annoying issues when working together.

Very sad.


Walmir.


Em 14/06/2017 16:30, Josh Kennedy escreveu:
> hi
>
> I know that microsoft word and NVDA or I should say microsoft office
> apps and NVDA work good together. you can read charts and graphs in
> excel, you can use browse mode, read comments, and much more. But it
> seems like libreoffice is lagging behind as far as libreoffice
> enhanced features. So that folks don't have to pay for microsoft
> office if they don't want to. if libreoffice does not read charts with
> NVDA, does not have browse mode ability, reading comments, basically
> it would be nice if the feature set that we see and have in microsoft
> office for NVDA should also transfer over and be available in the free
> libreoffice as well. If someone could make an addon which will bring
> all the nice ms-office enhancements into libreoffice for NVDA this
> would be useful for me and others who cannot afford ms-office.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Help moving between header and footer sections

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Thanks Quentin. That makes more sense now.

The alignment info that NVDA gives also confused me as it just said left aligned regardless of where I was in the header or footer, so thanks for clearing that up also.

On my system, pressing tab only moves between the centre and right sections; if I want to move back to the left I have to press shift+tab. I don't know if that's standard behaviour but it could be something worth mentioning in the tutorial.


Kara


On 15/06/2017 00:48, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kara,

My apologies, I should have more clearly advised what NVDA reads.  It does move from left aligned, to centre aligned, to right aligned, but when you press TAB it does read as if it's moved by tab stop.  On my A4 document with Normal margins for instance, when I press tab, it reads 10.5 centimetres (the middle of the 21cm wide page) and then 18.5cm (the right margin of the page).

It's a bit tricky, as it identifies as "Align default".

You can use CONTROL+L, CONTROL+E and CONTROL+R to change alignment, however that also moves any existing text (so it works as it would on a normal line of the document).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am currently working my way through NVAccess' excellent MS Word tutorial, and have ran into a problem when editing headers or footers.

Keep in mind I'm using word 2016 as part of my office 365 subscription.

The tutorial says that the tab key moves you from the left section, to the centre then to the right. However, in word 2016 it seems to just insert tab stops.

I remember this work correctly in word 2007, so something must have changed since then.

Does any of you know how to move between the sections now?


All the best


--

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert                NVDA
                  Certified Expert logo
View the list of all NVDA Experts



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


--

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert               
View the list of all NVDA Experts


Re: Help moving between header and footer sections

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Thanks Quentin. That makes more sense now.

The alignment info that NVDA gives also confused me as it just said left aligned regardless of where I was in the header or footer, so thanks for clearing that up also.

On my system, pressing tab only moves between the centre and right sections; if I want to move back to the left I have to press shift+tab. I don't know if that's standard behaviour but it could be something worth mentioning in the tutorial.


Kara


On 15/06/2017 00:48, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kara,

My apologies, I should have more clearly advised what NVDA reads.  It does move from left aligned, to centre aligned, to right aligned, but when you press TAB it does read as if it's moved by tab stop.  On my A4 document with Normal margins for instance, when I press tab, it reads 10.5 centimetres (the middle of the 21cm wide page) and then 18.5cm (the right margin of the page).

It's a bit tricky, as it identifies as "Align default".

You can use CONTROL+L, CONTROL+E and CONTROL+R to change alignment, however that also moves any existing text (so it works as it would on a normal line of the document).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am currently working my way through NVAccess' excellent MS Word tutorial, and have ran into a problem when editing headers or footers.

Keep in mind I'm using word 2016 as part of my office 365 subscription.

The tutorial says that the tab key moves you from the left section, to the centre then to the right. However, in word 2016 it seems to just insert tab stops.

I remember this work correctly in word 2007, so something must have changed since then.

Does any of you know how to move between the sections now?


All the best


--

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert                NVDA
                  Certified Expert logo
View the list of all NVDA Experts



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


--

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert               
View the list of all NVDA Experts


Re: libre office enhancements addon?

Gene
 

We don't know how much this is because of lack of proper accessibility in LibreOffice.  Programs may pose very difficult access issues with screen-readers if the designers don't built in proper access in the first place.  In addition, given limited resources and workers, it may be thought to be more important to emphasize access with Word, which is used generally in work and academic settings. 
 
I'll let the developers comment further, I don’t' want to and can't speak for them.  I have no objection to such questions being discussed.  But there may be very good reasons why Word substitute programs aren't given attention and I maintain that asking rather than more or less stating that such programs are being neglected is a conclusion that is an unsupported assumption.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libre office enhancements addon?

Hi!


I totally agree!

In every new NVDA version, we see many enhancements related to MS
Office, but LibreOffice is ignored.

In fact, as I noted in many messages in this group, LibreOffice and NVDA
have some very annoying issues when working together.

Very sad.


Walmir.


Em 14/06/2017 16:30, Josh Kennedy escreveu:
> hi
>
> I know that microsoft word and NVDA or I should say microsoft office
> apps and NVDA work good together. you can read charts and graphs in
> excel, you can use browse mode, read comments, and much more. But it
> seems like libreoffice is lagging behind as far as libreoffice
> enhanced features. So that folks don't have to pay for microsoft
> office if they don't want to. if libreoffice does not read charts with
> NVDA, does not have browse mode ability, reading comments, basically
> it would be nice if the feature set that we see and have in microsoft
> office for NVDA should also transfer over and be available in the free
> libreoffice as well. If someone could make an addon which will bring
> all the nice ms-office enhancements into libreoffice for NVDA this
> would be useful for me and others who cannot afford ms-office.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>




Re: libre office enhancements addon?

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi!


I totally agree!

In every new NVDA version, we see many enhancements related to MS Office, but LibreOffice is ignored.

In fact, as I noted in many messages in this group, LibreOffice and NVDA have some very annoying issues when working together.

Very sad.


Walmir.


Em 14/06/2017 16:30, Josh Kennedy escreveu:

hi

I know that microsoft word and NVDA or I should say microsoft office apps and NVDA work good together. you can read charts and graphs in excel, you can use browse mode, read comments, and much more. But it seems like libreoffice is lagging behind as far as libreoffice enhanced features. So that folks don't have to pay for microsoft office if they don't want to. if libreoffice does not read charts with NVDA, does not have browse mode ability, reading comments, basically it would be nice if the feature set that we see and have in microsoft office for NVDA should also transfer over and be available in the free libreoffice as well. If someone could make an addon which will bring all the nice ms-office enhancements into libreoffice for NVDA this would be useful for me and others who cannot afford ms-office.

thanks


Josh




Re: Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

Mallard
 

Hello Lisa,


I had the same notification yesterday, but have no idea as to how long it's going to take. It said I'd get another notification, so I'm waiting - more or less patiently...


Happy upgrading!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 15/06/2017 13:47, Lisa P Geibel ha scritto:
Hi,
I'm so sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought we had this update already. Yesterday, though, I got a notification that I had to agree to and was then told that there would be work being done in the background before the update was ready and we'd be notified when it was. This was yesterday and nothing's happened. Does anyone know approximately how long this working in the background will take before the updates ready because apparently, this working in the background occasionally makes our NVDA sluggish? Thanks and we'll be nervously awaiting this update. --


Re: strange problem

anthony borg
 

Thanks rui for your support.

Kind regards

Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 14 June 2017 17:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

Hello!

Sorry, but you are doing something wrong...
The command you talk is only NVDA+S...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: anthony borg
Data: 14 de junho de 2017 16:02
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] strange problem



Hi gene



Many thanks for your great support, you can’t imagine how good you explained
to me how to turn on and off the punctuation.



Withregards the other thing, because evrytime I used the control, NVDA s, it
allows you to change the synthesizer to either talk, beep or silence.



I hope you will be able to understand what I mean this time.



Kindest regards



Anthony





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 June 2017 11:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem





control NVDA key v. Then tab to the punctuation settings and set them to
none. Then tab to and activate the ok button. Once you want to return the
punctuation settings to what they were before, either do the same thing
again and change them back or use the command control NVDA r. When you do
this, you will hear, configuration applied and the settings from your
permanently saved settings will again be used.



What I said earlier is that you said that control NVDA s and control NVDA
key v didn't work. You then said that someone told you to use the same
commands and they work. I don't know what you meant to say. I mentioned it
in a previous message because I couldn't tell if you understood what
commands to use since you wrote the same commands when you said they didn't
work and that they did.



Gene



----- Original Message -----



From: anthony borg



Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:33 AM



To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem







Hi gene



According to the tutorial the shortcut to access synthesizers is control
NVDA s, and when someone else told me to press NVDA control s, it worked,
and the same with the voices.



I’m so sorry if I wasn’t very clear in my previous email.



But I must admit that you were, and still are of a great help for me and
support with the info you have sent me.



If I may asking you again, is there a way of how to turn off something for a
shorttime in NVDA to stop reading such as comas, dots and many others, when
I’m listening to a tutorial?



Because they don’t lent me concentrate enough.



Many thanks once again for your help and sorry for the trouble I’m giving
you.



Kindest regards



Anthony





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem







You gave exactly the same commands when you said they didn't work and that
they did work.







Gene



----- Original Message -----



From: anthony borg



Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:55 PM



To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem







Hi gene

I tried to use those shortcuts control nvda s, and control nvda v, but they
didn’t work.

Then somebody else sent me another form, for synthesizers I have to press
control nvda s, for voices I should use control nvda v, and they worked that
way.

Kindest regards

Anthony





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 14:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem







Do you understand that all commands such as control NVDA key s and Control
NVDA key v are used without going into the menus? You can get to the same
settings in the menus but such commands are shortcuts that bypass the menus.
You can use them anywhere. You aren't in NVDA when you use them. You could
be on the desktop, in a program, almost anywhere.







In the menus, you would get to such settings by opening the menus, then down
arrowing to preferences and pressing enter. Then down arrow to either
synthesizer and press enter or voice settings and press enter. It sounds as
though you would save yourself a lot of time and trouble by working with a
good NVDA tutorial such as the one I sent a link to a number of days ago.







Gene



----- Original Message -----



From: anthony borg



Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:31 AM



To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem







Hi rosemarie



I’m so sorry for the trouble I might have given you, but just to let you
know that finally I managed to find out what was the problem.



Last time I went in to the menu, I entert the in put section and I pressed
the space bar on the first item without knowing what was going to happen,



That’s why I couldn’t access the synthesizers.



Thanks once again for your help.



Kindest regards



Anthony





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 13 June 2017 00:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem





Hello, Anthony,



NVDA control S is what you hit to go to a different synthesizer. NVDA
control V is what you hit forchanging the voice.



Hope this helps.



Rosemarie







On 6/12/2017 1:35 PM, anthony borg wrote:



Hello all



I tried to access the synthizer area to change the voice, but only the
microsofft platform is showing me.



Also evrytime I tried the command control key plus NVDA plus v, nothing
happens.



Can somebody please explain to me what I should to correct this problem?



Thanks in advance



Anthony





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: 12 June 2017 09:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: strange problem





Hi,

I have had those experiences many times! LOL! I just mark it up as a
beautiful freeky thing. I could tell you things like that all day LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!





Yeah, no? kidding! I'm at a loss.



---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries







http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575



----- Original Message -----



From: Rosemarie Chavarria



To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:04 PM



Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!







Hi, Chris,

That's wild! I don't know what made the insert key work correctly but I'm
glad it's fine now.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

Hello guys.

You're not going to believe this one!

I woke up this morning, started up nvda, and all of a sudden, my insert key
on the numpad started working correctly. Would you believe it.

I wonder what in the world caused it to all of a sudden start working?

Does anyone happen to know?

This is just getting more weird by the minute!

Thanks.

Chris.


Re: strange problem

anthony borg
 

Hi rosemarie

 

Thanks very much for your explanation.

 

Regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 14 June 2017 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S just changes the synthesizer. If you want to go to either speak, beep or no speech, it's NVDA plus U.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 6/14/2017 7:34 AM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi chris

 

First of all many thanks for the instructions of how to turn off the punctuation, secondly withregards theother thing, if I press control, NVDA s, it has a different meaning,

 

That is to change the synthesizer to 3 modes, talk, beap and silence, if I’m not wrong, because I have tried it several times.

 

As I said before I’m still learning and not to judging others, I’m  simply explaining what I have noticed.

 

Thank you once again for your support.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 14 June 2017 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi Anthony

It does not matter if the command is written Control NVDA s or NVDA Control s because it is exactly the same command.  You should be pressing and holding down the NVDA and control keys and whilst doing so, press the s key.  You may also see the command written as NVDA+Control+s, which better illustrates the command is a combination of the 3 keys.  Because the NVDA and Control keys are modifier keys, you can hold them down then press s rather than trying to press all 3 simultaneously.  Modifier keys send additional information from the keyboard to the computer when combined with a standard key, in this case the letter s.  NVDA is running on the computer, identifies that the keypress code you have typed contains the NVDA modifier key code so knows it needs to be processed by the NVDA program

 

As for the punctuation that is spoken, it depends on how you are reading the tutorial.  If you are arrowing character by character, it will read all punctuation.  If you open the NVDA voice dialog by pressing NVDA+Control+v, tab to the Punctuation symbol level combo box, set it to none and press enter.  This will eliminate the voicing of punctuation when reading line by line using the down arrow and using the ‘Say All’ command (NVDA+Down Arrow).

HTH

Chris.  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 14 June 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

 

According to the tutorial the shortcut to access synthesizers is control NVDA s, and when someone else told me to press NVDA control s, it worked, and the same with the voices.

 

I’m so sorry if I wasn’t very clear in my previous email.

 

But I must admit that you were, and still are of a great help for me and support with the info you have sent me.

 

If I may asking you again, is there a way of how to turn off something for a shorttime in NVDA to stop reading such as comas, dots and many others, when I’m listening to a tutorial?

 

Because they don’t lent me concentrate enough.

 

Many thanks once again for your help and sorry for the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

You gave exactly the same commands when you said they didn't work and that they did work.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

I tried to use those shortcuts control nvda s, and control nvda v, but they didn’t work.

Then somebody else sent me another form, for synthesizers I have to press control nvda s, for voices I should use control nvda v, and they worked that way.

Kindest regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 14:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Do you understand that all commands such as control NVDA key s and Control NVDA key v are used without going into the menus?  You can get to the same settings in the menus but such commands are shortcuts that bypass the menus.  You can use them anywhere.  You aren't in NVDA when you use them.  You could be on the desktop, in a program, almost anywhere. 

 

In the menus, you would get to such settings by opening the menus, then down arrowing to preferences and pressing enter.  Then down arrow to either synthesizer and press enter or voice settings and press enter.  It sounds as though you would save yourself a lot of time and trouble by working with a good NVDA tutorial such as the one I sent a link to a number of days ago. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi rosemarie

 

I’m so sorry for the trouble I might have given you, but just to let you know that finally I managed to find out what was the problem.

 

Last time I went in to the menu, I entert the in put section and I pressed the space bar on the first item without knowing what was going to happen,

 

That’s why I couldn’t access the synthesizers.

 

Thanks once again for your help.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 13 June 2017 00:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hello, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S is what you hit to go to a different synthesizer. NVDA control V is what you hit forchanging the voice.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 6/12/2017 1:35 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

I tried to access the synthizer  area to change the voice, but only the microsofft platform is showing me.

 

Also evrytime I tried the command control key plus NVDA plus v, nothing happens.

 

Can somebody please explain to me what I should to correct this problem?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 12 June 2017 09:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: strange problem

 

Hi,

I have had those experiences many times! LOL! I just mark it up as a beautiful freeky thing. I could tell you things like that all day LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Yeah, no? kidding! I'm at a loss.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Hi, Chris,

That's wild! I don't know what made the insert key work correctly but I'm
glad it's fine now.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

Hello guys.

You're not going to believe this one!

I woke up this morning, started up nvda, and all of a sudden, my insert key
on the numpad started working correctly. Would you believe it.

I wonder what in the world caused it to all of a sudden start working?

Does anyone happen to know?

This is just getting more weird by the minute!

Thanks.

Chris.

 

 

 


Re: strange problem

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

First of all I would like to thank you very much, that in a very short time you have managed to help me improving with NVDA, despite of my bad English you always managed to guide me very good.

 

I can a sure you that all the info you are sending me are being saved to referring to them whenever I need it.

 

It’s amazing how one can learn from the questions he makes, even the others on the list are showing me great support as well , and I’m very greatful to them.

 

I never thought that I was going to make such a progress in a very shorttime.

 

So thanks once again for your patients and your great support which I appreciated very much.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony  

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 June 2017 19:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

That is not correct.  NVDA u changes the way progress bars are spoken.  to change speech to off, beep, or back to talk, which is the default and which is usually used, the command is NVDA key s.  Repeating the command cycles through all these options. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 11:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S just changes the synthesizer. If you want to go to either speak, beep or no speech, it's NVDA plus U.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 6/14/2017 7:34 AM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi chris

 

First of all many thanks for the instructions of how to turn off the punctuation, secondly withregards theother thing, if I press control, NVDA s, it has a different meaning,

 

That is to change the synthesizer to 3 modes, talk, beap and silence, if I’m not wrong, because I have tried it several times.

 

As I said before I’m still learning and not to judging others, I’m  simply explaining what I have noticed.

 

Thank you once again for your support.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 14 June 2017 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi Anthony

It does not matter if the command is written Control NVDA s or NVDA Control s because it is exactly the same command.  You should be pressing and holding down the NVDA and control keys and whilst doing so, press the s key.  You may also see the command written as NVDA+Control+s, which better illustrates the command is a combination of the 3 keys.  Because the NVDA and Control keys are modifier keys, you can hold them down then press s rather than trying to press all 3 simultaneously.  Modifier keys send additional information from the keyboard to the computer when combined with a standard key, in this case the letter s.  NVDA is running on the computer, identifies that the keypress code you have typed contains the NVDA modifier key code so knows it needs to be processed by the NVDA program

 

As for the punctuation that is spoken, it depends on how you are reading the tutorial.  If you are arrowing character by character, it will read all punctuation.  If you open the NVDA voice dialog by pressing NVDA+Control+v, tab to the Punctuation symbol level combo box, set it to none and press enter.  This will eliminate the voicing of punctuation when reading line by line using the down arrow and using the ‘Say All’ command (NVDA+Down Arrow).

HTH

Chris.  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 14 June 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

 

According to the tutorial the shortcut to access synthesizers is control NVDA s, and when someone else told me to press NVDA control s, it worked, and the same with the voices.

 

I’m so sorry if I wasn’t very clear in my previous email.

 

But I must admit that you were, and still are of a great help for me and support with the info you have sent me.

 

If I may asking you again, is there a way of how to turn off something for a shorttime in NVDA to stop reading such as comas, dots and many others, when I’m listening to a tutorial?

 

Because they don’t lent me concentrate enough.

 

Many thanks once again for your help and sorry for the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

You gave exactly the same commands when you said they didn't work and that they did work.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

I tried to use those shortcuts control nvda s, and control nvda v, but they didn’t work.

Then somebody else sent me another form, for synthesizers I have to press control nvda s, for voices I should use control nvda v, and they worked that way.

Kindest regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 14:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Do you understand that all commands such as control NVDA key s and Control NVDA key v are used without going into the menus?  You can get to the same settings in the menus but such commands are shortcuts that bypass the menus.  You can use them anywhere.  You aren't in NVDA when you use them.  You could be on the desktop, in a program, almost anywhere. 

 

In the menus, you would get to such settings by opening the menus, then down arrowing to preferences and pressing enter.  Then down arrow to either synthesizer and press enter or voice settings and press enter.  It sounds as though you would save yourself a lot of time and trouble by working with a good NVDA tutorial such as the one I sent a link to a number of days ago. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi rosemarie

 

I’m so sorry for the trouble I might have given you, but just to let you know that finally I managed to find out what was the problem.

 

Last time I went in to the menu, I entert the in put section and I pressed the space bar on the first item without knowing what was going to happen,

 

That’s why I couldn’t access the synthesizers.

 

Thanks once again for your help.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 13 June 2017 00:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hello, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S is what you hit to go to a different synthesizer. NVDA control V is what you hit forchanging the voice.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 6/12/2017 1:35 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

I tried to access the synthizer  area to change the voice, but only the microsofft platform is showing me.

 

Also evrytime I tried the command control key plus NVDA plus v, nothing happens.

 

Can somebody please explain to me what I should to correct this problem?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 12 June 2017 09:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: strange problem

 

Hi,

I have had those experiences many times! LOL! I just mark it up as a beautiful freeky thing. I could tell you things like that all day LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Yeah, no? kidding! I'm at a loss.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Hi, Chris,

That's wild! I don't know what made the insert key work correctly but I'm
glad it's fine now.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

Hello guys.

You're not going to believe this one!

I woke up this morning, started up nvda, and all of a sudden, my insert key
on the numpad started working correctly. Would you believe it.

I wonder what in the world caused it to all of a sudden start working?

Does anyone happen to know?

This is just getting more weird by the minute!

Thanks.

Chris.

 

 

 


Re: strange problem

anthony borg
 

Thanks chris for your explanation.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 14 June 2017 19:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi Anthony

The command to set speech to Talk, Beep or off is NVDA+s, the control key is not used.  NVDA+Control+s is a different command which opens the synthesizer selection dialog.  Please understand the order in which you press the Control and NVDA modifier keys is irrelevant, you have to hold them down whilst you press a standard key such as in this case the letter s.  It’s only then the keycode is passed to the computer from the keyboard.  

 

HTH

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 14 June 2017 15:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi chris

 

First of all many thanks for the instructions of how to turn off the punctuation, secondly withregards theother thing, if I press control, NVDA s, it has a different meaning,

 

That is to change the synthesizer to 3 modes, talk, beap and silence, if I’m not wrong, because I have tried it several times.

 

As I said before I’m still learning and not to judging others, I’m  simply explaining what I have noticed.

 

Thank you once again for your support.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 14 June 2017 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi Anthony

It does not matter if the command is written Control NVDA s or NVDA Control s because it is exactly the same command.  You should be pressing and holding down the NVDA and control keys and whilst doing so, press the s key.  You may also see the command written as NVDA+Control+s, which better illustrates the command is a combination of the 3 keys.  Because the NVDA and Control keys are modifier keys, you can hold them down then press s rather than trying to press all 3 simultaneously.  Modifier keys send additional information from the keyboard to the computer when combined with a standard key, in this case the letter s.  NVDA is running on the computer, identifies that the keypress code you have typed contains the NVDA modifier key code so knows it needs to be processed by the NVDA program

 

As for the punctuation that is spoken, it depends on how you are reading the tutorial.  If you are arrowing character by character, it will read all punctuation.  If you open the NVDA voice dialog by pressing NVDA+Control+v, tab to the Punctuation symbol level combo box, set it to none and press enter.  This will eliminate the voicing of punctuation when reading line by line using the down arrow and using the ‘Say All’ command (NVDA+Down Arrow).

HTH

Chris.  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 14 June 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

 

According to the tutorial the shortcut to access synthesizers is control NVDA s, and when someone else told me to press NVDA control s, it worked, and the same with the voices.

 

I’m so sorry if I wasn’t very clear in my previous email.

 

But I must admit that you were, and still are of a great help for me and support with the info you have sent me.

 

If I may asking you again, is there a way of how to turn off something for a shorttime in NVDA to stop reading such as comas, dots and many others, when I’m listening to a tutorial?

 

Because they don’t lent me concentrate enough.

 

Many thanks once again for your help and sorry for the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

You gave exactly the same commands when you said they didn't work and that they did work.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

I tried to use those shortcuts control nvda s, and control nvda v, but they didn’t work.

Then somebody else sent me another form, for synthesizers I have to press control nvda s, for voices I should use control nvda v, and they worked that way.

Kindest regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 14:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Do you understand that all commands such as control NVDA key s and Control NVDA key v are used without going into the menus?  You can get to the same settings in the menus but such commands are shortcuts that bypass the menus.  You can use them anywhere.  You aren't in NVDA when you use them.  You could be on the desktop, in a program, almost anywhere. 

 

In the menus, you would get to such settings by opening the menus, then down arrowing to preferences and pressing enter.  Then down arrow to either synthesizer and press enter or voice settings and press enter.  It sounds as though you would save yourself a lot of time and trouble by working with a good NVDA tutorial such as the one I sent a link to a number of days ago. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi rosemarie

 

I’m so sorry for the trouble I might have given you, but just to let you know that finally I managed to find out what was the problem.

 

Last time I went in to the menu, I entert the in put section and I pressed the space bar on the first item without knowing what was going to happen,

 

That’s why I couldn’t access the synthesizers.

 

Thanks once again for your help.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 13 June 2017 00:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hello, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S is what you hit to go to a different synthesizer. NVDA control V is what you hit forchanging the voice.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 6/12/2017 1:35 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

I tried to access the synthizer  area to change the voice, but only the microsofft platform is showing me.

 

Also evrytime I tried the command control key plus NVDA plus v, nothing happens.

 

Can somebody please explain to me what I should to correct this problem?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 12 June 2017 09:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: strange problem

 

Hi,

I have had those experiences many times! LOL! I just mark it up as a beautiful freeky thing. I could tell you things like that all day LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Yeah, no? kidding! I'm at a loss.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Hi, Chris,

That's wild! I don't know what made the insert key work correctly but I'm
glad it's fine now.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

Hello guys.

You're not going to believe this one!

I woke up this morning, started up nvda, and all of a sudden, my insert key
on the numpad started working correctly. Would you believe it.

I wonder what in the world caused it to all of a sudden start working?

Does anyone happen to know?

This is just getting more weird by the minute!

Thanks.

Chris.

 

 


Re: dictation bridge?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ken,

There is a public beta of Dictation Bridge available from: http://dictationbridge.com/

They're also on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DictationBridge

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:11 PM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:
Hi NVDA users ken here. breefed the local technology devision of national federation of the blind and also our local computer talk club on the NVDA conference and mentioned dictation bridge. I set up my speech recognition software in advance of it’s release. any word on whether or not it will be available soon via the addon’s website. really can’t wait to take it for a spin.  especially after I get the issue with my computer and the creaters update resolved. have a corrupted file in one partition of the hard drive that think there isn’t enough space on it. have to get a thumb drive to copy that repare tools file over from that partition then remap it before the ISL file installs it.  I may or may not try with the upgrade assistant again after windows has updated. 




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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,
I'm so sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought we had this update already. Yesterday, though, I got a notification that I had to agree to and was then told that there would be work being done in the background before the update was ready and we'd be notified when it was. This was yesterday and nothing's happened. Does anyone know approximately how long this working in the background will take before the updates ready because apparently, this working in the background occasionally makes our NVDA sluggish? Thanks and we'll be nervously awaiting this update. --
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Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
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Big Brother update line is option 1 of our box and the breaking TV News updates line is option 9 of our box. You can hear our wedding with option 2.
God bless everyone!!!


dictation bridge?

ken lawrence
 

Hi NVDA users ken here. breefed the local technology devision of national federation of the blind and also our local computer talk club on the NVDA conference and mentioned dictation bridge. I set up my speech recognition software in advance of it’s release. any word on whether or not it will be available soon via the addon’s website. really can’t wait to take it for a spin.  especially after I get the issue with my computer and the creaters update resolved. have a corrupted file in one partition of the hard drive that think there isn’t enough space on it. have to get a thumb drive to copy that repare tools file over from that partition then remap it before the ISL file installs it.  I may or may not try with the upgrade assistant again after windows has updated. 


Re: strange problem

anthony borg
 

Hi rosemarie

Thanks very much for your last explanation.

Best regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 14 June 2017 20:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I thought he was talking about the progress bar. I know the command for that is NVDA U.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 6/14/2017 10:21 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not correct.  NVDA u changes the way progress bars are spoken.  to change speech to off, beep, or back to talk, which is the default and which is usually used, the command is NVDA key s.  Repeating the command cycles through all these options. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 11:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S just changes the synthesizer. If you want to go to either speak, beep or no speech, it's NVDA plus U.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 6/14/2017 7:34 AM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi chris

 

First of all many thanks for the instructions of how to turn off the punctuation, secondly withregards theother thing, if I press control, NVDA s, it has a different meaning,

 

That is to change the synthesizer to 3 modes, talk, beap and silence, if I’m not wrong, because I have tried it several times.

 

As I said before I’m still learning and not to judging others, I’m  simply explaining what I have noticed.

 

Thank you once again for your support.

 

Best regards

 

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 14 June 2017 13:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi Anthony

It does not matter if the command is written Control NVDA s or NVDA Control s because it is exactly the same command.  You should be pressing and holding down the NVDA and control keys and whilst doing so, press the s key.  You may also see the command written as NVDA+Control+s, which better illustrates the command is a combination of the 3 keys.  Because the NVDA and Control keys are modifier keys, you can hold them down then press s rather than trying to press all 3 simultaneously.  Modifier keys send additional information from the keyboard to the computer when combined with a standard key, in this case the letter s.  NVDA is running on the computer, identifies that the keypress code you have typed contains the NVDA modifier key code so knows it needs to be processed by the NVDA program

 

As for the punctuation that is spoken, it depends on how you are reading the tutorial.  If you are arrowing character by character, it will read all punctuation.  If you open the NVDA voice dialog by pressing NVDA+Control+v, tab to the Punctuation symbol level combo box, set it to none and press enter.  This will eliminate the voicing of punctuation when reading line by line using the down arrow and using the ‘Say All’ command (NVDA+Down Arrow).

HTH

Chris.  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony borg
Sent: 14 June 2017 10:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

 

According to the tutorial the shortcut to access synthesizers is control NVDA s, and when someone else told me to press NVDA control s, it worked, and the same with the voices.

 

I’m so sorry if I wasn’t very clear in my previous email.

 

But I must admit that you were, and still are of a great help for me and support with the info you have sent me.

 

If I may asking you again, is there a way of how to turn off something for a shorttime in NVDA to stop reading such as comas, dots and many others, when I’m listening to a tutorial?

 

Because they don’t lent me concentrate enough.

 

Many thanks once again for your help and sorry for the trouble I’m giving you.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony     

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

You gave exactly the same commands when you said they didn't work and that they did work.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi gene

I tried to use those shortcuts control nvda s, and control nvda v, but they didn’t work.

Then somebody else sent me another form, for synthesizers I have to press control nvda s, for voices I should use control nvda v, and they worked that way.

Kindest regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 June 2017 14:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Do you understand that all commands such as control NVDA key s and Control NVDA key v are used without going into the menus?  You can get to the same settings in the menus but such commands are shortcuts that bypass the menus.  You can use them anywhere.  You aren't in NVDA when you use them.  You could be on the desktop, in a program, almost anywhere. 

 

In the menus, you would get to such settings by opening the menus, then down arrowing to preferences and pressing enter.  Then down arrow to either synthesizer and press enter or voice settings and press enter.  It sounds as though you would save yourself a lot of time and trouble by working with a good NVDA tutorial such as the one I sent a link to a number of days ago. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hi rosemarie

 

I’m so sorry for the trouble I might have given you, but just to let you know that finally I managed to find out what was the problem.

 

Last time I went in to the menu, I entert the in put section and I pressed the space bar on the first item without knowing what was going to happen,

 

That’s why I couldn’t access the synthesizers.

 

Thanks once again for your help.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 13 June 2017 00:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange problem

 

Hello, Anthony,

 

NVDA control S is what you hit to go to a different synthesizer. NVDA control V is what you hit forchanging the voice.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 6/12/2017 1:35 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello all

 

I tried to access the synthizer  area to change the voice, but only the microsofft platform is showing me.

 

Also evrytime I tried the command control key plus NVDA plus v, nothing happens.

 

Can somebody please explain to me what I should to correct this problem?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 12 June 2017 09:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: strange problem

 

Hi,

I have had those experiences many times! LOL! I just mark it up as a beautiful freeky thing. I could tell you things like that all day LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Yeah, no? kidding! I'm at a loss.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

 

Hi, Chris,

That's wild! I don't know what made the insert key work correctly but I'm
glad it's fine now.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Go figure! You guys are not going to believe this one!

Hello guys.

You're not going to believe this one!

I woke up this morning, started up nvda, and all of a sudden, my insert key
on the numpad started working correctly. Would you believe it.

I wonder what in the world caused it to all of a sudden start working?

Does anyone happen to know?

This is just getting more weird by the minute!

Thanks.

Chris.

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Gene
 

A lot of other people have completely the opposite opinion, that the registry won't grow large enough to have any noticeable impact on performance. 
 
People will have to decide for themselves.  but people whose opinions I trust say this. 

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Cleaners should really only make a difference if you know some uninstallers
cause a mess. Silverlight does this and so do some other stuff like Java.

I have never had an issue with ccleaner and keeping the registry as small as
possible makes a bigger difference on standard hard drive machines than on a
machine with an ssd.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016


A registry cleaner may cause damage and they usually don't improve
performance.  But the CCleaner registry Cleaner is considered pretty safe by
the advisors I read on the subject.  If a problem actually might be a
registry problem, running a cleaner and not using aggressive settings might
help, then again, it might not and it might cause other problems.  But if
you aren't having such a problem, running a cleaner introduces a certain
amount of risk and no benefits.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016


Well to be honest, I had a similar issue once, if you have adobe reader
dc you maybe able to temperarily fix it by doing a repair install,
however every update to office in my case broke it again.

Eventually on the system with the issue I installed another version of
office and it was fine though its still got some issues.

The box is quite old so eventually I will replace it.

On my other workstation I have had this issue, after my experience with
microsoft, I simply just did a reformat and the problem went away.

On that note if you use registry cleaners including ccleaner then you
probably hosed your system and probably should just reinstall windows.

I havn't needed to run mine for ages, and windows at least 10 anyway
does a good job of clearing its own trash.




On 14/06/2017 7:49 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This leads me to believe that a call to Microsoft might be in order:
> something odd is going on with one or more NVDA components, an issue with
> Outlook, one or more DLL’s being unregistered or something else. Once I
> get confirmation from others, I’ll forward our findings to developers for
> further analysis.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Milam
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Yeah they do.  I had tried this as well to see if it would help but it
> definitely isn’t add-on related.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> One more thing we can try: does the errors occur when you run NVDA with
> all add-ons disabled? If not, it could be an add-on.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Hmmm, that’s concerning… Microsoft, where are you and what can we do…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:43 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> They have all had the same errors, this has been happening to me for ever.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:42 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Okay, is this the case with NVDA 2016.4, 2017.1 and 2017.2? If one of
> those had no errors, chances are that it might be something introduced
> recently, but if all three have errors, then looks like a call to
> Microsoft might be in order.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:39 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi Joseph,
>
>
>
> I downloaded the nvda_snapshot_try-noGetPixel-14093,ad84027c and it seemed
> to help at first though with errors.  However, the sluggish behavior in
> messages has persisted along with the error messages mostly whenever I
> launch and close Outlook.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:37 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you know the build that was faster than before and when it came out?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:23 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> I am having the exact same issues.  At first with one of the newer Next
> builds, it was faster when navigating messages, but this is no longer the
> case, and the errors persist.  I actually have to copy a message into
> Notepad if I want to read it if it is more than a couple of paragraphs.  I
> don’t get it.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
> Sam Bushman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:01 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have tried all versions including the next and master versions and keep
> getting errors in outlook 2016.
>
>
> Please see my log below. Any ideas to resolve? I have done all I can.
>
>
>
> INFO - __main__ (12:57:18.793):
>
> Starting NVDA
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:19.717):
>
> Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda
>
> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:57:19.717):
>
> Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):
>
> NVDA version master-14109,35dc6213
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):
>
> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):
>
> Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59)
> [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):
>
> Using comtypes version 0.6.2
>
> INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:57:20.951):
>
> Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
>
> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:57:22.025):
>
> Loaded synthDriver espeak
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:22.025):
>
> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
>
> INFO - braille.initialize (12:57:22.025):
>
> Using liblouis version 3.0.0
>
> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:57:22.025):
>
> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
>
> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:57:22.039):
>
> Braille input initialized
>
> WARNING - core.main (12:57:22.078):
>
> Java Access Bridge not available
>
> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:57:22.078):
>
> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
>
> INFO - core.main (12:57:22.536):
>
> NVDA initialized
>
> ERROR - RPC process 11220 (nvda_slave.exe) (12:58:15.046):
>
> __main__.main:
>
> slave error
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>    File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main
>
>    File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
>
>    File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject
>
>    File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject
>
>    File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
>
> WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
>
> INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
> (13:00:41.851):
>
> Developer info for navigator object:
>
> name: u'Message'
>
> role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT
>
> states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED
>
> isFocusable: True
>
> hasFocus: True
>
> Python object:
> <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject
> object at 0x04D11EF0>
>
> Python class mro: (<class
> 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>,
> <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class
> 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class
> 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
>
> description: None
>
> location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)
>
> value: None
>
> appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 10772) at address
> 4c76250>
>
> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
>
> appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2157'
>
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>
>
> windowHandle: 67310
>
> windowClassName: u'_WwG'
>
> windowControlID: 0
>
> windowStyle: 1442840576
>
> windowThreadID: 10776
>
> windowText: u'Message'
>
> displayText: u''
>
> IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x62c1700 at 4df4120>
>
> IAccessibleChildID: 0
>
> IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=67310, objectID=-4, childID=0
>
> IAccessible accName: u'Message'
>
> IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT
>
> IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE,
> STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)
>
> IAccessible accDescription: None
>
> IAccessible accValue: None
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>