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Re: libre office enhancements addon?

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi, Quentin,


I understand all the reasons you listed.

But can you be more specific in what is happening with LibreOffice? Why the issues are not being addressed?

So, In relation to LibreOffice specifically:

1 - The limited developers team is one reason?

2 - LibreOffice is not a priority?

3 - The LibreOffice team is not interested in working together with NVDA DEVELOPERS to fix the issues?

4 - Do Microsoft funding influences?

Knowing the reasons is the only way we can ask for solutions on both developers.

Excuse me, but GitHub, to me, is a mess. I prefer to use this group to talk about the issues, as I know the NVDA developers will see them.


Kind regards,


Walmir.




Em 15/06/2017 10:28, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi everyone,

There certainly are numerous reasons why some programs may get more attention than others.

First and foremost, with a very limited development team, we just can't get to everything, therefore we do need to try to prioritise what we can work on to try and have the greatest impact and benefit for users.

Sometimes yes, that does mean working on fixing issues in a more popular program than a less well known alternative.

Sometimes it is because we have tried to approach the developers of a program to work together on fixing accessibility issues, and they just aren't interested. Often issues may require work both from NV Access, and from the program developer, in order to implement a solution, so we do need some cooperation.

Sometimes we may receive funding from a particular company to identify and work on issues in their compatibility with NVDA.

In the case of Microsoft office as well, having been working on the Microsoft word and excel with NVDA training modules, that uncovered a lot of issues, both in office and in NVDA.

At the end of the day, do please continue to file issues in GitHub for compatibility with software you use, also feel free to comment on issues if you have more information.  The more interest shown in a software program, and the clearer the bug reports, the easier it is for us to make it a higher priority.

Kind regards

Quentin

On 15 Jun. 2017 23:06, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:
We don't know how much this is because of lack of proper accessibility in LibreOffice.  Programs may pose very difficult access issues with screen-readers if the designers don't built in proper access in the first place.  In addition, given limited resources and workers, it may be thought to be more important to emphasize access with Word, which is used generally in work and academic settings. 
 
I'll let the developers comment further, I don’t' want to and can't speak for them.  I have no objection to such questions being discussed.  But there may be very good reasons why Word substitute programs aren't given attention and I maintain that asking rather than more or less stating that such programs are being neglected is a conclusion that is an unsupported assumption.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libre office enhancements addon?

Hi!


I totally agree!

In every new NVDA version, we see many enhancements related to MS
Office, but LibreOffice is ignored.

In fact, as I noted in many messages in this group, LibreOffice and NVDA
have some very annoying issues when working together.

Very sad.


Walmir.


Em 14/06/2017 16:30, Josh Kennedy escreveu:
> hi
>
> I know that microsoft word and NVDA or I should say microsoft office
> apps and NVDA work good together. you can read charts and graphs in
> excel, you can use browse mode, read comments, and much more. But it
> seems like libreoffice is lagging behind as far as libreoffice
> enhanced features. So that folks don't have to pay for microsoft
> office if they don't want to. if libreoffice does not read charts with
> NVDA, does not have browse mode ability, reading comments, basically
> it would be nice if the feature set that we see and have in microsoft
> office for NVDA should also transfer over and be available in the free
> libreoffice as well. If someone could make an addon which will bring
> all the nice ms-office enhancements into libreoffice for NVDA this
> would be useful for me and others who cannot afford ms-office.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>





can't update beyond Windows 10 Build 14393, please help?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,
A few days ago we'd gotten a notification about privacy settings to get the Creator's update for Windows 10 and kept waiting until someone directed us to this web site where we were supposed to be able to get the latest version, so we installed the Windows 10 Upgrade Assistant thinking this would help us do just this. Yesterday, we thought we'd gotten the upgrade, but then this morning around 1:25 EST, I got a notification to upgrade, so I did. The Windows 10 update assistant keeps telling us that we're not running the latest version and that it can help us get it so it's been run a few times and we can not get past 14393. What's wrong and how can we get past this? When running the Windows 10 Update Assistant and checking the progress with Narrator, it switches from female to male voices. Which voice is the right one to let us know it's working right and does this mean anything?
Please help? We're both totally blind so no mouse or sighted instructions will do us any good as it's very hard to get working eyes around here. We use the latest version of NVDA, but if we have to can also switch to the latest version of JAWS to get this job done. Any help would be greatly appreciated? Thanks.--
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Re: Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

John Hedges
 

Converting from some older versions of Windows does take longer. Then there are hangs like on preview builds that never install or try to over and over.

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

 

Hey Lisa,


When I installed the creators update on my laptop, it took all night.
And they say that it should be about 90 minutes or so to install.  I
wanted to laugh but then again, this is Microsoft. You'll have to be
patient with it.  And the darn thing does not, and will not install on
my desktop at all. I think part of the reason is that my desktop is a
hybrid.


Tony


On 6/15/2017 7:47 AM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm so sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought we had
> this update already. Yesterday, though, I got a notification that I
> had to agree to and was then told that there would be work being done
> in the background before the update was ready and we'd be notified
> when it was. This was yesterday and nothing's happened. Does anyone
> know approximately how long this working in the background will take
> before the updates ready because apparently, this working in the
> background occasionally makes our NVDA sluggish? Thanks and we'll be
> nervously awaiting this update. --





Re: soft voice

Leo
 

I also like neospeech voices,

I'd wish you could use this voices as an addon for nvda.


Leo

El 16/6/2017 a las 05:36, Joshua Hendrickson escribió:
I really like Neospeech voices. I'm using microsoft Anna at the
moment. I don't think she is all that bad either. I've got a synth
installed where I can actually hear her this time.

On 6/16/17, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Travis,


Thanks bro. I did find it under synthesizers and played with it for a
bit, however, I think for now till things get better, I'll stick with
neospeech.


Tony


On 6/14/2017 7:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
It just works, select synthesizer, and it should show up as one of the
choices. After that, you can switch to the voices, and go through the
various options. Some of the voices don't sound too bad, but I'm
having some audio artifacts (almost like microphone feedback), so it
isn't something I can use on a regular basis, but the voices
themselves aren't all that bad though they're not really the kind of
thing I'd use given a choice, with the exception of possible 1 or 2 of
them, but since those audio artifacts exist, I can't really play with
it for normal usage, so I think I have to assign this one to the
research bucket and be done with it. :)



On 6/14/2017 5:28 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy Josh,


This sounds fun, however, I can't figure out how it works. I've got it
installed, in the add ons but can't Get it to function. Does this thing
have any instructions for using it? Thanks for any help man.


Tony




On 6/12/2017 10:20 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

if you want soft voice to sing your text, set it to the choir boy
voice.






Re: libre office enhancements addon?

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

As the issues between LibreOffice and NVDA  are counted only in the hands, so few they are, I think that LibreOffice has sufficiently good accessibility built in.

For this same reason, the number of workers or hours to solve the problems may not be so great.
The problem here seems to be a lack of communication between the developers of both software.
The fact of Word being use in academic settings, at least here in Brazil, is not the case. My graduation course had a discipline to teach LibreOffice and it was the suite used by the Federal University -- all of them use it.
As I see one release after another of NVDA simply not given LibreOffice the attention it certainly deserves, the only logical conclusion is that it is being neglected. I am sorry.

Walmir.

Em 15/06/2017 10:05, Gene escreveu:

We don't know how much this is because of lack of proper accessibility in LibreOffice.  Programs may pose very difficult access issues with screen-readers if the designers don't built in proper access in the first place.  In addition, given limited resources and workers, it may be thought to be more important to emphasize access with Word, which is used generally in work and academic settings. 
 
I'll let the developers comment further, I don’t' want to and can't speak for them.  I have no objection to such questions being discussed.  But there may be very good reasons why Word substitute programs aren't given attention and I maintain that asking rather than more or less stating that such programs are being neglected is a conclusion that is an unsupported assumption.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libre office enhancements addon?

Hi!


I totally agree!

In every new NVDA version, we see many enhancements related to MS
Office, but LibreOffice is ignored.

In fact, as I noted in many messages in this group, LibreOffice and NVDA
have some very annoying issues when working together.

Very sad.


Walmir.


Em 14/06/2017 16:30, Josh Kennedy escreveu:
> hi
>
> I know that microsoft word and NVDA or I should say microsoft office
> apps and NVDA work good together. you can read charts and graphs in
> excel, you can use browse mode, read comments, and much more. But it
> seems like libreoffice is lagging behind as far as libreoffice
> enhanced features. So that folks don't have to pay for microsoft
> office if they don't want to. if libreoffice does not read charts with
> NVDA, does not have browse mode ability, reading comments, basically
> it would be nice if the feature set that we see and have in microsoft
> office for NVDA should also transfer over and be available in the free
> libreoffice as well. If someone could make an addon which will bring
> all the nice ms-office enhancements into libreoffice for NVDA this
> would be useful for me and others who cannot afford ms-office.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Windows 10 Creator's update and notifications

Tony Ballou
 

Hey Lisa,


When I installed the creators update on my laptop, it took all night.
And they say that it should be about 90 minutes or so to install. I
wanted to laugh but then again, this is Microsoft. You'll have to be
patient with it. And the darn thing does not, and will not install on
my desktop at all. I think part of the reason is that my desktop is a
hybrid.


Tony

On 6/15/2017 7:47 AM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi,
I'm so sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought we had
this update already. Yesterday, though, I got a notification that I
had to agree to and was then told that there would be work being done
in the background before the update was ready and we'd be notified
when it was. This was yesterday and nothing's happened. Does anyone
know approximately how long this working in the background will take
before the updates ready because apparently, this working in the
background occasionally makes our NVDA sluggish? Thanks and we'll be
nervously awaiting this update. --


Re: soft voice

Tony Ballou
 

On 6/15/2017 3:53 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:
Hello guys, where can I find the add-on?


Re: soft voice

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I really like Neospeech voices. I'm using microsoft Anna at the
moment. I don't think she is all that bad either. I've got a synth
installed where I can actually hear her this time.

On 6/16/17, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Travis,


Thanks bro. I did find it under synthesizers and played with it for a
bit, however, I think for now till things get better, I'll stick with
neospeech.


Tony


On 6/14/2017 7:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
It just works, select synthesizer, and it should show up as one of the
choices. After that, you can switch to the voices, and go through the
various options. Some of the voices don't sound too bad, but I'm
having some audio artifacts (almost like microphone feedback), so it
isn't something I can use on a regular basis, but the voices
themselves aren't all that bad though they're not really the kind of
thing I'd use given a choice, with the exception of possible 1 or 2 of
them, but since those audio artifacts exist, I can't really play with
it for normal usage, so I think I have to assign this one to the
research bucket and be done with it. :)



On 6/14/2017 5:28 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy Josh,


This sounds fun, however, I can't figure out how it works. I've got it
installed, in the add ons but can't Get it to function. Does this thing
have any instructions for using it? Thanks for any help man.


Tony




On 6/12/2017 10:20 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

if you want soft voice to sing your text, set it to the choir boy
voice.








--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: soft voice

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Travis,


Thanks bro. I did find it under synthesizers and played with it for a
bit, however, I think for now till things get better, I'll stick with
neospeech.


Tony

On 6/14/2017 7:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
It just works, select synthesizer, and it should show up as one of the
choices. After that, you can switch to the voices, and go through the
various options. Some of the voices don't sound too bad, but I'm
having some audio artifacts (almost like microphone feedback), so it
isn't something I can use on a regular basis, but the voices
themselves aren't all that bad though they're not really the kind of
thing I'd use given a choice, with the exception of possible 1 or 2 of
them, but since those audio artifacts exist, I can't really play with
it for normal usage, so I think I have to assign this one to the
research bucket and be done with it. :)



On 6/14/2017 5:28 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy Josh,


This sounds fun, however, I can't figure out how it works. I've got it
installed, in the add ons but can't Get it to function. Does this thing
have any instructions for using it? Thanks for any help man.


Tony




On 6/12/2017 10:20 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

if you want soft voice to sing your text, set it to the choir boy
voice.






Re: help with add-on

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

 

I have installed those 3 brousers you mentioned, but as a default brouser I have the internet explorer.

 

I managed to access the add-on web site without any problem, and I also foundthe the apps that one can download, but is there any commands that one should use in NVDA that takes you to the download button?

 

If there is anyone else that can be of some help I would appreciate it.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 June 2017 23:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with add-on

 

I'm not sure how to instruct you.  I don't know what browser you are using nor where you had a problem.  If you are using Internet Explorer, someone else may have to discuss the question.  I've hardly used it in years and I don't have the current version, where a different download interface is used than in most earlier ones.  If you are using Firefox, I can discuss the question.  If Chrome, I'd have to try starting a download to discuss it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help with add-on

 

Hi gene

I managed to go to add-on to do some practice and I tried to download the weather plus to install it, but I was finding hard to find the way how to do it.

If you don’t mind can you please explain to me what I should do?

Sorry if I’m troubling you again,

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 June 2017 21:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: help with add-on

 

I am running an out of date version on my XP machines.  I almost never go online with my Windows 7 machine and I haven't updated the program for quite some time.  I don't use Chrome to any extent, which is one reason I'm not concerned myself if it is current. 

 

Having explained that, I'll say that I suspect that you are having an unexpected problem and behavior that is not generally experienced.  Chrome has become increasingly popular with blind users and if this were a general problem, I expect I would have seen it discussed on at least one of the three e-mail lists I follow where such a thing would be expected to be discussed unless there has been a very new update of Chrome.

 

If there isn't any response, out of curiosity, I may put my Windows 7 machine online and let it update but there will probably be a good deal of comment from others.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

It appears to me that every time you open Google Chrome it checks and
installs updates, so I am not sure if you can be running a out of date
version.  Of course I could be totally wrong on all counts.  Trying to
move to Google Chrome as I am fed up with IE crashing with that
wonderful message that IE has stopped working and needs to be restarted.

On 6/15/2017 1:53 PM, Gene wrote:
> (I don't have a current version of the program so I don't know if things
> have changed.  In my version, when I open book marks, I am always placed
> at the same place, at the top of the submenu.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:42 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome
>
> I am using the latest version of NVDA.  Getting to the bookmarks does
> work with hitting the alt key followed by spacebar then b.  Still a
> little messy as it seems to open the bookmarks and put you on a random
> entry in the list of bookmarks and as you said first letter selection
> does not work.  Doesn't seem that Google is great on their user interface.
>
> On 6/15/2017 1:28 PM, Gene wrote:
>  > What screen-reader are you using?
>  > Also, I haven't played with it enough to know if you can use it as an
>  > effective substitute for the book marks menu when finding and following
>  > a book mark.  But there is a book marks tool bar you can turn on.  It
>  > doesn't interfere with browsing and you can get to it with f6.  Right
>  > and left arrowing will move you through book marks.  They are buttons.
>  > Press the space bar on the one you want.  I believe first letter
>  > navigation works in the tool bar as well.  But I don't know if there are
>  > limitations in what you can do with the tool bar or how many book marks
>  > it shows or if it can show different folders.  But you may want to play
>  > with it.  I don't use Chrome much and (I don't have enough book marks to
>  > evaluate the
>  >
>  > If you open the book marks menu, you will find the item to determine if
>  > the tool bar is shown.  It will say something like show book marks bar.
>  > If it isn't checked, press enter on it.  the menu will close, you will
>  > be back in the main Window, and the tool bar will be available.
>  > Gene
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>  > *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:18 AM
>  > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome
>  >
>  > When going to the bookmarks as described below NVDA repeats the name of
>  > each bookmark twice.
>  >
>  > On 6/15/2017 9:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>  >  > After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut. You can
>  >  > open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b
> and then
>  >  > press enter again.
>  >  > Gene
>  >  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > >
>  >  > *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>  > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM
>  >  > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  > <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  > > *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome
>  >  >
>  > > In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
>  >  > with Alt A and Alt B.  Is there a hot key combination to open
> favorites
>  >  > or bookmarks in google chrome?
>  >  > Thanks
>  >  >
>  > >
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>


Re: drag and drop add-in

Gene
 

Does the add on say it works with browsers in browse mode or in any setting where browse mode is used?  I have never seen any reports of a blind Internet user, using browse mode, being able to drag and drop.  Browse mode doesn't work directly with the page.  It presents its own version of the page for easier movement.  When the add on says that the item is inaccessible, it is probably being accurate and working properly.  The actual item is probably not accessible for dragging and dropping if browse mode is being used.  If it isn't, browsers may write to the screen now in such a way that the program may not be able to see the item. I don't know if browsers allow you to change how material is written to the screen.  there may be another or other reasons drag and drop doesn't work in browsers that I don't have the knowledge to discuss.  But unless someone surprises me with a solution for the add on or in general, I'm not surprised that the add on doesn't work when used with a browser.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] drag and drop add-in

Hi.  Just tried using the add-in for drag and drop on the latest NVDA.  I was working on a survey.  There was a list of 23 statements and I had to drag them in to 5 one of the 5 areas above.  Each time I pressed the command for marking what I wanted to drag it said unknown inaccessible from here.  When I attempted to drag the statement in to the correct category I got the message Could not find marked object to drop. 

What am I missing?  Is there a mouse setting I need to make sure is set correctly?  It seems so easy but can’t get it to work so had to give up on my survey.

 

Rebecca Ilniski  and guide dog  Zeb

Email: rilniski@...

Twitter: applegirl1994

 


Attention Windows 10 users: WinTenApps 17.06.2A emergency patch to fix Mail app browse mode problem

 

Hi all,

 

For those using Windows 10 and Windows 10 App Essentials: Version 17.06.2A is now available, fixing the critical issue of not being able to use browse mode in Windows 10 Mail app. This patch is considered critical, as without this, more recent Mail app versions will not be supported by NVDA properly.

Cheers,

Joseph


drag and drop add-in

Rebecca Ilniski
 

Hi.  Just tried using the add-in for drag and drop on the latest NVDA.  I was working on a survey.  There was a list of 23 statements and I had to drag them in to 5 one of the 5 areas above.  Each time I pressed the command for marking what I wanted to drag it said unknown inaccessible from here.  When I attempted to drag the statement in to the correct category I got the message Could not find marked object to drop. 

What am I missing?  Is there a mouse setting I need to make sure is set correctly?  It seems so easy but can’t get it to work so had to give up on my survey.

 

Rebecca Ilniski  and guide dog  Zeb

Email: rilniski@...

Twitter: applegirl1994

 


Outlook Mail Problem

Ralph Boersema
 

Dear All,

I sent this message out a couple of days ago and have not yet been able to solve the issue, but have been able to eliminate some possibilities. I am using Windows 10 and Outlook in Office 2016. I have generally been able to work with Outlook Mail reasonably well. However, recently a problem has arisen that I can't seem to resolve. One of my email accounts is a Microsoft exchange account. When I first set it up, NVDA navigated through these folders in the same way as other folders. Then, I needed to delete this account and then set it up again. This was for reasons relating to the Office 365 that our company uses. In other words, setting up this account anew had nothing to do with the Outlook installed on my computer. Since doing this, however, my navigating through the mail list has gone wacky:

1. I cannot navigate from one message to another using up and down arrows. The only way to move through the list is by using ctrl + up or down arrows and then selecting the message before opening it.
2. When I delete a message I get jumped down to an unpredictable location in the list, that is,it does not necessarily go to the next message in the list.
3. When I send out a message NVDA does not go to the next message, but to the folder, even though the setting is configured to go to the next message.

According to my wife, visually the navigation is working correctly.

All efforts to find the source of the problem in the view configurations have failed. The problems are only in the inbox. All of the other folders associated with the exchange account continue to work normally and show no problems.

Warmly,
Ralph


Re: Clickable versus links

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


The technical differences have already been explained to a degree by others. What I have found with NVDA is that sometimes, if you don't get clickable items to activate anything, you can switch to forms/edit mode with insert + space bar. then use the tab and shift tab to highlight the clickable item and press enter to activate.


This works great on the Tune In radio site to listen to content. If I do not go into forms/edit mode, I can't activate the clickable items that lead to streaming audio content. If I switch then I can activate them. This is not a solution for all clickable items that give screen readers problems, but it does on some sites as the above example.

On 6/15/2017 7:17 PM, Don H wrote:
Never understood what the difference is between finding items on a web page defined as clickable versus being defined as a link. Can someone explain the differences?
Thanks


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: [NFB of PA Discussions] Looking For Potential Testers

Buddy Brannan
 

These are the guys that contacted the list back in December about writing an NVDA driver, so I'm pretty sure this is on their radar.

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Phone: 814-860-3194
Mobile: 814-431-0962
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On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:

i hope this new braille display from india will also work with NVDA. read the below mesage.



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [NFB of PA Discussions] Looking For Potential Testers
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:05:39 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan buddy@brannan.name [nfbp-talk] <nfbp-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: nfbp-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: nfbp-talk@yahoogroups.com, Committee on the Promotion, Evaluation and Advancement of Technology <promotion-technology@nfbnet.org>

Hi,

I have been asked to circulate the below link. But first, some background.

Innovision, a company in India, is developing a low-cost braille display. Priced similarly to the Orbit reader 20, at somewhere between $300 and $500, they hope to be releasing a product soon.

Back in December, they asked on another email list about writing a braille display driver for NVDA. Apparently they've also been in touch with Google and Apple for the same thing, so it looks like they want wide support for their product. Anyway, at that time I started a dialog with Shyam Shah, the CEO of the company, being curious about these kinds of developments.

To make a long story interesting, last week, someone from a local university contacted me, saying she was assisting with development and testing of BrailleMe, the display in question, and would I be interested in testing a prototype. Of course I would, and so I got to spend about 45 minutes with what I later found out was the second prototype version.

Its rough edges definitely showed: there were dots that would stick (usually down), and a cells would not properly refresh if you had a finger on that particular cell, for example. It did have cursor routing buttons for each cell, and the refresh rate was very fast, certainly as fast, if not quite as reliable yet, as current displays. Naturally, any rough edges, I attribute to being a very early prototype, and I expect many of my concerns are being addressed in future hardware tweaks as Innovision nears actual production and manufacturing.

Anyway, Innovision is looking for individuals who would be interested in possibly testing the hardware, and also in giving them feedback and suggestions. If you're interested in this, please fill in the form at this link:
https://tinyurl.com/BrailleMe

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Re: Clickable versus links

Quentin Christensen
 

A link is usually made with the traditional HTML element <A HREF="URL">link text</A>.

These days, using various techniques, pretty much anything can be made so it can be clicked on or activated.  "Clickable" then indicates that you can activate a certain item, and it may work like a traditional link, or it might do something else entirely.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know structurally what thedifference is.  You click links and clickable items by pressing enter on them.  I haven't checked this enough to be sure but as I recall, enter won't stop on clickable items but up and down arrowing will.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Clickable versus links

Never understood what the difference is between finding items on a web
page defined as clickable versus being defined as a link.  Can someone
explain the differences?
Thanks





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Re: Help moving between header and footer sections

Quentin Christensen
 

Kara,

Press backspace to move back to the previous alignment or left arrow to do that without removing anything new you've typed.

Thanks for your comments, I'm updating that section in the Word training module based on your suggestions.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:
Correction to my last message:
 no it doesn't move between the centre and right sections. It moves to the centre section but on the next line.
Kara
On 15/06/2017 00:48, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kara,

My apologies, I should have more clearly advised what NVDA reads.  It does move from left aligned, to centre aligned, to right aligned, but when you press TAB it does read as if it's moved by tab stop.  On my A4 document with Normal margins for instance, when I press tab, it reads 10.5 centimetres (the middle of the 21cm wide page) and then 18.5cm (the right margin of the page).

It's a bit tricky, as it identifies as "Align default".

You can use CONTROL+L, CONTROL+E and CONTROL+R to change alignment, however that also moves any existing text (so it works as it would on a normal line of the document).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am currently working my way through NVAccess' excellent MS Word tutorial, and have ran into a problem when editing headers or footers.

Keep in mind I'm using word 2016 as part of my office 365 subscription.

The tutorial says that the tab key moves you from the left section, to the centre then to the right. However, in word 2016 it seems to just insert tab stops.

I remember this work correctly in word 2007, so something must have changed since then.

Does any of you know how to move between the sections now?


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Re: Clickable versus links

Gene
 

I don't know structurally what thedifference is.  You click links and clickable items by pressing enter on them.  I haven't checked this enough to be sure but as I recall, enter won't stop on clickable items but up and down arrowing will.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 6:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Clickable versus links

Never understood what the difference is between finding items on a web
page defined as clickable versus being defined as a link.  Can someone
explain the differences?
Thanks



Clickable versus links

Don H
 

Never understood what the difference is between finding items on a web page defined as clickable versus being defined as a link. Can someone explain the differences?
Thanks