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Re: OCR a Graphic

kelby carlson
 

I tried, but when I pressed g to go to the graphic and then NVDA+R, it
said "done" but did not show the text in the graphic.

On 6/19/17, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
Hi,


Hopefully, this link helps.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html


Cheers,
Dejan
On 6/19/2017 5:40 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is there a way to OCR a graphic on a webpage that contains text with
NVDA?








Copying and Retaining Formatting

kelby carlson
 

All,

Is there a way to copy text from a webpage into a Word document while
retaining the formatting/fontheadings of the text intact? When I copy
and paste normally this does not happen, and it was a feature in JAWS.


Latex and chatty or some other digital math solution?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi, i'm going into a computer programmer analyst college program in september. The college is still doing math largely using pen and paper. I am proficient using a perkins brailler, but I don't feel that duel transcription is a valuable use of time in this day'n'age.

The accessibility department at the college recommended latex and chatty for reading and writing math via computer. Now they are backtracking and telling me the learning curve is too steep. Any one using this suite of applications and nvda? I would appreciate any thoughts you may have.

Thanks,

Erik


Re: OCR a Graphic

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


Hopefully, this link helps.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html


Cheers,
Dejan

On 6/19/2017 5:40 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is there a way to OCR a graphic on a webpage that contains text with NVDA?



OCR a Graphic

kelby carlson
 

Is there a way to OCR a graphic on a webpage that contains text with NVDA?


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

Features from this add-on are being slowly integrated into NVDA Core at the moment. The biggest thing is under active testing in the next branch at the moment, and if things work out well, people will be able to hear search suggestion sounds starting from August 2017 without needing to use the add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

I don't want to make anyone mad, but here goes.

 

If this Windows ten ap is so important to have, why isn't it somehow included with the core of NVDA rather than as a separate item that must be downloaded by the user?

 

 

On 6/18/2017 11:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community,

 

Disclaimer: for new community members, I’m normally not like this, but I do sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts community experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness my explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that I talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a directive for Windows 10 users:

 

In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists that I’m a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is willing to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become a volcano, and those who’ve witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean. Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my apologies to our dear leaders for doing something like this):

 

Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I and other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.

 

For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10 App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:

 

Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials add-on if you are using Windows 10. I’ll make this an important requirement starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I’ll no longer ask you to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I’ll assume that you have. For Windows Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.

 

I’m not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor to increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on exists for important reasons:

 

  • Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows 10, including various UI Automation issues.
  • Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing workarounds put in place in past versions.
  • Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names of at least three universal app executables).
  • Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update), Edge notification announcements and others.
  • To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including letting screen reader users use apps to their full potential.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,
I always forget one or two things...
Add-on URL: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Hi,
the only thing I'd gingerly add is since this directive is strongly urging the use of this add in it might have been helpful to include the url at which it is found. while I'm sure it's been mentioned before and can perhaps be found referenced on the group's official page I just thought it'd be helpful to the maximum number of users were it to have been included. Just a thought for future directives of this type. I'll close with gratitude for all who participate to the betterment of all of us.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the
frustration

you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants
a reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their
changes cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are
deliberately screwing things up here, just that they really do not
test stuff enough. For people

who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do
not think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while
people do get fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a
regular basis by software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and
keep encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own
making it is,

I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have
had to

try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual
changes in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except
that he or she happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly
bought

a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues
decided

not to bother.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a
reason

why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this,
but I do sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it
impacts community experience and what not. So my sincere apologies
for letting you witness my explosive side. Please bear with me for a
second, as it is important that

I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce
a directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing
lists that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone
who is willing to show patience until the end, especially when
resolving tech support problems. But there is a hidden side to that:
for certain things, I become

a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
apologies to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when
I and other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the
meat of the burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to
reproduce the given problem, what a screen reader says, and what not.
When developers ask you questions, please do your best to answer them
if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote
Windows 10 App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie
and others have experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
add-on if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important
requirement starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September
2017, when you report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced,
I'll no longer ask you to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll
assume that you have. For Windows Insiders, this is a critical (and
mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it,
nor to increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as
removing workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
Edge notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
letting screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
the only thing I'd gingerly add is since this directive is strongly urging the use of this add in it might have been helpful to include the url at which it is found. while I'm sure it's been mentioned before and can perhaps be found referenced on the group's official page I just thought it'd be helpful to the maximum number of users were it to have been included. Just a thought for future directives of this type. I'll close with gratitude for all who participate to the betterment of all of us.
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the frustration

you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a
reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their changes
cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately screwing
things up here, just that they really do not test stuff enough. For people

who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not
think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do get
fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by
software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and keep
encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making it is,

I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had to

try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual changes
in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or she
happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly bought

a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues decided

not to bother.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason

why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but I
do
sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts
community
experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness
my
explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that

I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists
that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is
willing
to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become

a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
apologies
to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I
and
other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the
burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given
problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you
questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10
App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have
experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
add-on
if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you
report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer ask
you
to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For
Windows
Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor
to
increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
Edge
notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
letting
screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Pascal Lambert
 

I echo the same sentiment as Brian. The Win10 anniversary already caused me to buy another laptop I did not need as I was leaving on an overseas trip and my laptop was totally messed up after the update. I am honestly about to switch to a Mac as the Win environment is not reliable.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Austin Pinto
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the
frustration

you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants
a reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their
changes cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are
deliberately screwing things up here, just that they really do not
test stuff enough. For people

who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do
not think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while
people do get fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a
regular basis by software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and
keep encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own
making it is,

I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have
had to

try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual
changes in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except
that he or she happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly
bought

a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues
decided

not to bother.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a
reason

why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this,
but I do sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it
impacts community experience and what not. So my sincere apologies
for letting you witness my explosive side. Please bear with me for a
second, as it is important that

I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce
a directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing
lists that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone
who is willing to show patience until the end, especially when
resolving tech support problems. But there is a hidden side to that:
for certain things, I become

a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
apologies to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when
I and other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the
meat of the burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to
reproduce the given problem, what a screen reader says, and what not.
When developers ask you questions, please do your best to answer them
if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote
Windows 10 App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie
and others have experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
add-on if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important
requirement starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September
2017, when you report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced,
I'll no longer ask you to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll
assume that you have. For Windows Insiders, this is a critical (and
mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it,
nor to increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as
removing workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
Edge notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
letting screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Rui Fontes
 

As a NVDA translator and interested in code development, in spite of lack of knowledge to that, here are my thinkings:
1 - Most code of this addon normally is incorporated in NVDA, when aplicable;
2 - It is easier and faster to upgrade an addon than a NVDA version, only each 3 month...
3 - Some code of the addon is an answer to some changes in the Insider program, and some chances there are not reflected in stable version of Windows...
4 - and so on.... LOL!

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Ron Canazzi
Data: 19 de junho de 2017 12:46
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...



I don't want to make anyone mad, but here goes.




If this Windows ten ap is so important to have, why isn't it somehow included with the core of NVDA rather than as a separate item that must be downloaded by the user?

On 6/18/2017 11:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I’m normally not like this, but I do sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts community experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness my explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that I talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists that I’m a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is willing to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become a volcano, and those who’ve witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean. Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my apologies to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I and other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10 App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials add-on if you are using Windows 10. I’ll make this an important requirement starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I’ll no longer ask you to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I’ll assume that you have. For Windows Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.



I’m not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor to increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on exists for important reasons:



Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows 10, including various UI Automation issues.
Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing workarounds put in place in past versions.
Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names of at least three universal app executables).
Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update), Edge notification announcements and others.
To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including letting screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Ron Canazzi
 

I don't want to make anyone mad, but here goes.


If this Windows ten ap is so important to have, why isn't it somehow included with the core of NVDA rather than as a separate item that must be downloaded by the user?



On 6/18/2017 11:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community,

 

Disclaimer: for new community members, I’m normally not like this, but I do sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts community experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness my explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that I talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a directive for Windows 10 users:

 

In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists that I’m a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is willing to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become a volcano, and those who’ve witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean. Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my apologies to our dear leaders for doing something like this):

 

Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I and other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.

 

For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10 App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:

 

Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials add-on if you are using Windows 10. I’ll make this an important requirement starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I’ll no longer ask you to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I’ll assume that you have. For Windows Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.

 

I’m not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor to increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on exists for important reasons:

 

  • Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows 10, including various UI Automation issues.
  • Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing workarounds put in place in past versions.
  • Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names of at least three universal app executables).
  • Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update), Edge notification announcements and others.
  • To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including letting screen reader users use apps to their full potential.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: query

anthony borg
 

Thanks very much gene, I managed to find the tutorial I wanted.

 

Kindest regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 19 June 2017 12:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] query

 

Hi

 

the following page might help you. Off this page is a tutorial on using the free u tube down loader program with NVDA. the page can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

when you are on the page you can jump down by headings to the tutorial. There is a link just under it to the tutorial

There is a audio one and i just looked there is a written one that is not linked at present, but will link it shortly.

gene nz


On 6/19/2017 8:56 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi folks

 

Can somebody explain to me how to use the youtube downloader with NVDA, to be able to download something from youtube please? 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 June 2017 10:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

I can't speak for Joseph but when I read the exchange, you asking about where to get the add on isn't the issue at all.  the issue is that you said you weren't going to use the e-mail app until it was straightened out when Joseph was explaining that the e-mail app works properly with the Windows 10 app and was giving you explicit instructions to see if the problem is caused by not using the app or by using an old version. 

 

Then, when you cooled off, you decided to try what Joseph suggested, but the frustration caused by your previous messages has already been caused and it doesn't just disappear right away.  I've seen you do this before with other people who have been trying to help with other problems.  If you do this, I can't speak for Joseph but my reaction to such behavior is, fine, if you don't want my help, I'll stop trying.  then when you decide to try to solve the problem after all, I'll probably decide to help again but that doesn't mean I'm still not annoyed about what you did previously. 

 

If you want help, please cool off before you respond and don't write  things, in the heat of frustration and annoyance, that you decide to not act on shortly after.  If you are angry or frustrated, waiting for a time before responding will help you control such negative behavior that really puts those who are trying to help you off.

 

Gene

-=-----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

               

 

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I do agree that we all should try different things before we give up. That goes for anything in life—not just technology. I remember one time trying to learn how to knit socks but after a while, I discovered it was hard for me and I really put forth the effort to do it. The main thing is that I have the mail app working like I want it to now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

The other thing I wanted you and others to learn is trying out various routes before giving up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

The main thing I learned is patience. I’ve been on technical lists where I felt my questions weren’t being answered even though I tried to the best of my ability to explain what was going on. I’m not quite the technical person some of you on here are so it’s not always easy to explain things. I guess I’ll just go to the add-ons site and look for myself from now on. That’s all I have to say.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

So what did you learn from this situation? I hope you learned at least three things today.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just installed the new add-on and now the mail app is working like a charm. Sorry for all the frustration.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Now you have the W10 appessentials add-on installed, you should also get the dialog about closing multiple tabs when you use alt f4 to close Edge, so will be able to close it the same way as Firefox.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 19 June 2017 06:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

I didn’t get a dialog asking if I wanted to close all tabs like I would in firefox.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

Hi,

The true reason why Alt+F4 didn’t work here is because Edge has opened multiple tabs at once. If this happens, when one presses Alt+F4, one would be asked to close all tabs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

OK, yeah, so that isn't the issue with the FN key.

 

Hmm. Now, you've really got me stumped! I'll think about it, and let you know if I come up with anything.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

Hi, Chris,

 

Yes, alt F-4 normally works for me in other programs.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

Depends on the system. F4 might be getting intercepted as something like screen brightness or the like… Something dealing with hardware, not software. That’s why I said if you have an FN key, try holding that down. Does alt+F4 normally work in other applications for you? If so, then my suggestion won’t be correct.

 

Chris.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

Hmm. Didn’t think of that. Does this work on a desktop or just a laptop? I have a desktop.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

Try alt+FN+F4. Your F4 key might be getting intercepted as a hardware key and not a software key. I've had that happen on occasions with certain systems.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

I tried alt F-4 but it didn't work. I'll give it another try. Maybe I didn't close it correctly.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

I've just played with it a bit, but was always able to close it with alt f4 just like any other program.

Roger








On 6/18/2017 6:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I decided to play with edge a little bit but I had trouble closing the browser. I had to go to the desktop and then shut down. There has to be a way to close it like you do other browsers.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 


Re: query

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the following page might help you. Off this page is a tutorial on using the free u tube down loader program with NVDA. the page can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

when you are on the page you can jump down by headings to the tutorial. There is a link just under it to the tutorial

There is a audio one and i just looked there is a written one that is not linked at present, but will link it shortly.

gene nz



On 6/19/2017 8:56 PM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi folks

 

Can somebody explain to me how to use the youtube downloader with NVDA, to be able to download something from youtube please? 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 June 2017 10:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

I can't speak for Joseph but when I read the exchange, you asking about where to get the add on isn't the issue at all.  the issue is that you said you weren't going to use the e-mail app until it was straightened out when Joseph was explaining that the e-mail app works properly with the Windows 10 app and was giving you explicit instructions to see if the problem is caused by not using the app or by using an old version. 

 

Then, when you cooled off, you decided to try what Joseph suggested, but the frustration caused by your previous messages has already been caused and it doesn't just disappear right away.  I've seen you do this before with other people who have been trying to help with other problems.  If you do this, I can't speak for Joseph but my reaction to such behavior is, fine, if you don't want my help, I'll stop trying.  then when you decide to try to solve the problem after all, I'll probably decide to help again but that doesn't mean I'm still not annoyed about what you did previously. 

 

If you want help, please cool off before you respond and don't write  things, in the heat of frustration and annoyance, that you decide to not act on shortly after.  If you are angry or frustrated, waiting for a time before responding will help you control such negative behavior that really puts those who are trying to help you off.

 

Gene

-=-----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

               

 

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I do agree that we all should try different things before we give up. That goes for anything in life—not just technology. I remember one time trying to learn how to knit socks but after a while, I discovered it was hard for me and I really put forth the effort to do it. The main thing is that I have the mail app working like I want it to now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

The other thing I wanted you and others to learn is trying out various routes before giving up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

The main thing I learned is patience. I’ve been on technical lists where I felt my questions weren’t being answered even though I tried to the best of my ability to explain what was going on. I’m not quite the technical person some of you on here are so it’s not always easy to explain things. I guess I’ll just go to the add-ons site and look for myself from now on. That’s all I have to say.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

So what did you learn from this situation? I hope you learned at least three things today.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just installed the new add-on and now the mail app is working like a charm. Sorry for all the frustration.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: query

anthony borg
 

Hi folks

 

Can somebody explain to me how to use the youtube downloader with NVDA, to be able to download something from youtube please? 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 June 2017 10:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

I can't speak for Joseph but when I read the exchange, you asking about where to get the add on isn't the issue at all.  the issue is that you said you weren't going to use the e-mail app until it was straightened out when Joseph was explaining that the e-mail app works properly with the Windows 10 app and was giving you explicit instructions to see if the problem is caused by not using the app or by using an old version. 

 

Then, when you cooled off, you decided to try what Joseph suggested, but the frustration caused by your previous messages has already been caused and it doesn't just disappear right away.  I've seen you do this before with other people who have been trying to help with other problems.  If you do this, I can't speak for Joseph but my reaction to such behavior is, fine, if you don't want my help, I'll stop trying.  then when you decide to try to solve the problem after all, I'll probably decide to help again but that doesn't mean I'm still not annoyed about what you did previously. 

 

If you want help, please cool off before you respond and don't write  things, in the heat of frustration and annoyance, that you decide to not act on shortly after.  If you are angry or frustrated, waiting for a time before responding will help you control such negative behavior that really puts those who are trying to help you off.

 

Gene

-=-----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

               

 

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I do agree that we all should try different things before we give up. That goes for anything in life—not just technology. I remember one time trying to learn how to knit socks but after a while, I discovered it was hard for me and I really put forth the effort to do it. The main thing is that I have the mail app working like I want it to now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

The other thing I wanted you and others to learn is trying out various routes before giving up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

The main thing I learned is patience. I’ve been on technical lists where I felt my questions weren’t being answered even though I tried to the best of my ability to explain what was going on. I’m not quite the technical person some of you on here are so it’s not always easy to explain things. I guess I’ll just go to the add-ons site and look for myself from now on. That’s all I have to say.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

So what did you learn from this situation? I hope you learned at least three things today.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just installed the new add-on and now the mail app is working like a charm. Sorry for all the frustration.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Gene
 

Even calling this an explosion shows the harm that taking any virtue to an extreme causes.  Patience is often a virtue.  If it is taken to an extreme, it's a vice just as anything is when taken to an extreme. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
> Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the frustration
>
> you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a
> reliable system.
> Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their changes
> cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately  screwing
> things up here, just that they  really do not test stuff enough. For people
>
> who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not
> think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do get
> fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by
> software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
>  So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
> annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and keep
> encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making  it is,
>
> I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
>  I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had to
>
> try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
> embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual changes
> in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or she
> happens to be blind.
>
> I'll shut up now and  be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly bought
>
> a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues decided
>
> not to bother.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason
>
> why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...
>
>
>> Dear NVDA community,
>>
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but I
>> do
>> sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts
>> community
>> experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness
>> my
>> explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that
>>
>> I
>> talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
>> directive for Windows 10 users:
>>
>>
>>
>> In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists
>> that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is
>> willing
>> to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
>> problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become
>>
>> a
>> volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
>> Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
>> apologies
>> to our dear leaders for doing something like this):
>>
>>
>>
>> Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I
>> and
>> other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the
>> burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given
>> problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you
>> questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10
>> App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have
>> experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:
>>
>>
>>
>> Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
>> add-on
>> if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
>> starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you
>> report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer ask
>> you
>> to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For
>> Windows
>> Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor
>> to
>> increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
>> exists for important reasons:
>>
>>
>>
>> * Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
>> 10, including various UI Automation issues.
>> * Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
>> workarounds put in place in past versions.
>> * Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
>> of at least three universal app executables).
>> * Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
>> suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
>> Edge
>> notification announcements and others.
>> * To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
>> accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
>> letting
>> screen reader users use apps to their full potential.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

Gene
 

FN keys are used on laptops.  Also, if alt f4 works everywhere else, if it doesn't work there, it isn't an fn key problem.  the fn key problem in laptops is caused by how some manufacturers set the fn key to work but that doesn't apply here.
 
I have no idea why alt f4 didn't work.  You can try the other suggestion given by another list member.  You can also try using the command alt space bar and, once in the menu with such commands as minimize, maximize, etc. you will find a close command.  Often, that close command works if alt f4 doesn't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

Hmm. Didn’t think of that. Does this work on a desktop or just a laptop? I have a desktop.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

Try alt+FN+F4. Your F4 key might be getting intercepted as a hardware key and not a software key. I've had that happen on occasions with certain systems.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

I tried alt F-4 but it didn't work. I'll give it another try. Maybe I didn't close it correctly.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you close the microsoft edge browser?

 

I've just played with it a bit, but was always able to close it with alt f4 just like any other program.

Roger








On 6/18/2017 6:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I decided to play with edge a little bit but I had trouble closing the browser. I had to go to the desktop and then shut down. There has to be a way to close it like you do other browsers.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: looks like the new add-on worked

Gene
 

I can't speak for Joseph but when I read the exchange, you asking about where to get the add on isn't the issue at all.  the issue is that you said you weren't going to use the e-mail app until it was straightened out when Joseph was explaining that the e-mail app works properly with the Windows 10 app and was giving you explicit instructions to see if the problem is caused by not using the app or by using an old version. 
 
Then, when you cooled off, you decided to try what Joseph suggested, but the frustration caused by your previous messages has already been caused and it doesn't just disappear right away.  I've seen you do this before with other people who have been trying to help with other problems.  If you do this, I can't speak for Joseph but my reaction to such behavior is, fine, if you don't want my help, I'll stop trying.  then when you decide to try to solve the problem after all, I'll probably decide to help again but that doesn't mean I'm still not annoyed about what you did previously. 
 
If you want help, please cool off before you respond and don't write  things, in the heat of frustration and annoyance, that you decide to not act on shortly after.  If you are angry or frustrated, waiting for a time before responding will help you control such negative behavior that really puts those who are trying to help you off.
 
Gene
-=-----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

               

 

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I do agree that we all should try different things before we give up. That goes for anything in life—not just technology. I remember one time trying to learn how to knit socks but after a while, I discovered it was hard for me and I really put forth the effort to do it. The main thing is that I have the mail app working like I want it to now.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

The other thing I wanted you and others to learn is trying out various routes before giving up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

The main thing I learned is patience. I’ve been on technical lists where I felt my questions weren’t being answered even though I tried to the best of my ability to explain what was going on. I’m not quite the technical person some of you on here are so it’s not always easy to explain things. I guess I’ll just go to the add-ons site and look for myself from now on. That’s all I have to say.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi Rosemarie,

So what did you learn from this situation? I hope you learned at least three things today.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looks like the new add-on worked

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just installed the new add-on and now the mail app is working like a charm. Sorry for all the frustration.

 

Rosemarie

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the frustration

you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a
reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their changes
cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately screwing
things up here, just that they really do not test stuff enough. For people

who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not
think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do get
fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by
software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and keep
encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making it is,

I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had to

try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual changes
in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or she
happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly bought

a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues decided

not to bother.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason

why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but I
do
sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts
community
experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness
my
explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that

I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists
that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is
willing
to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become

a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
apologies
to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I
and
other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the
burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given
problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you
questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10
App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have
experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
add-on
if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you
report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer ask
you
to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For
Windows
Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor
to
increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
Edge
notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
letting
screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Brian's Mail list account
 

Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the frustration you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their changes cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately screwing things up here, just that they really do not test stuff enough. For people who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do get fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and keep encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making it is, I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had to try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual changes in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or she happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly bought a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues decided not to bother.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but I do
sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts community
experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness my
explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists
that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is willing
to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my apologies
to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I and
other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the
burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given
problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you
questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10
App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have
experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials add-on
if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you
report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer ask you
to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For Windows
Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor to
increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update), Edge
notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including letting
screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

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