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Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

If I understand correctly, this came about when I said that I’ll assume folks are using the add-on, and I made it clear why this add-on is necessary. But due to strong community reactions, I’ll take back the directive.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

As I recall, the statement was made that by a certain time, when someone asks a bout a problem, Joseph Lee will assume that the add on is being used.  I don't know what that means.  Perhaps before assuming what is meant in an e-mail, a medium notorious for creating misunderstandings, it would have been better to ask what was meant. 

 

If it had been worded differently for example, by whatever date, I will only help with problems if the person confirms that they are running the Windows 10 add on, perhaps you wouldn't have been angry with that statement.  Clearly, the add on is essential for Windows 10 users to use and keep current.  In this case, though the item is an add on, it incorporates functionality that takes too long to put into the main program to keep the main program current.  Elements of the add on are incorporated into NVDA over time.  If Joseph meant that he wouldn't help people by a certain date unless they are using the add on, that is a perfectly reasonable statement. 

 

Maybe you should take some of your anger and direct it to Microsoft, which is constantly changing universal apps and, according to what Joseph said on another list, tests them for accessibility with Narrator.  That is completely inadequate accessibility testing. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

Hi,

 

Ok, I was running safe mode wrong.

It’s – hold down the control key and launch outlook.

So, the errors don’t happen in safe mode.

 

Good work helping to troubleshoot this.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am coming late to this discussion but do the errors occur when you run outlook in safe mode?

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

They have all had the same errors, this has been happening to me for ever.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Okay, is this the case with NVDA 2016.4, 2017.1 and 2017.2? If one of those had no errors, chances are that it might be something introduced recently, but if all three have errors, then looks like a call to Microsoft might be in order.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I downloaded the nvda_snapshot_try-noGetPixel-14093,ad84027c and it seemed to help at first though with errors.  However, the sluggish behavior in messages has persisted along with the error messages mostly whenever I launch and close Outlook.

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Do you know the build that was faster than before and when it came out?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am having the exact same issues.  At first with one of the newer Next builds, it was faster when navigating messages, but this is no longer the case, and the errors persist.  I actually have to copy a message into Notepad if I want to read it if it is more than a couple of paragraphs.  I don’t get it.


Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have tried all versions including the next and master versions and keep getting errors in outlook 2016.


Please see my log below. Any ideas to resolve? I have done all I can.

 

INFO - __main__ (12:57:18.793):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.717):

Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:57:19.717):

Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

NVDA version master-14109,35dc6213

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:57:20.951):

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:57:22.025):

Loaded synthDriver espeak

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.025):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - braille.initialize (12:57:22.025):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:57:22.025):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:57:22.039):

Braille input initialized

WARNING - core.main (12:57:22.078):

Java Access Bridge not available

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:57:22.078):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.536):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 11220 (nvda_slave.exe) (12:58:15.046):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:00:41.851):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04D11EF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 10772) at address 4c76250>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2157'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 67310

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10776

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x62c1700 at 4df4120>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=67310, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

Thank you,

Sam

 


Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Sam Bushman
 

Hi Joseph,

 

I for one am thankful for all you do my friend.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

Perhaps overreaction from my part may have led to this… What was meant to be a way to ease support may have led to unintended consequences. I throw my hands in the air: given some strong community reactions, I’ll take back the add-on directive, as well as extending self-imposed moderation on my post until end of June (i.e. I won’t say anything on this list for a while).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.


Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

Perhaps overreaction from my part may have led to this… What was meant to be a way to ease support may have led to unintended consequences. I throw my hands in the air: given some strong community reactions, I’ll take back the add-on directive, as well as extending self-imposed moderation on my post until end of June (i.e. I won’t say anything on this list for a while).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Gene
 

As I recall, the statement was made that by a certain time, when someone asks a bout a problem, Joseph Lee will assume that the add on is being used.  I don't know what that means.  Perhaps before assuming what is meant in an e-mail, a medium notorious for creating misunderstandings, it would have been better to ask what was meant. 
 
If it had been worded differently for example, by whatever date, I will only help with problems if the person confirms that they are running the Windows 10 add on, perhaps you wouldn't have been angry with that statement.  Clearly, the add on is essential for Windows 10 users to use and keep current.  In this case, though the item is an add on, it incorporates functionality that takes too long to put into the main program to keep the main program current.  Elements of the add on are incorporated into NVDA over time.  If Joseph meant that he wouldn't help people by a certain date unless they are using the add on, that is a perfectly reasonable statement. 
 
Maybe you should take some of your anger and direct it to Microsoft, which is constantly changing universal apps and, according to what Joseph said on another list, tests them for accessibility with Narrator.  That is completely inadequate accessibility testing. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

I am on the latest v of win10 and on the latest v of outlook 2016.

In other words I applied all windows updates.

That did not resolve the issue.

The errors don’t happen in other screen readers.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I use Outlook 2016 regularly at home and have not had these issues.

 

Are you on the latest version of windows 10? I do not think so. Can you upgrade?

Pranav


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

When I run windows update I get this message:

 

Update status

Your device is up to date. Last checked: Today, ‏‎12:31 PM

 

Do you mean I should update outlook?

 

I will try that as well.

 

Thank you,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I use Outlook 2016 regularly at home and have not had these issues.

 

Are you on the latest version of windows 10? I do not think so. Can you upgrade?

Pranav


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

Great idea, I tried to test.

So, if I hold down the shift key and launch outlook I don’t get the safe mode option that use to come up. How can I launch outlook in safe mode?

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am coming late to this discussion but do the errors occur when you run outlook in safe mode?

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

They have all had the same errors, this has been happening to me for ever.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Okay, is this the case with NVDA 2016.4, 2017.1 and 2017.2? If one of those had no errors, chances are that it might be something introduced recently, but if all three have errors, then looks like a call to Microsoft might be in order.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I downloaded the nvda_snapshot_try-noGetPixel-14093,ad84027c and it seemed to help at first though with errors.  However, the sluggish behavior in messages has persisted along with the error messages mostly whenever I launch and close Outlook.

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Do you know the build that was faster than before and when it came out?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am having the exact same issues.  At first with one of the newer Next builds, it was faster when navigating messages, but this is no longer the case, and the errors persist.  I actually have to copy a message into Notepad if I want to read it if it is more than a couple of paragraphs.  I don’t get it.


Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have tried all versions including the next and master versions and keep getting errors in outlook 2016.


Please see my log below. Any ideas to resolve? I have done all I can.

 

INFO - __main__ (12:57:18.793):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.717):

Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:57:19.717):

Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

NVDA version master-14109,35dc6213

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:57:20.951):

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:57:22.025):

Loaded synthDriver espeak

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.025):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - braille.initialize (12:57:22.025):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:57:22.025):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:57:22.039):

Braille input initialized

WARNING - core.main (12:57:22.078):

Java Access Bridge not available

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:57:22.078):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.536):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 11220 (nvda_slave.exe) (12:58:15.046):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:00:41.851):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04D11EF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 10772) at address 4c76250>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2157'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 67310

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10776

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x62c1700 at 4df4120>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=67310, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

Thank you,

Sam

 


Re: Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #addonrelease

Sam Bushman
 

A Universal Windows app is a software application written in the Windows 8 or Windows 10 codebase that can run not just on a Windows PC, but also on a Windows tablet, smartphone, smartwatch or XBox as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease

Google it

On 6/19/17, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a universal app?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Moore
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease



Hi Joseph and all!

This add on is very exciting for universal apps. I am using this add
on to use the Facebook and Twitter apps much better. Also, this add on
is helping me use Groove app much better. There is a lot of future in
this add on. I will post all of my findings of what I can do with this
add on that I could not do before!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows
10



From: Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease



Dear NVDA community:



Virtual Review 2.1 is ready for download. This add-on lets you review
screen content on a browse mode window when you press Control+NVDA+W.



Virtual Review 2.1 is specifically designed for Windows 8.x and 10
users, mostly benefits Windows 10 users. In particular, you can now
(are you ready for this?) review screen contents of universal apps via
virtual review window. This version also lets you see the title of the
window you are virtually reviewing.



The add-on page is at:

<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html>
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html



Cheers,

Joseph






Re: NVDA and IE11 problems

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


you could always try the following.


when you are in internet exploder and you are focused in it try the nvda key + letter V.

it should say if screen layout is either on or off. I usually have mine to off, this is a toggle and is spoken.
This also puts text and links on the same line.

the second question use the nvda key + space bar, it should toggle it between browse mode where you can use single letter navigation keys and focus mode where you can type.

Best bet  is to find the edit areas is to use the letter E and this should take you from where ever you are to a edit area. I usually do this from the top of a page. the other letter I use at times is the letter F and when i land on those areas if i do not hear it spoken as in focus mode i then use the nvda key + space bar to do it.

If you want to hear NVDA say browse mode and focus mode take a look under the browse mode setting in nvda and uncheck the box that says Audio indication of focus and browse modes then tab to the ok button then give it a whirl in the browser. if happy with how it plays then you can save your configuration.

Gene nz
 

On 6/20/2017 1:37 PM, Don H wrote:
Running latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. When I use IE 11 often times I have two issues.  First is not being able to open a link.  When on a link I hit enter and get nothing.
Second I will move to a edit box and can not get NVDA in the right mode to enter text.  Tried resetting IE and did not help.  Seems to happen on a random basis on random pages.
Any help would be appreciated.
 en




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA and IE11 problems

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


you could always try the following.


when you are in internet exploder and you are focused in it try the nvda key + letter V.

it should say if screen layout is either on or off. I usually have mine to off, this is a toggle and is spoken.
This also puts text and links on the same line.

the second question use the nvda key + space bar, it should toggle it between browse mode where you can use single letter navigation keys and focus mode where you can type.

Best bet  is to find the edit areas is to use the letter E and this should take you from where ever you are to a edit area. I usually do this from the top of a page. the other letter I use at times is the letter F and when i land on those areas if i do not hear it spoken as in focus mode i then use the nvda key + space bar to do it.

If you want to hear NVDA say browse mode and focus mode take a look under the browse mode setting in nvda and uncheck the box that says Audio indication of focus and browse modes then tab to the ok button then give it a whirl in the browser. if happy with how it plays then you can save your configuration.

Gene nz
 

On 6/20/2017 1:37 PM, Don H wrote:
Running latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. When I use IE 11 often times I have two issues.  First is not being able to open a link.  When on a link I hit enter and get nothing.
Second I will move to a edit box and can not get NVDA in the right mode to enter text.  Tried resetting IE and did not help.  Seems to happen on a random basis on random pages.
Any help would be appreciated.
 en




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.


NVDA and IE11 problems

Don H
 

Running latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. When I use IE 11 often times I have two issues. First is not being able to open a link. When on a link I hit enter and get nothing.
Second I will move to a edit box and can not get NVDA in the right mode to enter text. Tried resetting IE and did not help. Seems to happen on a random basis on random pages.
Any help would be appreciated.
en


Re: dictation bridge?

 

can I get a link to the latest beta afain?

tthanks Hank

On 6/19/2017 5:40 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Ken,

 

DictationBridge will be out soon. There are a few things we are fixing. Have you tried the beta?

 

Pranav



Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Sam,

 

I use Outlook 2016 regularly at home and have not had these issues.

 

Are you on the latest version of windows 10? I do not think so. Can you upgrade?

Pranav


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Sam,

 

I am coming late to this discussion but do the errors occur when you run outlook in safe mode?

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

They have all had the same errors, this has been happening to me for ever.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Okay, is this the case with NVDA 2016.4, 2017.1 and 2017.2? If one of those had no errors, chances are that it might be something introduced recently, but if all three have errors, then looks like a call to Microsoft might be in order.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I downloaded the nvda_snapshot_try-noGetPixel-14093,ad84027c and it seemed to help at first though with errors.  However, the sluggish behavior in messages has persisted along with the error messages mostly whenever I launch and close Outlook.

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Do you know the build that was faster than before and when it came out?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am having the exact same issues.  At first with one of the newer Next builds, it was faster when navigating messages, but this is no longer the case, and the errors persist.  I actually have to copy a message into Notepad if I want to read it if it is more than a couple of paragraphs.  I don’t get it.


Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have tried all versions including the next and master versions and keep getting errors in outlook 2016.


Please see my log below. Any ideas to resolve? I have done all I can.

 

INFO - __main__ (12:57:18.793):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.717):

Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:57:19.717):

Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

NVDA version master-14109,35dc6213

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:57:20.951):

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:57:22.025):

Loaded synthDriver espeak

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.025):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - braille.initialize (12:57:22.025):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:57:22.025):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:57:22.039):

Braille input initialized

WARNING - core.main (12:57:22.078):

Java Access Bridge not available

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:57:22.078):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.536):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 11220 (nvda_slave.exe) (12:58:15.046):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:00:41.851):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04D11EF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 10772) at address 4c76250>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2157'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 67310

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10776

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x62c1700 at 4df4120>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=67310, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

Thank you,

Sam

 


Re: dictation bridge?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Ken,

 

DictationBridge will be out soon. There are a few things we are fixing. Have you tried the beta?

 

Pranav


Re: Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #addonrelease

Andre Fisher
 

Google it

On 6/19/17, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a universal app?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease



Hi Joseph and all!

This add on is very exciting for universal apps. I am using this add on to
use the Facebook and Twitter apps much better. Also, this add on is helping
me use Groove app much better. There is a lot of future in this add on. I
will post all of my findings of what I can do with this add on that I could
not do before!

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10



From: Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease



Dear NVDA community:



Virtual Review 2.1 is ready for download. This add-on lets you review screen
content on a browse mode window when you press Control+NVDA+W.



Virtual Review 2.1 is specifically designed for Windows 8.x and 10 users,
mostly benefits Windows 10 users. In particular, you can now (are you ready
for this?) review screen contents of universal apps via virtual review
window. This version also lets you see the title of the window you are
virtually reviewing.



The add-on page is at:

<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html>
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html



Cheers,

Joseph






Re: A question about non destructive errors

Sam Bushman
 

If someone could please add this issue – it gets the error when you launch outlook. Joseph is caught up on this issue as well.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors

 

We've got a few issues for Outlook: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20outlook%202016

 

I'll have a look through and see if I can find anything similar, but feel free to also look and / or add a new issue in the meantime.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I am in ms office outlook 2016.

I get a two tone error when this happens.

Can’t ready the emails either.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:28 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors

 

What were you doing when you pressed down arrow (It looks like pressing down arrow has triggered it)?

 

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I get the following errors:

 

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (13:30:32.572):

error executing script: <bound method MSHTML.script_moveByLine_forward of <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x04EA1270>> with gesture u'down arrow'

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 187, in executeScript

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 209, in script_moveByLine_forward

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 139, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1150, in _set_selection

  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1165, in _shouldSetFocusToObj

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 925, in _get_isFocusable

  File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 207, in __call__

  File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 664, in _invoke

COMError: (-2147352319, None, (None, None, None, 0, None))

ERROR - RPC process 4468 (nvda_slave.exe) (13:44:26.766):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (13:45:32.332):

error executing script: <bound method MSHTML.script_moveByLine_forward of <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0507CF50>> with gesture u'down arrow'

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 187, in executeScript

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 209, in script_moveByLine_forward

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 139, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1150, in _set_selection

  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1165, in _shouldSetFocusToObj

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 925, in _get_isFocusable

  File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 207, in __call__

  File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 664, in _invoke

COMError: (-2147352319, None, (None, None, None, 0, None))

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (14:02:51.563):

error executing script: <bound method MSHTML.script_moveByLine_forward of <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0513E7F0>> with gesture u'down arrow'

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 187, in executeScript

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 209, in script_moveByLine_forward

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 139, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1150, in _set_selection

  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1165, in _shouldSetFocusToObj

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 925, in _get_isFocusable

  File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 207, in __call__

  File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 664, in _invoke

 

 

Any Way I can help resolve?

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors

 

Oh it's definitely worth raising any situations that cause an error.  Errors which also have a negative effect for the end-user will be given a higher priority to fix obviously, especially since error tones aren't generated for the stable releases.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

Hmm, I'm sure they know about this error condition, but I'm always a little sceptical  when I see errors that in the end it might be a problem that could cause issues if you don't trap it somehow.



Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors

 

Hi Brian,

Without being specifically familiar with this particular code, a couple of
points off the top of my head:

- Often different programs (and sometimes even the same program) will have
controls which may look and behaves exactly the same to the end user, but
underneath they work differently.  This can be why some controls throw up
errors when others do not.
- Partly for the same reason, if we try and find out information a certain
way and it fails, there may be another (backup, if you like) way that we
can try which may get the same information.  In that case, the control may
throw up an error, but appear to work as normal.
- My lack of familiarity with the code will show here, but the error about
CoInitialize not being called is likely because it would be usual to
initialize that prior to making a certain request.  For whatever reason
that wasn't done, which may in some situations mean that the value returned
by that request may be unexpected.  Whether that's a problem or not I'd
need Mick or Jamie to answer, but all that might give you a bit of an idea
to start with.  Again, that's all just general off the top of my head and
without being specifically familiar with the code.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@...> wrote:

As quite a lot of us do use snapshot builds we do hear errors from time to
time. one of the most annoying ones I see in windows 7 is when some of the
search fields are used. There can be multiple errors as one types in and
even when the edit area is opened, yet to all  intents and purposes it
seems like the control itself has worked.
Here is a log to demonstrate what I mean.

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:18:51.645):
Input: kb(desktop):shift+tab
IO - speech.speak (14:18:51.730):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Search Box  edit   Search Windows
(C:)']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
(14:18:51.732):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
(14:18:51.733):
rootElement: edit
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.733):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
 File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigat
or\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
 File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\
globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 427, in event_gainFocus
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
 File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 907, in event_gainFocus
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 819, in reportFocus
 File "speech.pyc", line 367, in speakObject
 File "speech.pyc", line 689, in speakTextInfo
 File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 584, in getTextWithFields
 File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 444, in
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.740):
error executing event: caret on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 940, in event_caret
 File "review.pyc", line 167, in handleCaretMove
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 973, in makeTextInfo
 File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 244, in __init__
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.752):
error executing event: caret on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
 File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 940, in event_caret
 File "review.pyc", line 167, in handleCaretMove
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 973, in makeTextInfo
 File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 244, in __init__
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))


This is in the master branch and has been around for quite some time now
but of course one does not hear it on the final builds.
Also quit why it refers to two add-ons which would seem to have nothing to
do with it is a mystery as well.
Just wondered why this c_inisialise or whatever is not called and why it
seems that some edit areas work while others do not.

Brian

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Re: Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #addonrelease

Sam Bushman
 

What is a universal app?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph and all!

This add on is very exciting for universal apps. I am using this add on to use the Facebook and Twitter apps much better. Also, this add on is helping me use Groove app much better. There is a lot of future in this add on. I will post all of my findings of what I can do with this add on that I could not do before!

David Moore

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introducing Virtual Review 2.1 #AddonRelease

 

Dear NVDA community:

 

Virtual Review 2.1 is ready for download. This add-on lets you review screen content on a browse mode window when you press Control+NVDA+W.

 

Virtual Review 2.1 is specifically designed for Windows 8.x and 10 users, mostly benefits Windows 10 users. In particular, you can now (are you ready for this?) review screen contents of universal apps via virtual review window. This version also lets you see the title of the window you are virtually reviewing.

 

The add-on page is at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

 

Cheers,

Joseph