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Re: libreoffice 5.4 calc and using it with nvda

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi,

All the issues are still there (including the crashes that were introduced in version 5.3).




Em 19/06/2017 02:18, nasrin khaksar escreveu:

hi walmir and also nvda users and developers.

i reported bug 108474 and one of developers told me that problem using
calc is solved in 5.4 branch of libreoffice.
could you please test this version and give me the result to report to
the developers?
i read in the list that calc 5.2 and later dont work well using nvda
and have problems.
i also tried calc 5.2 and 5.3 and realized the problem and reported it
to the libreoffice group.
thanks so much and God bless you.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/?version=5.4.0


Re: text only weather resource page and NVDA

 

If you use the link below it will take you to the Atlanta braille link. Just type in your zip and you should be good to go.

https://braille.wunderground.com/auto/braille/GA/Atlanta.html

 

 


Casey Mathews
http://linkedin.com/in/caseymathews

 

From: Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] text only weather resource page and NVDA

 

This evening I tried to go to braille.wunderground.com which had been a good text-only weather resource.
The link took me to a different page at weather underground, though, and that page was not very user-friendly for me. (I'm using firefox v54 and NVDA v17.1.)

I'm wondering if any of you know if the braille.wunderground page is gone forever and if you have another page to recommend?

Thanks,
Laurie M.

 


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

yes. just cause some people cant take directives you should not put
your self on moderation.

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He did it behind that wall over there so you did not see it..:-)
Sorry I'm not here, honestly.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a
reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the
frustration

you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a
reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their
changes
cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately
screwing
things up here, just that they really do not test stuff enough. For
people

who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not
think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do
get
fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by
software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and
keep
encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making it

is,

I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had

to

try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual
changes
in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or
she
happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly
bought

a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues
decided

not to bother.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a
reason

why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but
I
do
sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts
community
experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you
witness
my
explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important
that

I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing
lists
that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is
willing
to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I
become

a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
apologies
to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I
and
other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of
the
burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the
given
problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask
you
questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows
10
App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others
have
experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
add-on
if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when
you
report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer
ask
you
to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For
Windows
Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it,
nor
to
increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
Edge
notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
letting
screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: A question about non destructive errors

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Be interesting to know exactly what was expected, and of that stuff.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors


What were you doing when you pressed down arrow (It looks like pressing
down arrow has triggered it)?

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@gmail.com>
wrote:

I get the following errors:



ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (13:30:32.572):

error executing script: <bound method MSHTML.script_moveByLine_forward of
<virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x04EA1270>> with gesture u'down
arrow'

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 187, in executeScript

File "cursorManager.pyc", line 209, in script_moveByLine_forward

File "cursorManager.pyc", line 139, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

File "browseMode.pyc", line 1150, in _set_selection

File "browseMode.pyc", line 1165, in _shouldSetFocusToObj

File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 925, in _get_isFocusable

File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 207, in __call__

File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 664, in _invoke

COMError: (-2147352319 <(214)%20735-2319>, None, (None, None, None, 0,
None))

ERROR - RPC process 4468 (nvda_slave.exe) (13:44:26.766):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021 <(214)%20722-1021>] Operation unavailable

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (13:45:32.332):

error executing script: <bound method MSHTML.script_moveByLine_forward of
<virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0507CF50>> with gesture u'down
arrow'

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 187, in executeScript

File "cursorManager.pyc", line 209, in script_moveByLine_forward

File "cursorManager.pyc", line 139, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

File "browseMode.pyc", line 1150, in _set_selection

File "browseMode.pyc", line 1165, in _shouldSetFocusToObj

File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 925, in _get_isFocusable

File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 207, in __call__

File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 664, in _invoke

COMError: (-2147352319 <(214)%20735-2319>, None, (None, None, None, 0,
None))

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (14:02:51.563):

error executing script: <bound method MSHTML.script_moveByLine_forward of
<virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML object at 0x0513E7F0>> with gesture u'down
arrow'

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 187, in executeScript

File "cursorManager.pyc", line 209, in script_moveByLine_forward

File "cursorManager.pyc", line 139, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

File "browseMode.pyc", line 1150, in _set_selection

File "browseMode.pyc", line 1165, in _shouldSetFocusToObj

File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyc", line 925, in _get_isFocusable

File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 207, in __call__

File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 664, in _invoke





Any Way I can help resolve?



Thanks,

Sam



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 5:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors



Oh it's definitely worth raising any situations that cause an error.
Errors which also have a negative effect for the end-user will be given a
higher priority to fix obviously, especially since error tones aren't
generated for the stable releases.



Regards


Quentin.



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bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Hmm, I'm sure they know about this error condition, but I'm always a
little sceptical when I see errors that in the end it might be a problem
that could cause issues if you don't trap it somehow.



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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors



Hi Brian,

Without being specifically familiar with this particular code, a couple of
points off the top of my head:

- Often different programs (and sometimes even the same program) will have
controls which may look and behaves exactly the same to the end user, but
underneath they work differently. This can be why some controls throw up
errors when others do not.
- Partly for the same reason, if we try and find out information a certain
way and it fails, there may be another (backup, if you like) way that we
can try which may get the same information. In that case, the control may
throw up an error, but appear to work as normal.
- My lack of familiarity with the code will show here, but the error about
CoInitialize not being called is likely because it would be usual to
initialize that prior to making a certain request. For whatever reason
that wasn't done, which may in some situations mean that the value returned
by that request may be unexpected. Whether that's a problem or not I'd
need Mick or Jamie to answer, but all that might give you a bit of an idea
to start with. Again, that's all just general off the top of my head and
without being specifically familiar with the code.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

As quite a lot of us do use snapshot builds we do hear errors from time to
time. one of the most annoying ones I see in windows 7 is when some of the
search fields are used. There can be multiple errors as one types in and
even when the edit area is opened, yet to all intents and purposes it
seems like the control itself has worked.
Here is a log to demonstrate what I mean.

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:18:51.645):
Input: kb(desktop):shift+tab
IO - speech.speak (14:18:51.730):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Search Box edit Search Windows
(C:)']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
(14:18:51.732):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
(14:18:51.733):
rootElement: edit
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.733):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigat
or\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\
globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 427, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 907, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 819, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 367, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 689, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 584, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 444, in
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.740):
error executing event: caret on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 940, in event_caret
File "review.pyc", line 167, in handleCaretMove
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 973, in makeTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 244, in __init__
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.752):
error executing event: caret on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 940, in event_caret
File "review.pyc", line 167, in handleCaretMove
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 973, in makeTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 244, in __init__
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))


This is in the master branch and has been around for quite some time now
but of course one does not hear it on the final builds.
Also quit why it refers to two add-ons which would seem to have nothing to
do with it is a mystery as well.
Just wondered why this c_inisialise or whatever is not called and why it
seems that some edit areas work while others do not.

Brian

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Re: A question about non destructive errors

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I did try to see if it was a known about error a couple of days ago on github, but this has to be the most unfriendly site in history as I lost myself and in the end had no idea what was going on. I strongly suspect this is what a web site written by software engineers looks like. grin.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors


Oh it's definitely worth raising any situations that cause an error.
Errors which also have a negative effect for the end-user will be given a
higher priority to fix obviously, especially since error tones aren't
generated for the stable releases.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Hmm, I'm sure they know about this error condition, but I'm always a
little sceptical when I see errors that in the end it might be a problem
that could cause issues if you don't trap it somehow.



Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <
quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A question about non destructive errors



Hi Brian,

Without being specifically familiar with this particular code, a couple of
points off the top of my head:

- Often different programs (and sometimes even the same program) will have
controls which may look and behaves exactly the same to the end user, but
underneath they work differently. This can be why some controls throw up
errors when others do not.
- Partly for the same reason, if we try and find out information a certain
way and it fails, there may be another (backup, if you like) way that we
can try which may get the same information. In that case, the control may
throw up an error, but appear to work as normal.
- My lack of familiarity with the code will show here, but the error about
CoInitialize not being called is likely because it would be usual to
initialize that prior to making a certain request. For whatever reason
that wasn't done, which may in some situations mean that the value
returned
by that request may be unexpected. Whether that's a problem or not I'd
need Mick or Jamie to answer, but all that might give you a bit of an idea
to start with. Again, that's all just general off the top of my head and
without being specifically familiar with the code.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

As quite a lot of us do use snapshot builds we do hear errors from time to
time. one of the most annoying ones I see in windows 7 is when some of
the
search fields are used. There can be multiple errors as one types in and
even when the edit area is opened, yet to all intents and purposes it
seems like the control itself has worked.
Here is a log to demonstrate what I mean.

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:18:51.645):
Input: kb(desktop):shift+tab
IO - speech.speak (14:18:51.730):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Search Box edit Search
Windows
(C:)']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
(14:18:51.732):
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIATextInfo._getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
(14:18:51.733):
rootElement: edit
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.733):
error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args
of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigat
or\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight\
globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 427, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 907, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 819, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 367, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 689, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 584, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 444, in
_getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None,
None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.740):
error executing event: caret on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args
of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 940, in event_caret
File "review.pyc", line 167, in handleCaretMove
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 973, in makeTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 244, in __init__
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None,
None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:18:51.752):
error executing event: caret on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableT
extWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x05C24D90> with extra args
of
{}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 940, in event_caret
File "review.pyc", line 167, in handleCaretMove
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 973, in makeTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 244, in __init__
COMError: (-2147221008, 'CoInitialize has not been called.', (None,
None,
None, 0, None))


This is in the master branch and has been around for quite some time now
but of course one does not hear it on the final builds.
Also quit why it refers to two add-ons which would seem to have nothing
to
do with it is a mystery as well.
Just wondered why this c_inisialise or whatever is not called and why it
seems that some edit areas work while others do not.

Brian

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Re: virtual review addon

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I'd suggest this would be a very slow process to do, and not very relevant if the state of the controls is changed at some times.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] virtual review addon


hi could you take virtual review one step farther? could you combine it with the OCR addon to put OCR stuff in the virtual buffer, especially if you OCR a pdf? and if possible announce that objects are clickable by hitting enter?

thanks


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Re: Clarification: last night's remarks, teaching style

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Well Joseph, I put a post up detailing why I thought to some extent you were being a little too hard on folk. I see many people who have no interest in the tech stuff, they just want things to work. And I feel that is reasonable. having said that of course posting to a forum or list does at least tell me that they are willing to go at least part of the way to finding a solution, but it can be a very hard road if you have tried things that you consider obvious, and they don't work only to find out that a certain mega corp. has done the deed and this means changing either way you work or installing yet more software to fix it
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Clarification: last night's remarks, teaching style


Dear NVDA community:



I have received several remarks offlist regarding my comment to Rosemarie
last night in regards to asking her what she has learned through the Mail
app problem. I'll take full responsibility of my remarks and tone, as a
practical step, I'll refrain from posting to this list for the rest of the
week (and if I have offended folks, my sincere apologies).



As for teaching style I tend to employ: perhaps my remark from last night
came as a result of my approach to teaching, which calls for students to
have willingness to think, or at least, learn to think critically by asking
tough questions, have willingness to fail in hopes of learning important
lessons, and learn from mistakes. Perhaps this came as a result of my
communication studies and argumentation training, being a member of the
competitive speech and debate squad, things I've observed on various forums
where people just believe whatever leaders say, or something else. My
overall intention for asking Rosemarie to tell me what she has learned was
to get her to think critically about what she has gone through, not just get
a problem fixed. If I say I'm satisfied with the resolution of a problem,
then this means no future preparations and applications through careful
thinking. I personally believe in a community where not only people offer
solutions, but also a venue where members can think critically, and I do
know from a decade's worth of experience on various forums that I'm thinking
of an ideal community. One thing I personally would like to see is folks
teaching novices not only the beauty of NVDA through solutions, but also
fostering a sense of taking ownership of a product and thinking about it; in
other words, I think it would be best to prepare willing novices for a time
in the future where novices themselves would become power users and teach
folks not only NVDA, but also to think carefully. Also, personally, I do not
want our NVDA community to just be called "a community of users and
developers of NVDA" - one thing that sets our community apart from others is
unity, and I think it would be beneficial in the long run to add another
title: thinking individuals.



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA and IE11 problems

 

hi.
also you can turn off use screen layout when supported forever in brows mode.
God bless you.

On 6/20/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


you could always try the following.


when you are in internet exploder and you are focused in it try the nvda key
+ letter V.

it should say if screen layout is either on or off. I usually have mine to
off, this is a toggle and is spoken.
This also puts text and links on the same line.

the second question use the nvda key + space bar, it should toggle it
between browse mode where you can use single letter navigation keys and
focus mode where you can type.

Best bet is to find the edit areas is to use the letter E and this should
take you from where ever you are to a edit area. I usually do this from the
top of a page. the other letter I use at times is the letter F and when i
land on those areas if i do not hear it spoken as in focus mode i then use
the nvda key + space bar to do it.

If you want to hear NVDA say browse mode and focus mode take a look under
the browse mode setting in nvda and uncheck the box that says Audio
indication of focus and browse modes then tab to the ok button then give it
a whirl in the browser. if happy with how it plays then you can save your
configuration.

Gene nz


On 6/20/2017 1:37 PM, Don H wrote:
Running latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. When I
use IE 11 often times I have two issues. First is not being able to open a
link. When on a link I hit enter and get nothing.
Second I will move to a edit box and can not get NVDA in the right mode to
enter text. Tried resetting IE and did not help. Seems to happen on a
random basis on random pages.
Any help would be appreciated.
en




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Re: OCR a Graphic

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But don't expect miracles, it very much depends on the quality of the image and the font, how often it changes etc.
I guess a pro OCR will be better, but I have to say OCR still seems an imprecise art.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR a Graphic


Hi,


Hopefully, this link helps.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html


Cheers,
Dejan
On 6/19/2017 5:40 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is there a way to OCR a graphic on a webpage that contains text with NVDA?





Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

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He did it behind that wall over there so you did not see it..:-)
Sorry I'm not here, honestly.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


oh! when you said explode i thought it would sound much worced but.
its a nice directive

On 6/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Joseph, though I do understand where you are coming from and the frustration

you feel, I do honestly have sympathy with the end user who just wants a
reliable system.
Microsoft have to shoulder a good deal of the blame for what their changes
cause. I'm not suggesting in any way that they are deliberately screwing
things up here, just that they really do not test stuff enough. For people

who do not use special builds of windows, ie insiders, or nvda. I do not
think it unreasonable to expect continuity and after a while people do get
fed up with having the rug pulled from under them on a regular basis by
software makers, be that Microsoft or anyone else.
So yes, in a development environment you would be justified in being
annoyed, but when people are trying to run their lives day to day and keep
encountering stones in the road and potholes not of their own making it is,

I think understandable if people get fed up and take the easy option.
I have I know said much of this before, but like most of us, I have had to

try to help people in real life away from this place and been almost
embarrassed when you eventually track down the issue to the actual changes
in the software and nothing to do with the end user, except that he or she
happens to be blind.

I'll shut up now and be quiet, bite my lip etc for a while. I nearly bought

a new laptop last week but after reading about all the win 10 issues decided

not to bother.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason

why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...


Dear NVDA community,



Disclaimer: for new community members, I'm normally not like this, but I
do
sometimes right posts I believe folks should hear, as it impacts
community
experience and what not. So my sincere apologies for letting you witness
my
explosive side. Please bear with me for a second, as it is important that

I
talk about the following regarding respecting engineers and announce a
directive for Windows 10 users:



In the blindness community (at least for members of various mailing lists
that I'm a part of or lead), I became synonymous with someone who is
willing
to show patience until the end, especially when resolving tech support
problems. But there is a hidden side to that: for certain things, I become

a
volcano, and those who've witnessed my lava flow knows what I mean.
Unfortunately, I believe it is time that I explode yet again (my
apologies
to our dear leaders for doing something like this):



Answering questions: for many situations, when resolving issues, when I
and
other engineers ask you questions in hopes of getting to the meat of the
burger. Sometimes we may ask you to tell us steps to reproduce the given
problem, what a screen reader says, and what not. When developers ask you
questions, please do your best to answer them if possible.



For Windows 10 users: there is an important reason why I wrote Windows 10
App Essentials: to prevent issues like the one Rosemarie and others have
experienced with Mail app. Hence the following directive:



Until now, it was optional for you to use Windows 10 app Essentials
add-on
if you are using Windows 10. I'll make this an important requirement
starting from fall 2017. That is, starting from September 2017, when you
report issues like the one Rosemarie has experienced, I'll no longer ask
you
to install latest WinTenApps add-on: I'll assume that you have. For
Windows
Insiders, this is a critical (and mandatory) requirement.



I'm not announcing this directive just because I feel like doing it, nor
to
increase popularity of my brainchild: Windows 10 App Essentials add-on
exists for important reasons:



* Workarounds for issues encountered by NVDA users when using Windows
10, including various UI Automation issues.
* Respond to changes in accessibility of various apps such as removing
workarounds put in place in past versions.
* Respond to app executable name changes (Microsoft has changed names
of at least three universal app executables).
* Provide essential features for Windows 10 users, including
suggestions announcement, emoji panel support (Fall Creators Update),
Edge
notification announcements and others.
* To prove to Microsoft and third-party universal app developers that
accessibility should be a core design criteria for apps, including
letting
screen reader users use apps to their full potential.



Thank you.

Cheers,

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text only weather resource page and NVDA

Laurie Mehta
 

This evening I tried to go to braille.wunderground.com which had been a good text-only weather resource.
The link took me to a different page at weather underground, though, and that page was not very user-friendly for me. (I'm using firefox v54 and NVDA v17.1.)

I'm wondering if any of you know if the braille.wunderground page is gone forever and if you have another page to recommend?

Thanks,
Laurie M.


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Well you need to update office from any office application.

hit winkey and r type winword.

that will open word.

then hit the following key sequence

alt f for file d for account tab to office update hit space hit space on check for update

next alt tab to word and hit alt f4 there will be a dialog saying its downloading updates, they are being streamed from the cloud, it can take a while but will eventually update.

On 20/06/2017 2:51 p.m., Sam Bushman wrote:
When I run windows update I get this message:


Update status

Your device is up to date. Last checked: Today, ‏‎12:31 PM


Do you mean I should update outlook?


I will try that as well.


Thank you,

Sam



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016


Hi Sam,


I use Outlook 2016 regularly at home and have not had these issues.


Are you on the latest version of windows 10? I do not think so. Can you upgrade?

Pranav




Re: Weather Plus add-on

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi,
 
You can turn off auto search for update from the settings of Weather Plus.
But I suggest you to install the latest version because is more stable.
 
Cheers
Adriano
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus add-on

HI,


I am wondering if the weather plus add-on could be modified to allow for getting update notices or not getting them.  I tend to leave software as is unless I start having issues with it.  NVDA itself is one piece of software I do keep up to date but would really appreciate not having to kill/respond to update notices for weather plus since it is working just fine at the version I have installed.


thanks.


Dan Beaver


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Chris
 

There really is no helping some people there really isn’t

And they certainy don’t want to help themselves

Leave them to it I say

 

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: 20 June 2017 05:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Probably shouldn't jump in on this one, since it's (mostly) cleared up,

but honestly, I found absolutely nothing wrong with the post where he

said he would assume folks are using the essentials add-on.  It makes

perfect sense, and I don't understand all the lashback.  Perhaps, folks

would prefer the first question to be are yousing the essentials add-on,

but you can only ask that question so many times before it becomes

maddening enough to make you want to give up trying to help altogether. 

I just don't get why folks blew their stack at this one, Nothing Joseph

said was out of sorts, and if you're using windows 10, then you need to

be using the essentials add-on to make NVDA work as well as possible. 

Nothing wrong with assuming folks are using what's required to make the

machine work. Perhaps, there should be some documentation added to the

readme file that comes up when NVDA loads the first time informing folks

that the essentials add-on is necessary, and point to where to get it,

That way, folks will learn about it, and know where to obtain it, but

otherwise, I don't have the slightest issue with what Joseph said, or

how he said it.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

I didn't see anything wrong in Joseph's post either, it gets old very quickly having to ask the same question over and over. I do believe though that it might be a good idea to bundle this add-on with NVDA, or, alternatively, as Travis suggested below, prompt for download and installation of the add-on during NVDA installation if Win 10 is detected.

No need to go quiet on the list Joseph, just because some folks are overly sensitive. Your contribution to NVDA is appreciated.

Jacques

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 06:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Probably shouldn't jump in on this one, since it's (mostly) cleared up, but honestly, I found absolutely nothing wrong with the post where he said he would assume folks are using the essentials add-on. It makes perfect sense, and I don't understand all the lashback. Perhaps, folks would prefer the first question to be are yousing the essentials add-on, but you can only ask that question so many times before it becomes maddening enough to make you want to give up trying to help altogether.
I just don't get why folks blew their stack at this one, Nothing Joseph said was out of sorts, and if you're using windows 10, then you need to be using the essentials add-on to make NVDA work as well as possible.
Nothing wrong with assuming folks are using what's required to make the machine work. Perhaps, there should be some documentation added to the readme file that comes up when NVDA loads the first time informing folks that the essentials add-on is necessary, and point to where to get it, That way, folks will learn about it, and know where to obtain it, but otherwise, I don't have the slightest issue with what Joseph said, or how he said it.


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Laurie Mehta
 

Well put...thanks!
-LM
--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/19/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Monday, June 19, 2017, 9:32 PM

Probably shouldn't jump in on
this one, since it's (mostly) cleared up,
but honestly, I found absolutely nothing wrong
with the post where he
said he would assume
folks are using the essentials add-on.  It makes
perfect sense, and I don't understand all
the lashback.  Perhaps, folks
would prefer
the first question to be are yousing the essentials add-on,

but you can only ask that question so many
times before it becomes
maddening enough to
make you want to give up trying to help altogether. 
I just don't get why folks blew their stack
at this one, Nothing Joseph
said was out of
sorts, and if you're using windows 10, then you need to

be using the essentials add-on to make NVDA
work as well as possible. 
Nothing wrong
with assuming folks are using what's required to make
the
machine work. Perhaps, there should be
some documentation added to the
readme file
that comes up when NVDA loads the first time informing folks

that the essentials add-on is necessary,
and point to where to get it,
That way,
folks will learn about it, and know where to obtain it, but

otherwise, I don't have the slightest
issue with what Joseph said, or
how he said
it.


Re: windows10 audio ducking with nvda?

Jacob Kruger
 

Definitely haven't noticed anything like this myself - can you possibly give us a specific example/scenario?


Stay well


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On 2017-06-20 06:08, The Wolf wrote:
Hello when using nvda with the audio ducking mode on windows10 there are times when the audio doesn't turn back up after using the feature and so I have to hit another key to force it to work.

is any one running in to this?

sorry if I am not explaining things clear enuff

thanks

Hank






Re: windows10 audio ducking with nvda?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Hank,

What have you got audio ducking set to in NVDA?  Are you using any other programs which might use audio or try to duck audio themselves?  Also, can you narrow down when it happens?  EG every time you exit Word, when you open Firefox, when you play a CD etc?

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:08 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello when using nvda with the audio ducking mode on windows10 there are times when the audio doesn't turn back up after using the feature and so I have to hit another key to force it to work.

is any one running in to this?

sorry if I am not explaining things clear enuff

thanks

Hank








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Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Probably shouldn't jump in on this one, since it's (mostly) cleared up, but honestly, I found absolutely nothing wrong with the post where he said he would assume folks are using the essentials add-on. It makes perfect sense, and I don't understand all the lashback. Perhaps, folks would prefer the first question to be are yousing the essentials add-on, but you can only ask that question so many times before it becomes maddening enough to make you want to give up trying to help altogether. I just don't get why folks blew their stack at this one, Nothing Joseph said was out of sorts, and if you're using windows 10, then you need to be using the essentials add-on to make NVDA work as well as possible. Nothing wrong with assuming folks are using what's required to make the machine work. Perhaps, there should be some documentation added to the readme file that comes up when NVDA loads the first time informing folks that the essentials add-on is necessary, and point to where to get it, That way, folks will learn about it, and know where to obtain it, but otherwise, I don't have the slightest issue with what Joseph said, or how he said it.


Re: Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

Sorry for not clarifying that way earlier…

When I say “I’ll assume”, I’ll take it to mean that the person is using that add-on. I do see why this may have caused confusion for many.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

But what does that mean, "you'll assume."  You'll still have to ask if you want to know if they are using the add on when helping people.  Does "I assume" mean, I won't ask?  Does it mean, I'll give answers and if the person isn't using the add on, the answers won't work?  Does it mean I won't give help if I ask and find out the person isn't using the add on?  Saying I assume with no explanation is so ambiguous that there is no way to do more than guess or infer what you mean.  I have no objection to saying that the add on is so integral to the operation of Windows 10 that if someone presents a problem, I will ask if they are using the add on.  If they aren't, I won't help with the problem until they are using it because the problem has a reasonable chance of being resolved by using the add on.  You may not have expressed what you meant properly.  To which I say that, obviously, it would have been better if you had expressed yourself better and that nobodies perfect.  I also say that  it's time for people to stop being so thin skinned.  Ask what someone means before assuming if the message has different possible meanings. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Saying "I will assume" in this context with no explanation,  is so ambiguous that it is meaningless. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

If I understand correctly, this came about when I said that I’ll assume folks are using the add-on, and I made it clear why this add-on is necessary. But due to strong community reactions, I’ll take back the directive.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

As I recall, the statement was made that by a certain time, when someone asks a bout a problem, Joseph Lee will assume that the add on is being used.  I don't know what that means.  Perhaps before assuming what is meant in an e-mail, a medium notorious for creating misunderstandings, it would have been better to ask what was meant. 

 

If it had been worded differently for example, by whatever date, I will only help with problems if the person confirms that they are running the Windows 10 add on, perhaps you wouldn't have been angry with that statement.  Clearly, the add on is essential for Windows 10 users to use and keep current.  In this case, though the item is an add on, it incorporates functionality that takes too long to put into the main program to keep the main program current.  Elements of the add on are incorporated into NVDA over time.  If Joseph meant that he wouldn't help people by a certain date unless they are using the add on, that is a perfectly reasonable statement. 

 

Maybe you should take some of your anger and direct it to Microsoft, which is constantly changing universal apps and, according to what Joseph said on another list, tests them for accessibility with Narrator.  That is completely inadequate accessibility testing. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.