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Re: Coping with Dolby digital

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Joseph and Jeffry,

Both your suggestions helped. I did not have an application specific setting for
Dolby but I did go into the Dolby program and disable surround sound, volume
leveling and the graphics equalizer. I then had to increase the volume but that
was not such an issue and my NVDA speech is stable.

Pranav


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

 

That should have been "keep everything as is" in that last message, which uses the "Keep Source Formatting".

I also just realized that the paste control is able to be activated via keyboard shortcuts provided you do it the moment after you've done the CTRL+V to actually paste.  To use it hit CTRL followed by one of the following (at least in Word 2010, and I believe earlier, but I know later up through at least Word 2013):
  1. T, if you wish to keep the text only and have that text match your document's format
  2. M, if you wish to merge formatting, which in the case of web text makes the text have the font and size of your document
  3. K, if you wish to keep source formatting, which retains all the qualities - font, size, etc. - that comes from the source material.


--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


2 nvda questions

 

Hello where can I get the latest windows10 developer that people are using?

I can't find the email that was posted a few days back with the download link to the adon

also when you search on a web find what is the commands to use to bring up[ the find option and how do you then advance to the net results?

thanks

Hank


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

kelby carlson
 

When I copy something from the Internet with complex formatting into
Word and I look at the paste control button as you described, there is
no option to keep default formatting.

On 6/21/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
This is a feature of Word and has been for ages.  You can also configure
Word to do pastes using the paste default you want.

When you paste into word you should always be getting a paste control button
when the paste completes.  It will use your default paste format (see the
results of this DuckDuckGo search (
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ms+word+set+default+paste+option&t=hz&atb=v33-7__&ia=web
) for the various tutorials for the various versions of Word with regard to
setting up your default paste option), but if you activate the paste control
button once complete it will allow you to choose a paste style (and to keep
everything is that would be "Keep Source Formatting") and will alter what's
just been pasted to use the paste style you just chose.  You must do this at
the time you paste, though, as once you move along and do a bunch of other
things that option is no longer available.
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

*     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *  But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

*           ~ * *Niels Bohr*


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

 

This is a feature of Word and has been for ages.  You can also configure Word to do pastes using the paste default you want.

When you paste into word you should always be getting a paste control button when the paste completes.  It will use your default paste format (see the results of this DuckDuckGo search for the various tutorials for the various versions of Word with regard to setting up your default paste option), but if you activate the paste control button once complete it will allow you to choose a paste style (and to keep everything is that would be "Keep Source Formatting") and will alter what's just been pasted to use the paste style you just chose.  You must do this at the time you paste, though, as once you move along and do a bunch of other things that option is no longer available.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

kelby carlson
 

Word's default option is to keep source formatting but I can confirm
it doesn't do that.

On 6/21/17, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
I would think this would be a feature of Word rather than the screen reader.
Have you done a Google search on retaining source formatting when pasting
into Word or checked out the advanced section of the Word options? I only
have Word 2007 and don't know if later versions have changed but if I press
alt f and select 'Word Options' from the menu, select 'Advanced' from the
list box, there is something about pasting options in there.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Ballou
Sent: 21 June 2017 12:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Copying and Retaining Formatting

Hi,


I don't believe so, and if there is, I would sure like to know it myself. I
remember jaws having such a feature when I was using it back in the day.


Tony
On 6/19/2017 12:25 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
All,

Is there a way to copy text from a webpage into a Word document while
retaining the formatting/fontheadings of the text intact? When I copy
and paste normally this does not happen, and it was a feature in JAWS.










Re: Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests

 

But the position remains the same, which is a big, honkin' clue.

There have been repeated questions (and complaints) that there's no easy way to respond privately to someone rather than on group.  That's never been the case, as these links have always been there.

Since the vast majority of our members, though certainly not all, are doing all message composition in English it's only for a select few that you need to remember which link you need to use by order.

This is not rocket science.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

Chris Mullins
 

I would think this would be a feature of Word rather than the screen reader. Have you done a Google search on retaining source formatting when pasting into Word or checked out the advanced section of the Word options? I only have Word 2007 and don't know if later versions have changed but if I press alt f and select 'Word Options' from the menu, select 'Advanced' from the list box, there is something about pasting options in there.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: 21 June 2017 12:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Copying and Retaining Formatting

Hi,


I don't believe so, and if there is, I would sure like to know it myself. I remember jaws having such a feature when I was using it back in the day.


Tony
On 6/19/2017 12:25 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
All,

Is there a way to copy text from a webpage into a Word document while
retaining the formatting/fontheadings of the text intact? When I copy
and paste normally this does not happen, and it was a feature in JAWS.



Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

I have a little bit.

Here are the ones I am using:

 

Add-ins available:

OK

ESET Outlook Add-in

Microsoft Access Outlook Add-in for Data Collection and Publishing

Cancel

Microsoft Exchange Add-in

Microsoft SharePoint Server Colleague Import Add-in

Add...

OneNote Notes about Outlook Items

Outlook Social Connector 2016

Remove

Skype Meeting Add-in for Microsoft Office 2016

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

Most interesting. I wonder what is causing the problem? I am guessing you have already checked all the add-ons that get loaded?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

 

Ok, I was running safe mode wrong.

It’s – hold down the control key and launch outlook.

So, the errors don’t happen in safe mode.

 

Good work helping to troubleshoot this.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am coming late to this discussion but do the errors occur when you run outlook in safe mode?

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

They have all had the same errors, this has been happening to me for ever.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Okay, is this the case with NVDA 2016.4, 2017.1 and 2017.2? If one of those had no errors, chances are that it might be something introduced recently, but if all three have errors, then looks like a call to Microsoft might be in order.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I downloaded the nvda_snapshot_try-noGetPixel-14093,ad84027c and it seemed to help at first though with errors.  However, the sluggish behavior in messages has persisted along with the error messages mostly whenever I launch and close Outlook.

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Do you know the build that was faster than before and when it came out?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am having the exact same issues.  At first with one of the newer Next builds, it was faster when navigating messages, but this is no longer the case, and the errors persist.  I actually have to copy a message into Notepad if I want to read it if it is more than a couple of paragraphs.  I don’t get it.


Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have tried all versions including the next and master versions and keep getting errors in outlook 2016.


Please see my log below. Any ideas to resolve? I have done all I can.

 

INFO - __main__ (12:57:18.793):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.717):

Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:57:19.717):

Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

NVDA version master-14109,35dc6213

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:57:20.951):

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:57:22.025):

Loaded synthDriver espeak

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.025):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - braille.initialize (12:57:22.025):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:57:22.025):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:57:22.039):

Braille input initialized

WARNING - core.main (12:57:22.078):

Java Access Bridge not available

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:57:22.078):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.536):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 11220 (nvda_slave.exe) (12:58:15.046):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:00:41.851):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04D11EF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 10772) at address 4c76250>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2157'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 67310

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10776

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x62c1700 at 4df4120>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=67310, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

Thank you,

Sam

 


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Sam,

 

Most interesting. I wonder what is causing the problem? I am guessing you have already checked all the add-ons that get loaded?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

 

Ok, I was running safe mode wrong.

It’s – hold down the control key and launch outlook.

So, the errors don’t happen in safe mode.

 

Good work helping to troubleshoot this.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am coming late to this discussion but do the errors occur when you run outlook in safe mode?

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

They have all had the same errors, this has been happening to me for ever.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Okay, is this the case with NVDA 2016.4, 2017.1 and 2017.2? If one of those had no errors, chances are that it might be something introduced recently, but if all three have errors, then looks like a call to Microsoft might be in order.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I downloaded the nvda_snapshot_try-noGetPixel-14093,ad84027c and it seemed to help at first though with errors.  However, the sluggish behavior in messages has persisted along with the error messages mostly whenever I launch and close Outlook.

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

Do you know the build that was faster than before and when it came out?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am having the exact same issues.  At first with one of the newer Next builds, it was faster when navigating messages, but this is no longer the case, and the errors persist.  I actually have to copy a message into Notepad if I want to read it if it is more than a couple of paragraphs.  I don’t get it.


Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have tried all versions including the next and master versions and keep getting errors in outlook 2016.


Please see my log below. Any ideas to resolve? I have done all I can.

 

INFO - __main__ (12:57:18.793):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.717):

Config dir: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:57:19.717):

Loading config: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

NVDA version master-14109,35dc6213

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (12:57:19.980):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:57:20.951):

Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:57:22.025):

Loaded synthDriver espeak

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.025):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - braille.initialize (12:57:22.025):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:57:22.025):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:57:22.039):

Braille input initialized

WARNING - core.main (12:57:22.078):

Java Access Bridge not available

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:57:22.078):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

INFO - core.main (12:57:22.536):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 11220 (nvda_slave.exe) (12:58:15.046):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:00:41.851):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04D11EF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 10772) at address 4c76250>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8067.2157'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 67310

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10776

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x62c1700 at 4df4120>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=67310, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

Thank you,

Sam

 


Re: Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests

Brian's Mail list account
 


There is just one tiny issue over these links. They appear on the email in the language of the senddr not the recipient, so unless you are a polyglot half of the time attempting to reply to sender is a shot in the dark!
 Brian

bglists@... 
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Groups.io Message Reply and Other Options Sent In Individual Messages and Digests

At the end of each individual  message is this collection of links:

1.        <!--[endif]-->View/Reply Online followed by the Groups.io message number assigned to that message.

2.       <!--[endif]-->Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.       <!--[endif]-->Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message in question to the group.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      <!--[endif]-->Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

5.       <!--[endif]-->New Topic (which you’ll probably never use because it throws you into the web interface for the group to compose a new message for a new topic.  Most will do this just by e-mailing the group posting address.

6.      <!--[endif]-->A number of additional links related to the specific group, which can vary somewhat by group.

7.       <!--[endif]-->A fixed collection of links:

a.       <!--[endif]-->Change Your Subscription – which will take you to the Groups.io page where you can change your basic subscription options or tweak the advanced options for message delivery that I’ve written about separately.

b.      <!--[endif]-->Group Home – which will take you to the Groups.io home page for the group this message originated from.

c.       <!--[endif]-->Contact group owner -  uses the Mail to command to cause a new, blank e-mail message to be created with the group owner address of the group already filled in.

d.      <!--[endif]-->Terms of Service

e.      <!--[endif]-->Unsubscribe from this Group – which throws you into the Groups.io web interface for unsubscribing from the group where this message originated.

At the end of each digest message is a collection of links:

1.        <!--[endif]-->View/Reply Online followed by a count of messages in that topic already.

2.       <!--[endif]-->Reply to Group (which you’ll probably never use since a straight e-mail Reply does the same thing)

3.       <!--[endif]-->Reply to Sender.  This is how to send a private message to the person who sent the message in question to the group.  Activating this link will fire up a new message in your e-mail client of choice, including web based ones if you have that set up, and will put the e-mail address of the digest snippet’s sender in the “To:” field and put “Private:” followed by the actual topic’s “Subject” line after it. 

4.      <!--[endif]-->Mute this Topic.   If you wish to stop receiving any further messages related to this topic, whether in the digest or as individual messages if you switch to that mode, activate this link. 

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Re: Coping with Dolby digital

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Try going to the playback tab of the sounds dialogue in control panel, selecting your sound card and then pressing properties.
You should hopefully see an enhancements tab,. On that page is a checkbox labeled disable all sound effects. Check that, and it should hopefully disable most of the so called enhancements.
Also while you're there, in that same dialogue, you might find a tab labeled spacial sound. In the combo box on that page, choose none.
I hope this helps.

On 20/06/2017 18:09, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

My employer has given me a new laptop. I believe it is a Think pad 260. It has a
realtech sound card which supports Dolby digital. If Dolby is enabled, then the
volume of espeak fluctuates. If Dolby is disabled, then the volume remains
constant but is much reduced. I have set all the volume sliders from the volume
control and from with NVDA to maximum without much success. 

OS=Windows 10
Is there anything else that I can do? I don't mind keeping Dolby on if the
volume can stay constant.

Pranav 





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Re: Clarification: last night's remarks, teaching style

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Joseph, 


I understand where you are coming from all too well. As a former instructor who turned his attention and career from teaching to I T, some 10 years ago now, the main reason that I left teaching was students failing to practice concepts, lacking the initiative to try things on their own, and most of all just simply asking questions and thinking stuff through. I do still have a few students who have stayed with me through the years because they understand all of the things that you spoke about in your post, and that the road to being a success in this game is paved with mad scientism. Many times, success is achieved by first, having to deal with and conquering failure.  And we conquer this by thinking, practicing, asking questions, and eventually grasping the task. And once that's figured out, the sky can be the limit.


Tony

 


on 6/19/2017 4:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community:

 

I have received several remarks offlist regarding my comment to Rosemarie last night in regards to asking her what she has learned through the Mail app problem. I’ll take full responsibility of my remarks and tone, as a practical step, I’ll refrain from posting to this list for the rest of the week (and if I have offended folks, my sincere apologies).

 

As for teaching style I tend to employ: perhaps my remark from last night came as a result of my approach to teaching, which calls for students to have willingness to think, or at least, learn to think critically by asking tough questions, have willingness to fail in hopes of learning important lessons, and learn from mistakes. Perhaps this came as a result of my communication studies and argumentation training, being a member of the competitive speech and debate squad, things I’ve observed on various forums where people just believe whatever leaders say, or something else. My overall intention for asking Rosemarie to tell me what she has learned was to get her to think critically about what she has gone through, not just get a problem fixed. If I say I’m satisfied with the resolution of a problem, then this means no future preparations and applications through careful thinking. I personally believe in a community where not only people offer solutions, but also a venue where members can think critically, and I do know from a decade’s worth of experience on various forums that I’m thinking of an ideal community. One thing I personally would like to see is folks teaching novices not only the beauty of NVDA through solutions, but also fostering a sense of taking ownership of a product and thinking about it; in other words, I think it would be best to prepare willing novices for a time in the future where novices themselves would become power users and teach folks not only NVDA, but also to think carefully. Also, personally, I do not want our NVDA community to just be called “a community of users and developers of NVDA” – one thing that sets our community apart from others is unity, and I think it would be beneficial in the long run to add another title: thinking individuals.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: libreoffice 5.4 calc and using it with nvda

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi,


First of all, I don't agree that LibreOffice 5.x are not accessible for screen readers, because the problems are just a handful.

Unfortunately, all the issues I described in this group are still present in 5.4,

The most annoying is that frequently NVDA simply stops working. Strangely enough, ALT TABbing to other applications shows that NVDA is still working. To bypass this, it's necessary to restart the screen reader.


Best regards,

Walmir.



Em 20/06/2017 11:08, nasrin khaksar escreveu:

hi.
crash in calc you mean introduced in 5.3?
i tried to send email for you privately, but i recieved that souch
email address is not exist!
i wanted to you test 5.4 and send me the result about calc in my email.
5.2 and 5.3 calc is not accessible for screen readers and one of
developers told that its fixed in 5.4.
could you please test it and give me the result?
you can send me email privately to discuss about libreoffice!
God bless you and i appreciate you for your help.

On 6/20/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata@...> wrote:
Hi,


I am so sorry.

Excuse me, I did not realize I were still using LibreOffice 5.3.

I will test 5.4...



Em 20/06/2017 08:52, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:
Hi,

All the issues are still there (including the crashes that were
introduced in version 5.3).




Em 19/06/2017 02:18, nasrin khaksar escreveu:
hi walmir and also nvda users and developers.

i reported bug 108474 and one of developers told me that problem using
calc is solved in 5.4 branch of libreoffice.
could you please test this version and give me the result to report to
the developers?
i read in the list that calc 5.2 and later dont work well using nvda
and have problems.
i also tried calc 5.2 and 5.3 and realized the problem and reported it
to the libreoffice group.
thanks so much and God bless you.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/?version=5.4.0




Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Again, it does.  Control-Shift-B.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: 15 June 2017 21:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

what about adding bookmarks?

 

On 6/15/2017 7:14 AM, Gene wrote:

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut.  You can open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and then press enter again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B.  Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks

 


Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Tony Ballou
 

Hey Joseph,


Don't worry mate, all of us have to let off some steam every once in a while it happens. Personally, I can't count the number of times I've been  there and done that.  Just keep the good work coming my friend.


Tony  


On 6/19/2017 11:09 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Perhaps overreaction from my part may have led to this… What was meant to be a way to ease support may have led to unintended consequences. I throw my hands in the air: given some strong community reactions, I’ll take back the add-on directive, as well as extending self-imposed moderation on my post until end of June (i.e. I won’t say anything on this list for a while).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.



test mail - pls ignore

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi All,

didn’t get any mails from this list in the last 18 hours, so just testing….

 

Cheers,

Ralf


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


I don't believe so, and if there is, I would sure like to know it
myself. I remember jaws having such a feature when I was using it back
in the day.


Tony

On 6/19/2017 12:25 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
All,

Is there a way to copy text from a webpage into a Word document while
retaining the formatting/fontheadings of the text intact? When I copy
and paste normally this does not happen, and it was a feature in JAWS.



Re: new key label I think

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Surprising that something as basic as key labelling is missing though in NVDA.  All the other screen readers have it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 June 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

 

NVDA says copied to clipboard in browse mode because Microsoft makes that feature available.  NVDA has done this for a long time.  I don't know if it did in the early days but this has long been the behavior.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:16 AM

Subject: [nvda] new key label I think

 

Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 64 bit machine.
Just noticed that while in a browser, IE or Chrome or Firefox, when
selecting text and copying it to the clip board with control c NVDA now
says copied to clipboard.  I don't think it did this in the past.  still
no announcement of pasted from clipboard or cut to clipboard.  Have I
totally lost it or is this something new and if it is new can we get
more such key labels added as well?
Thanks


Re: OCR a Graphic

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Did you try using the OCR add on? That's the only way I know how to do
something like that.


Tony

On 6/19/2017 11:40 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is there a way to OCR a graphic on a webpage that contains text with NVDA?