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Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

Thank you very much, that was very simple and it worked.

Sincerely
Frank Ventura
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

After creating the profile, close the Configuration Profiles window. Switch to the app, and the app-specific profile will become active. At this point, press Control+NVDA+S to open Synthesizer dialog and choose ‘no speech” and press ENTER. Then switch away from the app and back to the app to make sure NVDA would become silent.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

OK, thanks I created a new profile for that application. How do I tell the profile to use no speech?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi,

Unfortunately, this isn’t working for me. I’ll let someone explain why.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi Frank,

 

I believe you can. When you are working in that self voicing program, and you have NVDA in sleep mode, hit NVDA-control-c this will save the current configuration settings and the next time you're in that self voicing program, NVDA should automatically go into sleep mode. Hope that makes sense.

 

Tony 

 

On 6/21/2017 2:01 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi,

After creating the profile, close the Configuration Profiles window. Switch to the app, and the app-specific profile will become active. At this point, press Control+NVDA+S to open Synthesizer dialog and choose ‘no speech” and press ENTER. Then switch away from the app and back to the app to make sure NVDA would become silent.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

OK, thanks I created a new profile for that application. How do I tell the profile to use no speech?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Frank,


I believe you can. When you are working in that self voicing program, and you have NVDA in sleep mode, hit NVDA-control-c this will save the current configuration settings and the next time you're in that self voicing program, NVDA should automatically go into sleep mode. Hope that makes sense.


Tony 


On 6/21/2017 2:01 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank



Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

OK, thanks I created a new profile for that application. How do I tell the profile to use no speech?

Sincerely
Frank Ventura
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: new key label I think

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have you tried the golden cursor ad on?  it lets you do various things like moving the mouse and part of it also lets you label stuff if unlabeled.


I used that part for my scanner so i could get it to route the mouse to those areas in a application. I have not treally labeled much as i do not come across it hardly.


When nvda is running use the nvda key )+ letter then, then arrow to tools, then a sub menu will come up, then arrow down to manage add ons then press the enter key. Under that section look for a button called get add ons then press the enter key.

Your browser will come up and there will be a list of add ons to install. Locate the golden cursor add on and install it.


By the way I noticed that a couple of the commands were around the oposite way  to get them to work. Most were correct.


Gene nz



On 6/22/2017 2:14 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

Surprising that something as basic as key labelling is missing though in NVDA.  All the other screen readers have it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 June 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

 

NVDA says copied to clipboard in browse mode because Microsoft makes that feature available.  NVDA has done this for a long time.  I don't know if it did in the early days but this has long been the behavior.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:16 AM

Subject: [nvda] new key label I think

 

Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 64 bit machine.
Just noticed that while in a browser, IE or Chrome or Firefox, when
selecting text and copying it to the clip board with control c NVDA now
says copied to clipboard.  I don't think it did this in the past.  still
no announcement of pasted from clipboard or cut to clipboard.  Have I
totally lost it or is this something new and if it is new can we get
more such key labels added as well?
Thanks


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely
Frank Ventura
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.


Tene nz



On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Update on outlook 2016 and NVDA Problems

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

 

OK, I have now removed all outlook add-ons – only one left.

 

Add-ins available:

OK

Microsoft Access Outlook Add-in for Data Collection and Publishing

Cancel

Add...

Remove

 

Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Root\Office16\ADDINS\ACCOLK.DLL

Load Behavior: Load at Startup

 

Any other ideas?

 

Here is my nvda log:

 

ERROR - RPC process 9104 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:25:14.434):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - RPC process 9600 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:25:33.450):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - RPC process 9576 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:25:34.818):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - appModules.outlook.AppModule._get_nativeOm (14:25:34.845):

Failed to get native object model

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "appModules\outlook.pyc", line 108, in _get_nativeOm

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 58, in getActiveObject

RuntimeError: Helper process unable to get object; see log for details

ERROR - RPC process 5644 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:27:22.559):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (14:28:42.115):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04DE9CF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 2672) at address 4d71330>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8201.2102'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 4457236

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10160

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x6c7ac0 at 4d06940>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=4457236, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much guys.

Sam

 


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.


Tene nz



On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

Try ctrl+shift+b for one time only, after that alt+shift +b should put
the focus on the bookmarks bar button every time using that hotkey.

On 6/21/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
How do you enable it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

Its alt+shift+b to put the the focus on the bookmarks bar button, it works
fine, that's after enabling it first.

On 6/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Any time you want to move to a different part of the same window, use f6.
If you use f6, you will move to the bookmarks tool bar. And you can
leave it on if you wish. It doesn't interfere with other functions.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome


Hi Steve

As far as I can see, Ctrl Shift b is the shortcut used to switch the
Bookmarks toolbar on and off. I’ve tried switching it on and it shows
as checked in the Bookmarks menu list but I can’t work out how to
access the Bookmarks toolbar itself from the keyboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 21 June 2017 15:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



Again, it does. Control-Shift-B.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: 15 June 2017 21:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



what about adding bookmarks?



On 6/15/2017 7:14 AM, Gene wrote:

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut. You can
open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and
then press enter again.



Gene

----- Original Message -----



From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B. Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks










Re: reading status bar

Rui Fontes
 

Please:
1 - In which program are you trying?
2 - What NVDA says?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Don H
Data: 20 de junho de 2017 22:37
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] reading status bar

Running latest NVDA and Win 10. In the NVDA documentation it says that
NVDA key and the end key reads the status bar. Does not do it for me.
What am I doing wrong?


Re: reading status bar

Gene
 

What program or programs are you trying to read the status line in?  Increasingly, programs don't have status lines.
 
Gene
----- Original MNessage -----

From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] reading status bar

Running latest NVDA and Win 10.  In the NVDA documentation it says that
NVDA key and the end key reads the status bar.  Does not do it for me.
What am I doing wrong?



reading status bar

Don H
 

Running latest NVDA and Win 10. In the NVDA documentation it says that NVDA key and the end key reads the status bar. Does not do it for me. What am I doing wrong?


Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I agree there was nothing wrong with what Joseph did!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

I usually do not post to this list unless I have a question, but I feel compelled to do so in this instance.  People like Joseph Lee, who give so much of their time and effort to provide services and expertise for us, should be treated with respect and deference.  I do not know who Brandon Cross is, but his below-post borders on hysteria and outright obnoxious abuse of Joseph.  His extreme reaction to Joseph's innocuous comments reveal a level of rage and anger that is irrational, and should be condemned by all of us.  Describing Joseph's comments as "directives on high" and "egotistical and arrogant", is ridiculous and unwarranted, and Brandon should immediately apologize or do us all a favor and leave this list so that we may be free of any of his further destructive vitriol.  Joseph, please disregard such unwarranted attacks as the ravings of malcontents and continue to post here as usual.  As for me, I personally say thanks for all your assistance and please continue to work so diligently on our behalf.

 

On 6/20/2017 8:11 AM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

I couldn’t agree more.  It is truly remarkable what all you have done and continue to do for the NVDA community!!

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I for one am thankful for all you do my friend.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

Perhaps overreaction from my part may have led to this… What was meant to be a way to ease support may have led to unintended consequences. I throw my hands in the air: given some strong community reactions, I’ll take back the add-on directive, as well as extending self-imposed moderation on my post until end of June (i.e. I won’t say anything on this list for a while).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.



-- 
Rich De Steno


Re: new key label I think

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I agree I’m also surprised in outlook2010 when you are arrowing throw folders it doesn’t say NVDA 9 unread again a feature other screen readers have.  I also am surprised you can’t label buttons in a program or on websites.  NVDA is missing some very obvious things in my opinion.  If they added these things it would probably be my primary screen reader.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

 

Hi,

 

Surprising that something as basic as key labelling is missing though in NVDA.  All the other screen readers have it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 June 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

 

NVDA says copied to clipboard in browse mode because Microsoft makes that feature available.  NVDA has done this for a long time.  I don't know if it did in the early days but this has long been the behavior.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:16 AM

Subject: [nvda] new key label I think

 

Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 64 bit machine.
Just noticed that while in a browser, IE or Chrome or Firefox, when
selecting text and copying it to the clip board with control c NVDA now
says copied to clipboard.  I don't think it did this in the past.  still
no announcement of pasted from clipboard or cut to clipboard.  Have I
totally lost it or is this something new and if it is new can we get
more such key labels added as well?
Thanks


Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

How do you enable it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

Its alt+shift+b to put the the focus on the bookmarks bar button, it works fine, that's after enabling it first.

On 6/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Any time you want to move to a different part of the same window, use f6.
If you use f6, you will move to the bookmarks tool bar. And you can
leave it on if you wish. It doesn't interfere with other functions.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome


Hi Steve

As far as I can see, Ctrl Shift b is the shortcut used to switch the
Bookmarks toolbar on and off. I’ve tried switching it on and it shows
as checked in the Bookmarks menu list but I can’t work out how to
access the Bookmarks toolbar itself from the keyboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 21 June 2017 15:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



Again, it does. Control-Shift-B.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: 15 June 2017 21:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



what about adding bookmarks?



On 6/15/2017 7:14 AM, Gene wrote:

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut. You can
open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and
then press enter again.



Gene

----- Original Message -----



From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B. Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks





Re: Clarification: last night's remarks, teaching style

Mário Navarro
 

   


long life to Joseph Lee.

cheers.


Às 22:21 de 19/06/2017, andy.tidwell escreveu:

Hello Joseph, I may be blasted for this but I feel I need to say something here in your behalf.
I for one think you are doing a very good job with the diversity of this list. There are beginners all the way to power
users of NVDA on this list and I think people need to think for themselves and be willing to try new things. I am a
beginner and have questioned a few posts to this list but when I go back and read over them a few times they make
perfect since.
I want to say that if it were not for those like you and the devs. of NVDA there would be no alternatives for people who can’t afford other screen readers.
My hat is off to you and all who make NVDA possible and I for one really thank you for your time and patience.
Thanks for reading this rant.
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clarification: last night's remarks, teaching style
 

Dear NVDA community:

 

I have received several remarks offlist regarding my comment to Rosemarie last night in regards to asking her what she has learned through the Mail app problem. I’ll take full responsibility of my remarks and tone, as a practical step, I’ll refrain from posting to this list for the rest of the week (and if I have offended folks, my sincere apologies).

 

As for teaching style I tend to employ: perhaps my remark from last night came as a result of my approach to teaching, which calls for students to have willingness to think, or at least, learn to think critically by asking tough questions, have willingness to fail in hopes of learning important lessons, and learn from mistakes. Perhaps this came as a result of my communication studies and argumentation training, being a member of the competitive speech and debate squad, things I’ve observed on various forums where people just believe whatever leaders say, or something else. My overall intention for asking Rosemarie to tell me what she has learned was to get her to think critically about what she has gone through, not just get a problem fixed. If I say I’m satisfied with the resolution of a problem, then this means no future preparations and applications through careful thinking. I personally believe in a community where not only people offer solutions, but also a venue where members can think critically, and I do know from a decade’s worth of experience on various forums that I’m thinking of an ideal community. One thing I personally would like to see is folks teaching novices not only the beauty of NVDA through solutions, but also fostering a sense of taking ownership of a product and thinking about it; in other words, I think it would be best to prepare willing novices for a time in the future where novices themselves would become power users and teach folks not only NVDA, but also to think carefully. Also, personally, I do not want our NVDA community to just be called “a community of users and developers of NVDA” – one thing that sets our community apart from others is unity, and I think it would be beneficial in the long run to add another title: thinking individuals.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank


Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Gene
 

I just tested with JAWS making sure I used control shift b as in boy,  My focus wasn't changed in that version of JAWS which may not be the case in newer versions where scripting may have been added to change what the command does.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

I don't know what newer versions of JAWS do.  I don't know if they place you in the tool bar or do something else.  But whatever you are describing is a screen-reader behavior and not placed in the program by Chrome developers.  I almost never use JAWS and therefore, I haven't updated it in a long time.  I have version 14 on my Windows 7 machine.  That version of JAWS does nothing when I use the command control shift v.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

Hi,

 

No, in NVDA, it’s a bit yuck to be honest.  I generally use JAWS for the most part and Window-Eyes, but I just tried it in NVDA.

 

In Window-Eyes and JAWS, you can press it, then start arrowing down and you get a treeview of all the bookmarks, but NVDA doesn’t seem to see it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 21 June 2017 16:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

Hi Steve

As far as I can see, Ctrl Shift b is the shortcut used to switch the Bookmarks toolbar on and off.  I’ve tried switching it on and it shows as checked in the Bookmarks menu list but I can’t work out how to access the Bookmarks toolbar itself from the keyboard.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 21 June 2017 15:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

Again, it does.  Control-Shift-B.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: 15 June 2017 21:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

what about adding bookmarks?

 

On 6/15/2017 7:14 AM, Gene wrote:

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut.  You can open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and then press enter again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B.  Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks