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Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Gene,


Right on buddy.  To my knowledge there isn't an option for that, or if there is, I haven't been looking in the right places.  and for a quick update on my previous post, you did have to use the bypass command in order to perform the copying and pasting of the formatting. If my thinkings right it bypass then the command of copying, then hitting the bypass again then pasting it. Got to get out of here, running late.


Tony



On 6/21/2017 12:02 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if this needs to be dealt with in part in Word but the original source is a web page and the screen-reader definitely affects what is copied from the web page depending on what settings are available governing this.  If no settings are vailable, content will be altered and you can't do anything about it while the screen-reader is running.  JAWS has an option that allows you to copy from the MSAA buffer or more or less directly from the web page.  I don't remember the actual names of these options.  NVDA doesn't have such an option.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Copying and Retaining Formatting

I would think this would be a feature of Word rather than the screen reader.  Have you done a Google search on retaining source formatting when pasting into Word or checked out the advanced section of the Word options?  I only have Word 2007 and don't  know if later versions have changed but if I press alt f and select 'Word Options' from the menu, select 'Advanced' from the list box, there is something about pasting options in there.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: 21 June 2017 12:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Copying and Retaining Formatting

Hi,


I don't believe so, and if there is, I would sure like to know it myself. I remember jaws having such a feature when I was using it back in the day.


Tony
On 6/19/2017 12:25 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
> All,
>
> Is there a way to copy text from a webpage into a Word document while
> retaining the formatting/fontheadings of the text intact? When I copy
> and paste normally this does not happen, and it was a feature in JAWS.
>
>
>










Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Gene
 

It won't work because when NVDA is asleep, by definition, no NVDA commands will work.  Being asleep means it does nothing.  The only command that will work is the command to wake it up again.  If it seems to work it is because, if you turn sleep on, then leave the Window and return, sleep will resume.  But that will happen whether you save the configuration or not.  NVDA is asleep whenever you reenter the window for that application during that session of NVDA running unless you turn sleep off in that application.  But the setting can't be saved and it won't carry over from session to session.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Hi,

Unfortunately, this isn’t working for me. I’ll let someone explain why.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi Frank,

 

I believe you can. When you are working in that self voicing program, and you have NVDA in sleep mode, hit NVDA-control-c this will save the current configuration settings and the next time you're in that self voicing program, NVDA should automatically go into sleep mode. Hope that makes sense.

 

Tony 

 

On 6/21/2017 2:01 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 


Re: Copying and Retaining Formatting

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Gene,


I think you're right buddy. That's how I use to do it back in the day.  If memory serves me right, once you had the text selected, and copied to the clipboard, you could using the paste special command paste it into the document with a choice of different characteristics.  I believe the options were something like unformatted text, rich text, or formatted text or something like that.  It worked in word, outlook, and I think that you could even do it in excel. I know that in jaws it was something like control-shift-c to copy the formatting and control-shift-v to paste it directly. I may be jiving about this because it's been so long since I've done it.  sighs!  But, I think that's how that worked. 


tony 


On 6/21/2017 1:18 PM, Gene wrote:
While this problem may need to be worked out, do you even know if the original formatting is being kept when you copy from the browser? 
 
Also, there used to be, in Outlook 2003, an item called paste special.  I don't know if there still is such an item.  But I believe you could use it to select what you wanted to do.  You wouldn't issue the paste command.  You would open paste special and choose an option.  As I recall, I almost never used it, moving to an option and pressing enter would cause that option to be performed along with pasting.  You wouldn't issue the control v command, just press enter on the option you want.
 

Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Copying and Retaining Formatting

I already looked at those options, as I said earlier. Despite having
them set to keep the source formatting, that isn't what is happening.
Pressing control after pasting does absolutely nothing, and I'm not
inclined to think it would given the role of the control key in NVDA.

On 6/21/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 08:52 am, kelby carlson wrote:
>
>>
>> Are you sure I don't have to pass the key through first? Control has a
>> specific function within NVDA in particular.
>
> I'm aware of the split button in the Home Ribbon, but it's a much bigger
> PITA to get to it, though you can use it.
>
> I am having absolutely no difficulty with NVDA running with hitting CTRL
> alone, immediately after having done a paste, and having it activate the
> paste options.  Never having worked with Word 2016 I can't really posit a
> theory as to what might or might not be happening.  The most recent version
> of Word with which I have any direct experience is Word 2013, and the
> majority of the time use Word 2010.
>
> --
> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332
>
> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *  But
> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*
>
> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>





Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Rob
 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Unfortunately, this isn't working for me. I'll let someone explain why.

Because when NVDA is in sleep mode, that means it really has gone to sleep, in that app. Which means NVDA commands won't work.


Re: Arrange Columns in Thunderbird Message List

 

One of the regulars here, Gene New Zealand, has detailed instructions on how to do this on accessibilitycentral.net, specifically:

http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

on that page search for:  How to show or hide columns in your Mozilla Thunderbird email header
and/or Using drag and drop with NVDA to rearrange column headers in Mozilla Thunderbird
depending on whether you want to add or remove columns shown or just to rearrange those shown by default.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

Thank you very much, that was very simple and it worked.

Sincerely
Frank Ventura
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

After creating the profile, close the Configuration Profiles window. Switch to the app, and the app-specific profile will become active. At this point, press Control+NVDA+S to open Synthesizer dialog and choose ‘no speech” and press ENTER. Then switch away from the app and back to the app to make sure NVDA would become silent.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

OK, thanks I created a new profile for that application. How do I tell the profile to use no speech?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi,

Unfortunately, this isn’t working for me. I’ll let someone explain why.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi Frank,

 

I believe you can. When you are working in that self voicing program, and you have NVDA in sleep mode, hit NVDA-control-c this will save the current configuration settings and the next time you're in that self voicing program, NVDA should automatically go into sleep mode. Hope that makes sense.

 

Tony 

 

On 6/21/2017 2:01 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi,

After creating the profile, close the Configuration Profiles window. Switch to the app, and the app-specific profile will become active. At this point, press Control+NVDA+S to open Synthesizer dialog and choose ‘no speech” and press ENTER. Then switch away from the app and back to the app to make sure NVDA would become silent.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

OK, thanks I created a new profile for that application. How do I tell the profile to use no speech?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Frank,


I believe you can. When you are working in that self voicing program, and you have NVDA in sleep mode, hit NVDA-control-c this will save the current configuration settings and the next time you're in that self voicing program, NVDA should automatically go into sleep mode. Hope that makes sense.


Tony 


On 6/21/2017 2:01 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank



Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

OK, thanks I created a new profile for that application. How do I tell the profile to use no speech?

Sincerely
Frank Ventura
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: new key label I think

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have you tried the golden cursor ad on?  it lets you do various things like moving the mouse and part of it also lets you label stuff if unlabeled.


I used that part for my scanner so i could get it to route the mouse to those areas in a application. I have not treally labeled much as i do not come across it hardly.


When nvda is running use the nvda key )+ letter then, then arrow to tools, then a sub menu will come up, then arrow down to manage add ons then press the enter key. Under that section look for a button called get add ons then press the enter key.

Your browser will come up and there will be a list of add ons to install. Locate the golden cursor add on and install it.


By the way I noticed that a couple of the commands were around the oposite way  to get them to work. Most were correct.


Gene nz



On 6/22/2017 2:14 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

Surprising that something as basic as key labelling is missing though in NVDA.  All the other screen readers have it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 June 2017 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new key label I think

 

NVDA says copied to clipboard in browse mode because Microsoft makes that feature available.  NVDA has done this for a long time.  I don't know if it did in the early days but this has long been the behavior.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 9:16 AM

Subject: [nvda] new key label I think

 

Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 64 bit machine.
Just noticed that while in a browser, IE or Chrome or Firefox, when
selecting text and copying it to the clip board with control c NVDA now
says copied to clipboard.  I don't think it did this in the past.  still
no announcement of pasted from clipboard or cut to clipboard.  Have I
totally lost it or is this something new and if it is new can we get
more such key labels added as well?
Thanks


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Hi,

The most effective solution is an app module that’ll put NVDA to sleep for this app. The second best solution is to use an app-specific profile and change speech synthesizer to “no speech” for this app.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely

Frank Ventura

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.

 

Tene nz

 

 

On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Frank Ventura
 

Thanks once I set up a profile just for application how do I could figure it to you sleep mode?

Sincerely
Frank Ventura
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.


Tene nz



On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Update on outlook 2016 and NVDA Problems

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

 

OK, I have now removed all outlook add-ons – only one left.

 

Add-ins available:

OK

Microsoft Access Outlook Add-in for Data Collection and Publishing

Cancel

Add...

Remove

 

Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Root\Office16\ADDINS\ACCOLK.DLL

Load Behavior: Load at Startup

 

Any other ideas?

 

Here is my nvda log:

 

ERROR - RPC process 9104 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:25:14.434):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - RPC process 9600 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:25:33.450):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - RPC process 9576 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:25:34.818):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

ERROR - appModules.outlook.AppModule._get_nativeOm (14:25:34.845):

Failed to get native object model

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "appModules\outlook.pyc", line 108, in _get_nativeOm

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 58, in getActiveObject

RuntimeError: Helper process unable to get object; see log for details

ERROR - RPC process 5644 (nvda_slave.exe) (14:27:22.559):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 90, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1165, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (14:28:42.115):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject object at 0x04DE9CF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookWordDocumentIAccessibleWordDocumentWindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (11, 371, 1872, 635)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 2672) at address 4d71330>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.8201.2102'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 4457236

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 10160

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x6c7ac0 at 4d06940>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=4457236, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much guys.

Sam

 


Re: Using NVDA sleep mode in an application

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


You could always setup a profile to put nvda to sleep I am pretty sure it would work for that application.


Tene nz



On 6/22/2017 6:01 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi all, I have a self voicing application. When I launch the application I can put NVDA to sleep using CAPS LOCK SHIFT Z and that orks. However, I need to do it everytime I launch that application. Is there a means of setting that automatically for that application?

Thanks

Frank


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Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

Try ctrl+shift+b for one time only, after that alt+shift +b should put
the focus on the bookmarks bar button every time using that hotkey.

On 6/21/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
How do you enable it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

Its alt+shift+b to put the the focus on the bookmarks bar button, it works
fine, that's after enabling it first.

On 6/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Any time you want to move to a different part of the same window, use f6.
If you use f6, you will move to the bookmarks tool bar. And you can
leave it on if you wish. It doesn't interfere with other functions.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome


Hi Steve

As far as I can see, Ctrl Shift b is the shortcut used to switch the
Bookmarks toolbar on and off. I’ve tried switching it on and it shows
as checked in the Bookmarks menu list but I can’t work out how to
access the Bookmarks toolbar itself from the keyboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 21 June 2017 15:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



Again, it does. Control-Shift-B.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: 15 June 2017 21:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



what about adding bookmarks?



On 6/15/2017 7:14 AM, Gene wrote:

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut. You can
open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and
then press enter again.



Gene

----- Original Message -----



From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome



In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B. Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks










Re: reading status bar

Rui Fontes
 

Please:
1 - In which program are you trying?
2 - What NVDA says?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Don H
Data: 20 de junho de 2017 22:37
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] reading status bar

Running latest NVDA and Win 10. In the NVDA documentation it says that
NVDA key and the end key reads the status bar. Does not do it for me.
What am I doing wrong?


Re: reading status bar

Gene
 

What program or programs are you trying to read the status line in?  Increasingly, programs don't have status lines.
 
Gene
----- Original MNessage -----

From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] reading status bar

Running latest NVDA and Win 10.  In the NVDA documentation it says that
NVDA key and the end key reads the status bar.  Does not do it for me.
What am I doing wrong?



reading status bar

Don H
 

Running latest NVDA and Win 10. In the NVDA documentation it says that NVDA key and the end key reads the status bar. Does not do it for me. What am I doing wrong?


Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I agree there was nothing wrong with what Joseph did!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

I usually do not post to this list unless I have a question, but I feel compelled to do so in this instance.  People like Joseph Lee, who give so much of their time and effort to provide services and expertise for us, should be treated with respect and deference.  I do not know who Brandon Cross is, but his below-post borders on hysteria and outright obnoxious abuse of Joseph.  His extreme reaction to Joseph's innocuous comments reveal a level of rage and anger that is irrational, and should be condemned by all of us.  Describing Joseph's comments as "directives on high" and "egotistical and arrogant", is ridiculous and unwarranted, and Brandon should immediately apologize or do us all a favor and leave this list so that we may be free of any of his further destructive vitriol.  Joseph, please disregard such unwarranted attacks as the ravings of malcontents and continue to post here as usual.  As for me, I personally say thanks for all your assistance and please continue to work so diligently on our behalf.

 

On 6/20/2017 8:11 AM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

I couldn’t agree more.  It is truly remarkable what all you have done and continue to do for the NVDA community!!

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I for one am thankful for all you do my friend.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Taking back the directive: RE: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Hi,

Perhaps overreaction from my part may have led to this… What was meant to be a way to ease support may have led to unintended consequences. I throw my hands in the air: given some strong community reactions, I’ll take back the add-on directive, as well as extending self-imposed moderation on my post until end of June (i.e. I won’t say anything on this list for a while).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important directive for Windows 10 users: there is a reason why Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is out there...

 

Here's the problem, an addon is just that, something you bolt on, or tack on to a piece of software to extend it, or give it some added functionality. Just because you have developed addons, does not give you the right to issue directives on high to anyone, for any reason. This is egotistical and arrogant, and while I'm sure you have good intentions at heart, my blood boiled when I saw that. We are all not like you, we all don't run the latest insider fast ring builds. Some of us only have one machine, either that, or we just prefer to use something that's going to be more stable. I personally have made the choice to stay clear of insider builds after several bad experiences with them across two separate machines. You probably have a core of testers who will do what you want them to do, or need them to do, the rest of us are just end-users, and are not subject to your whims, no matter how much they may help you in the future. I honestly wonder if anyone else didn't blow up at those words. I don't usually like to partake in back and forth drama, but this just takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. You're an addon dev and work with the NVDA team, this does not make you god. You need to learn that right off. I personally use a few of your addons and enjoy them, and appreciate the work you put into them, however, as I mentioned above, the narcissism needs to stop from you.



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Rich De Steno