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Re: Another Outlook Issue

Gene
 

I don't know if NVDA can see the information.  If it can, it can be scripted.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Does this mean it could be scripted?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

That's good. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

If I am actually in the NVDA folder and read the status line with control end it will read the number of unread messages in that folder.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

Window-eyes uses screen scraping more than NVDA, as far as I know.  However, one thing that hasn't been discussed is whether this information can be seen by reviewing the screen in navigation or screen review mode.  If the information can be seen in this way, then it would simply be a question of scripting that it be spoken automatically. 

 

Meantime, it isn't clear to me how accessible the status line is in the program.  Similar information may be in the status line.  And finally, you may get the information automatically spoken now or see it more easily by using the status line if you don't use the control y dialog.  I don't use Outlook but if it is designed as it used to be, if you are in the message list, you could shift tab once and be in the folders ttree view.  You would up or down arrow to the folder you want to work with and press enter.  I don't know why the control y dialog seems to be used a fair amount in this and other e-mail programs.  I find it much more convenient to simply shift tab once and then tab back to the messages list. 

 

Also, regarding the status line, I just tested the go to folder, control y, dialog in the older version of Windows Live Mail.  When I am in that dialog, I can't see the status line using NVDA key end.  When I am in the folders treeview, I can see the status line and I am told how many unread messages there are when I am on a folder if I issue the read status line command.  I don't know what will happen in Outlook but when dealing with such a problem, accessing the item you want should be tried in different ways if those ways are available.  In a dialog, you either aren't going to see the status line or it won't reflect what you are doing in the dialog.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

And window eyes also does this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Hi,
This, unfortunately, cannot be done easily. In order to do so, Outlook must be willing to expose this info to NVDA. One of the possible reasons why JAWS can do this is due to screen scraping capabilities, which NVDA somewhat implements, but the preferred approach from NV Access is accessing info through accessibility API's and others.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

They need to add auto reading of unread messages in a folder when going through your list of folders.  I do control y Jaws and other screen readers will say NVDA 9 unread so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Dear Folks,

There may be others who have this issue with Outlook, but since Joseph Lee has just been able to confirm my  (and Julia's) problem with reading the list in some Outlook folders, I would like to especially address this question to him. But, please let's chime in if anyone else can say something about this.

Joseph, I wonder if you can reproduce a problem I have encountered with various versions of Outlook. Currently, I am using Office 2016. It's actually more an annoyance than a problem. Here goes:

In composing messages, I may hear unrelated words when I move from one field to another before the correct text is read. This happens frequently, but unpredictably, as far as I can figure (but, of course, that's not very far). In writing this message, for example, I just went back to the top and then jumped up to the subject field, using shift-tab. It read to me, "One inches dear folks subject alt u another outlook issue." On other occasions, but not this time, when I drop back down into the message field, it may first read the subject line of an unrelated email that I have just opened.

Warmly,
Ralph












Re: NVDA Remote with Braille

David Parduhn
 

Hi Guys,

my nvdaremote/braille issue becomes more and more mysterious: All keypresses on the braille display are correctly redirected to the remote machine, but no messages apear on the Braille display.

I also completely uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA master and the NVDAREMOTE add-on 2.0. My machines are configured as follows:

Remote Machine:
- Windows 10 home
- NVDA Master
- NVDAREMOTE 2.0
- no braille display connected
- windows Onecore Voices enabled

Local machine:
- Windows 7 ultimate
- NVDA Master
- NVDAREMOTE 2.0
- Papenmeier Braillex Trio connected via USB (driven by the papenmeier Braillex Driver for newer models)
- no speech enabled

I created debug logs of a remote session for both machines:
local machines: https://www.dropbox.com/s/39ov3v849wgq7ql/nvda_local.log?dl=1
remote machine: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ry074i7fw58nnbp/nvdalog_remote_machine.log?dl=1

Thanks in advance

Dave


Re: Another Outlook Issue

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Does this mean it could be scripted?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

That's good. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

If I am actually in the NVDA folder and read the status line with control end it will read the number of unread messages in that folder.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

Window-eyes uses screen scraping more than NVDA, as far as I know.  However, one thing that hasn't been discussed is whether this information can be seen by reviewing the screen in navigation or screen review mode.  If the information can be seen in this way, then it would simply be a question of scripting that it be spoken automatically. 

 

Meantime, it isn't clear to me how accessible the status line is in the program.  Similar information may be in the status line.  And finally, you may get the information automatically spoken now or see it more easily by using the status line if you don't use the control y dialog.  I don't use Outlook but if it is designed as it used to be, if you are in the message list, you could shift tab once and be in the folders ttree view.  You would up or down arrow to the folder you want to work with and press enter.  I don't know why the control y dialog seems to be used a fair amount in this and other e-mail programs.  I find it much more convenient to simply shift tab once and then tab back to the messages list. 

 

Also, regarding the status line, I just tested the go to folder, control y, dialog in the older version of Windows Live Mail.  When I am in that dialog, I can't see the status line using NVDA key end.  When I am in the folders treeview, I can see the status line and I am told how many unread messages there are when I am on a folder if I issue the read status line command.  I don't know what will happen in Outlook but when dealing with such a problem, accessing the item you want should be tried in different ways if those ways are available.  In a dialog, you either aren't going to see the status line or it won't reflect what you are doing in the dialog.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

And window eyes also does this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Hi,
This, unfortunately, cannot be done easily. In order to do so, Outlook must be willing to expose this info to NVDA. One of the possible reasons why JAWS can do this is due to screen scraping capabilities, which NVDA somewhat implements, but the preferred approach from NV Access is accessing info through accessibility API's and others.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

They need to add auto reading of unread messages in a folder when going through your list of folders.  I do control y Jaws and other screen readers will say NVDA 9 unread so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Dear Folks,

There may be others who have this issue with Outlook, but since Joseph Lee has just been able to confirm my  (and Julia's) problem with reading the list in some Outlook folders, I would like to especially address this question to him. But, please let's chime in if anyone else can say something about this.

Joseph, I wonder if you can reproduce a problem I have encountered with various versions of Outlook. Currently, I am using Office 2016. It's actually more an annoyance than a problem. Here goes:

In composing messages, I may hear unrelated words when I move from one field to another before the correct text is read. This happens frequently, but unpredictably, as far as I can figure (but, of course, that's not very far). In writing this message, for example, I just went back to the top and then jumped up to the subject field, using shift-tab. It read to me, "One inches dear folks subject alt u another outlook issue." On other occasions, but not this time, when I drop back down into the message field, it may first read the subject line of an unrelated email that I have just opened.

Warmly,
Ralph












Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Brian's Mail list account
 

It now appears from his answer to my query that no single keys work which means for some reason its not going into browse mode at all, or that something is blocking those keys, which I would suggest is unlikely.

If you want to simulate a browser without those keys, just install pale moon browser.. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


Most people use headers. If this were a general problem, we would have heard about it vociferously and abundantly long before this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


Hmmm I have never used the header keys that much.

Probably could be a bug that existed in the addon from day 1 because no
one needed that feature.

I never need it so I never tried it.

But if enough are seeing it then its possible its been there all the
time and no one has tried it.




On 23/06/2017 5:54 p.m., John J. Boyer wrote:
I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
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Re: Another Outlook Issue

Gene
 

That's good. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

If I am actually in the NVDA folder and read the status line with control end it will read the number of unread messages in that folder.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

Window-eyes uses screen scraping more than NVDA, as far as I know.  However, one thing that hasn't been discussed is whether this information can be seen by reviewing the screen in navigation or screen review mode.  If the information can be seen in this way, then it would simply be a question of scripting that it be spoken automatically. 

 

Meantime, it isn't clear to me how accessible the status line is in the program.  Similar information may be in the status line.  And finally, you may get the information automatically spoken now or see it more easily by using the status line if you don't use the control y dialog.  I don't use Outlook but if it is designed as it used to be, if you are in the message list, you could shift tab once and be in the folders ttree view.  You would up or down arrow to the folder you want to work with and press enter.  I don't know why the control y dialog seems to be used a fair amount in this and other e-mail programs.  I find it much more convenient to simply shift tab once and then tab back to the messages list. 

 

Also, regarding the status line, I just tested the go to folder, control y, dialog in the older version of Windows Live Mail.  When I am in that dialog, I can't see the status line using NVDA key end.  When I am in the folders treeview, I can see the status line and I am told how many unread messages there are when I am on a folder if I issue the read status line command.  I don't know what will happen in Outlook but when dealing with such a problem, accessing the item you want should be tried in different ways if those ways are available.  In a dialog, you either aren't going to see the status line or it won't reflect what you are doing in the dialog.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

And window eyes also does this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Hi,
This, unfortunately, cannot be done easily. In order to do so, Outlook must be willing to expose this info to NVDA. One of the possible reasons why JAWS can do this is due to screen scraping capabilities, which NVDA somewhat implements, but the preferred approach from NV Access is accessing info through accessibility API's and others.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

They need to add auto reading of unread messages in a folder when going through your list of folders.  I do control y Jaws and other screen readers will say NVDA 9 unread so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Dear Folks,

There may be others who have this issue with Outlook, but since Joseph Lee has just been able to confirm my  (and Julia's) problem with reading the list in some Outlook folders, I would like to especially address this question to him. But, please let's chime in if anyone else can say something about this.

Joseph, I wonder if you can reproduce a problem I have encountered with various versions of Outlook. Currently, I am using Office 2016. It's actually more an annoyance than a problem. Here goes:

In composing messages, I may hear unrelated words when I move from one field to another before the correct text is read. This happens frequently, but unpredictably, as far as I can figure (but, of course, that's not very far). In writing this message, for example, I just went back to the top and then jumped up to the subject field, using shift-tab. It read to me, "One inches dear folks subject alt u another outlook issue." On other occasions, but not this time, when I drop back down into the message field, it may first read the subject line of an unrelated email that I have just opened.

Warmly,
Ralph













Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Brian's Mail list account
 

I'd go along with that most certainly. also if using a registry cleaner use one which has been tested in an accessibility system. I know the eusing cleaner is OK and so is ccleaner from the deregistering point of view, but others may not be. Despite the best of intentions anyone doing a major update should set a system restore point before changing things in any way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


As another list member has said, this sort of problem is probably the result of something being uninstalled. Can you find out or do you know what was uninstalled, if anything? Whenever I've seen such a problem discussed in the past, something had been uninstalled.

Maybe this person shouldn't update the machine in future or if he/she does, strict instructions should be given not to uninstall anything, even if the intention is to uninstall and reinstall it later. As I understand it, if you uninstall Office, then reinstall it, reinstalling doesn't undo the damage to Windows in terms of NVDA accessibility. If you uninstall and then install something else, such as the Math Player, that corrects whatever damage the uninstallation did, according to discussions I've read here.

I hope others comment on the following point but it seems to me to be important. When upgrading a program or a suite such as Office, I think that, given some uninstallations ability to harm accessibility as used by NVDA, that the new version should be installed over the old, unless this isn't possible.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 5:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


Disabling Windows 10 App
Essentials has no effect. In the browse mode menu I checked Include Layout Tables. That had no effect either. I don't
see anything else in the NVDA menus that seems relevant.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 06:45:48AM +0000, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
it would be helpful if the person who updated your pc could provide a
protocol of what they did exactly, then we could go over those items to see
which of them might interfere with your navigation keys.
Greetings,
Felix

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Juni 2017 um
08:17 Uhr:

Ok, if you disable the Win 10 app essentials, does Browse mode work? You
can either go into the add-ons manager and disable it specifically or press
NVDA+q and rather than just pressing ENTER to quit NVDA, press the down
arrow to "Restart with Add-ons disabled" and then press ENTER to see if
Browse mode works without addons running.

Also, when you say you can't press single letter navigation keys such as H
or 1 for headings, what happens? Do you get a message or a particular
sound?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:54 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...> wrote:

I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried
switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The
add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys
before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this
spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio
indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to
the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle
letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be
switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not
hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work
in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>>
wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...

website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
NVDA expert exam.

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Brian's Mail list account
 

I assume then that there is no indication of mode in a Braille only system. Could somebody explain this?
If somebody is deaf and blind it makes fault finding this sort of problem a little bit awkward.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


Disabling Windows 10 App
Essentials has no effect. In the browse mode menu I checked Include Layout Tables. That had no effect either. I don't
see anything else in the NVDA menus that seems relevant.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 06:45:48AM +0000, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
it would be helpful if the person who updated your pc could provide a
protocol of what they did exactly, then we could go over those items to see
which of them might interfere with your navigation keys.
Greetings,
Felix

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Juni 2017 um
08:17 Uhr:

Ok, if you disable the Win 10 app essentials, does Browse mode work? You
can either go into the add-ons manager and disable it specifically or press
NVDA+q and rather than just pressing ENTER to quit NVDA, press the down
arrow to "Restart with Add-ons disabled" and then press ENTER to see if
Browse mode works without addons running.

Also, when you say you can't press single letter navigation keys such as H
or 1 for headings, what happens? Do you get a message or a particular
sound?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:54 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...> wrote:

I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried
switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The
add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys
before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this
spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio
indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to
the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle
letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be
switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not
hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work
in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>>
wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
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Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...

website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
NVDA expert exam.

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost




Re: Another Outlook Issue

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

If I am actually in the NVDA folder and read the status line with control end it will read the number of unread messages in that folder.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

Window-eyes uses screen scraping more than NVDA, as far as I know.  However, one thing that hasn't been discussed is whether this information can be seen by reviewing the screen in navigation or screen review mode.  If the information can be seen in this way, then it would simply be a question of scripting that it be spoken automatically. 

 

Meantime, it isn't clear to me how accessible the status line is in the program.  Similar information may be in the status line.  And finally, you may get the information automatically spoken now or see it more easily by using the status line if you don't use the control y dialog.  I don't use Outlook but if it is designed as it used to be, if you are in the message list, you could shift tab once and be in the folders ttree view.  You would up or down arrow to the folder you want to work with and press enter.  I don't know why the control y dialog seems to be used a fair amount in this and other e-mail programs.  I find it much more convenient to simply shift tab once and then tab back to the messages list. 

 

Also, regarding the status line, I just tested the go to folder, control y, dialog in the older version of Windows Live Mail.  When I am in that dialog, I can't see the status line using NVDA key end.  When I am in the folders treeview, I can see the status line and I am told how many unread messages there are when I am on a folder if I issue the read status line command.  I don't know what will happen in Outlook but when dealing with such a problem, accessing the item you want should be tried in different ways if those ways are available.  In a dialog, you either aren't going to see the status line or it won't reflect what you are doing in the dialog.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

 

And window eyes also does this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Hi,
This, unfortunately, cannot be done easily. In order to do so, Outlook must be willing to expose this info to NVDA. One of the possible reasons why JAWS can do this is due to screen scraping capabilities, which NVDA somewhat implements, but the preferred approach from NV Access is accessing info through accessibility API's and others.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

They need to add auto reading of unread messages in a folder when going through your list of folders.  I do control y Jaws and other screen readers will say NVDA 9 unread so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Dear Folks,

There may be others who have this issue with Outlook, but since Joseph Lee has just been able to confirm my  (and Julia's) problem with reading the list in some Outlook folders, I would like to especially address this question to him. But, please let's chime in if anyone else can say something about this.

Joseph, I wonder if you can reproduce a problem I have encountered with various versions of Outlook. Currently, I am using Office 2016. It's actually more an annoyance than a problem. Here goes:

In composing messages, I may hear unrelated words when I move from one field to another before the correct text is read. This happens frequently, but unpredictably, as far as I can figure (but, of course, that's not very far). In writing this message, for example, I just went back to the top and then jumped up to the subject field, using shift-tab. It read to me, "One inches dear folks subject alt u another outlook issue." On other occasions, but not this time, when I drop back down into the message field, it may first read the subject line of an unrelated email that I have just opened.

Warmly,
Ralph













Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Gene
 

Most people use headers.  If this were a general problem, we would have heard about it vociferously and abundantly long before this.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.

Hmmm I have never used the header keys that much.

Probably could be a bug that existed in the addon from day 1 because no
one needed that feature.

I never need it so I never tried it.

But if enough are seeing it then its possible its been there all the
time and no one has tried it.




On 23/06/2017 5:54 p.m., John J. Boyer wrote:
> I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried switching in and out    of browse mode in
> Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
> Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys before. this is very frustrating.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>> hi
>>
>>
>> if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this spoken out instead of the sounds.
>>
>>
>> press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B
>>
>> When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key.
>>
>>
>> Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not hear what it said.
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>
>> I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work in any of them. How would I know if I am in
>> browse mode?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Which browser are you in?  And are you definitely in Browse mode?
>>
>> If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
>> john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
>> Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
>> that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h  1, 2, etc. don't work.
>> Why is this, and what is the fix?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>> --
>> John J. Boyer
>> Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>
>> website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
>> Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses  live.
>> Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>> Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
>> services
>>          that are available at no cost
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> [Image NVDA          certified expert]
>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.




Re: Another Outlook Issue

Gene
 

Window-eyes uses screen scraping more than NVDA, as far as I know.  However, one thing that hasn't been discussed is whether this information can be seen by reviewing the screen in navigation or screen review mode.  If the information can be seen in this way, then it would simply be a question of scripting that it be spoken automatically. 
 
Meantime, it isn't clear to me how accessible the status line is in the program.  Similar information may be in the status line.  And finally, you may get the information automatically spoken now or see it more easily by using the status line if you don't use the control y dialog.  I don't use Outlook but if it is designed as it used to be, if you are in the message list, you could shift tab once and be in the folders ttree view.  You would up or down arrow to the folder you want to work with and press enter.  I don't know why the control y dialog seems to be used a fair amount in this and other e-mail programs.  I find it much more convenient to simply shift tab once and then tab back to the messages list. 
 
Also, regarding the status line, I just tested the go to folder, control y, dialog in the older version of Windows Live Mail.  When I am in that dialog, I can't see the status line using NVDA key end.  When I am in the folders treeview, I can see the status line and I am told how many unread messages there are when I am on a folder if I issue the read status line command.  I don't know what will happen in Outlook but when dealing with such a problem, accessing the item you want should be tried in different ways if those ways are available.  In a dialog, you either aren't going to see the status line or it won't reflect what you are doing in the dialog.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

And window eyes also does this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Hi,
This, unfortunately, cannot be done easily. In order to do so, Outlook must be willing to expose this info to NVDA. One of the possible reasons why JAWS can do this is due to screen scraping capabilities, which NVDA somewhat implements, but the preferred approach from NV Access is accessing info through accessibility API's and others.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

They need to add auto reading of unread messages in a folder when going through your list of folders.  I do control y Jaws and other screen readers will say NVDA 9 unread so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 5:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Another Outlook Issue

Dear Folks,

There may be others who have this issue with Outlook, but since Joseph Lee has just been able to confirm my  (and Julia's) problem with reading the list in some Outlook folders, I would like to especially address this question to him. But, please let's chime in if anyone else can say something about this.

Joseph, I wonder if you can reproduce a problem I have encountered with various versions of Outlook. Currently, I am using Office 2016. It's actually more an annoyance than a problem. Here goes:

In composing messages, I may hear unrelated words when I move from one field to another before the correct text is read. This happens frequently, but unpredictably, as far as I can figure (but, of course, that's not very far). In writing this message, for example, I just went back to the top and then jumped up to the subject field, using shift-tab. It read to me, "One inches dear folks subject alt u another outlook issue." On other occasions, but not this time, when I drop back down into the message field, it may first read the subject line of an unrelated email that I have just opened.

Warmly,
Ralph














Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Ctrl+shift+o is the shortcut key to the Bookmarks Manager, which is used for organizing, importing and exporting bookmarks rather than accessing bookmarked pages.  It may present them in a long list but there is no first letter pick available so you could be tabbing forever.  I don’t understand what you mean by ‘activating bookmarks’ other than activating the Bookmarks Toolbar which, once activated remains so until you de-activate it.  The  alt+shift+b shortcut takes you straight to the toolbar, as does shift+F6.  F6 alone hass to be pressed twice as the first press puts you in the address bar.  As for the Bookmarks toolbar contents, these cannot be accessed using first letter pick and if not organized by yourself, do get grouped automatically by Chrome, I suspect due to horizontal space limitations. 

 

I’ve been playing around with bookmarks the last couple of days and have found that if I group bookmars into folders, I have 5 of them, these are displayed as sub menu items on the tool bar and when enter or down arrow is pressed, the menu opens vertically and has first letter pic available.  If you don’t want to have several folders, just create one and with a couple of keystrokes you be able to use first letter pic to zero in on any bookmark.  Pressing the applications key on a folder in the toolbar opens a context menu allowing various functions including adding the currently displayed site to the folder and opening a web page tab for every bookmark you have in the folder.  After being initially dismissive of the Bookmarks toolbar, due mainly to my own ignorance,  I have found it to be both accessible and easy to use.         

 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 22 June 2017 17:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

Once again, I have to restate this.

Using the activate bookmarks keystroke still requires an additional keystroke to get to the bookmark list, whether it be the alt-shift-b or the f6, or something else.  The navigation is with right/left arrows, to go through the bookmarks, and down/up arrows to expand/collapse different categories. as it classifies all book marks in groups, and some folks may not want that grouping. 

When using the control-shift-o keystroke, you're placed in a full-screen layout of the bookmarks, and you can simply tab to the list of bookmarks, then arrow up/down through the bookmarks to get to the one you want, and there are no subcategories, no expanding/collapsing is necessary, and all the bookmarks are in one long single list. 

There is the issue with double speech in that the speech reads the bookmark you just left, then the one that is currently highlighted, which can be annoying, but this should be fixable with some sort of highlight tracking modifications, or in the chrome NVDA module.  I've not made any attempt to do so, but it should be possible to have the speech read only the currently highlighted item instead of both of them.

In any case, these two views are presented in very different ways, and some folks may prefer one over the other, so a mention of both methods is not out of order here.

 

 

On 6/22/2017 10:43 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Or Alt-Shift-B will do it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 22 June 2017 03:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

It does indeed claim the control shift b hides or unhides the bookmarks bar, but that doesn't set focus to said bookmarks bar, for that, you either need to use control-f6, or control-shift-f6 depending on whether you are going forward or backward through the list. 

However, a more direct, and much more useful keystroke is control-shift-o, which does open the bookmark manager, which is most likely what most folks would expect when trying to get to the bookmarks.

So, while your control-shift-b command does exist in chrome, it doesn't actually bring you to your bookmarks, merely hides or unhides the bookmarks bar, which you still need to navigate to in order to do anything with it.  The keystroke most likely needed in this particular instance is control-shift-o, which opens the bookmarks manager, where you can add, remove, and access all of your bookmarks, which is more like the bookmark functionality in other browsers that is usually accessed with the control-b functionality.

 

 

On 6/21/2017 12:03 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, it’s all here:-

 

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/157179?hl=en-GB

 

Control-Shift-B hides or unhides the Bookmarks bar.

 

So you didn’t search too well <Big Smile>. That feature has been around for ages.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 20 June 2017 15:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

I'd have to bring my Windows 7 machine online and update to the latest Chrome.  I almost never use that machine online so it may have been added recently.  If so, no one on the list has mentioned it so the command appears to be almost unknown, if it is present.  In my version of Chrome, which is a number of months old, that command does nothing. 

 

Also, I did an Internet search a few months ago looking for such a command and I found no command.  So if it is present, it evidently is a recent addition.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

Hi Jean,

 

What’s wrong with Control-Shift-B?  Works for me every time.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 June 2017 15:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut.  You can open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and then press enter again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B.  Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 


Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Gene
 

As another list member has said, this sort of problem is probably the result of something being uninstalled.  Can you find out or do you know what was uninstalled, if anything?  Whenever I've seen such a problem discussed in the past, something had been uninstalled. 
 
Maybe this person shouldn't update the machine in future or if he/she does, strict instructions should be given not to uninstall anything, even if the intention is to uninstall and reinstall it later.  As I understand it, if you uninstall Office, then reinstall it, reinstalling doesn't undo the damage to Windows in terms of NVDA accessibility.  If you uninstall and then install something else, such as the Math Player, that corrects whatever damage the uninstallation did, according to discussions I've read here.
 
I hope others comment on the following point but it seems to me to be important.  When upgrading a program or a suite such as Office, I think that, given some uninstallations ability to harm accessibility as used by NVDA, that the new version should be installed over the old, unless this isn't possible.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.

Disabling Windows 10 App
Essentials has no effect. In the browse mode menu I checked Include Layout Tables. That had no effect either. I don't
see anything else in the NVDA menus that seems relevant.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 06:45:48AM +0000, Felix G. wrote:
> Hello,
> it would be helpful if the person who updated your pc could provide a
> protocol of what they did exactly, then we could go over those items to see
> which of them might interfere with your navigation keys.
> Greetings,
> Felix
>
> Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Juni 2017 um
> 08:17 Uhr:
>
> > Ok, if you disable the Win 10 app essentials, does Browse mode work?  You
> > can either go into the add-ons manager and disable it specifically or press
> > NVDA+q and rather than just pressing ENTER to quit NVDA, press the down
> > arrow to "Restart with Add-ons disabled" and then press ENTER to see if
> > Browse mode works without addons running.
> >
> > Also, when you say you can't press single letter navigation keys such as H
> > or 1 for headings, what happens?  Do you get a message or a particular
> > sound?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Quentin.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:54 PM, John J. Boyer <
> > john.boyer@...> wrote:
> >
> >> I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried
> >> switching in and out    of browse mode in
> >> Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The
> >> add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
> >> Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys
> >> before. this is very frustrating.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> >> > hi
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this
> >> spoken out instead of the sounds.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B
> >> >
> >> > When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio
> >> indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to
> >> the ok button then press the enter key.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle
> >> letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be
> >> switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not
> >> hear what it said.
> >> >
> >> > Gene nz
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work
> >> in any of them. How would I know if I am in
> >> > browse mode?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi John,
> >> >
> >> > Which browser are you in?  And are you definitely in Browse mode?
> >> >
> >> > If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Quentin.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
> >> > john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
> >> > Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
> >> > that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h  1, 2, etc. don't work.
> >> > Why is this, and what is the fix?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > John J. Boyer
> >> > Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...
> >> >
> >> > website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
> >> > Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses  live.
> >> > Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> >> > Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
> >> > services
> >> >         that are available at no cost
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Quentin Christensen
> >> > Training and Support Manager
> >> >
> >> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
> >> available:
> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >> >
> >> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> >> > www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> >> > Twitter: @NVAccess
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > [Image NVDA          certified expert]
> >> > Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> >> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
> >> are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
> >> of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
> >> locations (or location) is near to you please visit
> >> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
> >> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
> >> you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
> >> The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
> >> individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
> >> NVDA expert exam.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Email: john.boyer@...
> >> website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
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> >> Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> >> Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
> >> services
> >>         that are available at no cost
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Training and Support Manager
> >
> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >
> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
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> > Twitter: @NVAccess
> >
> >

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Re: a suggestion for spotify uwp version

Gene
 

I doubt you can turn on browse mode in this case.  If browse mode should be on and NVDA knows that, it automatically turns it on.  If browse mode is off, then, in all my past experience, it isn't available.  you can't turn it on. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a suggestion for spotify uwp version

In my view, Microsoft are just not testing what they do, end of story, one
feels that if something works in narrator they feel they have done their
job. This is either laziness or an inadequate understanding of how blind
people use computers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a suggestion for spotify uwp version


> if this app is accessible in brouse mode, then maybe you can start the
> app, turn on brouse mode and make a profile for it.
>
> If all apps need it then have nvda always go to brouse mode when a
> universal app is needed.
>
> I am unsure if this would help but like jaws and others the software would
> detect when it thought it had to switch to another mode.
>
> Could nvda detect when something needed brouse mode or not.
>
> Ofcause it would have to be done manually but even so.
>
> On that note maybe if its all it needs to be, putting nvda to brouse mode,
> instead of addons for spotify could profile be saved, exported and
> imported into other versions or will something spaciffically be written
> for spotify.
>
> On that note, for those that are on insiders and can get this with win10
> is itunes universal better access wize than its pc counterpart?
>
>
>
>
> On 23/06/2017 8:07 p.m., Olcay AŞCI wrote:
>> hello,
>> Spotify is now available in the windows store. The new spotify app is an
>> identical copy of the old application. However, as the interface is a web
>> interface, and as nvda does not enable browse mode, this app can only be
>> used with narrator. To resolve this, nvda needs to turn on browse mode in
>> the new app. Additionally, adding a command to force browse mode in
>> applications will solve some problems.
>>
>> Windows 10 için Posta ile gönderildi
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Rui Fontes
 

Just a question:

You are typing the letters on PC keyboard or in Braille display keyboard?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: John J. Boyer
Data: 23 de junho de 2017 11:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.

None of the quick navigation keys work. I'll get in touch with the person who updated my computer.

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:11:57AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would first disable the add on in tools etc, then see if it works. At
least that would remove that variable.
My worry here is this, do any of the quick navigation keys work, ie l b e
etc?
If not could it possibly be that something has deregistered a vital file in
windows. I've seen this if that math display program or some office products
are removed. In that case then you really need local help I'd suggest to fix
it. Be interesting to know what exactly was updated.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Boyer"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried
switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The
add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys
before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this
spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio
indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down
to the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle
letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be
switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did
not hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work
in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
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Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost










--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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Email: john.boyer@...
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Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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that are available at no cost


Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

John J. Boyer
 

None of the quick navigation keys work. I'll get in touch with the person who updated my computer.

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:11:57AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would first disable the add on in tools etc, then see if it works. At
least that would remove that variable.
My worry here is this, do any of the quick navigation keys work, ie l b e
etc?
If not could it possibly be that something has deregistered a vital file in
windows. I've seen this if that math display program or some office products
are removed. In that case then you really need local help I'd suggest to fix
it. Be interesting to know what exactly was updated.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Boyer"
<john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried
switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The
add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys
before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this
spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio
indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down
to the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle
letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be
switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did
not hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work
in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
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Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost






--
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Email: john.boyer@...
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Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

John J. Boyer
 

Disabling Windows 10 App
Essentials has no effect. In the browse mode menu I checked Include Layout Tables. That had no effect either. I don't
see anything else in the NVDA menus that seems relevant.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 06:45:48AM +0000, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
it would be helpful if the person who updated your pc could provide a
protocol of what they did exactly, then we could go over those items to see
which of them might interfere with your navigation keys.
Greetings,
Felix

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am Fr., 23. Juni 2017 um
08:17 Uhr:

Ok, if you disable the Win 10 app essentials, does Browse mode work? You
can either go into the add-ons manager and disable it specifically or press
NVDA+q and rather than just pressing ENTER to quit NVDA, press the down
arrow to "Restart with Add-ons disabled" and then press ENTER to see if
Browse mode works without addons running.

Also, when you say you can't press single letter navigation keys such as H
or 1 for headings, what happens? Do you get a message or a particular
sound?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:54 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...> wrote:

I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried
switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The
add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys
before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this
spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio
indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to
the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle
letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be
switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not
hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work
in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>>
wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...

website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
NVDA expert exam.

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Chris Mullins
 

Press control+nvda+b to open the Browse mode dialog, tab down to 'a check
box labelled 'audio indication of Focus and Brows modes', uncheck it, tab to
OK and press, use nvda+spacebar to switch between focus/browse modes and
NVDA will announce the mode it is in rather than using a sound.

Cheers
Chris enter. Now when browsing web sites,

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: 23 June 2017 06:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work in
any of them. How would I know if I am in browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...> wrote:

I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed
the Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys that are supposed
to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost


Re: a suggestion for spotify uwp version

Brian's Mail list account
 

In my view, Microsoft are just not testing what they do, end of story, one feels that if something works in narrator they feel they have done their job. This is either laziness or an inadequate understanding of how blind people use computers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a suggestion for spotify uwp version


if this app is accessible in brouse mode, then maybe you can start the app, turn on brouse mode and make a profile for it.

If all apps need it then have nvda always go to brouse mode when a universal app is needed.

I am unsure if this would help but like jaws and others the software would detect when it thought it had to switch to another mode.

Could nvda detect when something needed brouse mode or not.

Ofcause it would have to be done manually but even so.

On that note maybe if its all it needs to be, putting nvda to brouse mode, instead of addons for spotify could profile be saved, exported and imported into other versions or will something spaciffically be written for spotify.

On that note, for those that are on insiders and can get this with win10 is itunes universal better access wize than its pc counterpart?




On 23/06/2017 8:07 p.m., Olcay AŞCI wrote:
hello,
Spotify is now available in the windows store. The new spotify app is an identical copy of the old application. However, as the interface is a web interface, and as nvda does not enable browse mode, this app can only be used with narrator. To resolve this, nvda needs to turn on browse mode in the new app. Additionally, adding a command to force browse mode in applications will solve some problems.

Windows 10 için Posta ile gönderildi



Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Brian's Mail list account
 

No its not a bug, at least not in the original as I use header and other shortcut keys all the time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


Hmmm I have never used the header keys that much.

Probably could be a bug that existed in the addon from day 1 because no one needed that feature.

I never need it so I never tried it.

But if enough are seeing it then its possible its been there all the time and no one has tried it.




On 23/06/2017 5:54 p.m., John J. Boyer wrote:
I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

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I would first disable the add on in tools etc, then see if it works. At least that would remove that variable.
My worry here is this, do any of the quick navigation keys work, ie l b e etc?
If not could it possibly be that something has deregistered a vital file in windows. I've seen this if that math display program or some office products are removed. In that case then you really need local help I'd suggest to fix it. Be interesting to know what exactly was updated.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

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