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Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

Laurie Mehta
 

That makes perfect sense. Thanks for putting it so concisely.
-LM

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On Fri, 6/23/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Friday, June 23, 2017, 7:18 PM






pressing either numpad 8, or nvda-up arrow once reads
the line,
pressing it twice spells the line, pressing it three
times spells
the line phoenetically.  I don't see any issue
with this.  If you
don't want it spelled phoenetically, don't
press it three times,
only press it twice.





On 6/23/2017
2:07 PM, Gene wrote:





I didn't understand why people wanted this
feature and I'm
not saying it shouldn't be there.  I'd have
to see the reasons
it was implemented.  But having said that, it seems
cumbersome
and I question the value of having a line of text
read alpha
numerically.  NVDA already can read the current
word alpha
numerically.  I would think those who need such
would be far
better served by moving to the word they want
clarified and
using read current word.
 
As far as your problem is concerned, it will take
a little
getting used to, but you can work around the problem
and after
you get used to it. I would think it would become
easy once you
get used to it.  Press Read current line twice to
hear it
spelled.  Then, if you want to hear it spelled
again and it
hasn't finished being spelled, press control to
stop speech and
again issue read current line twice quickly. 
Pressing control
resets the command so pressing twice will always
cause the line
to be spelled.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----



From: nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05
PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new
features in
nvda 2017.2





i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi)
and
english.

i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda
only spells
the

line not with character discription!



On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee>
wrote:

> Hi,

> What language is this and what's the expected
behavior
please/

> Cheers,

> Joseph

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of nasrin

> khaksar

> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda
2017.2

>

> hello every one.

> there is one new thing added to the new version
of nvda which
is realy

> annoying for me.

> when i press nvdaup three times,

> • Performing the read current line command
three times
quickly spells the

> line with character descriptions.

> it bother me realy.

> how can i deactivate it and restore previous
behaviour?

> its very important for me if i want to use newer
versions of
nvda.

> i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

>

> --

> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the
creation.

> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

> in the very authentic narration is:

> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of
salvation.

> best website for studying islamic book in
different languages
al-islam.org

>

>

>

>

>

>

>





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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

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Re: Help with a Word Doc Form

Rob
 

Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
It's also very weird how the form fields themselves are working in the form you gave the link to. Once I land in a given field, I have to tab three times to go to the next one. During each of those three tabs the actual size of the form field displayed changes (at least if it's blank). This thing is a nightmare!!

I'm glad it's not just me doing something wrong then.
I'm able to get some of it filled out, but tabbing through doesn't always land you on the checkboxes. Then it talks about circling items. No--I think I'll have to print this out and get some eyeball help.
Thanks for looking.


Re: Help with a Word Doc Form

 

Rob,

         It's also very weird how the form fields themselves are working in the form you gave the link to.  Once I land in a given field, I have to tab three times to go to the next one.  During each of those three tabs the actual size of the form field displayed changes (at least if it's blank).  This thing is a nightmare!!
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Re: Help with a Word Doc Form

 

Several Observations:

This is a two page document, the first of which is entirely the instructions, contact information, etc., the second of which is a fillable form so if you tab you will (and really should) end up on page 2 first because that's where the first edit field is "Today's Date" followed by "Name of DeafBlind Applicant" and continuing from there.

The person who designed this thing, other than actually making it a fillable form, knew absolutely nothing about how to make a fillable form actually accessible.  The form opens in two-page display mode, which you'd never want for a screen reader user (or, as far as I'm concerned, anyone - I far prefer page by page starting with page one).   None of the form fields are identified such that what you've landed on will be announced by the screen reader nor do they have help text where if you press F1 it would be read.  When I do forms having these is an absolute requirement if the form is to be considered accessible.  It should also be a dotx (dot X) file, which is a document template, preferably, such that when you activate it to open it in word what you get is a blank form, but without modifying the original in case you need to do more than one or wish to throw away what you've already done and start over again.  When you finish you simply save and you will have a standard docx, as activating a dotx creates a fresh docx form for filling in.

See these two forms, which I have "anonymized" as far as their actual places of use:  Intake Form, Bus Note Form
These will download in protected mode, so when you open them the first time you will have to enable editing unless you already have protected mode turned off by default in Microsoft Word.

I believe, though, that I may have just discovered a bug in NVDA 2017.2.  I know these forms work because I've used them with my clients.  Somehow NVDA is getting "one form field behind" in what it's announcing while what comes up when you hit F1 on a given field is its actual help text, which matches what I have as alternate text which is what gets announced on most fields.


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Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

Laz
 

That's what it's supposed to do. Issue the command only twice to hear
what you want to hear.

Laz

On 6/23/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



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Re: NVDA and MS Office 365

 

Hi,
Office 365 is the subscription service that gives you access to latest Office builds. In other words, yes, Office 2016 is usable with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365

Noticed that Best Buy has Microsoft Office 365 home edition on sale today for $79.
Does NVDA work well with Office 365?
Thanks


IE

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

 
Using W10 and IE 11.
Noticing that NVDA is not working well with IE 11. What is going on? Works well with jjaws 8. This is recent. What I need to do? Thanks.
Holger Fiallo


Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

 

i agree with gene.
there is no need for addon just optional setting in preferences menu
of nvda i wish.

On 6/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If people are worried about having too many options in the various dialogs,
then another dialog could be made available from the NVDA menu called
something like rarely changed settings and people can be instructed to look
in that menu in the documentation if they want to see if something can be
changed that there is little demand for. It shouldn't take an add on for
something like this to be available.

I don't recall what was being discussed a few days ago as something that
should be user definable but it, too, could be in this menu. There really
should be a way, within NVDA itself, to accommodate such requests. Such
changes should be available within the program. Add ons in my opinion,
shouldn't have to be used to add to settings that can be changed in the
program. These are parameter changes affecting settings already in the
program itself.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


I haven't encountered the slow down requiring multiple NVDA+up arrow
presses, but it could be worth investigating particularly if we can narrow
down when it is happening.


If there is a want, as maybe by the comments there may be, to have the
ability to disable phonetic speaking, maybe it could be at least an addon,
such as "NoBeepsSpeechMode", if not a selectable option in NVDA itself.


Would someone like to file an issue?


On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:51 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:

i also have not issue with nvda copy the clipboard command.
the only issue with spelling.
if realy someone wants spell line phoneticly, and others dont, there
should be a setting for activating or deactivate this feature.
the optional setting that i can change when i need.


On 6/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know how many people asked for this feature. I believe I saw
one
> request for it here. The reason given for implementing it was to make
it
> consistent with other speech commands. There are times when consistency
is
> meaningless.
>
> Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in
the
> first place? It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification.
If
> some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user
> controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments
so
> far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to
> whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than
it
> helps. And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context.
Read
> current word and letter and read current line are used very differently
in
> general as far as I know by users than read current line.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless
it
> helps those with poor hearing.
>
> I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes
it
> needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart
of
> nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
> issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
> The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell
and
> three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here,
nvda
> gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
> Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda
keypad
>
> 5 command.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying
it
> shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented.
But
> having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having
a
> line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current
word
>
> alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far
better
> served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
> word.
>
> As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used
to,
>
> but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I
would
> think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read current
line
>
> twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it spelled again
and it
>
> hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again
issue
>
> read current line twice quickly. Pressing control resets the command
so
> pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
> i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
> line not with character discription!
>
> On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> nasrin
>> khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>>
>> hello every one.
>> there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
>> annoying for me.
>> when i press nvdaup three times,
>> • Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the
>> line with character descriptions.
>> it bother me realy.
>> how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
>> its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
>> i appreciate any help and God bless you all.
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org










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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


NVDA and MS Office 365

Don H
 

Noticed that Best Buy has Microsoft Office 365 home edition on sale today for $79.
Does NVDA work well with Office 365?
Thanks


Re: Help with a Word Doc Form

Rob
 

Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
If you can upload it to somewhere that I can download it from I'd be happy to at least take a look. Others could as well.
You can find the form at
http://opopanax.net/DBCDS_App_FY18_Fillable.docx
Thanks for taking a look; I'm curious to see if it's just me.


Re: Help with a Word Doc Form

 

If you can upload it to somewhere that I can download it from I'd be happy to at least take a look.  Others could as well.

I have MS-Word 2010 and the latest NVDA but it would still be interesting if the behaviors you describe persist as described, change somehow that still isn't right, or are absent entirely.
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Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

Gene
 

If people are worried about having too many options in the various dialogs, then another dialog could be made available from the NVDA menu called something like rarely changed settings and people can be instructed to look in that menu in the documentation if they want to see if something can be changed that there is little demand for.  It shouldn't take an add on for something like this to be available. 
 
I don't recall what was being discussed a few days ago as something that should be user definable but it, too, could be in this menu.  There really should be a way, within NVDA itself, to accommodate such requests.  Such changes should be available within the program.  Add ons in my opinion, shouldn't have to be used to add to settings that can be changed in the program.  These are parameter changes affecting settings already in the program itself. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

I haven't encountered the slow down requiring multiple NVDA+up arrow presses, but it could be worth investigating particularly if we can narrow down when it is happening.

If there is a want, as maybe by the comments there may be, to have the ability to disable phonetic speaking, maybe it could be at least an addon, such as "NoBeepsSpeechMode", if not a selectable option in NVDA itself.

Would someone like to file an issue?

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:51 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i also have not issue with nvda copy the clipboard command.
the only issue with spelling.
if realy someone wants spell line phoneticly, and others dont, there
should be a setting for activating or deactivate this feature.
the optional setting that i can change when i need.

On 6/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know how many people asked for this feature.  I believe I saw one
> request for it here.  The reason given for implementing it was to make it
> consistent with other speech commands.  There are times when consistency is
> meaningless.
>
> Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in the
> first place?  It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification.  If
> some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user
> controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments so
> far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to
> whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than it
> helps.  And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context.  Read
> current word and letter and read current line are used very differently in
> general as far as I know by users than read current line.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless it
> helps those with poor hearing.
>
> I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes it
> needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart of
> nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
> issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
>  The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell and
> three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here, nvda
> gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
>  Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda keypad
>
> 5 command.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
> shouldn't be there.  I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented.  But
> having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a
> line of text read alpha numerically.  NVDA already can read the current word
>
> alpha numerically.  I would think those who need such would be far better
> served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
> word.
>
> As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to,
>
> but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would
> think it would become easy once you get used to it.  Press Read current line
>
> twice to hear it spelled.  Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it
>
> hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue
>
> read current line twice quickly.  Pressing control resets the command so
> pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
> i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
> line not with character discription!
>
> On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> nasrin
>> khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>>
>> hello every one.
>> there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
>> annoying for me.
>> when i press nvdaup three times,
>> • Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
>> line with character descriptions.
>> it bother me realy.
>> how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
>> its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
>> i appreciate any help and God bless you all.
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: NVDA and Google Chrome

Chris Mullins
 

My main reason for responding to your post was because you stated that you had to press Control+shift+b to activate the Bookmarks Toolbar before you could access it, which is not the case.  I took it that you favoured the Bookmarks Manager  because it could be opened using a single keystroke and the number of keystrokes required to get to a bookmark was an issue for you.  As this is clearly not the case, I must apologise for trying to be helpful.

 

Cheers

Chris       

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 24 June 2017 03:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

When you use the bookmarks manager, you arrow up/down through the bookmarks.  If you want to access one of the links you're on, simply pressing enter does the trick.  The bookmarks organizer works better for me, so that's what I use.  I don't particularly care for right/left arrows to navigate bookmarks, with down arrows to expand sections.  I much prefer the organizer, where I can simply arrow through my choices, and just press enter on the one I want knowing I don't have to hunt for the one I want in all those submenus.  There's a reason multiple methods of accessing bookmarks exist, and if you don't like the organizer, then don't use it.  I happen to not like the bookmarks bar, so use the organizer, and that's fine, that's the whole point of having multiple methods of doing things, you use the one that works best for you.

 

 

On 6/23/2017 7:12 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Ctrl+shift+o is the shortcut key to the Bookmarks Manager, which is used for organizing, importing and exporting bookmarks rather than accessing bookmarked pages.  It may present them in a long list but there is no first letter pick available so you could be tabbing forever.  I don’t understand what you mean by ‘activating bookmarks’ other than activating the Bookmarks Toolbar which, once activated remains so until you de-activate it.  The  alt+shift+b shortcut takes you straight to the toolbar, as does shift+F6.  F6 alone hass to be pressed twice as the first press puts you in the address bar.  As for the Bookmarks toolbar contents, these cannot be accessed using first letter pick and if not organized by yourself, do get grouped automatically by Chrome, I suspect due to horizontal space limitations. 

 

I’ve been playing around with bookmarks the last couple of days and have found that if I group bookmars into folders, I have 5 of them, these are displayed as sub menu items on the tool bar and when enter or down arrow is pressed, the menu opens vertically and has first letter pic available.  If you don’t want to have several folders, just create one and with a couple of keystrokes you be able to use first letter pic to zero in on any bookmark.  Pressing the applications key on a folder in the toolbar opens a context menu allowing various functions including adding the currently displayed site to the folder and opening a web page tab for every bookmark you have in the folder.  After being initially dismissive of the Bookmarks toolbar, due mainly to my own ignorance,  I have found it to be both accessible and easy to use.         

 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 22 June 2017 17:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

Once again, I have to restate this.

Using the activate bookmarks keystroke still requires an additional keystroke to get to the bookmark list, whether it be the alt-shift-b or the f6, or something else.  The navigation is with right/left arrows, to go through the bookmarks, and down/up arrows to expand/collapse different categories. as it classifies all book marks in groups, and some folks may not want that grouping. 

When using the control-shift-o keystroke, you're placed in a full-screen layout of the bookmarks, and you can simply tab to the list of bookmarks, then arrow up/down through the bookmarks to get to the one you want, and there are no subcategories, no expanding/collapsing is necessary, and all the bookmarks are in one long single list. 

There is the issue with double speech in that the speech reads the bookmark you just left, then the one that is currently highlighted, which can be annoying, but this should be fixable with some sort of highlight tracking modifications, or in the chrome NVDA module.  I've not made any attempt to do so, but it should be possible to have the speech read only the currently highlighted item instead of both of them.

In any case, these two views are presented in very different ways, and some folks may prefer one over the other, so a mention of both methods is not out of order here.

 

 

On 6/22/2017 10:43 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Or Alt-Shift-B will do it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 22 June 2017 03:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

It does indeed claim the control shift b hides or unhides the bookmarks bar, but that doesn't set focus to said bookmarks bar, for that, you either need to use control-f6, or control-shift-f6 depending on whether you are going forward or backward through the list. 

However, a more direct, and much more useful keystroke is control-shift-o, which does open the bookmark manager, which is most likely what most folks would expect when trying to get to the bookmarks.

So, while your control-shift-b command does exist in chrome, it doesn't actually bring you to your bookmarks, merely hides or unhides the bookmarks bar, which you still need to navigate to in order to do anything with it.  The keystroke most likely needed in this particular instance is control-shift-o, which opens the bookmarks manager, where you can add, remove, and access all of your bookmarks, which is more like the bookmark functionality in other browsers that is usually accessed with the control-b functionality.

 

 

On 6/21/2017 12:03 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, it’s all here:-

 

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/157179?hl=en-GB

 

Control-Shift-B hides or unhides the Bookmarks bar.

 

So you didn’t search too well <Big Smile>. That feature has been around for ages.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 20 June 2017 15:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

I'd have to bring my Windows 7 machine online and update to the latest Chrome.  I almost never use that machine online so it may have been added recently.  If so, no one on the list has mentioned it so the command appears to be almost unknown, if it is present.  In my version of Chrome, which is a number of months old, that command does nothing. 

 

Also, I did an Internet search a few months ago looking for such a command and I found no command.  So if it is present, it evidently is a recent addition.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

Hi Jean,

 

What’s wrong with Control-Shift-B?  Works for me every time.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 June 2017 15:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

After all these years, Chrome doesn't have such a shortcut.  You can open the menu with alt, press enter when the menu opens, type b and then press enter again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Don H

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:06 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Google Chrome

 

In both IE and Firefox there is a simple way to get to your favorites
with Alt A and Alt B.  Is there a hot key combination to open favorites
or bookmarks in google chrome?
Thanks

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 


Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

Quentin Christensen
 

I haven't encountered the slow down requiring multiple NVDA+up arrow presses, but it could be worth investigating particularly if we can narrow down when it is happening.

If there is a want, as maybe by the comments there may be, to have the ability to disable phonetic speaking, maybe it could be at least an addon, such as "NoBeepsSpeechMode", if not a selectable option in NVDA itself.

Would someone like to file an issue?

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:51 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i also have not issue with nvda copy the clipboard command.
the only issue with spelling.
if realy someone wants spell line phoneticly, and others dont, there
should be a setting for activating or deactivate this feature.
the optional setting that i can change when i need.

On 6/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know how many people asked for this feature.  I believe I saw one
> request for it here.  The reason given for implementing it was to make it
> consistent with other speech commands.  There are times when consistency is
> meaningless.
>
> Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in the
> first place?  It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification.  If
> some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user
> controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments so
> far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to
> whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than it
> helps.  And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context.  Read
> current word and letter and read current line are used very differently in
> general as far as I know by users than read current line.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless it
> helps those with poor hearing.
>
> I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes it
> needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart of
> nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
> issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
>  The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell and
> three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here, nvda
> gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
>  Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda keypad
>
> 5 command.
>  Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
> shouldn't be there.  I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented.  But
> having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a
> line of text read alpha numerically.  NVDA already can read the current word
>
> alpha numerically.  I would think those who need such would be far better
> served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
> word.
>
> As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to,
>
> but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would
> think it would become easy once you get used to it.  Press Read current line
>
> twice to hear it spelled.  Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it
>
> hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue
>
> read current line twice quickly.  Pressing control resets the command so
> pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
>
> i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
> i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
> line not with character discription!
>
> On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> nasrin
>> khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>>
>> hello every one.
>> there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
>> annoying for me.
>> when i press nvdaup three times,
>> • Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
>> line with character descriptions.
>> it bother me realy.
>> how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
>> its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
>> i appreciate any help and God bless you all.
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Bouncing again, just gott all this mornings back

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
I am seeing this as well. Every few days I am getting a message with a link I have to click to unbounce my email address.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Gone to site and unbounced. anyone else finding this every few days. I will have to resend every single email yet to bounce them back obviously means that there is no bouncing going on, which points to groups.io having issues not a problem my end.
Brian

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Help with a Word Doc Form

Rob
 

NVDA seems to skip all over the place when trying to fill out this form. When I open the document, for example, it lands on page two. When trying to use browse mode to peruse the document, it won't consistently stay on a line, or will stick to reading just one line. Tabbing in browse mode does not seem to always take you to the next field, and trying to use quicknav keys says
"Not supported in this document"
Would somebody be willing to take a look at the form and see if they can duplicate my findings?
I am using Word 2016 on Windows 10 with NVDA 2017.1.


Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

 

i also have not issue with nvda copy the clipboard command.
the only issue with spelling.
if realy someone wants spell line phoneticly, and others dont, there
should be a setting for activating or deactivate this feature.
the optional setting that i can change when i need.

On 6/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know how many people asked for this feature. I believe I saw one
request for it here. The reason given for implementing it was to make it
consistent with other speech commands. There are times when consistency is
meaningless.

Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in the
first place? It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification. If
some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user
controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments so
far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to
whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than it
helps. And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context. Read
current word and letter and read current line are used very differently in
general as far as I know by users than read current line.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless it
helps those with poor hearing.

I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes it
needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart of
nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell and
three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here, nvda
gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda keypad

5 command.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented. But
having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a
line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current word

alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far better
served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
word.

As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to,

but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would
think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read current line

twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it

hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue

read current line twice quickly. Pressing control resets the command so
pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
line not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

Gene
 

I don't know how many people asked for this feature.  I believe I saw one request for it here.  The reason given for implementing it was to make it consistent with other speech commands.  There are times when consistency is meaningless. 
 
Why would anyone want to hear an entire line read alphanumerically in the first place?  It is usually an isolated word that needs clarification.  If some people do benefit from this feature, perhaps it may be user controllable but I have serious questions, given two opposing comments so far, that it should be on by default and I have serious questions as to whether it impairs the user experience for more or far more people than it helps.  And, as I said, consistency is meaningless in this context.  Read current word and letter and read current line are used very differently in general as far as I know by users than read current line.
 
Gene
 

----- Original Message -----From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless it
helps those with poor hearing.

I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes it
needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart of
nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same
issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
 The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell and
three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here, nvda
gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
 Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda keypad
5 command.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it
shouldn't be there.  I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented.  But
having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a
line of text read alpha numerically.  NVDA already can read the current word
alpha numerically.  I would think those who need such would be far better
served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current
word.

As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to,
but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would
think it would become easy once you get used to it.  Press Read current line
twice to hear it spelled.  Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it
hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue
read current line twice quickly.  Pressing control resets the command so
pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
line not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
> khaksar
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2
>
> hello every one.
> there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
> annoying for me.
> when i press nvdaup three times,
> • Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
> line with character descriptions.
> it bother me realy.
> how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
> its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
> i appreciate any help and God bless you all.
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







Re: Finding headers doesn't work.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I thought he said that no single keys worked and he could not, in Braille only tell if browse mode was on or off or even if it existed. As tab obviously does work from his other comments this sounds like a problem with a de registred dll to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding headers doesn't work.


Hi


Is it only the headers? or all quick navigation keys? If you use the tab key what does it say does it speak each link it is on? or say unknown etc is it only in the browser where it is happening?


I had a problem where when i went into the browser it would say unknown the quick navigation keys would not work and say unknown, i would also down on the task bar have nvda say unknown down on the running applications part in windows 10 and also in mozilla thunderbird. It would do some other weird type of stuff.


are you having any problems like that? or is it more in the browser and does it happen in other browsers?


Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I am deaf-blind, and I use braille. I've checked the user guide and tried switching in and out of browse mode in
Firefox. The single-letter navigation keys such as h just don't work. The add-on manager says that Windows 10 App
Essentials is running. I've never had problems with the header keys before. this is very frustrating.

John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Gene New Zealand wrote:


hi


if you want to know which mode you are in on the net you can have this spoken out instead of the sounds.


press the ctrl + nvda key + the letter B

When this dialogue box appears tab down until you hear NvDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes and uncheck this box, then tab down to the ok button then press the enter key.


Now you should hear NVDA say browse mode where you can use ssingle letter navigation keys and focus mode when in a edit box. it can be switched between the 2 modes with the nvda key + space bar if you did not hear what it said.

Gene nz


On 6/23/2017 5:14 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

I've tried the header keys in firefox, Chrome and Edge. They don't work in any of them. How would I know if I am in
browse mode?

Thanks,
John

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:43:49PM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Hi John,

Which browser are you in? And are you definitely in Browse mode?

If you could give us some more information please, that would be great!

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM, John J. Boyer <
john.boyer@...<mailto:john.boyer@...><mailto:john.boyer@...><mailto:john.boyer@...>> wrote:



I had someone update my PC remotely. Among other things he installed the
Windows 10 Ap Essentials add-on. Now the keys
that are supposed to jump to headers, such as h 1, 2, etc. don't work.
Why is this, and what is the fix?

Thanks,
John

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Re: about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

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No I know, I've never managed to figure out a use for phonetics unless it helps those with poor hearing.

I have however discovered a problem at least with my system. sometimes it needs three presses to get the normal spell others only two. A restart of nvda fixes this but if the person with the original query has this same issue from time to time it could be why he is getting a bit annoyed.
The true manner its supposed to work is nvda up arrow twice for spell and three times for phonetics etc. However as I say, occasionally here, nvda gets it wrong or does not register the presses, not sure.
Strange as I do not see the same issue on the copy to clipboard nvda keypad 5 command.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


I didn't understand why people wanted this feature and I'm not saying it shouldn't be there. I'd have to see the reasons it was implemented. But having said that, it seems cumbersome and I question the value of having a line of text read alpha numerically. NVDA already can read the current word alpha numerically. I would think those who need such would be far better served by moving to the word they want clarified and using read current word.

As far as your problem is concerned, it will take a little getting used to, but you can work around the problem and after you get used to it. I would think it would become easy once you get used to it. Press Read current line twice to hear it spelled. Then, if you want to hear it spelled again and it hasn't finished being spelled, press control to stop speech and again issue read current line twice quickly. Pressing control resets the command so pressing twice will always cause the line to be spelled.

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2


i experienced this new feature both in persian (farsi) and english.
i wish that how many times i press nvda+up arrow, nvda only spells the
line not with character discription!

On 6/23/17, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
What language is this and what's the expected behavior please/
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] about one of new features in nvda 2017.2

hello every one.
there is one new thing added to the new version of nvda which is realy
annoying for me.
when i press nvdaup three times,
• Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells the
line with character descriptions.
it bother me realy.
how can i deactivate it and restore previous behaviour?
its very important for me if i want to use newer versions of nvda.
i appreciate any help and God bless you all.

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al-islam.org