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locked about latex and nvda

 

hi every one.
someone introduced me a word processor which is very proffessional.
is it accessible for blind users?
it called latex.
if someone has experience about it, i appreciate your help and God
bless you all.

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Re: query

anthony borg
 

Hi all

 

I’m having a problem with Mozilla because evrytime I try to download a program from the internet it goes straight to the Mozilla library instead to the download folder,

 

So, can you tell me if there is a written tutorial of how make Mozilla to downloading them in to the download folder?

 

And if so, from where I can get it please?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 26 June 2017 02:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: query

 

hi

 

I do have a tutorial on using google chrome with nvda i think it is written and there is a audio version at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

When you go to that page jump down by headings until you get to the one on using google chrome with nvda.

 

it is not the one which was done by David but some one might post a link to his one as well.

 

gene nz

 

 

On 6/26/2017 12:07 PM, Hermann-Josef Kurzen wrote:

Hi, 
 
I am interested in the link for the tutorial about Chrome, too. 
Who ist able to provide the link?
 
 
Grettings - Hermann
 
 
 
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Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juni 2017 um 01:04 Uhr
Von: Arlene <nedster66@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7
 
Send me the link. I'll listen to the thing.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: June-25-17 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7
 
Chrome works fine with Win10.  Dave Moore made a nice tutorial to get you started.
If you cannot find it, let me know I will send you a link as it is a large file to email.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7
 
Same here! My new computer will be ten. That's why I'm going to get these things. Does crome work good with win 7? Or does it work better with ten? I know the latest version of NVDA works with it!
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: June-25-17 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7
 
Wow, thanks for this list.
 
While I am not going to use these on systems I do admin on, its nice to know that even though I have to use a lot of extra third party hacks, my workstation will behave normally.
 
 
 
 
On 26/06/2017 1:55 a.m., Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Folks,
 
Let me start this off by saying that Windows 10 is great. I have no 
problems with it. However, some parts of it just aren't what they used 
to be. Here is a list of programs that make Windows 10 behave more 
like Windows 7.
 
Classic Shell:
Classic Shell gives you the old classic start menu, among other things.
http://www.classicshell.net/
 
Old Task Manager:
When I first updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the first thing 
that really irritated me was the new task manager. It was slow, 
cumbersome and annoying. So, I found a quick, easy and safe way to get 
it back. Just download the file, unzip it, run setup, and let it guide 
you through the steps. You should choose full installation, and 
uncheck the desktop icon check boxes when they come up. Also, once the 
task manager is installed, open it by pressing CTRL+Shift+escape. Next 
press alt and locate the "options" menu item. Press enter, and locate 
the "Hide When Minimized" option and uncheck it by pressing enter.
Next, press alt again, and find the "View" subMenu. Press enter, and 
locate the "Update Speed" subMenu and press enter on it. Set this to 
normal by locating the menu item and pressing enter. That's it. You 
now have the classic task manager from Windows 7 in Windows 10.
http://www.noahcarver.com/files/tm_cfg_win8-win10.zip
 
UBitMenu (Not Tested Myself but have heard it works) UBitMenu makes 
itself a new tab in your MS Office ribbon menu. Just activate this tab 
and you have the classic menus from MS Office 2003 in your up-to-date 
copy of MS Office.
Note: Although I have not tested this myself, other users have 
reported this works with NVDA.
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/
 
Ribbon Disabler
Ribbon Disabler removes the ribbon tab from Windows Explorer, 
replacing it with the classic menu bar. Download the file, and unzip 
it. Next, look at the folder. If you are running a 64-bit copy of 
Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3 x64". If running a 
32-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3".
Once the program opens, click the button labeled "Disable Ribbon 
Explorer ". The program should ask you to log off. Do so, Next, log 
back on... and boom. To uninstall, just run the program you ran 
earlier. You will be presented with a button that says "Enable Ribbon 
Explorer". Click it. Again, you should be prompted to log off and back 
on. Your Windows Explorer should look normal again.
http://grossgang.com/utilities/RibbonDisabler.zip
 
Hope these utilities help you. If you have any questions, comments or 
suggestions on more programs to add to this list, please reply.
 
Noah T. Carver
http://noahcarver.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

Chris
 


another one is the  7+ taskbar tweaker

http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker

7+ Taskbar Tweaker allows you to configure various aspects of the Windows taskbar.
Most of the configuration options it provides can’t be tweaked using the taskbar properties or the registry.
The tweaker is designed for Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10.


accessible podcatchers?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

I'm looking for something that will play malty formats, like .ogg.

Ive tried QCast, but it doesn't remember where i left off, and if it does, the slider to move back and forward gets stuck.


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

It was enabled. I disabled it and that did not solve it.

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

I am stumped. I doubt the microsoft Access add-in is causing your problems. I wonder, what else gets disabled when you go into safe mode?

 

In addition, what is hardware acceleration set too? Check this in the options dialogue. I can’t remember where the setting is. If it is enabled, disable it and see if this improves things.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

I tried the utility you mentioned. Doesn’t have good access.

I only have this plugin showing up in outlook now:

Microsoft Access Outlook Add-in for Data Collection and Publishing

Still no resolution.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 12:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

See if the suggestions at the below link help.

https://www.outlook-apps.com/remove-outlook-add-ins/

Pranav


Re: NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Sam,

 

I am stumped. I doubt the microsoft Access add-in is causing your problems. I wonder, what else gets disabled when you go into safe mode?

 

In addition, what is hardware acceleration set too? Check this in the options dialogue. I can’t remember where the setting is. If it is enabled, disable it and see if this improves things.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

I tried the utility you mentioned. Doesn’t have good access.

I only have this plugin showing up in outlook now:

Microsoft Access Outlook Add-in for Data Collection and Publishing

Still no resolution.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 12:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Issues with Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sam,

 

See if the suggestions at the below link help.

https://www.outlook-apps.com/remove-outlook-add-ins/

Pranav


Re: Complete range of vocalizer expressive V2.2 voices

Rui Fontes
 

Both Vocalizer voices packages, our or Code Factory, are sold as a full package, meaning that the license grants access to all voices and variants available in the package.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
www.vocalizer-nvda.com


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Георги Ламбов
Data: 26 de junho de 2017 09:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Complete range of vocalizer expressive V2.2 voices



Hi Stanley!

For jaws the voices are free. For NvdA you have to buy any of them or several of your choice.

regards

Georgi




На 26.6.2017 г. в 02:57 ч., Stanley Haupt написа:


Are the voices free, or must you purchase them? I am not acquainted with the Blind Help Project.



Stanley


Re: Do I need the Java Access Bridge? Re: [nvda] To the deaf blind person with browse mode issues..

Gene
 

The JAVA access bridge has no effect on what NVDA sees or does unless you are running an actual JAVA program.  Most people don't have the JAVA Access Bridge and it makes no difference.  Your problem is caused by something else.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 4:55 AM
Subject: Do I need the Java Access Bridge? Re: [nvda] To the deaf blind person with browse mode issues..

I turned off the audio indication. My Braille display is now showing changes from browse mode to focus mode and vice
versa. I restarted NVDA and looked at the Log viewer. There was a warning that the Java access bridge was not
available. Could this account for the fact that the header and other quick nhavigation keys do not work and also for the
fact that NVDA is having trouble detecting which window is active. it won't switch from a closed window to the active
one until a dialog box comes up in the active one.

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 09:46:42AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> jamie says this.
>
> If you turn off "Audio indication of focus and browse modes", a message will
> be used instead. That message is presented in both speech and braille.
>
>
>
>
>

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Do I need the Java Access Bridge? Re: [nvda] To the deaf blind person with browse mode issues..

John J. Boyer
 

I turned off the audio indication. My Braille display is now showing changes from browse mode to focus mode and vice
versa. I restarted NVDA and looked at the Log viewer. There was a warning that the Java access bridge was not
available. Could this account for the fact that the header and other quick nhavigation keys do not work and also for the
fact that NVDA is having trouble detecting which window is active. it won't switch from a closed window to the active
one until a dialog box comes up in the active one.

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 09:46:42AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
jamie says this.

If you turn off "Audio indication of focus and browse modes", a message will
be used instead. That message is presented in both speech and braille.




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Re: List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

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Its a shame that the tool does not offer a silent command line version so one can run it on boot up without it going on and off like a toggle. Then every time windows does a major update it could be installed. However this is a bit off topic for here.
I'd also like Windows 10 to have an ignore out of date software option for updates as there are a number of pieces of software that run fine but Windows hates and confines them to the old windows folders mucking up their install and usage paths in the process. This can be very annoying if its an email program like Outlook Express when they offer such a crippled one free by default.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7


Hmmm I have heard of a program called old new explorer but have had no experience with it.

I also know about ribbon disabler and windows update, every time I update I guess I need to rerun the tool, that sucks but its better than nothing I suppose.




On 26/06/2017 8:35 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
A word of warning about the ribbon disabler though. If windows does a bit update it is turned off. Also some of the options to make all folders look like this one do not work correctly. Mind you they have a strange logic in windows 10 in any case so I guess this could be a Microsoft logic thing.
I also find Master Seeker a very nice way to find stuff in windows as its a good deal faster than the explorer system even on windows 7.

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7


Wow, thanks for this list.

While I am not going to use these on systems I do admin on, its nice to know that even though I have to use a lot of extra third party hacks, my workstation will behave normally.




On 26/06/2017 1:55 a.m., Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Folks,

Let me start this off by saying that Windows 10 is great. I have no problems with it. However, some parts of it just aren't what they used to be. Here is a list of programs that make Windows 10 behave more like Windows 7.

Classic Shell:
Classic Shell gives you the old classic start menu, among other things.
http://www.classicshell.net/

Old Task Manager:
When I first updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the first thing that really irritated me was the new task manager. It was slow, cumbersome and annoying. So, I found a quick, easy and safe way to get it back. Just download the file, unzip it, run setup, and let it guide you through the steps. You should choose full installation, and uncheck the desktop icon check boxes when they come up. Also, once the task manager is installed, open it by pressing CTRL+Shift+escape. Next press alt and locate the "options" menu item. Press enter, and locate the "Hide When Minimized" option and uncheck it by pressing enter. Next, press alt again, and find the "View" subMenu. Press enter, and locate the "Update Speed" subMenu and press enter on it. Set this to normal by locating the menu item and pressing enter. That's it. You now have the classic task manager from Windows 7 in Windows 10.
http://www.noahcarver.com/files/tm_cfg_win8-win10.zip

UBitMenu (Not Tested Myself but have heard it works)
UBitMenu makes itself a new tab in your MS Office ribbon menu. Just activate this tab and you have the classic menus from MS Office 2003 in your up-to-date copy of MS Office.
Note: Although I have not tested this myself, other users have reported this works with NVDA.
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/

Ribbon Disabler
Ribbon Disabler removes the ribbon tab from Windows Explorer, replacing it with the classic menu bar. Download the file, and unzip it. Next, look at the folder. If you are running a 64-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3 x64". If running a 32-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3". Once the program opens, click the button labeled "Disable Ribbon Explorer ". The program should ask you to log off. Do so, Next, log back on... and boom. To uninstall, just run the program you ran earlier. You will be presented with a button that says "Enable Ribbon Explorer". Click it. Again, you should be prompted to log off and back on. Your Windows Explorer should look normal again.
http://grossgang.com/utilities/RibbonDisabler.zip

Hope these utilities help you. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions on more programs to add to this list, please reply.

Noah T. Carver
http://noahcarver.com








To the deaf blind person with browse mode issues..

Brian's Mail list account
 

jamie says this.

If you turn off "Audio indication of focus and browse modes", a message will be used instead. That message is presented in both speech and braille.


Re: NVDA and MS Office 365

 

Hmmm thats good to know.

I do have a fully licenced version of office xp so if I ever needed it I could use it but probably wouldn't.

Has anyone tried wps its chinese and came out in 1997.

There was 1, there is always 1 site claming that it is installed with extras and that its full of spyware and it should be removed and then you need to reformat the system to make sure its gone, but I havn't seen that happen.

From all accounts, the subscription which is 30 bucks a year gives you full access to office like programs for both pcs and mobile phones.

its 80 dollars for the pc full licence.

The only restriction is that for free users there is a mark placed on printed documents however unless you need to print things a lot it probably matters zilch.

I must say though the only time I had to use excell it was to open a bunch of excell files for some worksheet printing for my mum and I did that on my dads office cloud box and that was fine.

For just about everything else I use jarte pluss which is 35 dollars for lifetime use.

Even then I don't really use a word processer, as a tester, admin, and semi retired light hacker my work is with text files in notepad, reading a few document briefs in jarte, using adobe reader for pdfs, thunderbird for emails and loads on loads of web forms, servey sites, google forms and google documents and loads and loads of online reports through web portals and generaters.

Its been at least 15 years since I needed to touch a word document or an office file for real and to be brootally honest I don't miss it a bit.

On 26/06/2017 8:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Office XP word works on 10 for us, but apparently looks a bit strange to the sighted due to resolution issues. Xcel works the same but Access hangs and you have to use a runtime.

Other bits I do not use but office tools canning seems to work.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365


Well to be honest unless you use excell I use jarte pluss and that works.

office 2010 and 2007 are still supported offices and still use bits of the older interface.

I still have an old fully legal coppy of office xp but its not going to work on 10 is it, unless there is a way.

Then again jarte and the right converters are all I need I don't need the rest.

I have heard about wps office which is a 30 dollar subscription also a free one if you don't mind your documents being marked, you can also buy a lifetime licence for 1 pc for 80 dollars, the 30 per year subscription gives you smart phone access.

Aparently its been round since 1997 and is chinese owned but I am unsure if it is accessible or not.

Its still cheaper per system than ms office is to be honest though.

Where something like 365 does come in is if you have multiple devices, use onedrive and make a lot of skype calls.

There are subscriptions that will make it worth your while.

While I have not found out how to do it with dropbox google drive has a plugin for direct saving to google drive and I have installed it.

Pluss it appears ms office has a few free programs.

sway, todo, lens and one note are all free programs for just about everything.

A standard user only needs the home version which is only about 140 dollars.

The business versions have things like powerpoint publisher, access and outlook the home version is word powerpoint and excell which is about all everyone needs to be honest.

If you do work in a company there is the home use program and this is how the family bar me use to have office on their systems.




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To be honest unless somebody really really needs the new stuff in every new office program, its not worth it to upgrade. many of my machines still use Word 2002 or 2003 and they do all I need. Its a great pity Microsoft used docx files but there are conversion programs for those.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365


You can still buy Office 2016 as a standalone purchase (rather than Office
365 subscription). That works exactly the same as Office 365 for now - of
course when Office 2018 or whatever the next version is comes out, you
won't get that if you buy the full Office 2016, but in any case, NVDA works
with either variant.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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I'd always go for the boxed product myself not the sub version.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365


Hi,
Office 365 is the subscription service that gives you access to latest
Office builds. In other words, yes, Office 2016 is usable with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365

Noticed that Best Buy has Microsoft Office 365 home edition on sale today
for $79.
Does NVDA work well with Office 365?
Thanks










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Chrome tutorial, was Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

Brian's Mail list account
 

Please remember to make sure you post replies on topic or change the topic accordingly.
Ta.
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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7


Hi,

I am interested in the link for the tutorial about Chrome, too.
Who ist able to provide the link?


Grettings - Hermann



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Gesendet: Montag, 26. Juni 2017 um 01:04 Uhr
Von: Arlene <nedster66@...>
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

Send me the link. I'll listen to the thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: June-25-17 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

Chrome works fine with Win10. Dave Moore made a nice tutorial to get you started.
If you cannot find it, let me know I will send you a link as it is a large file to email.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

Same here! My new computer will be ten. That's why I'm going to get these things. Does crome work good with win 7? Or does it work better with ten? I know the latest version of NVDA works with it!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: June-25-17 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

Wow, thanks for this list.

While I am not going to use these on systems I do admin on, its nice to know that even though I have to use a lot of extra third party hacks, my workstation will behave normally.




On 26/06/2017 1:55 a.m., Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Folks,

Let me start this off by saying that Windows 10 is great. I have no
problems with it. However, some parts of it just aren't what they used
to be. Here is a list of programs that make Windows 10 behave more
like Windows 7.

Classic Shell:
Classic Shell gives you the old classic start menu, among other things.
http://www.classicshell.net/

Old Task Manager:
When I first updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the first thing
that really irritated me was the new task manager. It was slow,
cumbersome and annoying. So, I found a quick, easy and safe way to get
it back. Just download the file, unzip it, run setup, and let it guide
you through the steps. You should choose full installation, and
uncheck the desktop icon check boxes when they come up. Also, once the
task manager is installed, open it by pressing CTRL+Shift+escape. Next
press alt and locate the "options" menu item. Press enter, and locate
the "Hide When Minimized" option and uncheck it by pressing enter.
Next, press alt again, and find the "View" subMenu. Press enter, and
locate the "Update Speed" subMenu and press enter on it. Set this to
normal by locating the menu item and pressing enter. That's it. You
now have the classic task manager from Windows 7 in Windows 10.
http://www.noahcarver.com/files/tm_cfg_win8-win10.zip

UBitMenu (Not Tested Myself but have heard it works) UBitMenu makes
itself a new tab in your MS Office ribbon menu. Just activate this tab
and you have the classic menus from MS Office 2003 in your up-to-date
copy of MS Office.
Note: Although I have not tested this myself, other users have
reported this works with NVDA.
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/

Ribbon Disabler
Ribbon Disabler removes the ribbon tab from Windows Explorer,
replacing it with the classic menu bar. Download the file, and unzip
it. Next, look at the folder. If you are running a 64-bit copy of
Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3 x64". If running a
32-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3".
Once the program opens, click the button labeled "Disable Ribbon
Explorer ". The program should ask you to log off. Do so, Next, log
back on... and boom. To uninstall, just run the program you ran
earlier. You will be presented with a button that says "Enable Ribbon
Explorer". Click it. Again, you should be prompted to log off and back
on. Your Windows Explorer should look normal again.
http://grossgang.com/utilities/RibbonDisabler.zip

Hope these utilities help you. If you have any questions, comments or
suggestions on more programs to add to this list, please reply.

Noah T. Carver
http://noahcarver.com


















Re: List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

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In explorer, nothing is lost except what I mentioned about the quirky way make other folders of this type look like this one.
In Word, not tried that one myself as still using old word with conversion software as the new features are not things I need.

To be honest, I imagine the writters of the ribbon removers will have explored all the options.
I remember reading an article about it a couple of years back now.
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I don't know if this is the case in any programs or parts of Windows discussed but are any features lost by reverting in this way? I don't use Word, but it is so differently organized in ribbon versions and there are so many settings that I can't help but wonder if access to some features or settings is lost. In Windows Explorer, I gather from the little I've read that there are new functions available and again, I wonder if any are lost. But if anything is lost anywhere, that should be discussed.

Gene
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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7


Wow, thanks for this list.

While I am not going to use these on systems I do admin on, its nice to
know that even though I have to use a lot of extra third party hacks, my
workstation will behave normally.




On 26/06/2017 1:55 a.m., Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Folks,

Let me start this off by saying that Windows 10 is great. I have no
problems with it. However, some parts of it just aren't what they used
to be. Here is a list of programs that make Windows 10 behave more
like Windows 7.

Classic Shell:
Classic Shell gives you the old classic start menu, among other things.
http://www.classicshell.net/

Old Task Manager:
When I first updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the first thing
that really irritated me was the new task manager. It was slow,
cumbersome and annoying. So, I found a quick, easy and safe way to get
it back. Just download the file, unzip it, run setup, and let it guide
you through the steps. You should choose full installation, and
uncheck the desktop icon check boxes when they come up. Also, once the
task manager is installed, open it by pressing CTRL+Shift+escape. Next
press alt and locate the "options" menu item. Press enter, and locate
the "Hide When Minimized" option and uncheck it by pressing enter.
Next, press alt again, and find the "View" subMenu. Press enter, and
locate the "Update Speed" subMenu and press enter on it. Set this to
normal by locating the menu item and pressing enter. That's it. You
now have the classic task manager from Windows 7 in Windows 10.
http://www.noahcarver.com/files/tm_cfg_win8-win10.zip

UBitMenu (Not Tested Myself but have heard it works)
UBitMenu makes itself a new tab in your MS Office ribbon menu. Just
activate this tab and you have the classic menus from MS Office 2003
in your up-to-date copy of MS Office.
Note: Although I have not tested this myself, other users have
reported this works with NVDA.
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/

Ribbon Disabler
Ribbon Disabler removes the ribbon tab from Windows Explorer,
replacing it with the classic menu bar. Download the file, and unzip
it. Next, look at the folder. If you are running a 64-bit copy of
Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3 x64". If running a
32-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3".
Once the program opens, click the button labeled "Disable Ribbon
Explorer ". The program should ask you to log off. Do so, Next, log
back on... and boom. To uninstall, just run the program you ran
earlier. You will be presented with a button that says "Enable Ribbon
Explorer". Click it. Again, you should be prompted to log off and back
on. Your Windows Explorer should look normal again.
http://grossgang.com/utilities/RibbonDisabler.zip

Hope these utilities help you. If you have any questions, comments or
suggestions on more programs to add to this list, please reply.

Noah T. Carver
http://noahcarver.com




Re: List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

 

Hmmm I have heard of a program called old new explorer but have had no experience with it.

I also know about ribbon disabler and windows update, every time I update I guess I need to rerun the tool, that sucks but its better than nothing I suppose.

On 26/06/2017 8:35 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
A word of warning about the ribbon disabler though. If windows does a bit update it is turned off. Also some of the options to make all folders look like this one do not work correctly. Mind you they have a strange logic in windows 10 in any case so I guess this could be a Microsoft logic thing.
I also find Master Seeker a very nice way to find stuff in windows as its a good deal faster than the explorer system even on windows 7.

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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7


Wow, thanks for this list.

While I am not going to use these on systems I do admin on, its nice to know that even though I have to use a lot of extra third party hacks, my workstation will behave normally.




On 26/06/2017 1:55 a.m., Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Folks,

Let me start this off by saying that Windows 10 is great. I have no problems with it. However, some parts of it just aren't what they used to be. Here is a list of programs that make Windows 10 behave more like Windows 7.

Classic Shell:
Classic Shell gives you the old classic start menu, among other things.
http://www.classicshell.net/

Old Task Manager:
When I first updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the first thing that really irritated me was the new task manager. It was slow, cumbersome and annoying. So, I found a quick, easy and safe way to get it back. Just download the file, unzip it, run setup, and let it guide you through the steps. You should choose full installation, and uncheck the desktop icon check boxes when they come up. Also, once the task manager is installed, open it by pressing CTRL+Shift+escape. Next press alt and locate the "options" menu item. Press enter, and locate the "Hide When Minimized" option and uncheck it by pressing enter. Next, press alt again, and find the "View" subMenu. Press enter, and locate the "Update Speed" subMenu and press enter on it. Set this to normal by locating the menu item and pressing enter. That's it. You now have the classic task manager from Windows 7 in Windows 10.
http://www.noahcarver.com/files/tm_cfg_win8-win10.zip

UBitMenu (Not Tested Myself but have heard it works)
UBitMenu makes itself a new tab in your MS Office ribbon menu. Just activate this tab and you have the classic menus from MS Office 2003 in your up-to-date copy of MS Office.
Note: Although I have not tested this myself, other users have reported this works with NVDA.
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/

Ribbon Disabler
Ribbon Disabler removes the ribbon tab from Windows Explorer, replacing it with the classic menu bar. Download the file, and unzip it. Next, look at the folder. If you are running a 64-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3 x64". If running a 32-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3". Once the program opens, click the button labeled "Disable Ribbon Explorer ". The program should ask you to log off. Do so, Next, log back on... and boom. To uninstall, just run the program you ran earlier. You will be presented with a button that says "Enable Ribbon Explorer". Click it. Again, you should be prompted to log off and back on. Your Windows Explorer should look normal again.
http://grossgang.com/utilities/RibbonDisabler.zip

Hope these utilities help you. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions on more programs to add to this list, please reply.

Noah T. Carver
http://noahcarver.com







Re: NVDA and MS Office 365

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Office XP word works on 10 for us, but apparently looks a bit strange to the sighted due to resolution issues. Xcel works the same but Access hangs and you have to use a runtime.

Other bits I do not use but office tools canning seems to work.
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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365


Well to be honest unless you use excell I use jarte pluss and that works.

office 2010 and 2007 are still supported offices and still use bits of the older interface.

I still have an old fully legal coppy of office xp but its not going to work on 10 is it, unless there is a way.

Then again jarte and the right converters are all I need I don't need the rest.

I have heard about wps office which is a 30 dollar subscription also a free one if you don't mind your documents being marked, you can also buy a lifetime licence for 1 pc for 80 dollars, the 30 per year subscription gives you smart phone access.

Aparently its been round since 1997 and is chinese owned but I am unsure if it is accessible or not.

Its still cheaper per system than ms office is to be honest though.

Where something like 365 does come in is if you have multiple devices, use onedrive and make a lot of skype calls.

There are subscriptions that will make it worth your while.

While I have not found out how to do it with dropbox google drive has a plugin for direct saving to google drive and I have installed it.

Pluss it appears ms office has a few free programs.

sway, todo, lens and one note are all free programs for just about everything.

A standard user only needs the home version which is only about 140 dollars.

The business versions have things like powerpoint publisher, access and outlook the home version is word powerpoint and excell which is about all everyone needs to be honest.

If you do work in a company there is the home use program and this is how the family bar me use to have office on their systems.




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To be honest unless somebody really really needs the new stuff in every new office program, its not worth it to upgrade. many of my machines still use Word 2002 or 2003 and they do all I need. Its a great pity Microsoft used docx files but there are conversion programs for those.
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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365


You can still buy Office 2016 as a standalone purchase (rather than Office
365 subscription). That works exactly the same as Office 365 for now - of
course when Office 2018 or whatever the next version is comes out, you
won't get that if you buy the full Office 2016, but in any case, NVDA works
with either variant.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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I'd always go for the boxed product myself not the sub version.
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365


Hi,
Office 365 is the subscription service that gives you access to latest
Office builds. In other words, yes, Office 2016 is usable with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and MS Office 365

Noticed that Best Buy has Microsoft Office 365 home edition on sale today
for $79.
Does NVDA work well with Office 365?
Thanks










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Re: List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7

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A word of warning about the ribbon disabler though. If windows does a bit update it is turned off. Also some of the options to make all folders look like this one do not work correctly. Mind you they have a strange logic in windows 10 in any case so I guess this could be a Microsoft logic thing.
I also find Master Seeker a very nice way to find stuff in windows as its a good deal faster than the explorer system even on windows 7.

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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] List of Utilities that Make Windows 10 More Like Windows 7


Wow, thanks for this list.

While I am not going to use these on systems I do admin on, its nice to know that even though I have to use a lot of extra third party hacks, my workstation will behave normally.




On 26/06/2017 1:55 a.m., Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Folks,

Let me start this off by saying that Windows 10 is great. I have no problems with it. However, some parts of it just aren't what they used to be. Here is a list of programs that make Windows 10 behave more like Windows 7.

Classic Shell:
Classic Shell gives you the old classic start menu, among other things.
http://www.classicshell.net/

Old Task Manager:
When I first updated from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the first thing that really irritated me was the new task manager. It was slow, cumbersome and annoying. So, I found a quick, easy and safe way to get it back. Just download the file, unzip it, run setup, and let it guide you through the steps. You should choose full installation, and uncheck the desktop icon check boxes when they come up. Also, once the task manager is installed, open it by pressing CTRL+Shift+escape. Next press alt and locate the "options" menu item. Press enter, and locate the "Hide When Minimized" option and uncheck it by pressing enter. Next, press alt again, and find the "View" subMenu. Press enter, and locate the "Update Speed" subMenu and press enter on it. Set this to normal by locating the menu item and pressing enter. That's it. You now have the classic task manager from Windows 7 in Windows 10.
http://www.noahcarver.com/files/tm_cfg_win8-win10.zip

UBitMenu (Not Tested Myself but have heard it works)
UBitMenu makes itself a new tab in your MS Office ribbon menu. Just activate this tab and you have the classic menus from MS Office 2003 in your up-to-date copy of MS Office.
Note: Although I have not tested this myself, other users have reported this works with NVDA.
http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/

Ribbon Disabler
Ribbon Disabler removes the ribbon tab from Windows Explorer, replacing it with the classic menu bar. Download the file, and unzip it. Next, look at the folder. If you are running a 64-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3 x64". If running a 32-bit copy of Windows 10, run the file called "Ribbon disabler3". Once the program opens, click the button labeled "Disable Ribbon Explorer ". The program should ask you to log off. Do so, Next, log back on... and boom. To uninstall, just run the program you ran earlier. You will be presented with a button that says "Enable Ribbon Explorer". Click it. Again, you should be prompted to log off and back on. Your Windows Explorer should look normal again.
http://grossgang.com/utilities/RibbonDisabler.zip

Hope these utilities help you. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions on more programs to add to this list, please reply.

Noah T. Carver
http://noahcarver.com




Re: An Amazon.co.uk. query

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Did that already.
I'm suspicious my account has become corrupted. Since it only gives the last four digits of my card number it occurred to me that if this has been corrupted I'd not know at all.
it was working a month back.
So much for reliability.
I'm only guessing that add to basket might not show up if the account details are damaged. does anyone know if this is the case. I'd expect the option to be there but inoperable not missing altogether though.
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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An Amazon.co.uk. query


Just made a purchase yesterday with no problems. Maybe I do it the hard way but I simply go to the top of the page and then do a NVDA search for add and find the add to cart button. Same thing to find the proceed to checkout.

On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, Chris wrote:
Its a add to basket button

If you use your navigation keys you will find it

*From: *Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent: *25 June 2017 19:53
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] An Amazon.co.uk. query

I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about in regards to payment

options, but I've noticed that the add to, like add to cart or add to

list, are radio buttons and once you check they they either do it, in

the case of add to list then a dialogue box box pops up that I

generally just hit escape to get out of, or add to cart where you have

to hit the submit query (at least that is what it says for me) to add

to cart. Just a warning it doesn't make any noise or refresh the page

when I do this, I'm using latest version of firefox, but when I

refreshed the page and go to my cart it will show that I have 1 item

in there.

I noticed that when I go to check out and select to change payment or

address there are radio buttons to pick an option

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> I've not shopped on amazon for a good while, lack of funds etc!

> However they seem to have cleaned up their site a bit, but no matter
what

> Item I view after logging in, there seems to be no add to basket link
or

> button. Help is as usual, no help at all.

> Now I have changed my payment card details but when I go into my
account

> the correct card is shown as active so I'm in a bit of a puzzled
state.

> Have they made the control something peculiar that Firefox cannot see
or

> what?

> All help gratefully received.

> I do wish companies would leave their sites alone.

> Brian

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Re: An Amazon.co.uk. query

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I did but its not there.
b wont work it says no other buttons and so nothing else works either.
I'm wondering if something has screwed up my account in some way, making something wrong so it won't add to a basket. I can see its got the right debit card listed but did not go further into my account than that. When you hit lists etc it says an error has occurred if this persists contact customer services. Not a great deal of use really. I'll have to leave it for now.
Maybe I need to remove myself completely and make me a new account. that would be a shame as there are historic orders in there that save a lot of time when you need to re order.
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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An Amazon.co.uk. query


Its a add to basket button
If you use your navigation keys you will find it


From: Melissa Jean
Sent: 25 June 2017 19:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An Amazon.co.uk. query

I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about in regards to payment
options, but I've noticed that the add to, like add to cart or add to
list, are radio buttons and once you check they they either do it, in
the case of add to list then a dialogue box box pops up that I
generally just hit escape to get out of, or add to cart where you have
to hit the submit query (at least that is what it says for me) to add
to cart. Just a warning it doesn't make any noise or refresh the page
when I do this, I'm using latest version of firefox, but when I
refreshed the page and go to my cart it will show that I have 1 item
in there.

I noticed that when I go to check out and select to change payment or
address there are radio buttons to pick an option


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I've not shopped on amazon for a good while, lack of funds etc!
However they seem to have cleaned up their site a bit, but no matter what
Item I view after logging in, there seems to be no add to basket link or
button. Help is as usual, no help at all.
Now I have changed my payment card details but when I go into my account
the correct card is shown as active so I'm in a bit of a puzzled state.
Have they made the control something peculiar that Firefox cannot see or
what?
All help gratefully received.
I do wish companies would leave their sites alone.
Brian

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Re: An Amazon.co.uk. query

Steve Nutt
 

You can also hit B and it will take you there.  Works for me on amazon.co.uk.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: 25 June 2017 20:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An Amazon.co.uk. query

 

Its a add to basket button

If you use your navigation keys you will find it

 

 

From: Melissa Jean
Sent: 25 June 2017 19:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] An Amazon.co.uk. query

 

I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about in regards to payment

options, but I've noticed that the add to, like add to cart or add to

list, are radio buttons and once you check they they either do it, in

the case of add to list then a dialogue box box pops up that I

generally just hit escape to get out of, or add to cart where you have

to hit the submit query (at least that is what it says for me) to add

to cart. Just a warning it doesn't make any noise or refresh the page

when I do this, I'm using latest version of firefox, but when I

refreshed the page and go to my cart it will show that I have 1 item

in there.

 

I noticed that when I go to check out and select to change payment or

address there are radio buttons to pick an option

 

 

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<bglists@...> wrote:

> I've not shopped on amazon for a good while, lack of funds etc!

>  However they seem to have cleaned up their site a bit, but no matter what

> Item I view after logging in, there seems to be no add to basket link or

> button. Help is as usual, no help at all.

>  Now I have changed my payment card details but when I go into my account

> the correct card is shown as active so I'm in a bit of a  puzzled state.

> Have they made the control something peculiar that Firefox cannot see or

> what?

>  All help gratefully received.

>  I do wish companies would leave their sites alone.

>  Brian

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