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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

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Perhaps its firing of ua events all over the place.
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


Hello!

Before that, even after Alt tabing away of the non responsive app, NVDA kept slow...
Now, after managing to exit the window of the non responsive app, NVDA behaves normally...

Making it to exit the offending window seems more difficult, if at all possible...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: nasrin khaksar
Data: 27 de junho de 2017 15:40
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

i studied whats new and there mentioned that this problem is solved in
nvda 2015.3
but i still have the issue and dont know the reason.
here its reffrence.
• When an application is responding slowly and you switch away from
that application, NVDA is now much more responsive in other
applications in most cases. (
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3831

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect this problem may not be solvable. We'll see what developers have
to say but I suspect that there is some sort of sequencing in which NVDA
receives information and that there is some reason that NVDA doesn't process
other information. But to a certain extent, this can be tested. Do other
screen-readers do this as well? I suspect that when NVDA expects
information from an application, it would cause problems to have other
applications be able to interrupt and have NVDA speak something and
normally, this wouldn't be wanted.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


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wrote:
Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file
and
the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then
there
is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.
The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not
the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole
computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen with
Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now
since I don't use it very often.




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Re: how to set email to gigest

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Go to


https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/editsub/331226


The instructions are in the preferences section. Hope this helps.

Tony


On 6/27/2017 10:05 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:

Hi Moderator,

I would like to set my NVDA list emails to digest. However,  I did not see where to do that.

Can you guide mein the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Before that, even after Alt tabing away of the non responsive app, NVDA kept slow...
Now, after managing to exit the window of the non responsive app, NVDA behaves normally...

Making it to exit the offending window seems more difficult, if at all possible...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: nasrin khaksar
Data: 27 de junho de 2017 15:40
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

i studied whats new and there mentioned that this problem is solved in
nvda 2015.3
but i still have the issue and dont know the reason.
here its reffrence.
• When an application is responding slowly and you switch away from
that application, NVDA is now much more responsive in other
applications in most cases. (
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3831

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect this problem may not be solvable. We'll see what developers have
to say but I suspect that there is some sort of sequencing in which NVDA
receives information and that there is some reason that NVDA doesn't process
other information. But to a certain extent, this can be tested. Do other
screen-readers do this as well? I suspect that when NVDA expects
information from an application, it would cause problems to have other
applications be able to interrupt and have NVDA speak something and
normally, this wouldn't be wanted.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


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wrote:
Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file
and
the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then
there
is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.
The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not
the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole
computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen with
Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now
since I don't use it very often.



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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

Laz
 

This happens to me occasionally when Chrome stops responding but was
even worse with Firefox. If I can manage to close Chrome NVDA starts
behaving again. I tried an experiment yesterday and instead of trying
to close Chrome I gave the alt control letter N command and NVDA
restarted and Chrome was no longer being reported as having stopped
responding. I"m using NVDA Version: 2017.2.

Laz

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i studied whats new and there mentioned that this problem is solved in
nvda 2015.3
but i still have the issue and dont know the reason.
here its reffrence.
• When an application is responding slowly and you switch away from
that application, NVDA is now much more responsive in other
applications in most cases. (
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3831

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect this problem may not be solvable. We'll see what developers
have
to say but I suspect that there is some sort of sequencing in which NVDA
receives information and that there is some reason that NVDA doesn't
process
other information. But to a certain extent, this can be tested. Do
other
screen-readers do this as well? I suspect that when NVDA expects
information from an application, it would cause problems to have other
applications be able to interrupt and have NVDA speak something and
normally, this wouldn't be wanted.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


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Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file
and
the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then
there
is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.
The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not
the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole
computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen
with
Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now
since I don't use it very often.




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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



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Re: Anyone know?

Steve Nutt
 

Nope, not at all.  Yesterday it read the list, today it doesn’t.  It is possible that an auto Office update broke it, but it has only broken NVDA, no other screen reader.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone know?

 

So what has changed in the meantime. One assumes you have done all the usual things like rebooting etc

Have you changed the view or done any updates etc?

 Brian


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From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:47 PM

Subject: [nvda] Anyone know?

 

Hi,

 

All of a sudden, NVDA has stopped reading the message list in Outlook 2016.  Window-Eyes, JAWS and Supernova, all read it fine.  Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

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Re: An interesting suggestion for NVDA.

Gene
 

Some computers let you change this setting somewhere in Windows. Maybe its in the accessibility center.  If that option isn't available, I don't know if there is any alternative to having a sighted person change the BIOS setting.  I suspect that, until this can be done, you could tape down the FN key while the computer is running and untape it before shutting down.  I don't know if it would cause problems to have it taped down during boot up and shut down but I don't see how this would cause a problem during the session.  Ameturish and crude, but sometimes such means are useful.  Even sighted people cover their cameras with tape to prevent spying.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An interesting suggestion for NVDA.

I was also a bit annoyed to find so many laptops on sale where the function keys are no longer function keys and in order to become them need a custom key labelled fn tobe held down, making some commands almost impossible. Unfortuunately with a lot of these things these days you seem to need a sighted person to fix such things as the only way to do it is in the bios or whatever its called these days Gaming and media playing seem to have hijacked standard keyboard functions.
 In the old days one could alter a text file used at boot up to say things liik
 numlock=off
 to change how a machine boots up its a great pity that this functionallity was not brought up to date  on machines so we could change them easily.
 Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An interesting suggestion for NVDA.

Hi Florian,

If you setup NVDA to use the "Laptop" keyboard layout, it uses different keystrokes which don't expect a number pad.  Some of the other regular keystrokes are different too, such as NVDA+a to read all (instead of NVDA+down arrow) and NVDA+l to read the current line (rather than NVDA+up arrow).  Particularly see the following sections of the User Guide:


The other keys are scattered throughout the User Guide.

Regards

Quentin.



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Florian Ionașcu <florianionascu@...> wrote:
Hi everyone!
Do you know the functions of numpad keys? For example, Numpad5 Speaks
the word of the current navigator object where the review cursor is
situated. Pressing twice spells the word. Pressing three times spells
the word using character descriptions.
However, there is a problem. Some laptops such as laptops for gaming
don't have 2 home keys, 2 end keys and 2 page up and page down keys, or
they don't have a key for toggling the numlock on and off and they can
come with the numlock on as default, without providing the possibility
of its deactivation. What can you do in these situations?
Another question: Do you know the NVDA rotor that can be used with
NVDA+Control+arrows? Well, a member of Romanian community suggested the
adding of these functions to NVDA's rotor. What do you think about that?
Cheers,
Florian







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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

 

i studied whats new and there mentioned that this problem is solved in
nvda 2015.3
but i still have the issue and dont know the reason.
here its reffrence.
• When an application is responding slowly and you switch away from
that application, NVDA is now much more responsive in other
applications in most cases. (
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3831

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect this problem may not be solvable. We'll see what developers have
to say but I suspect that there is some sort of sequencing in which NVDA
receives information and that there is some reason that NVDA doesn't process
other information. But to a certain extent, this can be tested. Do other
screen-readers do this as well? I suspect that when NVDA expects
information from an application, it would cause problems to have other
applications be able to interrupt and have NVDA speak something and
normally, this wouldn't be wanted.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
wrote:
Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file
and
the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then
there
is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.
The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not
the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole
computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen with
Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now
since I don't use it very often.



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

Re: Sorry please ignore this

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That seems to have fixed it again. sulk.
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Subject: [nvda] Sorry please ignore this


I'm suspicious my account is not getting to the list this time.
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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

Gene
 

I suspect this problem may not be solvable.  We'll see what developers have to say but I suspect that there is some sort of sequencing in which NVDA receives information and that there is some reason that NVDA doesn't process other information.  But to a certain extent, this can be tested.  Do other screen-readers do this as well?  I suspect that when NVDA expects information from an application, it would cause problems to have other applications be able to interrupt and have NVDA speak something and normally, this wouldn't be wanted. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
> Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file and
> the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then there
> is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
> thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.

The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen with Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now since I don't use it very often.



Re: An interesting suggestion for NVDA.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 


I was also a bit annoyed to find so many laptops on sale where the function keys are no longer function keys and in order to become them need a custom key labelled fn tobe held down, making some commands almost impossible. Unfortuunately with a lot of these things these days you seem to need a sighted person to fix such things as the only way to do it is in the bios or whatever its called these days Gaming and media playing seem to have hijacked standard keyboard functions.
 In the old days one could alter a text file used at boot up to say things liik
 numlock=off
 to change how a machine boots up its a great pity that this functionallity was not brought up to date  on machines so we could change them easily.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] An interesting suggestion for NVDA.

Hi Florian,

If you setup NVDA to use the "Laptop" keyboard layout, it uses different keystrokes which don't expect a number pad.  Some of the other regular keystrokes are different too, such as NVDA+a to read all (instead of NVDA+down arrow) and NVDA+l to read the current line (rather than NVDA+up arrow).  Particularly see the following sections of the User Guide:


The other keys are scattered throughout the User Guide.

Regards

Quentin.



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Florian Ionașcu <florianionascu@...> wrote:
Hi everyone!
Do you know the functions of numpad keys? For example, Numpad5 Speaks
the word of the current navigator object where the review cursor is
situated. Pressing twice spells the word. Pressing three times spells
the word using character descriptions.
However, there is a problem. Some laptops such as laptops for gaming
don't have 2 home keys, 2 end keys and 2 page up and page down keys, or
they don't have a key for toggling the numlock on and off and they can
come with the numlock on as default, without providing the possibility
of its deactivation. What can you do in these situations?
Another question: Do you know the NVDA rotor that can be used with
NVDA+Control+arrows? Well, a member of Romanian community suggested the
adding of these functions to NVDA's rotor. What do you think about that?
Cheers,
Florian







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

Rob
 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file and
the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then there
is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure
thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.
The drive sleeping is not relevant here. It's an example of behavior, not the whole point of the message.
The point is that while the app is unresponsive, NVDA is too. The whole computer is not unresponsive, just that one app. I've seen this happen with Skype sometimes too, but I can't nail down a specific instance right now since I don't use it very often.

Re: how to set email to gigest

Dan Thompson
 

Thanks very much.  Sorry for the very serious mess up spelling of digest.  Glad you could figure out my error. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to set email to gigest

 

Here are the digest choices:

To switch to receiving plain digests, send a message to:
nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
To receive full featured digests, send a message to:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To return to single view, use the command

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:05 AM

Subject: [nvda] how to set email to gigest

 

Hi Moderator,

I would like to set my NVDA list emails to digest. However,  I did not see where to do that.

Can you guide mein the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: Anyone know?

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So what has changed in the meantime. One assumes you have done all the usual things like rebooting etc
Have you changed the view or done any updates etc?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Anyone know?

Hi,

 

All of a sudden, NVDA has stopped reading the message list in Outlook 2016.  Window-Eyes, JAWS and Supernova, all read it fine.  Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

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Off the top of my head I would say that if nvda needs access to a file and the drive is so slow and caching so small that there is a delay then there is going to be a delay no matter what you do. Best wolld be to make sure thedrives do not go to sleep in the first place.
Lots of people find this annoying and not all of them blind as other software is going to need access to files. I think I have been most surprised how much faster a given machine is whe an SSd is fitted instead of a normal hard drive so if your drive is stopping and no caching is used or its making use of a virtual memory swap file its going to cause massive issues. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA/Unresponsive Apps


Would it be possible to set it up so that, if an app stops responding, NVDA doesn't also stop?
Here's an example.
Note: this is not a definitive example, just the one that happened most recently prior to composing this message and is thus fresh in my mind.
I have drives in my computer that go to sleep when they aren't being accessed. If you try to access the drive, any program used to access them stalls until the drive wakes up, and NVDA stalls right along with it. The whole computer isn't stalled, just the foreground app and NVDA. I know this because I can alt tab out of the app and, for example, hit a key to start an audio file playing again. NVDA doesn't wake up again until the stalled app starts moving.
This is probably going to be another one of those situations where nobody else can pin it down, or: I can't duplicate this so you are on your own, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Sorry please ignore this

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I'm suspicious my account is not getting to the list this time.
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Re: how to set email to gigest

Gene
 

Here are the digest choices:
To switch to receiving plain digests, send a message to:
nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
To receive full featured digests, send a message to:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io
To return to single view, use the command
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] how to set email to gigest

Hi Moderator,

I would like to set my NVDA list emails to digest. However,  I did not see where to do that.

Can you guide mein the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

 

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how to set email to gigest

Dan Thompson
 

Hi Moderator,

I would like to set my NVDA list emails to digest. However,  I did not see where to do that.

Can you guide mein the right direction?

Thanks in advance.

 

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Romans 8:28, "And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who  love God and are called according to his purpose for them." (NLT)

Psalm 119:60, "I will hasten and not delay to obey your commands." (NIV)

 

Re: Blog Post: Top 5 NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Gene:

I agree with most of your comments about defaults in NVDA, except for
the Block Quotes. I think that although most people may not need such
a thing, some people might, and if they were off, these people
wouldn't know that they are there.
Those of us who know how to turn them off can easily do so.

By the way, thanks for that blog post, I just learned about some
features that I didn't know even existed.
Kevin Huber

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi gene.
thanks for your helpful informations.
i aggree with you about default settings.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you read using speak to end, it doesn't matter how many links there
are.
Reading is not affected. If you don't use read to end and down arrow
through the text, using screen layout may improve matters but it makes no
sense for people to read in that way.

Screen layout, according to brief comments I saw in an e-mail list
discussion years ago may make web forums easier to navigate but I
strongly
believe that the other option, placing links and controls on their own
lines
should be the default. Which raises the question of how it's decided
what
defaults should be? Clearly, using sounds instead of audio notification
of
browse or forms mode is not a good default, considering the number of new
users who will have no idea what such sounds mean and who have enough
trouble learning everything else without having sounds where audio
notification would help far more in learning and reinforcement. Save
settings on exit should not be the default. While learning and
experimenting, users might accidentally save settings they have no
intention
of saving. Why are block quotes set to be spoken? Almost no one cares
about such arcane marks.

As I said, who decides these sorts of things. Defaults should be
determined
by the needs of inexperienced users. If long time users don't know how
to
change such settings, they might get some incentive to learn more about
the
program.


Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog Post: Top 5 NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To
Know


i opened it with internet explorer and read it saved it as html.
thanks for your great tutorial.
but why is not compatible with firefox?
and could you please explane more why its better to use screen layout
in wikipedia?
its an interesting point and i did not know it.
i wish more and more these tips.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i tested with two versions of firefox and the result was error for
loading
page.
i tested with internet explorer and recieved this message!

This page contains both secure and nonsecure items.

Do you want to display the nonsecure items?
yes no

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
Could you try this with a different browser perhaps? The blog is
hosted on Wordpress, so I doubt WP would be giving any problems from
the server-side. Can someone else please test the functionality of the
URL I have provided in my earlier messages? Feedback from a third
party may help us in better understanding what exactly is going on.
Thanks.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i tested again today and does not work for me.
i tested both by enter in the link and also copying the link in a new
tab.

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
That is quite strange. The blog post has received successful
viewership from all places so far, and I am uncertain as to why it
might not be working at your end. Could you give it another try by
copying the URL into your browser's address bar -
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
?
Thanks.

On 6/26/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
thanks for your great post.
i tried it but it says problem loading page try again.
i tried it many times and the result is the same.
God bless you.

On 6/26/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,
All programs and software have some of those features which get
mentioned too rarely for what they are worth. Screen layout, audio
and
speech feedback for mode changes, customization of all NVDA sound
schemes, the unbound Document Formatting settings shortcuts and the
wide-ranging speech synthesizer support of the NVDA screen reader,
the
software package that enables my computer access, are my top 5
picks
for NVDA tips and tricks. Whether you are a novice to NVDA or a
proclaimed screen reading master, learn a few things anew by
checking
out my latest Hiking Across Horizons blog post titled ‘Top 5 NVDA
Tips
and Tricks You Need To Know’.
Post URL:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
Comments, shares, follows and feedback are always welcome. :)
Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or
www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Blog Post: Top 5 NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know

 

hi gene.
thanks for your helpful informations.
i aggree with you about default settings.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 6/27/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you read using speak to end, it doesn't matter how many links there are.
Reading is not affected. If you don't use read to end and down arrow
through the text, using screen layout may improve matters but it makes no
sense for people to read in that way.

Screen layout, according to brief comments I saw in an e-mail list
discussion years ago may make web forums easier to navigate but I strongly
believe that the other option, placing links and controls on their own lines
should be the default. Which raises the question of how it's decided what
defaults should be? Clearly, using sounds instead of audio notification of
browse or forms mode is not a good default, considering the number of new
users who will have no idea what such sounds mean and who have enough
trouble learning everything else without having sounds where audio
notification would help far more in learning and reinforcement. Save
settings on exit should not be the default. While learning and
experimenting, users might accidentally save settings they have no intention
of saving. Why are block quotes set to be spoken? Almost no one cares
about such arcane marks.

As I said, who decides these sorts of things. Defaults should be determined
by the needs of inexperienced users. If long time users don't know how to
change such settings, they might get some incentive to learn more about the
program.


Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blog Post: Top 5 NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know


i opened it with internet explorer and read it saved it as html.
thanks for your great tutorial.
but why is not compatible with firefox?
and could you please explane more why its better to use screen layout
in wikipedia?
its an interesting point and i did not know it.
i wish more and more these tips.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i tested with two versions of firefox and the result was error for
loading
page.
i tested with internet explorer and recieved this message!

This page contains both secure and nonsecure items.

Do you want to display the nonsecure items?
yes no

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
Could you try this with a different browser perhaps? The blog is
hosted on Wordpress, so I doubt WP would be giving any problems from
the server-side. Can someone else please test the functionality of the
URL I have provided in my earlier messages? Feedback from a third
party may help us in better understanding what exactly is going on.
Thanks.

On 6/27/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i tested again today and does not work for me.
i tested both by enter in the link and also copying the link in a new
tab.

On 6/27/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
That is quite strange. The blog post has received successful
viewership from all places so far, and I am uncertain as to why it
might not be working at your end. Could you give it another try by
copying the URL into your browser's address bar -
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
?
Thanks.

On 6/26/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
thanks for your great post.
i tried it but it says problem loading page try again.
i tried it many times and the result is the same.
God bless you.

On 6/26/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,
All programs and software have some of those features which get
mentioned too rarely for what they are worth. Screen layout, audio
and
speech feedback for mode changes, customization of all NVDA sound
schemes, the unbound Document Formatting settings shortcuts and the
wide-ranging speech synthesizer support of the NVDA screen reader,
the
software package that enables my computer access, are my top 5 picks
for NVDA tips and tricks. Whether you are a novice to NVDA or a
proclaimed screen reading master, learn a few things anew by
checking
out my latest Hiking Across Horizons blog post titled ‘Top 5 NVDA
Tips
and Tricks You Need To Know’.
Post URL:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
Comments, shares, follows and feedback are always welcome. :)
Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

NVDA/Unresponsive Apps

Rob
 

Would it be possible to set it up so that, if an app stops responding, NVDA doesn't also stop?
Here's an example.
Note: this is not a definitive example, just the one that happened most recently prior to composing this message and is thus fresh in my mind.
I have drives in my computer that go to sleep when they aren't being accessed. If you try to access the drive, any program used to access them stalls until the drive wakes up, and NVDA stalls right along with it. The whole computer isn't stalled, just the foreground app and NVDA. I know this because I can alt tab out of the app and, for example, hit a key to start an audio file playing again. NVDA doesn't wake up again until the stalled app starts moving.
This is probably going to be another one of those situations where nobody else can pin it down, or: I can't duplicate this so you are on your own, but I thought I'd ask anyway.