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Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird
Justine <griff.js@...>
Thanks for all responses.
Perhaps I should clarify. The HTML emails are templates and I need to change name and price and details each time Want to send them to a new customer. They have worked fine until recently when they have become impossible to edit because NVDA reads the whole table from start to finish. I have tried NVDA and space bar to change to browse mode but that it is not possible now either. Although works fine with rest of Thunderbird. View message body is only an menu option in received emails and not ones I create from new or templates. In received emails it is set to original html Change to simple HTML and made no difference. When i want to edit my template I select the line I want to alter and silence, if I arrow down to the next line it will only start reading from the beginning of the table and won't stop till it reaches the end. If I interrupt it, by arrowing up or down it starts reading from the beginning all over again! Playing around, I have looked at the email in my sent folder and NVDA reads this one line at a time as it should. If I reply to this email and am right back where I started and reads the table from start to finish
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How to Retrieve Purchased Copies of NV Access Tutorials
David Goldfield
Hello. Several months ago, I purchased a copy of the NVDA with Microsoft Word tutorial from the NV Access shop. I have since downloaded the epub-formatted file and have used it with Voice Dream Reader on my iPhone. However, I wanted to download the Word version
to be used in MS Word on my Windows desktop and, even after logging into the shop from checkout, finding the downloadable version seems nearly impossible. I guess I'm wondering what the procedure is for redownloading an already purchased version of the tutorial
from the NV Access shop. Many thanks. --
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop
Chris Mullins
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I have never been in the situation where I needed to show someone at my end of the connection what is displayed on the remote computer. The sighted person is usually on the remote computer and we have a Skype call open so I can describe what I'm doing. As for the multi-user environment, I can't see how that would work as NVDA remote works by each side of the connection actively linking via a key either via a relay server or directly via IP addresses. I have never been able to successfuly link to a remote machine That is connected to the relay server and is on the log-in screen, log into a user account with NVDA set to auto-connect to the relay server using the same key. Mind you, that was version 1 of the Remote software, so I may try it again now it's on version 2. When I used to log into my work machine I used VPN client software, which worked very well. Cheers Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman Sent: 1 July 2017 16:32 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop Hi. There are a couple of reasons i don't like it. 1, no visual support. If i'm working and want to show something to a sighted person from the remote computer i can't 2, this is more of a question than a dislike i guess, Anyone know how this would handle a multi user environment on windows server? Could i log in remotely or would i have to get the login some other way? Thanks. On 7/1/2017 9:45 AM, Chris Mullins wrote: NVDA has a remote add-on which has been around a couple of years and is excellent. It is very easy to use and does not have any restrictions as to the operating systems of the remotely connected machine. The current version also supports Braille output.
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Re: Incorrect Keystroke in Excel Training
David Goldfield
I agree that it's certainly preferable and desirable that mistakes never find their way into product manuals or tutorials and that is the goal of anybody who writes documentation. However, it's inevitable that errors do creep in from time to time. If we
can let NV Access know they can certainly correct it and update the manual quickly. Compare that to the way we had to do things prior to electronic documentation when sheets were printed containing errors and what the corrections should be. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
On 7/1/2017 12:14 AM, Debbie April Yuille wrote:
Who put this training out? That's not very good if the mistake wasn't found by the trainer. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 2:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Incorrect Keystroke in Excel Training In section 3.7 "Adding Headers" an incorrect keystroke is given. The text states: To set the column containing row headers, move to the first cell that contains a row heading. Next, press NVDA+control+r. In the plant example, column A contains the name of the plant in each row. Setting this as the row headers means NVDA reads the name of each plant while navigating down the rows. This keystroke is incorrect. the paragraph should read: To set the column containing row headers, move to the first cell that contains a row heading. Next, press NVDA+shift+r. In the plant example, column A contains the name of the plant in each row. Setting this as the row headers means NVDA reads the name of each plant while navigating down the rows. The text should be corrected, or should have an erata page at leats, with this information.
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Re: how do get NVDAto tell your how many message you have in your folders in outlook
Gene
I don't think it tells you automatically. Try
reading the status line in the folders tree view while on a folder.
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Gene
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From: Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] how do get NVDAto tell your how many message you
have in your folders in outlook Hi when using NVDA how do you get it to when going threw your messages folders in outlook. Get it to tell you how many messages are in your inbox and deleted items folder and so on? Or can’t NVDA tell you that. I am using the latest full version that was released and windows seven home with outlook 2016.    Â
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how do get NVDAto tell your how many message you have in your folders in outlook
Casey <cwollner@...>
Hi when using NVDA how do you get it to when going threw your messages folders in outlook. Get it to tell you how many messages are in your inbox and deleted items folder and so on? Or can’t NVDA tell you that. I am using the latest full version that was released and windows seven home with outlook 2016.    Â
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Happy
Arlene
Hey list! Just want to wish all Canadians on this list. Happy Canada Day! We’re celebrating 150th birthday for Canada! Have a slice of your favorite pastery or cake. Drink your favorite drink. Such as coffee, tea or whatever it is you drink. Gene, you can do it too! Refering Gene the Mod!
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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop
Norman <lists@...>
Hi.
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There are a couple of reasons i don't like it. 1, no visual support. If i'm working and want to show something to a sighted person from the remote computer i can't 2, this is more of a question than a dislike i guess, Anyone know how this would handle a multi user environment on windows server? Could i log in remotely or would i have to get the login some other way? Thanks.
On 7/1/2017 9:45 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
NVDA has a remote add-on which has been around a couple of years and is excellent. It is very easy to use and does not have any restrictions as to the operating systems of the remotely connected machine. The current version also supports Braille output.
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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop
Chris Mullins
NVDA has a remote add-on which has been around a couple of years and is excellent. It is very easy to use and does not have any restrictions as to the operating systems of the remotely connected machine. The current version also supports Braille output.
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Cheers Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman Sent: 1 July 2017 14:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop Hi. As i understand it the home versions of windows don't allow connections to be made to them. You can use a home computer to connect to any computer but you can't connect to a home computer. "Ralf Kefferpuetz" said Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer. Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well. This works reasonably well as long as you have good connections on both ends. However, if the connection slows down you can get a lot of delay from when you press a key and when the computer responds. I still want a deticated remote desktop addon like jaws has because that works even better than the setup discussed above. There was a project for something like this about 2 or 3 years ago but it seems to be abandoned. "Kevin Huber" said. If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home computer has focus. What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home computer relinquish control of my keyboard? This is a setting in rdp options. Before you connect you will have to go to the settings. To do that go to connect. When it asks you to choose a computer do so and hit tab until you here show options. Press space to activate. Go to the local resources tab and set as desired. HTH. On 7/1/2017 9:04 AM, Chris Mullins wrote: It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.
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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop
Norman <lists@...>
Hi.
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As i understand it the home versions of windows don't allow connections to be made to them. You can use a home computer to connect to any computer but you can't connect to a home computer. "Ralf Kefferpuetz" said Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer. Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well. This works reasonably well as long as you have good connections on both ends. However, if the connection slows down you can get a lot of delay from when you press a key and when the computer responds. I still want a deticated remote desktop addon like jaws has because that works even better than the setup discussed above. There was a project for something like this about 2 or 3 years ago but it seems to be abandoned. "Kevin Huber" said. If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home computer has focus. What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home computer relinquish control of my keyboard? This is a setting in rdp options. Before you connect you will have to go to the settings. To do that go to connect. When it asks you to choose a computer do so and hit tab until you here show options. Press space to activate. Go to the local resources tab and set as desired. HTH.
On 7/1/2017 9:04 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.
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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop
Chris Mullins
It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 1 July 2017 12:00 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop Well is this in all flavours of windows in use at the moment or just 10. Last time I tried it it failed on 7, but somebody else said it was very laggy. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop Hi Brian, Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer. Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well. You can switch between the remote desktop and your own desktop by pressing control-alt-pause and also the clipboard is being transferred between local and remote computer. Cheers, Ralf -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 10:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve. I was under the impression that remote desktop cannot be used with screenreaders as the accessibility informatio is not sent down the line, just the graphics of the other computers screen, which is why nvda remote add on was designed. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop Hi:
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Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird
Well this reminds me of some family stuff I am involved in.
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It involved getting messages with information in it in pdf. I didn't have pdf support on the ipad but its linked to a pc so I got adobe reader. The documents wouldn't open, so I looked at it myself. Whoever sent the stuff should have got their heads shot off. Unless you had an office suite on your phone or your system supposing an average person would have it, basically several old style word documents and excell files, 2 pdfs and 1 new word document. Jarte handled the documents, and adobe reader handled the pdfs. I had to get into another system with win10, and office, loaded a graphical xl file and after it almost crashed print the thing off. So this does go to show if anything else people may not think I had the same issue with a router and support on an isp I used to be with and a bit of old info. I have come to the conclusion people don't just check, I swear we are all becoming drones.
On 1/07/2017 11:14 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I had this issue in another email platform with mail newsletters generated by my local thetre and Londoncouncils, both I think used mail Chimp or something. This made all the graphics links have no text or instead have a several line long pointless unhelpful tag.
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Re: Important announcement: say goodbye to NVDA Add-ons list on Freelists
Well its only going to get worse with the recent ransomware outbreak.
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This shows 1 that people are still not all updated and. 2. that people are still clicking links in the spam emails. and 3. even the security guys tools can get stolen by robbers and used against them. So expect more security a lot more on the serverside. I had 5 emails classified as spam today on google and that is unusual. They were all spam but usually I only get 1 a month or maybe more but some of them are fine and I allow them through. I have had the odd spam show up in my regular inbox but it hardly happens.
On 1/07/2017 11:04 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes well all list servers seem to be struggling at the moment. Whether this isdue to isps using more stringent black listing or not I am not sure but its very hit and miss.
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Re: Queueing of notification announcements
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
With a sound not a voice, so you normally get a sound when download is complete from the email program, and all it would need is for some kind of toggle to be on the live speech when a say all is in progress.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:45 AM Subject: [nvda] Queueing of notification announcements This is a minor thought, but, for example, if while doing a read all on the contents of a mail that have opened up in thunderbird, it may still be downloading mails in the background, and will then interrupt speech to announce that I have received new mails.
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Re: displaying braille problem
#addonrelease
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Is this not the implementation of UEB though? I never liked the idea of forcing all the caps signs onto all but it seems that the purists feel its how it should be, goodness knows what it does on 8 dot displays. I don't use them , too costly!
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Haipeng Hu" <hhpcomposer@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:10 AM Subject: [nvda] displaying braille problem #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelease #winten1607 Hello, I just found a problem with NVDA and the braille tables. I use FreedomScientific Pac Mate display, and a friend of me uses a display from Taiwan. We all have problems with reading .brf files, where all codes from A to Z are capital letters, and are displayed with dot 7. We tried the 6-dot tables, but in vain. All such things still display as 8-dot. Jaws also has this problem with Louis, but it has an option to turn 8-dot braille off. Could someone please tell me whether I can toggle 8 and 6 dots in NVDA? Or must I manually replace all capital letters to lowercased ones? Regards Haipeng
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Re: Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I don't like the next snaps sounds myself but I am only one person. See my previous reply.
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See what you think of these tweaked ones. https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1 Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch Hi, Bhavya.
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Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I had this issue in another email platform with mail newsletters generated by my local thetre and Londoncouncils, both I think used mail Chimp or something. This made all the graphics links have no text or instead have a several line long pointless unhelpful tag.
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If you complain at these people you get the sort of reply. I have no idea how this stuff works we just port it over from a pdf file. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird Make sure you have thunderbird set to show simple html, this will
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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Oh gawd, whyever not. What a silly restriction.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Jonathan Milam" <milamj@wfu.edu> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop Yes that's correct.
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Re: Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I raised this as well. also a person who was hard of hearing said there was not enough lf in the sound for focus mode and it was quiet. also the start and end sounds need to be a little longer as it is hard to decide if they are rising and falling with such a short sound.
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I did put up some alternatives derived from the new sounds but nobody in authority commented or has changed them. Perhaps you could make a new issue about it and I'll add my thoughts as well? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@outlook.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 5:15 PM Subject: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.
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Re: how do I download messages from the imap server?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Google is a bit of an odd ball though. I've not the foggiest how, for example one might do the same on bt or virgi webmail to get imap to work how you want it to. I can recall that simply copying stuff to the spam folder on google would in effect make sure all stuff like that went to spam.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I download messages from the imap server? I'll say it again, it's best to set up message filtering for IMAP on your IMAP server side, regardless of the provider. It's a part of the protocol and it's on the server side so that the filtering you do and the folders you create are automatically propagated across all devices you might ever use to access your e-mail. It saves you having to do this work again when you get a new computer, for instance, because it's all done on the server side. For Gmail I wrote the following instructions a while back: Creating IMAP Labels (Folders) and Filters for Gmail ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOc0lacHNEa1NkaEk ) -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) * * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.* * ~ * *Niels Bohr*
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