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Re: displaying braille problem #addonrelease

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

heh, I meant before the year 2000, not 20000. *grin*.

On 7/1/2017 9:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
When braille is displayed in a text file (load your favorite braille file into notepad or something similar), you'll see that all the letters are capitol. This is the way computer braille is handled, and there's nothing you can do about it. This is also why the braille displays turn on those extra dots to show the capitalization. I don't know why this is the standard, but it has been for several years, (at least since before the year 20000), and I don't expect it to change anytime soon.


On 7/1/2017 7:22 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Is this not the implementation of UEB though? I never liked the idea of forcing all the caps signs onto all but it seems that the purists feel its how it should be, goodness knows what it does on 8 dot displays. I don't use them , too costly!

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Haipeng Hu" <hhpcomposer@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] displaying braille problem #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelease #winten1607


Hello,
I just found a problem with NVDA and the braille tables. I use FreedomScientific Pac Mate display, and a friend of me uses a display from Taiwan. We all have problems with reading .brf files, where all codes from A to Z are capital letters, and are displayed with dot 7. We tried the 6-dot tables, but in vain. All such things still display as 8-dot. Jaws also has this problem with Louis, but it has an option to turn 8-dot braille off. Could someone please tell me whether I can toggle 8 and 6 dots in NVDA? Or must I manually replace all capital letters to lowercased ones?

Regards
Haipeng








Re: displaying braille problem #addonrelease

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

When braille is displayed in a text file (load your favorite braille file into notepad or something similar), you'll see that all the letters are capitol. This is the way computer braille is handled, and there's nothing you can do about it. This is also why the braille displays turn on those extra dots to show the capitalization. I don't know why this is the standard, but it has been for several years, (at least since before the year 20000), and I don't expect it to change anytime soon.

On 7/1/2017 7:22 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Is this not the implementation of UEB though? I never liked the idea of forcing all the caps signs onto all but it seems that the purists feel its how it should be, goodness knows what it does on 8 dot displays. I don't use them , too costly!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Haipeng Hu" <hhpcomposer@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] displaying braille problem #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelease #winten1607


Hello,
I just found a problem with NVDA and the braille tables. I use FreedomScientific Pac Mate display, and a friend of me uses a display from Taiwan. We all have problems with reading .brf files, where all codes from A to Z are capital letters, and are displayed with dot 7. We tried the 6-dot tables, but in vain. All such things still display as 8-dot. Jaws also has this problem with Louis, but it has an option to turn 8-dot braille off. Could someone please tell me whether I can toggle 8 and 6 dots in NVDA? Or must I manually replace all capital letters to lowercased ones?

Regards
Haipeng




can't fix a rule error in outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm having everything go to the inbox from now on. I tried to move the messages from the NVDA folder to the inbox but when I tried to move them outlook wouldn't let me. I got a message saying "rule error". How do I fix this?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

Roger Stewart
 

I have disabled table reading mode in Thunderbird and that has fixed many problems for me.  Try this, and be sure to make a configuration specific to Thunderbird before you do this or else table mode will be disabled globally.

Roger








On 7/1/2017 6:01 PM, chris miles wrote:
On 30/06/2017 11:23, Justine wrote:
Hi
I can no longer get NVDA to read my HTML emails in Thunderbird one line at a time. This means it is impossible for me to edit parts of the email. It will only read the email from start to finish.  It is a HTML table with several rows. It won't even read one character at a time, only the whole table.
May be a very simple answer but I am not a tech genius and cannot find an answer in the user guide. As I am running a business from home this issue is causing great frustration. Worked perfectly fine in the past and fine in plain text emails.
Not sure if issues started with latest update of NVDA as have auto update on, same with Thunderbird, so all current versions installed. Using desktop with Windows 10.
Or it may have changed as every so often NVDA crashes and resets to factory defaults. And will not re install my saved profile as well for some reason and as so many preferences I cannot remember them all! So perhaps just needs the right option ticked in settings.  But which one?
Please help, thanks
Justine

Hi,


I had a similar issue.


I changed the display size of my laptop to 1020 x 760 and now find that NVDA reads the e-mails in TB as soon as I press F6 on the level required.


Press F for next message

B to go back a message

Press N to go to the next level when the message is in a thread.


I hope this may assist you?



Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

chris miles
 

On 30/06/2017 11:23, Justine wrote:
Hi
I can no longer get NVDA to read my HTML emails in Thunderbird one line at a time. This means it is impossible for me to edit parts of the email. It will only read the email from start to finish.  It is a HTML table with several rows. It won't even read one character at a time, only the whole table.
May be a very simple answer but I am not a tech genius and cannot find an answer in the user guide. As I am running a business from home this issue is causing great frustration. Worked perfectly fine in the past and fine in plain text emails.
Not sure if issues started with latest update of NVDA as have auto update on, same with Thunderbird, so all current versions installed. Using desktop with Windows 10.
Or it may have changed as every so often NVDA crashes and resets to factory defaults. And will not re install my saved profile as well for some reason and as so many preferences I cannot remember them all! So perhaps just needs the right option ticked in settings.  But which one?
Please help, thanks
Justine

Hi,


I had a similar issue.


I changed the display size of my laptop to 1020 x 760 and now find that NVDA reads the e-mails in TB as soon as I press F6 on the level required.


Press F for next message

B to go back a message

Press N to go to the next level when the message is in a thread.


I hope this may assist you?


Re: Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

I think it would be easier to hear if the sounds werent downsamplled to 22KHz. I have it on good authority they were created at 44.1KHz.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
I don't like the next snaps sounds myself but I am only one person. See my previous reply.
See what you think of these tweaked ones.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thoughts About New Earcons in Test Branch


Hi, Bhavya.

Thanks for the link to your blog, which is quite good, by the way. Yes, I'm familiar with substituting the default wav files for ones which might be preferable. I may do that but was just wondering what people felt about the existing earcons being used in the test branch.

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On 6/30/2017 1:09 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi David,
Not sure about the Sounds Applet in Windows, but customization of NVDA
sounds is certainly possible, although in a slightly hacky and
unofficial (but not unethical or illegal) way. Check out the third
trick which deals with this very task of my recent blog post 'Top 5
NVDA Tips and Tricks You Need To Know' located at
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/top-5-nvda-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-know/
Thanks.

On 6/30/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...><mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:


Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have just resubscribed
to this list and have been off of it for quite some time.

I had mixed feelings about the new earcons which I noticed in a recent
version in the "next" branch. While I generally like them I think that the
sound going from focus mode back to browse mode is almost too quiet and I
wonder if they should be a tad louder or slightly more pronounced.

I'm also wondering if consideration was ever given to the idea of allowing
users to change the sounds in the sounds applet in Windows itself, just as
you now can with programs like speech recognition and the Window-Eyes screen
reader.


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Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

Gene
 

Did this problem start after a specific event?  If it started immediately after you updated NVDA, try the previous version.  If it started immediately after updating Thunderbird, go back to the previous version.  If you believe it started after updates but you don't know what update caused the problem, then go back to the previous versions of both programs. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Justine
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

Thanks for all responses.
Perhaps I should clarify. The HTML emails are templates and I need to change name and price and details each time Want to send them to a new customer. They have worked fine until recently when they have become impossible to edit because NVDA reads the whole table from start to finish.
I have tried NVDA and space bar to change to browse mode but that it is not possible now either. Although works fine with rest of Thunderbird.
View message body is only an menu option in received emails and not ones I create from new or templates. In received emails it is set to original html Change to simple HTML and made no difference.
When i want to edit my template I select the line I want to alter and silence, if I arrow down to the next line it will only start reading from the beginning of the table and won't stop till it reaches the end. If I interrupt it, by arrowing up or down it starts reading from the beginning all over again!
Playing around, I have looked at the email in my sent folder and NVDA reads this one line at a time as it should.
If I reply to this email and am right back where I started and reads the table from start to finish


Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

Justine <griff.js@...>
 

Thanks for all responses.
Perhaps I should clarify. The HTML emails are templates and I need to change name and price and details each time Want to send them to a new customer. They have worked fine until recently when they have become impossible to edit because NVDA reads the whole table from start to finish.
I have tried NVDA and space bar to change to browse mode but that it is not possible now either. Although works fine with rest of Thunderbird.
View message body is only an menu option in received emails and not ones I create from new or templates. In received emails it is set to original html Change to simple HTML and made no difference.
When i want to edit my template I select the line I want to alter and silence, if I arrow down to the next line it will only start reading from the beginning of the table and won't stop till it reaches the end. If I interrupt it, by arrowing up or down it starts reading from the beginning all over again!
Playing around, I have looked at the email in my sent folder and NVDA reads this one line at a time as it should.
If I reply to this email and am right back where I started and reads the table from start to finish.
Someone suggested it may be the HTML code but it worked perfectly for the last year until recently!


Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

Justine <griff.js@...>
 

Thanks for all responses.
Perhaps I should clarify. The HTML emails are templates and I need to change name and price and details each time Want to send them to a new customer. They have worked fine until recently when they have become impossible to edit because NVDA reads the whole table from start to finish.
I have tried NVDA and space bar to change to browse mode but that it is not possible now either. Although works fine with rest of Thunderbird.
View message body is only an menu option in received emails and not ones I create from new or templates. In received emails it is set to original html Change to simple HTML and made no difference.
When i want to edit my template I select the line I want to alter and silence, if I arrow down to the next line it will only start reading from the beginning of the table and won't stop till it reaches the end. If I interrupt it, by arrowing up or down it starts reading from the beginning all over again!
Playing around, I have looked at the email in my sent folder and NVDA reads this one line at a time as it should.
If I reply to this email and am right back where I started and reads the table from start to finish


How to Retrieve Purchased Copies of NV Access Tutorials

David Goldfield
 

Hello.

Several months ago, I purchased a copy of the NVDA with Microsoft Word tutorial from the NV Access shop. I have since downloaded the epub-formatted file and have used it with Voice Dream Reader on my iPhone. However, I wanted to download the Word version to be used in MS Word on my Windows desktop and, even after logging into the shop from checkout, finding the downloadable version seems nearly impossible. I guess I'm wondering what the procedure is for redownloading an already purchased version of the tutorial from the NV Access shop. Many thanks.

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Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
I have never been in the situation where I needed to show someone at my end of the connection what is displayed on the remote computer. The sighted person is usually on the remote computer and we have a Skype call open so I can describe what I'm doing.

As for the multi-user environment, I can't see how that would work as NVDA remote works by each side of the connection actively linking via a key either via a relay server or directly via IP addresses. I have never been able to successfuly link to a remote machine That is connected to the relay server and is on the log-in screen, log into a user account with NVDA set to auto-connect to the relay server using the same key. Mind you, that was version 1 of the Remote software, so I may try it again now it's on version 2. When I used to log into my work machine I used VPN client software, which worked very well.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: 1 July 2017 16:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Hi.

There are a couple of reasons i don't like it.

1, no visual support. If i'm working and want to show something to a sighted person from the remote computer i can't

2, this is more of a question than a dislike i guess, Anyone know how this would handle a multi user environment on windows server? Could i log in remotely or would i have to get the login some other way?


Thanks.




On 7/1/2017 9:45 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
NVDA has a remote add-on which has been around a couple of years and is excellent. It is very easy to use and does not have any restrictions as to the operating systems of the remotely connected machine. The current version also supports Braille output.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Norman
Sent: 1 July 2017 14:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Hi.

As i understand it the home versions of windows don't allow connections to be made to them. You can use a home computer to connect to any computer but you can't connect to a home computer.


"Ralf Kefferpuetz" said

Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well.


This works reasonably well as long as you have good connections on both ends. However, if the connection slows down you can get a lot of delay from when you press a key and when the computer responds. I still want a deticated remote desktop addon like jaws has because that works even better than the setup discussed above. There was a project for something like this about 2 or 3 years ago but it seems to be abandoned.


"Kevin Huber" said.


If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home computer relinquish control of my keyboard?


This is a setting in rdp options. Before you connect you will have to go to the settings. To do that go to connect. When it asks you to choose a computer do so and hit tab until you here show options. Press space to activate. Go to the local resources tab and set as desired.



HTH.









On 7/1/2017 9:04 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 1 July 2017 12:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Well is this in all flavours of windows in use at the moment or just 10.
Last time I tried it it failed on 7, but somebody else said it was very laggy.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi Brian,
Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just
needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the
remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows
remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well.
You can switch between the remote desktop and your own desktop by
pressing control-alt-pause and also the clipboard is being
transferred between local and remote computer.

Cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 10:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve. I was under the
impression that remote desktop cannot be used with screenreaders as
the accessibility informatio is not sent down the line, just the
graphics of the other computers screen, which is why nvda remote add on was designed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi:

I have a copy of NVDA here on my home computer and a copy of NVDA on
my office computer.

If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop,
the copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but
when I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I
press insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer,
the the NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am
in Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my
home computer responds by reading the title of the window where my
home computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home
computer relinquish control of my keyboard?
Kevin Huber

















Re: Incorrect Keystroke in Excel Training

David Goldfield
 

I agree that it's certainly preferable and desirable that mistakes never find their way into product manuals or tutorials and that is the goal of anybody who writes documentation. However, it's inevitable that errors do creep in from time to time. If we can let NV Access know they can certainly correct it and update the manual quickly. Compare that to the way we had to do things prior to electronic documentation when sheets were printed containing errors and what the corrections should be.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 7/1/2017 12:14 AM, Debbie April Yuille wrote:
Who put this training out? That's  not very good if the mistake wasn't found
by the trainer.

Debbie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incorrect Keystroke in Excel Training

In section 3.7
"Adding Headers"
an incorrect keystroke is given.
The text states:

To set the column containing row headers, move to the first cell that
contains a row heading. Next, press NVDA+control+r. In the plant example,
column A contains the name of the plant in each row. Setting this as the row
headers means NVDA reads the name of each plant while navigating down the
rows.

This keystroke is incorrect. the paragraph should read:

To set the column containing row headers, move to the first cell that
contains a row heading. Next, press NVDA+shift+r. In the plant example,
column A contains the name of the plant in each row. Setting this as the row
headers means NVDA reads the name of each plant while navigating down the
rows.

The text should be corrected, or should have an erata page at leats, with
this information.








Re: how do get NVDAto tell your how many message you have in your folders in outlook

Gene
 

I don't think it tells you automatically.  Try reading the status line in the folders tree view while on a folder.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] how do get NVDAto tell your how many message you have in your folders in outlook

Hi when using NVDA how do you get it to when going threw your messages folders in outlook.

Get it to tell you how many messages are in your inbox and deleted items folder and so on?

Or can’t NVDA tell you that.

I am using the latest full version that was released and windows seven home with outlook 2016.

 

 

 

 


how do get NVDAto tell your how many message you have in your folders in outlook

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi when using NVDA how do you get it to when going threw your messages folders in outlook.

Get it to tell you how many messages are in your inbox and deleted items folder and so on?

Or can’t NVDA tell you that.

I am using the latest full version that was released and windows seven home with outlook 2016.

 

 

 

 


Happy

Arlene
 

Hey list! Just want to wish all Canadians on this list. Happy Canada Day! We’re celebrating 150th birthday for Canada! Have a slice of your favorite pastery or cake. Drink your favorite drink. Such as coffee, tea or whatever it is you drink.  Gene, you can do it too! Refering Gene the Mod!


Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

There are a couple of reasons i don't like it.

1, no visual support. If i'm working and want to show something to a sighted person from the remote computer i can't

2, this is more of a question than a dislike i guess, Anyone know how this would handle a multi user environment on windows server? Could i log in remotely or would i have to get the login some other way?


Thanks.

On 7/1/2017 9:45 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
NVDA has a remote add-on which has been around a couple of years and is excellent. It is very easy to use and does not have any restrictions as to the operating systems of the remotely connected machine. The current version also supports Braille output.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: 1 July 2017 14:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Hi.

As i understand it the home versions of windows don't allow connections to be made to them. You can use a home computer to connect to any computer but you can't connect to a home computer.


"Ralf Kefferpuetz" said

Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well.


This works reasonably well as long as you have good connections on both ends. However, if the connection slows down you can get a lot of delay from when you press a key and when the computer responds. I still want a deticated remote desktop addon like jaws has because that works even better than the setup discussed above. There was a project for something like this about 2 or 3 years ago but it seems to be abandoned.


"Kevin Huber" said.


If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home computer relinquish control of my keyboard?


This is a setting in rdp options. Before you connect you will have to go to the settings. To do that go to connect. When it asks you to choose a computer do so and hit tab until you here show options. Press space to activate. Go to the local resources tab and set as desired.



HTH.









On 7/1/2017 9:04 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.

Cheers
Chris

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Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 1 July 2017 12:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Well is this in all flavours of windows in use at the moment or just 10.
Last time I tried it it failed on 7, but somebody else said it was very laggy.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi Brian,
Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs
a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote
system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows
remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well.
You can switch between the remote desktop and your own desktop by
pressing control-alt-pause and also the clipboard is being transferred
between local and remote computer.

Cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 10:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve. I was under the
impression that remote desktop cannot be used with screenreaders as
the accessibility informatio is not sent down the line, just the
graphics of the other computers screen, which is why nvda remote add on was designed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi:

I have a copy of NVDA here on my home computer and a copy of NVDA on
my office computer.

If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the
copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when
I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press
insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the
NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in
Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home
computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home
computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home
computer relinquish control of my keyboard?
Kevin Huber
















Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop

Chris Mullins
 

NVDA has a remote add-on which has been around a couple of years and is excellent. It is very easy to use and does not have any restrictions as to the operating systems of the remotely connected machine. The current version also supports Braille output.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: 1 July 2017 14:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Hi.

As i understand it the home versions of windows don't allow connections to be made to them. You can use a home computer to connect to any computer but you can't connect to a home computer.


"Ralf Kefferpuetz" said

Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well.


This works reasonably well as long as you have good connections on both ends. However, if the connection slows down you can get a lot of delay from when you press a key and when the computer responds. I still want a deticated remote desktop addon like jaws has because that works even better than the setup discussed above. There was a project for something like this about 2 or 3 years ago but it seems to be abandoned.


"Kevin Huber" said.


If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home computer relinquish control of my keyboard?


This is a setting in rdp options. Before you connect you will have to go to the settings. To do that go to connect. When it asks you to choose a computer do so and hit tab until you here show options. Press space to activate. Go to the local resources tab and set as desired.



HTH.









On 7/1/2017 9:04 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 1 July 2017 12:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Well is this in all flavours of windows in use at the moment or just 10.
Last time I tried it it failed on 7, but somebody else said it was very laggy.
Brian

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From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi Brian,
Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs
a NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote
system via remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows
remote desktop deals with sound redirection as well.
You can switch between the remote desktop and your own desktop by
pressing control-alt-pause and also the clipboard is being transferred
between local and remote computer.

Cheers,
Ralf
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Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 10:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve. I was under the
impression that remote desktop cannot be used with screenreaders as
the accessibility informatio is not sent down the line, just the
graphics of the other computers screen, which is why nvda remote add on was designed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi:

I have a copy of NVDA here on my home computer and a copy of NVDA on
my office computer.

If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the
copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when
I press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press
insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the
NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in
Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home
computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home
computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home
computer relinquish control of my keyboard?
Kevin Huber














Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

As i understand it the home versions of windows don't allow connections to be made to them. You can use a home computer to connect to any computer but you can't connect to a home computer.


"Ralf Kefferpuetz" said

Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a
NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via
remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote
desktop deals with sound redirection as well.


This works reasonably well as long as you have good connections on both ends. However, if the connection slows down you can get a lot of delay from when you press a key and when the computer responds. I still want a deticated remote desktop addon like jaws has because that works even better than the setup discussed above. There was a project for something like this about 2 or 3 years ago but it seems to be abandoned.


"Kevin Huber" said.


If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the
copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I
press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press
insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the
NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in
Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home
computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home
computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home
computer relinquish control of my keyboard?


This is a setting in rdp options. Before you connect you will have to go to the settings. To do that go to connect. When it asks you to choose a computer do so and hit tab until you here show options. Press space to activate. Go to the local resources tab and set as desired.



HTH.

On 7/1/2017 9:04 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 1 July 2017 12:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Well is this in all flavours of windows in use at the moment or just 10.
Last time I tried it it failed on 7, but somebody else said it was very laggy.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi Brian,
Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a
NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via
remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote
desktop deals with sound redirection as well.
You can switch between the remote desktop and your own desktop by pressing
control-alt-pause and also the clipboard is being transferred between local
and remote computer.

Cheers,
Ralf
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 10:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve. I was under the
impression that remote desktop cannot be used with screenreaders as the
accessibility informatio is not sent down the line, just the graphics of the
other computers screen, which is why nvda remote add on was designed.
Brian

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From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi:

I have a copy of NVDA here on my home computer and a copy of NVDA on
my office computer.

If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the
copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I
press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press
insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the
NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in
Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home
computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home
computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home
computer relinquish control of my keyboard?
Kevin Huber













Re: NVDA and Remote Desktop

Chris Mullins
 

It's in all flavours in one form or another. I just managed to remotely connect to an old XP laptop using my Windows 10 home machine. The sound isn't very good but it's usable. Not as good as connecting via the NVDA remote add-on though.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 1 July 2017 12:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

Well is this in all flavours of windows in use at the moment or just 10.
Last time I tried it it failed on 7, but somebody else said it was very laggy.
Brian

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From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi Brian,
Windows Remote Desktop connection works great with NVDA. It just needs a
NVDA copy installed on the remote computer. I log into the remote system via
remote desktop, hit control-alt-n and then I can manage the remote computer.
Windows remote desktop sends the sound back to me, since windows remote
desktop deals with sound redirection as well.
You can switch between the remote desktop and your own desktop by pressing
control-alt-pause and also the clipboard is being transferred between local
and remote computer.

Cheers,
Ralf
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Sent: Freitag, 30. Juni 2017 10:01
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve. I was under the
impression that remote desktop cannot be used with screenreaders as the
accessibility informatio is not sent down the line, just the graphics of the
other computers screen, which is why nvda remote add on was designed.
Brian

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From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Remote Desktop


Hi:

I have a copy of NVDA here on my home computer and a copy of NVDA on
my office computer.

If I access my office computer from my PC through Remote Desktop, the
copy of NVDA on my Office computer reads as I expect it to, but when I
press insert-t to here the title of the windo, or when I press
insert-q to shut down the copy of NVDA on my office computer, the the
NVDA on my home compyuter responds, for instance, when I am in
Microsoft Word on my office computer, and I press insert-t, my home
computer responds by reading the title of the window where my home
computer has focus.
What can I do to stop this behaviour and make the NVDA on myy home
computer relinquish control of my keyboard?
Kevin Huber



Re: Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird

 

Well this reminds me of some family stuff I am involved in.

It involved getting messages with information in it in pdf.

I didn't have pdf support on the ipad but its linked to a pc so I got adobe reader.

The documents wouldn't open, so I looked at it myself.

Whoever sent the stuff should have got their heads shot off.

Unless you had an office suite on your phone or your system supposing an average person would have it, basically several old style word documents and excell files, 2 pdfs and 1 new word document.

Jarte handled the documents, and adobe reader handled the pdfs.

I had to get into another system with win10, and office, loaded a graphical xl file and after it almost crashed print the thing off.

So this does go to show if anything else people may not think I had the same issue with a router and support on an isp I used to be with and a bit of old info.

I have come to the conclusion people don't just check, I swear we are all becoming drones.

On 1/07/2017 11:14 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I had this issue in another email platform with mail newsletters generated by my local thetre and Londoncouncils, both I think used mail Chimp or something. This made all the graphics links have no text or instead have a several line long pointless unhelpful tag.
If you complain at these people you get the sort of reply. I have no idea how this stuff works we just port it over from a pdf file.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue reading HTML email in Thunderbird


Make sure you have thunderbird set to show simple html, this will
prevent several issues with spammers, but will also allow NVDA to read
things a bit better.

With the full blown html, there are things that NVDA doesn't handle
well, though it's rarely NVDA's fault, it's the html code that folks
haven't a clue how to writ themselves, so they use programs to generate
it for them, and some programs don't do a very good job of generating
html code that is standards compliant.
This may not solve your problem entirely, but it probably will help.

On 6/30/2017 6:23 AM, Justine wrote:
Hi
I can no longer get NVDA to read my HTML emails in Thunderbird one
line at a time. This means it is impossible for me to edit parts of
the email. It will only read the email from start to finish. It is a
HTML table with several rows. It won't even read one character at a
time, only the whole table.
May be a very simple answer but I am not a tech genius and cannot find
an answer in the user guide. As I am running a business from home this
issue is causing great frustration. Worked perfectly fine in the past
and fine in plain text emails.
Not sure if issues started with latest update of NVDA as have auto
update on, same with Thunderbird, so all current versions installed.
Using desktop with Windows 10.
Or it may have changed as every so often NVDA crashes and resets to
factory defaults. And will not re install my saved profile as well for
some reason and as so many preferences I cannot remember them all! So
perhaps just needs the right option ticked in settings. But which one?
Please help, thanks
Justine